He's not shooting himself in the foot because if he could he would of done 40 times already. He is the true Teflon Don. Let's say the field gets down to 4, who are they going to rally around to knock him out?
I don't like Jeb. There are about 5 people who post anti HRC threads/links every other day. Stop pretending like I'm the only one who gets some glee out of the misfortune of a candidate I don't like. And if it bothers you so much, ignore it. It's not that hard to ignore someone's posts.
Grow up already You cry and complain when people question or take a shot at HRC and defend how she is "attacked more than any other candidate" even though she is the ONLY candidate on the Dem side, so of course she is going to get all the attention.
But yet, you sit here every single day ripping Bush as if it matters. We get it. You dont like him. You have made that point perfectly clear. We dont need to hear it constantly.
I don't like Jeb. There are about 5 people who post anti HRC threads/links every other day. Stop pretending like I'm the only one who gets some glee out of the misfortune of a candidate I don't like. And if it bothers you so much, ignore it. It's not that hard to ignore someone's posts.
Grow up already You cry and complain when people question or take a shot at HRC and defend how she is "attacked more than any other candidate" even though she is the ONLY candidate on the Dem side, so of course she is going to get all the attention.
But yet, you sit here every single day ripping Bush as if it matters. We get it. You dont like him. You have made that point perfectly clear. We dont need to hear it constantly.
Dep, I know you hate Hillary so of course you have no problem when others attack her constantly. But when someone rips another candidate for putting his foot in his mouth every other day, you bemoan '...we don't need to hear it constantly'.
Be a little consistent pal & then you might have a point.
You cry when people rip Hillary, but rip Jeb any chance you get. Ever hear the saying you can dish it, but cant take it?
Yes I dont like HRC, but I am not sitting here defending Jeb, Trump, Cruz or any other Republican candidate when people continue to put them down. You are the one who cant see the difference.
But now I know its ok to rip HRC any chance I can now, because you wont respond, right?
and hopefully we dont have to hear constantly about another candidate that we already know is terrible.....
Listening to Trump now in Iowa... I am befuddled that anyone can vote for him in the primary, then at the same time Ill be kicking myself when I have to vote for him in the general election.
I defend her when some hear go into their Benghazi/Whitewater/Vince Foster like tirades about her that don't jive with the facts.
I've not once defended her decision to have a private email account. But I have defended her when people say she's only where she is because of her husband (totally wrong & bordering on sexist), that she should be sent to prison (a tad over the top at this juncture), etc.
My wife was just listening to Trump giving a speech and said she's starting to like what he says. Btw, she's one of those low-information idiots who graduated NYU with a computer science degree in 1971 and was a VP at Chemical Bank when she retired. And she was never a TP person.
My wife was just listening to Trump giving a speech and said she's starting to like what he says. Btw, she's one of those low-information idiots who graduated NYU with a computer science degree in 1971 and was a VP at Chemical Bank when she retired. And she was never a TP person.
He appeals to the masses. Most not the educated kind when it comes to politics.
And Ramos was out of line in the questioning of Donald. He went in their to sabotage the interview not learn anything.
My wife was just listening to Trump giving a speech and said she's starting to like what he says. Btw, she's one of those low-information idiots who graduated NYU with a computer science degree in 1971 and was a VP at Chemical Bank when she retired. And she was never a TP person.
He talks plainly, like when he was discussing how illegal aliens are behind many of the gangs in the US right now. I just wish he would stop some of the stupid stuff.
But Jorge Ramos just made an ass of himself. His little outburst will likely play out well for Trump in the end and net him a slight bump in the polls - because seemingly every controversy around him does.
Unlike Bernie Sanders, he didn't fold and quiver in the corner when controversy came at him in a public event. His detractor looks like a hot headed instigator who came looking for a fight and to create a story and Trump just brushed him aside and even had him brought back to make an ever bigger ass of himself when he was given a chance to speak after the initial outburts.
I don't get this whole Trump thing, but I've given up on it. The entire field on both sides sucks, so maybe it really shouldn't be that surprising.
RE: RE: Trump is the modern Right. The tea party won. Face it. Â
The right is now the tea party (or at least a BIG BIG part of the right is the tea party). And Trump makes sense for tea party people.
