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The Good:
Special teams were good.
Wynn and Moore can get the edge.
Darkwa has instincts and burst.
The Mixed:
Jackson and Unga have juice but no clue what they are doing.
O2 flashed at times.
The Bad:
The O-line was a disaster. How Jerry is still in the league is a mystery to me.
Kuhn stinks. Pad level is awful. Gets no push. Ever. Plays like he is on skates. For the life of me I don't know what the coaching staff sees in this guy. Start Bromley or Ellis.
Only the first preseason game but there is plenty of work to do. If they are going to rely on McBride to play an important role they are in trouble. He has no durability. When Nassib is the toughest Giants on the field you have a problem.
hoping that the injuries aren't as bad as 1st appeared...Thompson appears done, which is unfortunate, but am hoping Collins injury isn't serious, and hopeful that Hosely concussion isn't bad.
The Giants have some talent on this team. They have a lot of new players; this is a new team and perhaps through injuries some of these guys will get opportunities.
The Giants did not turn the ball over.
The Giants 1st and 2nd team o-line did not allow a sack.
Darkwa and Wade had strong games.
Special Teams/coverage teams were solid.
bad, even acknowledging that it was just one game.
The OL looks overmatched, and has no continuity.
The simple truth is that there is no RT on this team. Newhouse is not the answer. Mosley can't beat him out. I assume that's why the Giants were playing Hart at RT during practice and tonight, even though Reese said after he was drafted that they wanted to move him to guard.
The RG situation is just as bad, unless Schwartz can suddenly get healthy. Jerry is not the answer.
Newhouse, Mosley, Jerry, Herman, Cleary, and Gettis offer nothing. Bamiro and Donnelly are too inexperienced. But some of these players will not only make the final 53, they'll be starting. Hart should make the final 53.
This is a real indictment of Reese, especially given all the first and second round picks and FA money he's used and spent on the OL the last few years. The entire right side of the OL is unknown. The team also has no depth.
Nothing from Kuhn or Robinson. Go with Hankins and Ellis, and keep Cunningham.
Injury bug decimates the safety position. Thompson and Berhe likely headed for IR.
Coughlin says he thinks they will have more chances to do things down the field in the coming weeks than they did tonight. I certainly hope so. Gotta protect Eli though
Hunt really looks like the 2nd coming of Dave Meggett. He looks like he might end up being that quick hitter/matchup problem that the Giants haven't really had since Meggett.
RE: Schwartz needs to nut up because we desperately need him
increased my fears about the right side of the OL. Hopefully Schwartz can get healthy. I liked what I saw out of Mosley much more than Newhouse. Newhouse just looks like a drive and QB killer.
I agree with those who think Kuhn is getting reps with the 1st team to answer once and for all if he has what it takes. Thus far, the answer is no.
Hopefully Collins is just banged up a little and will benefit from some rest. The safety position is not deep enough to handle losing him.
I liked what I saw of Wade, but not much else in the secondary left me feeling confident in anyone beyond Prince and DRC.
I think Jerry needs to open the Mara's wallet and bring in some more OL and DB depth. I'm not one to overreact to a preseason loss, much less the first game, but the less time spent figuring out the OL the better. This offense needs to be settled so it can gel and carry this team, because the defense will be a work in progress until the young players mature.
are going to get pressure with four or five, and drop everyone back into coverage. That will make it very difficult to throw, especially deep. Play action won't be effective. Most blitzes will also be successful, especially against an immobile QB like Eli. At least we're playing in a system that gets the ball out quickly.
IMO the LBs were incredibly bad . I'm sure I'm wrong but I don't remember a LB making one tackle tonight.bengals backs ran outside with ease, with the DBs making first contact.
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Coughlin said there's "big concern" that Mykkele Thompson has indeed ruptured his Achilles.
thats a tough injury, but he can come back from it. It will probably 6 months before he can really go out and run, and probably 3-6 months after that before he could be cleared for contact. Next years camp is a possibility.
Hunt really looks like the 2nd coming of Dave Meggett. He looks like he might end up being that quick hitter/matchup problem that the Giants haven't really had since Meggett.
Hunt went a long way to making the team tonight. Just don't fumble, kid. Or you're back to square one
IMO the LBs were incredibly bad . I'm sure I'm wrong but I don't remember a LB making one tackle tonight.bengals backs ran outside with ease, with the DBs making first contact.
Hunt really looks like the 2nd coming of Dave Meggett. He looks like he might end up being that quick hitter/matchup problem that the Giants haven't really had since Meggett.
Hunt went a long way to making the team tonight. Just don't fumble, kid. Or you're back to square one
I thought he played very well, but he is up against Darkwa, who also played very well. If only Hunt was a DB instead of a RB, he'd probably make the team.
Hunt really looks like the 2nd coming of Dave Meggett. He looks like he might end up being that quick hitter/matchup problem that the Giants haven't really had since Meggett.
We have too many RBs and WRs but not enough linemen...no RT and a very weak RG
And more injuries. So sick of this shit. And if the OL sucks ass this year I'm finally ok with letting JR and TC go. I've been their biggest defenders but if you can't coach up your OL as a coach or find superb talent as a GM after 4 seasons then it's time to go.
Well reading through this thread just saved me 3 hours
in terms of addressing the OL, and now we are paying a heavy price for it.
