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NFT: Who stops the Trump train?

Headhunter : 8/17/2015 8:04 am
He's not shooting himself in the foot because if he could he would of done 40 times already. He is the true Teflon Don. Let's say the field gets down to 4, who are they going to rally around to knock him out?
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Regardless of who the eventual nominee is  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 11:05 am : link
watching these candidates have to react to Trump and stick their feet in their mouth's because they are not used to dealing with the likes of him, is geat political theater
So let me get this straight-  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 11:45 am : link
Bush goes down to Texas and defends his use of the term 'anchor babies', stating that it does not apply to Hispanics. Instead, it applies to another minority group, Asians. So, he walks back an insult of one group and then insults another. And the term is offensive.

He puts his foot in his mouth every other week. Keep trolling him Donald. He gives you plenty of material.
Interesting WaPo op ed  
njm : 8/25/2015 12:00 pm : link
Also amusing.


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Trump is teflon-no one else gets away with this  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 12:04 pm : link
“Jeb Bush is crazy, who cares that he speaks Mexican, this is America, English !
Holy crap  
manh george : 8/25/2015 12:26 pm : link
PPP poll on NH primary:

Trump 35, Kasich 11, Bush 7, Walker 7, Carson 6, Christie 4, Fiorina 10, Cruz 4, Paul 3, Rubio 4, Huckabee 0, Perry 2, Jindal 0, Graham 1, Santorum 1.

Trump as much as the next 4. Interesting that Kasich has moved to second, though. The Republican establishment plus some of the PACs could start seeing him as the "white night" in this mess.

Not the case in SC, though:

Trump 30, Carson 15, Bush 9, Walker 4, Huckabee 3, Graham 4, Rubio 6, Cruz 5, Fiorina 6, Kasich 3, Christie 2, Paul 3, Perry 0, Jindal 0

Yeah, Sanders is ahead of Hillary in NH. Not sure that means so much. Biden might mean more if he gets in, might not. Or the Dems could limp on with a damaged candidate.
Jeb should just give up and  
buford : 8/25/2015 1:19 pm : link
run for President of Mexico.
Those polls couldnt make it any clearer  
Deej : 8/25/2015 1:53 pm : link
a sizable portion of the Republican electorate wants a non-politician as their candidate. So much support for the non-pols there, warts and all.
Jindal is getting twice as many...  
manh george : 8/25/2015 2:04 pm : link
as he deserves.
think alienating Roger Ailes  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 4:06 pm : link
is going to hurt him? Nah, just going to solidify his image that he is not beholden to anyone.
Hey...  
RC02XX : 8/25/2015 4:20 pm : link
at least Jeb isn't the only person blaming the Asians...Mike Huckabee is joining in on the fun...yay!

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“But there’re a couple of myths. Mexico is actually not the number one source of illegal immigrants, China is, and I think Indonesia is second. Mexico is third. So while a lot of people assume that all the illegal immigration is coming south of the border, that’s actually not the case. Most of it is coming from Asia these days.”


Hey, whatever floats your boat, just say it. No need to verify anything.
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Tripling and quadrupling down on this megyn Kelly stuff  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/25/2015 4:20 pm : link
Is just really obnoxious. Some of his shtick can be entertaining, but other times he just comes off like a massive asshole who deserves a punch in the face. For all his tough talk he easily has the thinnest skin of anyone I've ever seen on this stage. This is all fun now, but at some point his rise can stop being fun and start being really, really scary. He's totally unfit
Not smart to keep fighting with women  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 4:33 pm : link
on Twitter. However, make laws just to keep Trump off the ballot is going to backfire
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Just a suggestion  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 4:39 pm : link
rather than get bet out shape over people who support Trump, you should focus more on the underlying reasons he has support.
I'm sick of professional politicians that are going to shut down the Government because of Planned Parenthood for political points. I'm sick of th gridlock, the disdain that politicians have for the voter and are only concerned with getting reelected. Trump is Trump, but to me he is the antidote to the crap that has been going on since Clinton's Impeachment.
RE: Just a suggestion  
BlackLight : 8/25/2015 4:49 pm : link
In comment 12435286 Headhunter said:
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rather than get bet out shape over people who support Trump, you should focus more on the underlying reasons he has support.
I'm sick of professional politicians that are going to shut down the Government because of Planned Parenthood for political points. I'm sick of th gridlock, the disdain that politicians have for the voter and are only concerned with getting reelected. Trump is Trump, but to me he is the antidote to the crap that has been going on since Clinton's Impeachment.