As I've said before, I left the TP because we didn't have the strength in numbers to accomplish anything. That was 2 1/2 years ago. I haven't seen anything since then to indicate that that has changed. I think you're way off in your inference that the TP now controls the Republican Party. If they did, Paul and Cruz would be at the top, not Trump
You and I are not going to agree on what the tea party is. To me the tea party has nothing to do with policy positions and winning on issues. Rather, the sine qua non of the tea party is anger. It is a seething anger -- and an accompanying state of being aggrieved -- over a perceived loss of America. And in particular the America where men were in charge, where business was in charge, where whites were in charge, where Republicans were in charge (of the White House) and where America was in charge. Not that the tea party is inherently racist -- I dont think that it is. But it is a movement whose philosophy is that "we" want "our" country back (roughly) -- and this is exclusionary; the tea partiers are losing to someone else who is winning, and that shit has to stop.
This lashing out, the seeting anger , has very much won over the GOP. And it's why Donald Trump, who someone at TNR aptly described as the voice of "aggrieve privilege", is leading in the GOP's polls.
I think has also made the most incisive comment of anyone I've heard so far. IMO the #1 issue we face right now is the corrupting influence of money in politics. It turns our politicians into professional beggars and influence peddlers.
Trump's explanation at the debate of why he gives $$ was one of the most powerful criticisms of the system I've ever seen. And it was off the cuff. Not sure he meant it as a criticism per se, but he plainly wasnt saying it was a good thing.
As I always suspected but had insufficient proof, Trump's temperament problems will be what ultimately do him in.
He needed to go back at Megyn Kelly and restart the war with FOX? Really? I have a lot of difficulty figuring out what he thinks he gets out of this.
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"Donald Trump's surprise and unprovoked attack on Megyn Kelly during her show last night is as unacceptable as it is disturbing," Fox News chairman Roger Ailes said Tuesday afternoon.
He added, "Donald Trump rarely apologizes, although in this case, he should."
Trump almost instantly responded -- not with an apology but with a fresh shot at Kelly. And during a news conference Tuesday evening he dismissed Kelly.
Thoughts as to what his motivation for this behavior might be? What does he think he is getting out of this? Link - ( New Window )
Kicked the most influential Spanish language TV reporter out of a news conference. The motivation here is more obvious, but not necessarily all that clever longer term. Link - ( New Window )
more than hurt him. And really, it's hard to believe that Ramos wasn't trying to grandstand - he could have easily waited to be called on and asked his question like everyone else, but chose to interrupt instead.
Trump then blunted any criticism that would've come from that move by then allowing Ramos back in the room, and actually talking to him.
Kicked the most influential Spanish language TV reporter out of a news conference. The motivation here is more obvious, but not necessarily all that clever longer term. Link - ( New Window )
I hate Trump, but Ramos should have been kicked out. He was a complete asshole. There was no hidden meaning behind it, because he invited him back and answered questions from him. But Ramos was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY out of line. He was embarrassing.
He gets all sorts of credit for being unscripted and going full stream of consciousness, but he has a checklist that he hits in every single speech
- fuck those guys who killed Kate and Jameel (always only use the first name)
- nabisco can go screw themselves, boycott Oreos
- he cherishes woman. Always use the word cherish too.
- he's gonna win the Latino vote because he is going to bring jobs back from china (and hey did you see that poll in Nevada?)
- always throw in a shoutout to the wounded warriors which is a staple of his post McCain spat campaign
- John Kerry looks like a douche getting in bicycle races at 73 and breaking his leg. Trump will never do that (I actually find this one funny)
- just crush Jeb bush, the attacks vary but usually it's about him saying 'act of love', or the 'skin in the game quote' or his gaffe on womens health issues. Now he's working in that bush is copying him on anchor baby
- mention his school and his wealth and generally just boast
I'm sure you can add to this, but he has the same checklist every single speech. Hardly as unscripted as given credit for. He's really insanely repetitive
There are a lot of people that opt for one liners Â
If I was a donor, I'd want my $ back. This dude is absolutely awful.
Link - ( New Window )
He would crush anyone that's not clinton. And it would be a photo finish if she's the nominee. Which she won't be. After she's done in by the emails the republicans are in the drivers seat. I can read your fear.
He gets all sorts of credit for being unscripted and going full stream of consciousness, but he has a checklist that he hits in every single speech
- fuck those guys who killed Kate and Jameel (always only use the first name)
- nabisco can go screw themselves, boycott Oreos
- he cherishes woman. Always use the word cherish too.