By the way, we could have gotten two OL starters from last year's draft, but we went with Bromley in the 3rd over guys like Trai Turner. Passed over guys who will be starting guards for the next 7-10 years in this league. Yay?
Rotted, whatever you want to call it. This team is years away from hoping to contend. No OL, no OL depth, no TE, no TE depth, no DTs no DT depth, ditto for DE, LB, S, CB.
We have Odell, Hankins, Pugh, Richburg, Eli that we can definitely count on, beyond that?????.....not a hell of a lot. Yes yes it's preseason, but we weren't remotely competitive again. The Bengals are a much more talented and much deeper team top to bottom. Welcome to another top 10 pick Mr. Mara, Reese and Nice Guy Coughlin. Maybe it's time for old Tommy C to come back and kick some asses at practice. Something has to change, this team is still gutless.
I was right last year assface, and you were wrong. Let's see how it plays out this year. I'm guessing that your inability to do anything other than play bitch and take pot shots will once again show how wrong you are and how right I am...again. I know this game and I know this team and I know talent and we don't have it. Didn't have it last year and your big fucking mouth disagreed with me. We went 6-10, so until you get something right, go play with the kids, you're not ready to talk to the men.
blame for wasting some of Eli's prime. His approach to fixing the OL has been to add one, two max potentially good player each year and a bunch of scrubs. So year by year the Giants are piecing together what will hopefully be a respectable OL and year by year the best QB's prime gets shorter.
First preseason game after about half a dozen practices...
and a lot of it has to do with coaching. I'm sorry but from depth chart structure to how these units handle responsibilities has not change while the players have. Middle is still open on defense. Players unaware to set the edge. Speedy QBs still get the best of them. On offense same old same old. Try to smash and run.
How in the flying fuck in what universe does a coach sit down and say, oh yeah Kuhn is our 3rd DT. He does nothing well. Rookies look confused and often out of position. Giants WRs seem to be the least physical group going. I can only assume that in their practices DBs aren't even allowed to get physical with these guys because in real game action they seem very fazed with contact within 10 yards.
Time to reach out to either Mathis or Long. Stop being cheap and sign one of them, no more pussy footing.
You can't tell me Long is worse than Newhouse. For the life of me I can't stand to watch him and Jerry on the right side of that line, they're going to get someone hurt. Something has to be done.
much hated everything I saw tonight. Well, there were a few nice blitzes, but teams don't prepare for blitz pickup week 1 of the preseason. So even that is tainted.
I'm perfectly fine threatening Geoff Schwartz' life if he doesn't start to earn some of the money he's getting paid... see John Jerry? You're going to get someone killed. Newhouse is a mess. The happiest man in America has to be Jake Long's agent.
Kuhn was horrendous. The LBs stunk. The safeties don't have a drop of experience among them.
i'd rather the NFL put safety first and force all players to sleep in hyperbolic chambers while in cryo-sleep during the offseason. This way they can be in tip top shape for the remaining 50 weeks of the season they are expected to perform.
Why didn't they pass first play of game. What not use the pass to set up the run.
I was very confused with the play calling too. Even some of the stuff that Eli audible into was head scratchers.
Don't look into it too much. Didn't we run 2-3 straight screens to Jennings to open the preseason last year? It was like the same play 3 times in a row
But, based on last night, this team has some serious issues.
Th one that concerns me most is the OL. Jerry and Newhouse were a disaster. And, there does not appear to be anyone on the depth chart to fix it. If and when Schwartz gets in - his health seems very fragile. All the weapons in the world won't help if the OLine is porous.
RE: DL - Kuhn is not a starter, but I think Ellis may be an upgrade. I'd rather start Jenkins over Kuhn. And, he is not a starter at this point. He's also not a DE.
The LBs - Could be wrong, but Beason just not appear to move like he used to. Not the same guy. RE: the rest - DL has to improve to get a better sense.
Secondary - nt sure what we have back there yet. It is troubling that Prince is hurt yet again.
Anyone counting on Schwartz to contribute anything this year -- or any year -- is not paying attention. He is a stiff who is happy collecting a very large, undeserved paycheck. He was a decent RG for one year. Now he's a cold-tub fixture.
In comment 12419042 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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Anyone counting on Schwartz to contribute anything this year -- or any year -- is not paying attention. He is a stiff who is happy collecting a very large, undeserved paycheck. He was a decent RG for one year. Now he's a cold-tub fixture.
He's happy to be on Twitter.
At this point, I don't expect to come away from a game without a minimum of 3 injuries.
The LBs - Could be wrong, but Beason just not appear to move like he used to. Not the same guy.
Must be the new shoe.....when someone mentioned he had to learn to run in that new shoe again, I thought, WTF?
This is a good sign....the Giants were 5-0 last year.....how did that work out?
Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
A lot of BBIers write that it was only the 1st game
trying to spin the "it's not time to panic yet." Panic time for this organization was 2 years ago. What we witnessed in this game, 1st preseason game or not, is a continuation of the same shit year after year. It's like a replay of the same mistakes by the same people and in cases new people. Something is rotten. This team has the look of a 4-6 win team. I'm sure Mara will be incensed and then do nothing.
Few seasons they come out for the first preseason game like they met in the parking lot before kickoff for the first time. There are issues that have to be addressed quickly. Unfortunately most of the issues are with the first team offense and defense. To me there looked like 2nd teamers on the Oline that can replace the right side starters. Pass defense in the middle makes me afraid to watch the opener in Dallas, stays like this 3 and 9 is a gimme for the Cowboys. I saw a lot of good things, but got to fix the bad fast. If they can't fix it, going to be painful to watch
had to turn it off. I think pathetic sums it up. Three years of this crap is enough. The line still cant block and the D still cant stop the run. The two most fundamental elements of the game, and they suck at both.