Except what has Trump ever said or done to make you believe he wouldn't be just as inflexible as President as Congress is now?

Trump's campaign slogan is "Make American Great Again." But the subtext of that is, (Whether You Like It Or Not).
one question  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 4:50 pm : link
if we are all morons who support Trump, why does everyone from every political point of view and drop everything and watch him giving interviews? If you say you don't,fine, but.............
RE: one question  
Randy in CT : 8/25/2015 4:52 pm : link
In comment 12435299 Headhunter said:
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if we are all morons who support Trump, why does everyone from every political point of view and drop everything and watch him giving interviews? If you say you don't,fine, but.............
Are you trying to convince people to like trump? Many don't and you can't.
RE: Only 1 way Warren would accept the Veep slot  
HomerJones45 : 8/25/2015 4:54 pm : link
In comment 12434617 njm said:
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Biden promises he's a 1 term president. Otherwise she would either run herself or remain a power broker in the Senate. She's 66, and a 2 term Biden presidency would leave her running at age 74. No way that's acceptable if she really wants the job.
I don't get the Warren love. In her way, she's as much theater as the Donald.
because when people are struggling  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 4:55 pm : link
and they feel that the world events are spinning out of control, you have a guy who is confident and brags how good he is, people see success and they feel reassured that there is someone strong out there rather than the mealy mouthed, consultant approved, focal panel
tested, blah, blah blah political hacks. I'm just stating the reasons why I believe Trump is where he is today
RE: one question  
BlackLight : 8/25/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12435299 Headhunter said:
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if we are all morons who support Trump, why does everyone from every political point of view and drop everything and watch him giving interviews? If you say you don't,fine, but.............


For the same reason people slow down when they see a car crash by the side of the road.

Trump is a fascinating political experiment that we've arguably never seen played out. How far can blind charisma carry a Presidential candidate when he demonstrates, with nearly every breath, that he has no idea how to do the job?
No Randy  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 4:57 pm : link
I'm not building a case FOR Trump, I'm trying to give you an idea WHY
someone might support him. You can vote for one of your chickens for all I care, not trying to convert anybody
RE: No Randy  
Randy in CT : 8/25/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12435308 Headhunter said:
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I'm not building a case FOR Trump, I'm trying to give you an idea WHY
someone might support him. You can vote for one of your chickens for all I care, not trying to convert anybody
My chickens are much more trustworthy. And giving to society, quite frankly.
and if there is another depression  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 4:59 pm : link
you can eat them a win-win!
RE: one question  
njm : 8/25/2015 5:06 pm : link
In comment 12435299 Headhunter said:
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if we are all morons who support Trump, why does everyone from every political point of view and drop everything and watch him giving interviews? If you say you don't,fine, but.............


Everybody? And the question I would ask is how far ratings have risen with the exception of the debate (no doubt there). At this point I'm normally watching the Yankee games in the evening and if I do watch an opinion show I turn the channel when he is on. If he calls into Morning Joe I switch to CNBC or Bloomberg. They DO, however, allow him to do phone interviews unlike virtually any other candidate. I'm just not sure what they think is happening, increased ratings, is indeed occurring.
RE: RE: one question  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/25/2015 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12435306 BlackLight said:
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In comment 12435299 Headhunter said:


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if we are all morons who support Trump, why does everyone from every political point of view and drop everything and watch him giving interviews? If you say you don't,fine, but.............



For the same reason people slow down when they see a car crash by the side of the road.

Trump is a fascinating political experiment that we've arguably never seen played out. How far can blind charisma carry a Presidential candidate when he demonstrates, with nearly every breath, that he has no idea how to do the job?


Why do people insist lobbing softballs to be hit out of the park?
RE: RE: Only 1 way Warren would accept the Veep slot  
njm : 8/25/2015 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12435304 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 12434617 njm said:


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Biden promises he's a 1 term president. Otherwise she would either run herself or remain a power broker in the Senate. She's 66, and a 2 term Biden presidency would leave her running at age 74. No way that's acceptable if she really wants the job.

I don't get the Warren love. In her way, she's as much theater as the Donald.