- he's gonna win the Latino vote because he is going to bring jobs back from china (and hey did you see that poll in Nevada?)
- always throw in a shoutout to the wounded warriors which is a staple of his post McCain spat campaign
- John Kerry looks like a douche getting in bicycle races at 73 and breaking his leg. Trump will never do that (I actually find this one funny)
- just crush Jeb bush, the attacks vary but usually it's about him saying 'act of love', or the 'skin in the game quote' or his gaffe on womens health issues. Now he's working in that bush is copying him on anchor baby
- mention his school and his wealth and generally just boast
I'm sure you can add to this, but he has the same checklist every single speech. Hardly as unscripted as given credit for. He's really insanely repetitive
'Jeb Bush is a low energy person' 'FOX got 24 million viewers for the debate. They'd be lucky to get 2 million if not for me.'
RE: RE: RE: Trump is the modern Right. The tea party won. Face it. Â
The right is now the tea party (or at least a BIG BIG part of the right is the tea party). And Trump makes sense for tea party people.
As I've said before, I left the TP because we didn't have the strength in numbers to accomplish anything. That was 2 1/2 years ago. I haven't seen anything since then to indicate that that has changed. I think you're way off in your inference that the TP now controls the Republican Party. If they did, Paul and Cruz would be at the top, not Trump
You and I are not going to agree on what the tea party is. To me the tea party has nothing to do with policy positions and winning on issues. Rather, the sine qua non of the tea party is anger. It is a seething anger -- and an accompanying state of being aggrieved -- over a perceived loss of America. And in particular the America where men were in charge, where business was in charge, where whites were in charge, where Republicans were in charge (of the White House) and where America was in charge. Not that the tea party is inherently racist -- I dont think that it is. But it is a movement whose philosophy is that "we" want "our" country back (roughly) -- and this is exclusionary; the tea partiers are losing to someone else who is winning, and that shit has to stop.
This lashing out, the seeting anger , has very much won over the GOP. And it's why Donald Trump, who someone at TNR aptly described as the voice of "aggrieve privilege", is leading in the GOP's polls.
You're free to any view you choose. I've been in the TP and know scores of other members. I'm comfortable in my assessment of who we are. How many TP members have you had conversations with? I'm disappointed in, and resigned to, the state of the nation. The only people I've been angry at are establishment Republicans who tried to co-opt us for their own purposes. When I was in the TP my job was to head the committee that scored votes of every Senator and Congressman. There were about 50 in the House and about 10 in the Senate who were acceptable to us. If that's your idea of taking over the Republican party, I disagree. Actually, the one who sounds angry here is you.
As I always suspected but had insufficient proof, Trump's temperament problems will be what ultimately do him in.
He needed to go back at Megyn Kelly and restart the war with FOX? Really? I have a lot of difficulty figuring out what he thinks he gets out of this.
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"Donald Trump's surprise and unprovoked attack on Megyn Kelly during her show last night is as unacceptable as it is disturbing," Fox News chairman Roger Ailes said Tuesday afternoon.
He added, "Donald Trump rarely apologizes, although in this case, he should."
Trump almost instantly responded -- not with an apology but with a fresh shot at Kelly. And during a news conference Tuesday evening he dismissed Kelly.
Thoughts as to what his motivation for this behavior might be? What does he think he is getting out of this? Link - ( New Window )
You're free to any view you choose. I've been in the TP and know scores of other members. I'm comfortable in my assessment of who we are. How many TP members have you had conversations with? I'm disappointed in, and resigned to, the state of the nation. The only people I've been angry at are establishment Republicans who tried to co-opt us for their own purposes. When I was in the TP my job was to head the committee that scored votes of every Senator and Congressman. There were about 50 in the House and about 10 in the Senate who were acceptable to us. If that's your idea of taking over the Republican party, I disagree. Actually, the one who sounds angry here is you.
Great post. I also know some TP people. They started out when Bush was President rejecting his big spending habits especially the TARP bailouts. The GOP has been a sham for a long time. That is what the anger is about.
I haven't a clue as to why Trump is still around. I listened to his "speech" for a while last night but only so much "me, me, me" I can handle, yet the SOB is mesmerizing.
Two things I have found:
1.) Jeb is not the candidate I thought he would be. Maybe Christie is right, his time has passed him by.