I'm not going to lie, I am worried about the defense.
Fewell had his warts but I felt the personnel was the bigger issue and I have a feeling Spags is going to get turned on pretty quickly around here for the same reason. It won't be his fault, either.
The linebacking unit is just really underwhelming. Kennard is the one guy I have high hopes for. I like Beason a lot, but you never know with him.
The safety depth is bad.. beyond Prince and DRC, the CB depth is very questionable. We're already down JPP for who knows how long.
He's going to have his work cut out for him with this unit because it just isn't good enough to consistently win 1 on 1's and get by on talent alone.
RE: RE: The excitement has worn off after one game?
Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
such a dumb comment. How about the last three years having capable depth? His tenure didnt beging may 20th.
after watching the game a second time this morning. I hate to admit it but I have to agree with Joey about this team. A lot of the issues with team could be solved in the following weeks but I doubt they will with the current setup of how training camp can be conducted with the new NFLPA rules. It makes me wonder if this coaching staff is not able to adapt with the changes.
After watching 5 preseason games this week the Giants look by far the worse and its not even close. I don't care if it is just week one something is wrong with this team. The question is what it? talent? coaching?
RE: RE: RE: The excitement has worn off after one game?
Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
such a dumb comment. How about the last three years having capable depth? His tenure didnt beging may 20th.
Define "capable depth" and give me some examples of teams that can lose starting O-Linemen and not miss a beat.
Mosley at RT is that Pugh is playing LG and the expectation is that Schwartz will play RG.
But, Mosley, when healthy, is an OK RG and better than Jerry.
The point I'm driving at is to play Mosley at RG and thus have better play at RG, keep Newhouse at RT until Schwartz can play, then play Schwartz at RT until Beatty gets back and then play Schwartz at RG and Beatty at RT.
Complicated but it's an immediate phase-out of Jerry and final phase-out of Newhouse.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The excitement has worn off after one game?
Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
such a dumb comment. How about the last three years having capable depth? His tenure didnt beging may 20th.
Define "capable depth" and give me some examples of teams that can lose starting O-Linemen and not miss a beat.
miss a beat or input a capable player? Im not expecting backup pro bowlers but capable.
You trust schwartz?
The giants of 2007 to 2010 had injuries all the time and inserted capable guys.
The giants of 2007 to 2010 had injuries all the time and inserted capa
Klaatu, you might, might be right on the micro, but taking the longer view, and Reese's decisions in the draft 2008 - 2012 to stockpile OL development types and fail overwhelmingly, decisively, and then in the past three seasons scramble to fix it; + the shocking fails in his FA additions--it's not about Barksdale in May 2015, it's a regime's multi-year series of bad talent assessments and poor decisions, a lot of money spent for the shitshow of an OL. Other teams play with capable OLs with 4th, 5th rounders, FAs, as well as the top-of-the-draft types. The JR regime has stunk at this, and here you have the result.
bradshaw, I'm not sure where you get 4 years, Reese has been at this helm since, what, 2007?
Rich in LA, yup
chris r - it's early, yes, but as Hh said, it looks like rinse and repeat; they have looked like dogs..t in the past 3 pre-seasons, more of the same, between a thin, mediocre roster and poor talent evaluators, it's not a good formula. The injuries, can it really be just bad luck year after year?
The ugliest... Everything is so vanilla it looked like McAdoo stuck to ten plays..
As for the defense it is so basic it is hard to judge...couple of things I noticed Bengals attacked hosely I don't think they threw once at DRC...also Bennet Jackson is all over the field
If they struggle this bad against the jets then I will start to worry...not after the first preseason game
it was you, was it not, who projected the 2007 defense vs. the 2015 defense and opted to take each of the projected 2015 starters over Mitchell, Pierce, and Torborg? Keeping track, but the opening reviews do not favor that assessment.
it was you, was it not, who projected the 2007 defense vs. the 2015 defense and opted to take each of the projected 2015 starters over Mitchell, Pierce, and Torborg? Keeping track, but the opening reviews do not favor that assessment.
it was you, was it not, who projected the 2007 defense vs. the 2015 defense and opted to take each of the projected 2015 starters over Mitchell, Pierce, and Torborg? Keeping track, but the opening reviews do not favor that assessment.
it was you, was it not, who projected the 2007 defense vs. the 2015 defense and opted to take each of the projected 2015 starters over Mitchell, Pierce, and Torborg? Keeping track, but the opening reviews do not favor that assessment.
What I said was the linebackers and dB's on paper have POTENTIAL to be better than linebackers and dB's in 07
And right now that does not look to be the case...but go ahead keep on trolling...
What previously banned poster are you?
I appreciate your optimism, I really do but you're missing one very very important thing about football. It's a TEAM game and it has a domino effect from the lines. Were Torbor, Mitchell and Pierce the best LB trio of all time? No, far far from it, and our secondary was not much write home about but the two things that really make the difference here are that we had talented veteran depth and our front 4 was a nightmare to contend with. When teams have to contend with Strahan, Osi, Tuck OFF THE BENCH!!!, Cofield and Robbins. We had a DT tandem that could shut down the run and pressure the pocket and the best DE trio of perhaps all time. Those guys were a impossible to contend with down the stretch and it made our LBs and DBs look much better because their jobs were far easier.