If you define the Democratic base as the liberal wing of the party she's a deity, and could probably lock down every bundler who hasn't already committed to Clinton.
I'll put it simply:  
Randy in CT : 8/25/2015 5:10 pm : link
Trump found a way to be mostly successful in real estate after being given a huge head start, a formula, and some failures that he could recover from.

He has shown no indication that he could be a good diplomat nor national leader. Further, his "solutions" seem to be hollow at best, and he's mostly offered no real solutions anyway. Nor any reason why we should think he could implement them.

However, if we think we should vote for him because he's dynamic when he says "You're fired" or because when he was put on the spot in a debate, he lashed out and then continued to lash out even when he had time to think about it and consult about how it was bad, and has a platform consisting of " people are too PC", then go crazy and vote for him?
Trump is the modern Right. The tea party won. Face it.  
Deej : 8/25/2015 5:36 pm : link
I don’t mean to be insulting (if I am), and I don’t mean to say all I view every Republicans like this (and in particular I could name some thoughtful BBI righties). That said…

I don’t get why there is so much consternation over Trump. He’s the embodiment of the 21st century Republican. He’s the heir to the guy who got elected on bravado, with the rallying cry “Don’t mess with Texas” and the solution to all problems resting in either (1) tax cuts and (2) statements of toughness. He’s the heir to the Rick Santelli rant which tabbed people losing their homes as “losers” (a real Trump term) that called for a “Chicago Tea Party”, thus providing spark for the Tea Party movement. He’s the heir to a Republican opposition strategy of rank opposition – everything Obama is for is bad, and even if it’s something like Obamacare which was effectively the policy of the GOP’s last two presidential candidates but is now CLEARLY unconstitutional to the whole right (“If he was for it,” former Ohio Senator George Voinovich explained, “we had to be against it.”).

Let’s not forget how Trump became popular on the right – with the Trumped up birther charges that too many rank & filers believed and too many elected officials turned a blind eye towards for too long. What is keeping him popular now is (1) the fact that he’s ‘giving it to the liberals’, (2) his robust anti-illegal immigration/immigrant rhetoric, and (3) non-politician background (because Reagan said that government is the problem). That’s the modern right in my eyes – anti-liberal (more so than conservative), anti-illegal immigrant (and in some corners, just anti-immigrant), and anti-government. Reactionary.

So what’s the problem with Trump? He’s thin skinned. So what. He’s angry about all the shit that has conservatives angry. And that anger seems to be the fulcrum of the post-Bush right wing. It’s certainly not some broad vision for the 21st century (or if it is, I haven’t heard it).
The right is now the tea party (or at least a BIG BIG part of the right is the tea party). And Trump makes sense for tea party people.


addendum  
Deej : 8/25/2015 5:48 pm : link
Trump is also the heir to the last GOP nominee, Mitt Romney, who dismissed 47% percent of the country, people of whom he said:

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And so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.


Rick Santelli's tea party to Romney to Trump. The 21st century GOP.
RE: No Randy  
HomerJones45 : 8/25/2015 5:55 pm : link
In comment 12435308 Headhunter said:
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I'm not building a case FOR Trump, I'm trying to give you an idea WHY
someone might support him. You can vote for one of your chickens for all I care, not trying to convert anybody
Pictured: Randy's chicken on the campaign trail
Let's be honest with ourselves  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 6:08 pm : link
For as fucked as you perceive Trump supporters to be, dummies and barely literates and too stupid to be in the same room with you, the one thing have to give the idiots is their passion. Who are you passionate about? And don't cop out by saying anyone opposed to Trump. Name names.
couple of spelling errors  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 6:09 pm : link
sorry
RE: Let's be honest with ourselves  
BlackLight : 8/25/2015 6:50 pm : link
In comment 12435400 Headhunter said:
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For as fucked as you perceive Trump supporters to be, dummies and barely literates and too stupid to be in the same room with you, the one thing have to give the idiots is their passion. Who are you passionate about? And don't cop out by saying anyone opposed to Trump. Name names.


Passion is a morally neutral emotion. Having it doesn't, in itself, grant you any sort of high ground.

Do you think the passion showed by people advocating liberal PC culture gives their views more validity than the substance of their arguments?
Well buddy  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 6:56 pm : link
if passion doesn't work for you, how about which candidate has got your undivided attention? The one you would walk 3 miles uphill in a blizzard to vote for?
Please let this man be the nominee.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 7:00 pm : link
Please. Please. Please. Please. Please.