2.) Dems blind allegiance to HRC is confusing. She's as boring and bumbling as Jeb with a ton more baggage. She's making Joe Biden (whom I genuinely like despite his gaffes) a viable candidate.
I haven't a clue as to why Trump is still around. I listened to his "speech" for a while last night but only so much "me, me, me" I can handle, yet the SOB is mesmerizing.
Two things I have found:
1.) Jeb is not the candidate I thought he would be. Maybe Christie is right, his time has passed him by.
2.) Dems blind allegiance to HRC is confusing. She's as boring and bumbling as Jeb with a ton more baggage. She's making Joe Biden (whom I genuinely like despite his gaffes) a viable candidate.
I just don't know what to make of this mess.
I'm surprised Rubio hasn't made more of a run. I'd still say anyone who is low still has a run in them including Christie, the field will narrow which will change things.
1) Despite the e-mail disaster, Hillary as a stump candidate is still the strongest campaigner the Dems have. She has let the e-mail mess throw her off her game, to be sure, but she still has a very strong ground game and she will handle herself in debates and press conferences, way better than Biden or Bernie. She is far from optimal, but the Dems still see her as the best shot to win, in comparison with Biden, who has no ground game in place, and Bernie, who has a hard core of hard left supporters but cannot attract independents--or even most minorities. So, she continues to get support despite numerous weaknesses. Many Democrats view 2016 as a campaign of ideas, and they don;t see an alternative to Hillary to fight against Republicans campaigning pretty far to the right.
2) Trump isn't Tea Party, he's a pseudo-populist who is campaigning on the ashes of what is left of the Tea Party. He will still crash and burn as his tactical approach needs to be replaced by real policy positions. As was noted above, he has a small set of catch phrases that make up his current routine, and ultimately that won't be enough. He will be very damaging to mainstream Republicans, and they will ultimately cut him off at the knees. His fight with FOX will not end well for him. I have no idea who will replace him, though.
3) The Tea Party failed for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was the lack of an economic foundation for their theories. Was the TARP program big spending, given that it has paid itself pack with interest, or would letting the banks blow up have been worse? Would not paying the Federal debt have been a viable strategy or a global disaster? If the former, they never made their case.
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
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"Your immigration plan, it is full of empty promises," Ramos began. "You cannot deny citizenship to children born in this country."
"Why do you say that?" Trump replied. "Some of the great legal scholars agree that's not true.
Except it is true, lacking repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment.
not in an intellectual way, but in a personality way. Our political system would become a farce if he were nominated. That said, I would prefer him to the Tea Party. I actually like SOME of what he has to say...the corrupting influence of money in politics, illegal immigrants (though his solutions are idiotic), and the "born in America citizenship" issue. I lean left but am still conservative on many issues. The GOP and their candidates scare the shit out of me (the term "bat shit crazy comes to mind). Don't like Hillary. Not a big fan of Biden, but right now he's the only one out there that I could cast a vote for.
He was smart enough not to topple Hussein & all that that would bring. He deftly handled the collapse of the USSR. He signed the Americans with Disabilities Act.
I don't have a problem with him. I have a problem with his sons.
Why that's very sporting of you. Name someone else in the last 50 years with a record on foreign policy as good as his. But you don't mind him.
But I have defended her when people say she's only where she is because of her husband (totally wrong & bordering on sexist)
Let's clear up something to start off. Hillary's not stupid. That's not the issue. HOWEVER, when you consider elective office, not an attorney's job at the Rose Law Firm, I think a very strong case can be made that she is such a shitty campaigner that she never would have been elected to anything but for her husband. Do you think she even would have been the Dem candidate for Senate in 2000 but for her husband. Andrew Cuomo would have been a lock for that candidacy.
I don't think Biden will run unless Clinton hits critical.... Â
Which doesn't seem likely, given that the most recent controversy doesn't seem to be sticking to her (long-term). All of Biden's recent moves were carefully crafted to get his name out there as a potential candidate and keep him in the mix without committing to anything (have Obama provide an empty soundbite, meet with party upstart/darling Warren, etc.), but we are very late into the game and Clinton has almost the entirety of the Obama ground game on her team already. Biden may be able to tap into some donors, but the establishment is pretty much coalesced around Clinton and she has a finely oiled machine already pounding the ground in key states for next November already.