That is NOT the case here. We have Jon Hankins up front and what else? When a hall of fame DE shows up, and a young DE who ends up as an all pro is coming off our bench and you have a speed rusher who can terrorize any LT he faces arrive...then we can talk. Until then it doesn't matter who is on the backend, this front four is bad bad bad and it will trickle down. The fact that we have castoffs not good enough for most teams as veteran DB depth along with players who have proven nothing in front of them at safety...not a good sign at all.
There is hope but it's a big big IF. IF Moore learns to play with more power and can be counted on, if Ayers is never asked to play DE against the run, if Bromley can look decent against guys who won't be bagging groceries in 3 weeks, if Jenkins somehow shines like never before at age 32, if Ellis takes the chance to get snaps and runs with it, if Selvie recaptures the form he had two years ago, if Wynn is given a shot and continues to grow, if Kuhn gets cut and we don't have to watch him get shoved around...then and maybe then this DL will be competent. Competent is as good as this group can and will be even if everything breaks right. The talent is NOT there, period.
I hope they put Kuhn with the 1's to verify he stinks and is a candidate to be cut. Because he stinks and should be cut.
McBride is a china doll. Before the draft I begged for CB help. Nothing was done. When Hosley and McBride are in your FO plans as 'part of the solution' you have very serious problems at CB. Possibly insurmountable.
Beason looked slow. His ass looked like a bowl of Jello pudding. Even with the paycut/re-structure that contract and re-signing were big mistakes.
The O-line is a mess. If there isn't enough depth on your roster to supplant John Jerry your entire scouting and pro personnel departments should be fired. Newhouse comes as advertised and that's not a good thing.
If Randle and DRC were knicked up and were going to limp off the field after one series why bother starting them? Minor issue yet another head scratching decision/evaluation by this coaching staff.
A handful of the young defenders showed some moxie. Unga, Jackson and Wade. They were a little lost with the schemes but they flew around aggressively and displayed athleticism.
Darkwa was the team MVP and Hunt is a keeper.
It was difficult to evaluate the TE's and WR's effectively as the O-line was a sieve all night long. I'll just give both groups an incomplete for now.
Overall it was a shit show but it's very early and I'm not going to overreact to the first pre season game. Obviously there is a ton of work to do.
straight up the middle running the ball after the first series. They fooled OO twice on the edge and Selvie & Moore gave up the edge. The middle was fine
at CB and the safeties at best are a work in progress. I liked Bennett Jackson, he got beat, but he looks like a player.Collins before he got hurt looked meh on a couple of plays. Other teams are going to deep often with a lot of success unless they hit the QB. The middle of the field is and has been a black hole where Giant DB's disappear.The LB's have problems in coverage. It could be a nightmare
Adrien Robinson stinks Newhouse stinks
That is my stinky observation
Robinson was the best TE on the field. The bloom is so far off Donnell is ridiculous. He's a one trick pony pure and simple. And he isn't that great at that trick either if he can't secure the ball.
And let be first to say it, you are not going to win in this league now if your QB lacks any form of decent speed. Eli's handoffs look like a rerun of the Six Million Dollar Man. Very painful to watch him move. Maybe they should think about moving the HB closer to him.
seemed to short arm a pass over the middle, they didn't replay it, but it seemed he could have sold out to make the catch and he didn't. If Robinson is the best TE on the Giants,they have a huge TE problem
There is a difference between a team with top talent and a competitive team.
If Beatty was on the left and flowers on the right....I'd be much more comfortable. And I would have hope that this could be a high scoring offense
Even with Jpp...The lbs and secondary leave this a team without enough talent to go far in the playoffs...imho...at this time.
Very competitive offense was drafted and signed. Not so on defense that I can see.
Other thoughts:
OO has significant stamina issues?
The offense will show how it will target the middle with Vereen and Jennings and Williams and TEs in the short and screen game ....last and most surprisingly once the season starts??
Lastly, given that they only can change at this point what can be changed....making the least mistakes shedding people and picking up other teams people....is the most important thing to do right now? ?
And to ones who know this game and know this team and knew that this team would suck last year, great you called the bar year, but I question whether you called that the offense would end up top ten last year. During the preseason every swinging dick here told me I was a fool for saying the preseason meant nothing save fit injuries. I was an idiot. The offense would be laughably bad last year you all insisted. And yet, it wasn't.
So excuse me while I question any definitive conclusions made on one fucking preseason game. You guys never ever learn.
Go to Vegas and make some bets based on the preseason games. Draft FF players based on the preseason too. You'll be glad you did. Promise.
That's not to say that preseason doesnt serve a purpose of course
this it is the way TC gets his team ready. No sense of urgency by his starters in preseason. Repetitions and simple vanilla plays. This Offense was dynamic as the season ended and it will pick up where it left off and be better IMO. It's the back 7 of the Defense that is thin and worrisome as it was the past couple of seasons. I did some some different pressure packages that came close to getting home and was a second too late and their QB managed to get off the pass and connect with his receiver. Bottom line the O will carry its weight, hope the Defense held, stays healthy and gets its timing down and get home and nail QB's
And to ones who know this game and know this team and knew that this team would suck last year, great you called the bar year, but I question whether you called that the offense would end up top ten last year. During the preseason every swinging dick here told me I was a fool for saying the preseason meant nothing save fit injuries. I was an idiot. The offense would be laughably bad last year you all insisted. And yet, it wasn't.
