from that team they were in 2013 and 2014, what would have you expected to see on Friday night against the Bengals?
If the Giants are going to be the same team they were in 2013 and 2014, what would have you expected to see on Friday night?
Serious question.
We need to see much better defense, but anyone with half a brain knows that the team is going to struggle early on defense if for no other reason than the new system.
You know who didn't play well on Friday? Eli and Odell. But I don't think that will be true in September.
You can't take much from the first preseason game. If you want to take any preseason game seriously, take the third one.
It's possible both are better.....but there is definitely a lack of talent in the backups, that has to be addressed....can only hope the waiver wire provides some relief....
One again, this team will go through growing pains, and hopefully, it plays meaningful games in November this time.......
One preseason game doesn't show much.....Nov. 16th will tell us what kind of team we have....
But I bet you a bunch of BBI posters would start posting how great we will be in 2015.
You get the work in during the preseason and pray for no injuries.
I disagree. Teams have different ways of approaching pre-season games, and they progress at different rates, even 3 to 4 games into the year. Giants approach has always been that the preseason game 1 and 2 are little more than full contact practice sessions.
I don't think failure to do this can be explained by vanilla packages. They would have run the ball better, but they are hiding all their new and innovative run packages just so they can use them in game 1? I don't think so. Running the ball isn't about fooling the defense as much as it is about executing. You should practice what you are going to do - and it should work, at least to some extent, in preseason.
And stopping the run isn't really scheme-related, either. You're not exactly coaching your linemen to get blocked so you can see how your back 7 tackles.
So why does TC always say that he wants to win these games?
The disturbing thing about the few snaps the first-team defense played was the Bengals ran up the gut a couple of times.
However, a lot of running yardage came from the mobile QB and misdirection plays (i.e., the Bengals fooled the young, over-aggressive ends with some plays specifically designed to fool them....not so much losing the battle at the point).
Can we expect Flowers, Collins, and Odi to be better this year than Beatty, Rolle, and JPP? If not, it seems more likely we will be worse. No?
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are usually new hires that want to instill a "winning culture"
So why does TC always say that he wants to win these games?
To let those draftees and new signed players know what is expected of them while they are being evaluated
But we were fooled an awful lot last year by misdirection, particularly from quarterbacks. I'd like that to be better this year, too.
Now, I agree with you that "winning" by itself isnt the biggest thing. Eric keeps pointing to our record last year in the preseason. The problem with that is Corey Washington had like 4 game winning TDs or something like that. Our first team and in some cases our second team didnt get the job done. Anybody who paid attention last year knows that which is why bringing up the record means little which is what Eric is trying to point out.
Where I disagree with Eric is with him saying if we go out and dominate Jacksonville then that doesn't mean anything. Not true. We need to execute, like you said. If we are executing and doing the little things to win like knowing your assignments, running the right routes, recognizing the blitz, reading the defense, running to the ball, taking the block on with the correct leverage, wrapping up, playing smarts, etc. then we can absolutely hang our hat on that. We are not doing that yet regardless of the win or loss.
Ultimately, I think that is what TC means when he says he wants to win. He always does no matter what it is. Win your battle. Win this series. Win the day. Win the game. Also, like you said earlier, coaches want to change the culture. Well, our culture is that of a losing nature lately. We have to change that. That is part of what Spags is doing with going back into the history of the Giants. Now, winning preseason games isnt the end all be all. However, it is nice to have something to build off of. If we are losing these games then we probably arent playing well. If we are winning then there is most likely a stepping stone for your team to build off of.
robbie, solid post; in recent years execution seems to have been in short supply with this team and it has carried over, irrespective of Exhibition W-L record
But we were fooled an awful lot last year by misdirection, particularly from quarterbacks. I'd like that to be better this year, too.
I expect we will have issues again with this when the young guys are playing.
We need to see much better defense, but anyone with half a brain knows that the team is going to struggle early on defense if for no other reason than the new system.
You know who didn't play well on Friday? Eli and Odell. But I don't think that will be true in September.
You can't take much from the first preseason game. If you want to take any preseason game seriously, take the third one.
I am not willing to give the D a long time to adapt. Even in his first time around, I think Spags D was good, but not great. He benefitted hugely from having a deep and dominating DL. Other than that, I thought his schemes were OK, but they relied chiefly on the DL play. If our current DL doesn't step it up, I expect a long season defensively. I think we will be better no matter what, because I think they were just that bad under Fewell. So, just about anything is an improvement.
WR were terrible and were the real reason the drives were stalled , I suspect we will see a difference this week .
Defensively, I think they were very vanilla and Kuhn is no where's near a starter.
This offense was clicking at the end of the year , they can and will score a ton of points!
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IF we were to show improvement, we would have controlled the line of scrimmage better on both sides of the ball. It really is that simple.
I disagree. Teams have different ways of approaching pre-season games, and they progress at different rates, even 3 to 4 games into the year. Giants approach has always been that the preseason game 1 and 2 are little more than full contact practice sessions.
I will have to maintain my position on this Clams. In game 1, there is little scheming happening and it is all about beating the buy in front of you. No matter what Coughlin's game plan is for the early pre season games, you want to see your linemen (O and D) NOT getting "owned" by the guy in front of them. Showing that you are winning in the trenches is absolutely a key indicator to ME.
Can we expect Flowers, Collins, and Odi to be better this year than Beatty, Rolle, and JPP? If not, it seems more likely we will be worse. No?
The key thing is health. Better health will mean a better team than last year. A much better team!
I say this for no other reason that to say relax and let's see how things progress over the next couple pre-season games.