Clinton also already has well-over 300 endorsements, though Biden - even without running - has a dozen. Considering Bernie Sanders has zero (unless you count Jesse "The Body" Ventura) and Martin O'Malley has 1, Biden can enter and comfortably assume the #2 position without much effort (save for places like New Hampshire and Oregon, where Bernie will capture the ultra liberal, ultra white vote). I just don't think he wants to run to make things interesting for the constituency, there has to be a clear path to the nomination and this late in the game it seems like Clinton has to completely implode to get anyone else on the ticket next November.
If that does happen, the DNC will not want to run Sanders (so as to guarantee a loss in the general), but timing is going to be a major component to this. Its almost too late already.
On Trump/Ramos - I do not like Trump, but Ramos' approach last night will do nothing but help Donald. We can strip back the outburst and how it was delivered and look at content alone, but the soundbite era of politics will see a guy violating decorum at an event to yell angrily at Trump and insert himself into a story. Maybe Trump has been avoiding him, but Ramos just ceded his position and will undoubtedly do Donald a favor with polling this coming week. I agree, he'll fade when we're out of the soundbites and into policy - but last night was not a good showing for detractors.
not in an intellectual way, but in a personality way. Our political system would become a farce if he were nominated. That said, I would prefer him to the Tea Party. I actually like SOME of what he has to say...the corrupting influence of money in politics, illegal immigrants (though his solutions are idiotic), and the "born in America citizenship" issue. I lean left but am still conservative on many issues. The GOP and their candidates scare the shit out of me (the term "bat shit crazy comes to mind). Don't like Hillary. Not a big fan of Biden, but right now he's the only one out there that I could cast a vote for.
Our political system is already a farce. Trump is the result of that.
Yep. I also liked the new attack he brought to Bush last night with regards to his relationship with Rubio, hadn't used that before. Watching him troll Bush incessantly and watching Jeb try to get his arms around it is the best theater of this cycle so far. If Jeb somehow gets through this he would have a lot of momentum and people would see him a standing up to the bully and going through him. But in that scenario I also think Trump runs 3rd party just out of spite and totally screw him
...and to me, he simply comes off as tired and depressed. Like he thought this was going to be handed to him. Everything he says blows up in his face, Wile E. Coyote.
Biden set himself to step in if Clinton implodes. And he probably has until Thanksgiving for that to happen.
Clinton implodes if:
* Any sort of indictment is handed down, or
* FBI discovers that her personal serve had security inferior to that of State's and that it was hacked by Russia, China, North Korea and/or Israel.
Agreed - although I think the Dems have a few things that play to their advantage in the presidential elections (demographics/electoral college breakdown), they cannot run someone like Bernie Sanders and expect to win. That will be a drubbing and this is likely their long-play to ensure they are (mostly) safe and have someone who can at least compete on a national level in a general.
To put on my tin-foil hat: I think there were a few backroom deals when Clinton stepped down in '08 and I'm assuming a clear path in '16 was part of that. That she has the Obama ground game and was running unopposed (more-or-less - they let in a few gadflies and fringers to not let it be just a coronation) makes that seem even more likely she had at least a few things promised to her. To this point, Biden only really got marched out when things escalated significantly and cracks started to appear. I do think she'll be ok, but he's there so the plan to let Clinton run uncontested doesn't backfire in their face.
Also, good points on Trump/Ramos. I was looking only at the context of the primary/Trump, but Ramos likely did more to win long-term than anything else.
i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
Dunno if you saw George's quote above:
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
Dunno if you saw George's quote above:
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
Dunno if you saw George's quote above:
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
Telling lies and avoiding hard interviews. Sounds very Hillary like.
Jorge Ramos’s daughter works for Hillary campaign (paid employee) Â
i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
Dunno if you saw George's quote above:
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
Telling lies and avoiding hard interviews. Sounds very Hillary like.
Focus, Al. Were talking about douchebag Trump now.
Grow up already You cry and complain when people question or take a shot at HRC and defend how she is "attacked more than any other candidate" even though she is the ONLY candidate on the Dem side, so of course she is going to get all the attention.
But yet, you sit here every single day ripping Bush as if it matters. We get it. You dont like him. You have made that point perfectly clear. We dont need to hear it constantly.