So excuse me while I question any definitive conclusions made on one fucking preseason game. You guys never ever learn.
Go to Vegas and make some bets based on the preseason games. Draft FF players based on the preseason too. You'll be glad you did. Promise.
I'd love to put some money on that with you. THis is still a team devoid of playoff talent and I don't know how to explain that to you. Our offense was top ten last year? That's what you're hanging your hat on? A team with a putrid defense that got absolutely run off the field more times than should be tolerable will all of the sudden be good because we put up some yards down the stretch? Don't throw bullshit stats around to prove some fucking point you can't make. Yes I told everyone this team would suck last year and it went 6-10. This team will suck again this year, not compete for a playoff spot. At the VERY BEST we will win 8 games, but this is a team that had a terrible defense and lost its best player to a firework. You expect that to be an improvement? You think JT Thomas and Casillas, careeer backups in for Jacquian Williams and Paysinger is the key to a playoff run?
You're providing NOTHING but..wait just wait you'll see in 4 months that I'm smart. Tell me why genius. Show me the massive improvement on this team from the end of last year and how we'll suddenly overcome the Eagles and Cowboys in our division to challenge for a playoff spot. Please, instead of whining about nothing with your best pal speedy, offer something concrete as to WHY you think this team is improved, position by position, side by side and we can discuss. Otherwise just keep drooling into a bucket until November and we'll wake you when the season is over. You're better off not watching and confusing yourself further than trying to unravel this thing called football.
RE: So now we have Manning being slow handing off...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
as he noted. Something the Pats did more and more after the early part of their schedule last year because when he tries to go down the field now, he's not very effective. Does Brady even throw down the field anymore. Screen plays for runs.
RE: RE: So now we have Manning being slow handing off...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
Ohhhhh...I see. Is this something new? Maybe Williams getting blasted had to do with Richburg falling down? Is it always on Manning?
RE: RE: So now we have Manning being slow handing off...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
hmm, this statement ignores the multiple 1,000+ yd rushers Eli has played with in his career.
RE: RE: RE: So now we have Manning being slow handing off...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
Ohhhhh...I see. Is this something new? Maybe Williams getting blasted had to do with Richburg falling down? Is it always on Manning?
If you think that was the issue than the Giants are in great shape. Unless it is always on the OL.
RE: RE: RE: So now we have Manning being slow handing off...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
hmm, this statement ignores the multiple 1,000+ yd rushers Eli has played with in his career.
hmm..., that statement ignores the fact that this isn't the past we are talking about.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So now we have Manning being slow handing off...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
Ohhhhh...I see. Is this something new? Maybe Williams getting blasted had to do with Richburg falling down? Is it always on Manning?
If you think that was the issue than the Giants are in great shape. Unless it is always on the OL.
Since last year it's been on the OL about 75% of the time.
but I refuse to go off the deep end off the first pre-season game. The same concerns going into it exist now. And frankly should exist even if we scored 50. We'll see what we have in a few weeks, right now it is to find the top 53 of what we do have.
When you're so far up Jerry Ree's ass that you're spinning about Eli's
Unlike you guys I don't expect Eli to move around like he did when he was younger. I expect more screen and draw plays. You know like Kubiak said he would have Peyton doing.
They will not win more than 5 or 6 games at best. He is way worse than I thought. Our Offense will get absolutely no respect with this o-line and it looks like we'll need a very good offense to cover a shaky defense.
The Good:
Special teams were good.
Wynn and Moore can get the edge.
Darkwa has instincts and burst.
The Mixed:
Jackson and Unga have juice but no clue what they are doing.
O2 flashed at times.
The Bad:
The O-line was a disaster. How Jerry is still in the league is a mystery to me.
Kuhn stinks. Pad level is awful. Gets no push. Ever. Plays like he is on skates. For the life of me I don't know what the coaching staff sees in this guy. Start Bromley or Ellis.
Only the first preseason game but there is plenty of work to do. If they are going to rely on McBride to play an important role they are in trouble. He has no durability. When Nassib is the toughest Giants on the field you have a problem.
Newhouse sucked. Eric Herman blew. Adrien Robinson...HAHA.
The winner on offense was Darkwa and the winners on defense were Unga and Justin Currie, IMO. The first team units on both sides of the ball stunk.
The Giants 1st and 2nd team o-line did not allow a sack.
Darkwa and Wade had strong games.
Special Teams/coverage teams were solid.
Hard to be uptempo when your O-Line has as many holes as a 20 year old pair of socks.
Newhouse struggled.
too many dropped balls.
DE's lost contain on several occasions.
Coughlin said there's "big concern" that Mykkele Thompson has indeed ruptured his Achilles.
The OL looks overmatched, and has no continuity.
The simple truth is that there is no RT on this team. Newhouse is not the answer. Mosley can't beat him out. I assume that's why the Giants were playing Hart at RT during practice and tonight, even though Reese said after he was drafted that they wanted to move him to guard.
The RG situation is just as bad, unless Schwartz can suddenly get healthy. Jerry is not the answer.
Newhouse, Mosley, Jerry, Herman, Cleary, and Gettis offer nothing. Bamiro and Donnelly are too inexperienced. But some of these players will not only make the final 53, they'll be starting. Hart should make the final 53.