If I was a donor, I'd want my $ back. This dude is absolutely awful.


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Trump is not just the 21st Century GOP  
buford : 8/25/2015 7:01 pm : link
he's the current state of politics. I don't see how anyone can talk about Trump without also talking about the debacle of the Dem candidates. People are tired of Bushes and Clintons, of establishment pols who are in the pockets of big donors. That's why Trump AND Sanders are doing well. We don't want to be ruled by elites. We want someone who will effectively run the country. Not saying that Trump or Sanders will, but the last4 haven't done a great job.
I agree with buford  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 7:04 pm : link
The thought of a Clinton-Bush race is nauseating. We need fresh blood.
RE: Well buddy  
BlackLight : 8/25/2015 7:06 pm : link
In comment 12435463 Headhunter said:
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if passion doesn't work for you, how about which candidate has got your undivided attention? The one you would walk 3 miles uphill in a blizzard to vote for?


Both are also morally neutral. The worst leaders ever elected to public service have had their diehard defenders. Religion contains some of the worst ideas every imagined, and people gladly organize their lives (and deaths) around those principles.
Teddy Roosvelt had great admirers and followers  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 7:08 pm : link
that were I dare say passionate about TR. how did he turn out?
RE: Please let this man be the nominee.  
dep026 : 8/25/2015 7:09 pm : link
In comment 12435464 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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Please. Please. Please. Please. Please.

If I was a donor, I'd want my $ back. This dude is absolutely awful.
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You have a sick obsession with this man. We get it. You dont like him. Neither does 90% of republican voters. Why continue to harp on this 25x a day?
Well, I don't harp it on 25X  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 7:13 pm : link
time a day. But yes, I do intensely detest the man & his family so guilty as charged in getting glee out of his missteps.
You detest Melania Trump?  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 7:16 pm : link
you detest his children?
No, I detest Jeb Bush  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 7:17 pm : link
& the entire Bush clan, with a few exceptions.
RE: Well, I don't harp it on 25X  
dep026 : 8/25/2015 7:19 pm : link
In comment 12435483 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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time a day. But yes, I do intensely detest the man & his family so guilty as charged in getting glee out of his missteps.


Yes you do. you jsut dont realize you do. You mention every day how you pray he is the GOP candidate or anytime he says something you quote the link.

We get it.
You detest George Herbet Walker Bush?  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 7:20 pm : link
one of our great statesman. Why?
I don't mind Papa Bush  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 7:22 pm : link
He was a decent president, though he let that snake Atwater run one of the dirtiest political campaigns ever. He's a helluva lot better than his sons.
Oh God, Dep step off of it  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 7:24 pm : link
I don't like Jeb. There are about 5 people who post anti HRC threads/links every other day. Stop pretending like I'm the only one who gets some glee out of the misfortune of a candidate I don't like. And if it bothers you so much, ignore it. It's not that hard to ignore someone's posts.
RE: Teddy Roosvelt had great admirers and followers  
BlackLight : 8/25/2015 7:24 pm : link
In comment 12435471 Headhunter said:
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that were I dare say passionate about TR. how did he turn out?


I guess he turned out fine. Which, again, is my point. If history's best and worst leaders both had "passionate" defenders in common, then it's probably a bad idea to use the level of passion to gauge the value of a candidate.
He was one of the best Presidents  
Headhunter : 8/25/2015 7:24 pm : link
IMO and I generally vote Democrat.
RE: Trump is the modern Right. The tea party won. Face it.  
Bill in UT : 8/25/2015 7:28 pm : link
In comment 12435355 Deej said:
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The right is now the tea party (or at least a BIG BIG part of the right is the tea party). And Trump makes sense for tea party people.


As I've said before, I left the TP because we didn't have the strength in numbers to accomplish anything. That was 2 1/2 years ago. I haven't seen anything since then to indicate that that has changed. I think you're way off in your inference that the TP now controls the Republican Party. If they did, Paul and Cruz would be at the top, not Trump
Yeah, I don't mind 41  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/25/2015 7:29 pm : link
He was smart enough not to topple Hussein & all that that would bring. He deftly handled the collapse of the USSR. He signed the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I don't have a problem with him. I have a problem with his sons.
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