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I don't like Jeb. There are about 5 people who post anti HRC threads/links every other day. Stop pretending like I'm the only one who gets some glee out of the misfortune of a candidate I don't like. And if it bothers you so much, ignore it. It's not that hard to ignore someone's posts.
Grow up already You cry and complain when people question or take a shot at HRC and defend how she is "attacked more than any other candidate" even though she is the ONLY candidate on the Dem side, so of course she is going to get all the attention.
But yet, you sit here every single day ripping Bush as if it matters. We get it. You dont like him. You have made that point perfectly clear. We dont need to hear it constantly.
Dep, I know you hate Hillary so of course you have no problem when others attack her constantly. But when someone rips another candidate for putting his foot in his mouth every other day, you bemoan '...we don't need to hear it constantly'.
Be a little consistent pal & then you might have a point.
Yes I dont like HRC, but I am not sitting here defending Jeb, Trump, Cruz or any other Republican candidate when people continue to put them down. You are the one who cant see the difference.
But now I know its ok to rip HRC any chance I can now, because you wont respond, right?
Listening to Trump now in Iowa... I am befuddled that anyone can vote for him in the primary, then at the same time Ill be kicking myself when I have to vote for him in the general election.
I've not once defended her decision to have a private email account. But I have defended her when people say she's only where she is because of her husband (totally wrong & bordering on sexist), that she should be sent to prison (a tad over the top at this juncture), etc.
He appeals to the masses. Most not the educated kind when it comes to politics.
And Ramos was out of line in the questioning of Donald. He went in their to sabotage the interview not learn anything.
He talks plainly, like when he was discussing how illegal aliens are behind many of the gangs in the US right now. I just wish he would stop some of the stupid stuff.
I just wish he would stop some of the stupid stuff.
That might be like saying you wish birds didn't have feathers :)
Unlike Bernie Sanders, he didn't fold and quiver in the corner when controversy came at him in a public event. His detractor looks like a hot headed instigator who came looking for a fight and to create a story and Trump just brushed him aside and even had him brought back to make an ever bigger ass of himself when he was given a chance to speak after the initial outburts.
I don't get this whole Trump thing, but I've given up on it. The entire field on both sides sucks, so maybe it really shouldn't be that surprising.
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The right is now the tea party (or at least a BIG BIG part of the right is the tea party). And Trump makes sense for tea party people.
As I've said before, I left the TP because we didn't have the strength in numbers to accomplish anything. That was 2 1/2 years ago. I haven't seen anything since then to indicate that that has changed. I think you're way off in your inference that the TP now controls the Republican Party. If they did, Paul and Cruz would be at the top, not Trump
You and I are not going to agree on what the tea party is. To me the tea party has nothing to do with policy positions and winning on issues. Rather, the sine qua non of the tea party is anger. It is a seething anger -- and an accompanying state of being aggrieved -- over a perceived loss of America. And in particular the America where men were in charge, where business was in charge, where whites were in charge, where Republicans were in charge (of the White House) and where America was in charge. Not that the tea party is inherently racist -- I dont think that it is. But it is a movement whose philosophy is that "we" want "our" country back (roughly) -- and this is exclusionary; the tea partiers are losing to someone else who is winning, and that shit has to stop.
This lashing out, the seeting anger , has very much won over the GOP. And it's why Donald Trump, who someone at TNR aptly described as the voice of "aggrieve privilege", is leading in the GOP's polls.
Trump's explanation at the debate of why he gives $$ was one of the most powerful criticisms of the system I've ever seen. And it was off the cuff. Not sure he meant it as a criticism per se, but he plainly wasnt saying it was a good thing.
He needed to go back at Megyn Kelly and restart the war with FOX? Really? I have a lot of difficulty figuring out what he thinks he gets out of this.
He added, "Donald Trump rarely apologizes, although in this case, he should."
Trump almost instantly responded -- not with an apology but with a fresh shot at Kelly. And during a news conference Tuesday evening he dismissed Kelly.
Thoughts as to what his motivation for this behavior might be? What does he think he is getting out of this?
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Trump then blunted any criticism that would've come from that move by then allowing Ramos back in the room, and actually talking to him.
I hate Trump, but Ramos should have been kicked out. He was a complete asshole. There was no hidden meaning behind it, because he invited him back and answered questions from him. But Ramos was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY out of line. He was embarrassing.