This is a real indictment of Reese, especially given all the first and second round picks and FA money he's used and spent on the OL the last few years. The entire right side of the OL is unknown. The team also has no depth.
Nothing from Kuhn or Robinson. Go with Hankins and Ellis, and keep Cunningham.
Injury bug decimates the safety position. Thompson and Berhe likely headed for IR.
Did like what I saw from Darkwa and Hunt.
-Jerry needs to go - we need new blood & approach
Couldn't say it better ... Pathetic
It is possible that 60% of Jake Long might be better than 100% of Marshall Newhouse
I agree with those who think Kuhn is getting reps with the 1st team to answer once and for all if he has what it takes. Thus far, the answer is no.
Hopefully Collins is just banged up a little and will benefit from some rest. The safety position is not deep enough to handle losing him.
I liked what I saw of Wade, but not much else in the secondary left me feeling confident in anyone beyond Prince and DRC.
I think Jerry needs to open the Mara's wallet and bring in some more OL and DB depth. I'm not one to overreact to a preseason loss, much less the first game, but the less time spent figuring out the OL the better. This offense needs to be settled so it can gel and carry this team, because the defense will be a work in progress until the young players mature.
What we need to see is improvement. A lot of new faces on this team. Thats all we can really hope for.
Coughlin said there's "big concern" that Mykkele Thompson has indeed ruptured his Achilles.
thats a tough injury, but he can come back from it. It will probably 6 months before he can really go out and run, and probably 3-6 months after that before he could be cleared for contact. Next years camp is a possibility.
Hunt went a long way to making the team tonight. Just don't fumble, kid. Or you're back to square one
I think the stat line said Beason had 3.
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Hunt really looks like the 2nd coming of Dave Meggett. He looks like he might end up being that quick hitter/matchup problem that the Giants haven't really had since Meggett.
Hunt went a long way to making the team tonight. Just don't fumble, kid. Or you're back to square one
I thought he played very well, but he is up against Darkwa, who also played very well. If only Hunt was a DB instead of a RB, he'd probably make the team.
My bright spots were Currie and Wade. I missed DaMontre's big contributions. Not saying he didn't have a good night, I probably missed those snaps.
Newhouse struggled.
too many dropped balls.
DE's lost contain on several occasions.
It's a good thought. A really good one. Probably a very expensive one though.
Please fix the online aleady.
Bromley, wade, jones, talley, darkwa looked good. Hunt and nassib ok. Liked what I saw from Ellis as well.
And pass first play next game.
We have too many RBs and WRs but not enough linemen...no RT and a very weak RG
Mathis' best position is LG so you'd put him there and move Pugh back to RT
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And for the love of God, GET HEALTHY, JAKE LONG.
It is possible that 60% of Jake Long might be better than 100% of Marshall Newhouse
This.
There OL is deep
Yes we probably will, and OBJ will have two TDs, but the defense will give up 150 yds on the ground and we'll loose 33-30. And I'm an optimist.
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We can snatch up guys cut from the bengals. Since practicing with them we know who is good. OL ?
There OL is deep
Geez, their not there
By the way, we could have gotten two OL starters from last year's draft, but we went with Bromley in the 3rd over guys like Trai Turner. Passed over guys who will be starting guards for the next 7-10 years in this league. Yay?
We have Odell, Hankins, Pugh, Richburg, Eli that we can definitely count on, beyond that?????.....not a hell of a lot. Yes yes it's preseason, but we weren't remotely competitive again. The Bengals are a much more talented and much deeper team top to bottom. Welcome to another top 10 pick Mr. Mara, Reese and Nice Guy Coughlin. Maybe it's time for old Tommy C to come back and kick some asses at practice. Something has to change, this team is still gutless.
How in the flying fuck in what universe does a coach sit down and say, oh yeah Kuhn is our 3rd DT. He does nothing well. Rookies look confused and often out of position. Giants WRs seem to be the least physical group going. I can only assume that in their practices DBs aren't even allowed to get physical with these guys because in real game action they seem very fazed with contact within 10 yards.
You can't tell me Long is worse than Newhouse. For the life of me I can't stand to watch him and Jerry on the right side of that line, they're going to get someone hurt. Something has to be done.
I was very confused with the play calling too. Even some of the stuff that Eli audible into was head scratchers.
I'm perfectly fine threatening Geoff Schwartz' life if he doesn't start to earn some of the money he's getting paid... see John Jerry? You're going to get someone killed. Newhouse is a mess. The happiest man in America has to be Jake Long's agent.
Kuhn was horrendous. The LBs stunk. The safeties don't have a drop of experience among them.
I hate preseason.
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Why didn't they pass first play of game. What not use the pass to set up the run.
I was very confused with the play calling too. Even some of the stuff that Eli audible into was head scratchers.
Don't look into it too much. Didn't we run 2-3 straight screens to Jennings to open the preseason last year? It was like the same play 3 times in a row
Th one that concerns me most is the OL. Jerry and Newhouse were a disaster. And, there does not appear to be anyone on the depth chart to fix it. If and when Schwartz gets in - his health seems very fragile. All the weapons in the world won't help if the OLine is porous.
RE: DL - Kuhn is not a starter, but I think Ellis may be an upgrade. I'd rather start Jenkins over Kuhn. And, he is not a starter at this point. He's also not a DE.
The LBs - Could be wrong, but Beason just not appear to move like he used to. Not the same guy. RE: the rest - DL has to improve to get a better sense.
Secondary - nt sure what we have back there yet. It is troubling that Prince is hurt yet again.
He's happy to be on Twitter.
At this point, I don't expect to come away from a game without a minimum of 3 injuries.
Must be the new shoe.....when someone mentioned he had to learn to run in that new shoe again, I thought, WTF?
This is a good sign....the Giants were 5-0 last year.....how did that work out?
Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
I don't think there's a QB that hasn't sliced and diced the giants D the past few years. It's fucking maddening.
The linebacking unit is just really underwhelming. Kennard is the one guy I have high hopes for. I like Beason a lot, but you never know with him.
The safety depth is bad.. beyond Prince and DRC, the CB depth is very questionable. We're already down JPP for who knows how long.
He's going to have his work cut out for him with this unit because it just isn't good enough to consistently win 1 on 1's and get by on talent alone.
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Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
After watching 5 preseason games this week the Giants look by far the worse and its not even close. I don't care if it is just week one something is wrong with this team. The question is what it? talent? coaching?
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Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
such a dumb comment. How about the last three years having capable depth? His tenure didnt beging may 20th.
Define "capable depth" and give me some examples of teams that can lose starting O-Linemen and not miss a beat.
But, Mosley, when healthy, is an OK RG and better than Jerry.
The point I'm driving at is to play Mosley at RG and thus have better play at RG, keep Newhouse at RT until Schwartz can play, then play Schwartz at RT until Beatty gets back and then play Schwartz at RG and Beatty at RT.
Complicated but it's an immediate phase-out of Jerry and final phase-out of Newhouse.
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Let's face it, there is a lot of work to be done.......when we re-signed Jerry, after the way he performed last year, it should have been a red flag.....guys wanting Mathis and Long, be careful what you wish for...there really isn't anything out there.....the waiver wire will be this team's only salvation....we can make moves to create cap room, but there really isn't anything out there...any trade, and with the Giants in desperation mode, will not get the better of the deal......
Funny thing is, this front office threw all it's eggs in the JPP basket, and neglected the OL.....yes, it is the first game of the preseason.....but another season below .500, and who knows what will happen? TC's legacy.....maybe Eli doesn't want to sign an extension? Reese can't hide behind injuries forever.....
Jerry wasn't signed to start, and neither was Newhouse.
Regardless, Beatty got hurt on May 20. What OL would you have signed after that? Who was available? It has nothing to do with the JPP situation. It has to do with a guy like Joe Barksdale, with all of his faults, signing with a new team on May 19.
such a dumb comment. How about the last three years having capable depth? His tenure didnt beging may 20th.
Define "capable depth" and give me some examples of teams that can lose starting O-Linemen and not miss a beat.
You trust schwartz?
The giants of 2007 to 2010 had injuries all the time and inserted capable guys.
Beatty missed most of 2011. In 2010 they shuffled the line after injuries and put in andrews and boothe.
bradshaw, I'm not sure where you get 4 years, Reese has been at this helm since, what, 2007?
Rich in LA, yup
chris r - it's early, yes, but as Hh said, it looks like rinse and repeat; they have looked like dogs..t in the past 3 pre-seasons, more of the same, between a thin, mediocre roster and poor talent evaluators, it's not a good formula. The injuries, can it really be just bad luck year after year?
As for the defense it is so basic it is hard to judge...couple of things I noticed Bengals attacked hosely I don't think they threw once at DRC...also Bennet Jackson is all over the field
If they struggle this bad against the jets then I will start to worry...not after the first preseason game
That is my stinky observation
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it was you, was it not, who projected the 2007 defense vs. the 2015 defense and opted to take each of the projected 2015 starters over Mitchell, Pierce, and Torborg? Keeping track, but the opening reviews do not favor that assessment.
2015 defense better then.2007......bahahahahahshsd
Reading comprehension is your friend
What I said was the linebackers and dB's on paper have POTENTIAL to be better than linebackers and dB's in 07
And right now that does not look to be the case...but go ahead keep on trolling...
What previously banned poster are you?
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it was you, was it not, who projected the 2007 defense vs. the 2015 defense and opted to take each of the projected 2015 starters over Mitchell, Pierce, and Torborg? Keeping track, but the opening reviews do not favor that assessment.
2015 defense better then.2007......bahahahahahshsd
Reading comprehension is your friend
What I said was the linebackers and dB's on paper have POTENTIAL to be better than linebackers and dB's in 07
And right now that does not look to be the case...but go ahead keep on trolling...
What previously banned poster are you?
That is NOT the case here. We have Jon Hankins up front and what else? When a hall of fame DE shows up, and a young DE who ends up as an all pro is coming off our bench and you have a speed rusher who can terrorize any LT he faces arrive...then we can talk. Until then it doesn't matter who is on the backend, this front four is bad bad bad and it will trickle down. The fact that we have castoffs not good enough for most teams as veteran DB depth along with players who have proven nothing in front of them at safety...not a good sign at all.
There is hope but it's a big big IF. IF Moore learns to play with more power and can be counted on, if Ayers is never asked to play DE against the run, if Bromley can look decent against guys who won't be bagging groceries in 3 weeks, if Jenkins somehow shines like never before at age 32, if Ellis takes the chance to get snaps and runs with it, if Selvie recaptures the form he had two years ago, if Wynn is given a shot and continues to grow, if Kuhn gets cut and we don't have to watch him get shoved around...then and maybe then this DL will be competent. Competent is as good as this group can and will be even if everything breaks right. The talent is NOT there, period.