- fuck those guys who killed Kate and Jameel (always only use the first name)
- nabisco can go screw themselves, boycott Oreos
- he cherishes woman. Always use the word cherish too.
- he's gonna win the Latino vote because he is going to bring jobs back from china (and hey did you see that poll in Nevada?)
- always throw in a shoutout to the wounded warriors which is a staple of his post McCain spat campaign
- John Kerry looks like a douche getting in bicycle races at 73 and breaking his leg. Trump will never do that (I actually find this one funny)
- just crush Jeb bush, the attacks vary but usually it's about him saying 'act of love', or the 'skin in the game quote' or his gaffe on womens health issues. Now he's working in that bush is copying him on anchor baby
- mention his school and his wealth and generally just boast
I'm sure you can add to this, but he has the same checklist every single speech. Hardly as unscripted as given credit for. He's really insanely repetitive
If I was a donor, I'd want my $ back. This dude is absolutely awful.
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He would crush anyone that's not clinton. And it would be a photo finish if she's the nominee. Which she won't be. After she's done in by the emails the republicans are in the drivers seat. I can read your fear.
- fuck those guys who killed Kate and Jameel (always only use the first name)
- nabisco can go screw themselves, boycott Oreos
- he cherishes woman. Always use the word cherish too.
- he's gonna win the Latino vote because he is going to bring jobs back from china (and hey did you see that poll in Nevada?)
- always throw in a shoutout to the wounded warriors which is a staple of his post McCain spat campaign
- John Kerry looks like a douche getting in bicycle races at 73 and breaking his leg. Trump will never do that (I actually find this one funny)
- just crush Jeb bush, the attacks vary but usually it's about him saying 'act of love', or the 'skin in the game quote' or his gaffe on womens health issues. Now he's working in that bush is copying him on anchor baby
- mention his school and his wealth and generally just boast
I'm sure you can add to this, but he has the same checklist every single speech. Hardly as unscripted as given credit for. He's really insanely repetitive
'Jeb Bush is a low energy person' 'FOX got 24 million viewers for the debate. They'd be lucky to get 2 million if not for me.'
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The right is now the tea party (or at least a BIG BIG part of the right is the tea party). And Trump makes sense for tea party people.
As I've said before, I left the TP because we didn't have the strength in numbers to accomplish anything. That was 2 1/2 years ago. I haven't seen anything since then to indicate that that has changed. I think you're way off in your inference that the TP now controls the Republican Party. If they did, Paul and Cruz would be at the top, not Trump
You and I are not going to agree on what the tea party is. To me the tea party has nothing to do with policy positions and winning on issues. Rather, the sine qua non of the tea party is anger. It is a seething anger -- and an accompanying state of being aggrieved -- over a perceived loss of America. And in particular the America where men were in charge, where business was in charge, where whites were in charge, where Republicans were in charge (of the White House) and where America was in charge. Not that the tea party is inherently racist -- I dont think that it is. But it is a movement whose philosophy is that "we" want "our" country back (roughly) -- and this is exclusionary; the tea partiers are losing to someone else who is winning, and that shit has to stop.
This lashing out, the seeting anger , has very much won over the GOP. And it's why Donald Trump, who someone at TNR aptly described as the voice of "aggrieve privilege", is leading in the GOP's polls.
You're free to any view you choose. I've been in the TP and know scores of other members. I'm comfortable in my assessment of who we are. How many TP members have you had conversations with? I'm disappointed in, and resigned to, the state of the nation. The only people I've been angry at are establishment Republicans who tried to co-opt us for their own purposes. When I was in the TP my job was to head the committee that scored votes of every Senator and Congressman. There were about 50 in the House and about 10 in the Senate who were acceptable to us. If that's your idea of taking over the Republican party, I disagree. Actually, the one who sounds angry here is you.
He needed to go back at Megyn Kelly and restart the war with FOX? Really? I have a lot of difficulty figuring out what he thinks he gets out of this.
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"Donald Trump's surprise and unprovoked attack on Megyn Kelly during her show last night is as unacceptable as it is disturbing," Fox News chairman Roger Ailes said Tuesday afternoon.
He added, "Donald Trump rarely apologizes, although in this case, he should."
Trump almost instantly responded -- not with an apology but with a fresh shot at Kelly. And during a news conference Tuesday evening he dismissed Kelly.
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People like you to help rally his troops?