McBride is a china doll. Before the draft I begged for CB help. Nothing was done. When Hosley and McBride are in your FO plans as 'part of the solution' you have very serious problems at CB. Possibly insurmountable.
Beason looked slow. His ass looked like a bowl of Jello pudding. Even with the paycut/re-structure that contract and re-signing were big mistakes.
The O-line is a mess. If there isn't enough depth on your roster to supplant John Jerry your entire scouting and pro personnel departments should be fired. Newhouse comes as advertised and that's not a good thing.
If Randle and DRC were knicked up and were going to limp off the field after one series why bother starting them? Minor issue yet another head scratching decision/evaluation by this coaching staff.
A handful of the young defenders showed some moxie. Unga, Jackson and Wade. They were a little lost with the schemes but they flew around aggressively and displayed athleticism.
Darkwa was the team MVP and Hunt is a keeper.
It was difficult to evaluate the TE's and WR's effectively as the O-line was a sieve all night long. I'll just give both groups an incomplete for now.
Overall it was a shit show but it's very early and I'm not going to overreact to the first pre season game. Obviously there is a ton of work to do.
There is no argument about the dline because that dline was great
There is no argument about the dline because that dline was great
That is my stinky observation
Robinson was the best TE on the field. The bloom is so far off Donnell is ridiculous. He's a one trick pony pure and simple. And he isn't that great at that trick either if he can't secure the ball.
And let be first to say it, you are not going to win in this league now if your QB lacks any form of decent speed. Eli's handoffs look like a rerun of the Six Million Dollar Man. Very painful to watch him move. Maybe they should think about moving the HB closer to him.
Explain, please...
If Beatty was on the left and flowers on the right....I'd be much more comfortable. And I would have hope that this could be a high scoring offense
Even with Jpp...The lbs and secondary leave this a team without enough talent to go far in the playoffs...imho...at this time.
Very competitive offense was drafted and signed. Not so on defense that I can see.
Other thoughts:
OO has significant stamina issues?
The offense will show how it will target the middle with Vereen and Jennings and Williams and TEs in the short and screen game ....last and most surprisingly once the season starts??
Lastly, given that they only can change at this point what can be changed....making the least mistakes shedding people and picking up other teams people....is the most important thing to do right now? ?
So excuse me while I question any definitive conclusions made on one fucking preseason game. You guys never ever learn.
Go to Vegas and make some bets based on the preseason games. Draft FF players based on the preseason too. You'll be glad you did. Promise.
I'll see you in December when we are competing for a playoff spot and we can rebash this thread. Enjoy August football.
So excuse me while I question any definitive conclusions made on one fucking preseason game. You guys never ever learn.
Go to Vegas and make some bets based on the preseason games. Draft FF players based on the preseason too. You'll be glad you did. Promise.
I'd love to put some money on that with you. THis is still a team devoid of playoff talent and I don't know how to explain that to you. Our offense was top ten last year? That's what you're hanging your hat on? A team with a putrid defense that got absolutely run off the field more times than should be tolerable will all of the sudden be good because we put up some yards down the stretch? Don't throw bullshit stats around to prove some fucking point you can't make. Yes I told everyone this team would suck last year and it went 6-10. This team will suck again this year, not compete for a playoff spot. At the VERY BEST we will win 8 games, but this is a team that had a terrible defense and lost its best player to a firework. You expect that to be an improvement? You think JT Thomas and Casillas, careeer backups in for Jacquian Williams and Paysinger is the key to a playoff run?
You're providing NOTHING but..wait just wait you'll see in 4 months that I'm smart. Tell me why genius. Show me the massive improvement on this team from the end of last year and how we'll suddenly overcome the Eagles and Cowboys in our division to challenge for a playoff spot. Please, instead of whining about nothing with your best pal speedy, offer something concrete as to WHY you think this team is improved, position by position, side by side and we can discuss. Otherwise just keep drooling into a bucket until November and we'll wake you when the season is over. You're better off not watching and confusing yourself further than trying to unravel this thing called football.
Explain, please...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
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did I read this correctly?
Explain, please...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
Ohhhhh...I see. Is this something new? Maybe Williams getting blasted had to do with Richburg falling down? Is it always on Manning?
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did I read this correctly?
Explain, please...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
hmm, this statement ignores the multiple 1,000+ yd rushers Eli has played with in his career.
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did I read this correctly?
Explain, please...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
Ohhhhh...I see. Is this something new? Maybe Williams getting blasted had to do with Richburg falling down? Is it always on Manning?
If you think that was the issue than the Giants are in great shape. Unless it is always on the OL.
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did I read this correctly?
Explain, please...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
hmm, this statement ignores the multiple 1,000+ yd rushers Eli has played with in his career.
hmm..., that statement ignores the fact that this isn't the past we are talking about.
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did I read this correctly?
Explain, please...
He is slow footed. The OL couldn't sustain blocks long enough. Hell, Williams got blasted as he received the ball on a play. That's why there were more shotgun plays and using draws with Eli.
Ohhhhh...I see. Is this something new? Maybe Williams getting blasted had to do with Richburg falling down? Is it always on Manning?
If you think that was the issue than the Giants are in great shape. Unless it is always on the OL.
Since last year it's been on the OL about 75% of the time.