And this is from someone who thinks Trump's immigration policies are insane.
You're free to any view you choose. I've been in the TP and know scores of other members. I'm comfortable in my assessment of who we are. How many TP members have you had conversations with? I'm disappointed in, and resigned to, the state of the nation. The only people I've been angry at are establishment Republicans who tried to co-opt us for their own purposes. When I was in the TP my job was to head the committee that scored votes of every Senator and Congressman. There were about 50 in the House and about 10 in the Senate who were acceptable to us. If that's your idea of taking over the Republican party, I disagree. Actually, the one who sounds angry here is you.
Great post. I also know some TP people. They started out when Bush was President rejecting his big spending habits especially the TARP bailouts. The GOP has been a sham for a long time. That is what the anger is about.
Two things I have found:
1.) Jeb is not the candidate I thought he would be. Maybe Christie is right, his time has passed him by.
2.) Dems blind allegiance to HRC is confusing. She's as boring and bumbling as Jeb with a ton more baggage. She's making Joe Biden (whom I genuinely like despite his gaffes) a viable candidate.
I just don't know what to make of this mess.
Two things I have found:
1.) Jeb is not the candidate I thought he would be. Maybe Christie is right, his time has passed him by.
2.) Dems blind allegiance to HRC is confusing. She's as boring and bumbling as Jeb with a ton more baggage. She's making Joe Biden (whom I genuinely like despite his gaffes) a viable candidate.
I just don't know what to make of this mess.
I'm surprised Rubio hasn't made more of a run. I'd still say anyone who is low still has a run in them including Christie, the field will narrow which will change things.
2) Trump isn't Tea Party, he's a pseudo-populist who is campaigning on the ashes of what is left of the Tea Party. He will still crash and burn as his tactical approach needs to be replaced by real policy positions. As was noted above, he has a small set of catch phrases that make up his current routine, and ultimately that won't be enough. He will be very damaging to mainstream Republicans, and they will ultimately cut him off at the knees. His fight with FOX will not end well for him. I have no idea who will replace him, though.
3) The Tea Party failed for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was the lack of an economic foundation for their theories. Was the TARP program big spending, given that it has paid itself pack with interest, or would letting the banks blow up have been worse? Would not paying the Federal debt have been a viable strategy or a global disaster? If the former, they never made their case.
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
"Why do you say that?" Trump replied. "Some of the great legal scholars agree that's not true.
Except it is true, lacking repeal of a part of the 14th Amendment.
I don't have a problem with him. I have a problem with his sons.
Why that's very sporting of you. Name someone else in the last 50 years with a record on foreign policy as good as his. But you don't mind him.
Let's clear up something to start off. Hillary's not stupid. That's not the issue. HOWEVER, when you consider elective office, not an attorney's job at the Rose Law Firm, I think a very strong case can be made that she is such a shitty campaigner that she never would have been elected to anything but for her husband. Do you think she even would have been the Dem candidate for Senate in 2000 but for her husband. Andrew Cuomo would have been a lock for that candidacy.
Clinton also already has well-over 300 endorsements, though Biden - even without running - has a dozen. Considering Bernie Sanders has zero (unless you count Jesse "The Body" Ventura) and Martin O'Malley has 1, Biden can enter and comfortably assume the #2 position without much effort (save for places like New Hampshire and Oregon, where Bernie will capture the ultra liberal, ultra white vote). I just don't think he wants to run to make things interesting for the constituency, there has to be a clear path to the nomination and this late in the game it seems like Clinton has to completely implode to get anyone else on the ticket next November.
If that does happen, the DNC will not want to run Sanders (so as to guarantee a loss in the general), but timing is going to be a major component to this. Its almost too late already.
On Trump/Ramos - I do not like Trump, but Ramos' approach last night will do nothing but help Donald. We can strip back the outburst and how it was delivered and look at content alone, but the soundbite era of politics will see a guy violating decorum at an event to yell angrily at Trump and insert himself into a story. Maybe Trump has been avoiding him, but Ramos just ceded his position and will undoubtedly do Donald a favor with polling this coming week. I agree, he'll fade when we're out of the soundbites and into policy - but last night was not a good showing for detractors.
Trump - Fired up his base by standing up to Ramos. Added to his support in the primaries but hurt himself if he makes the general.
In short, short term win and long term loss for Trump. Ramos won both short term and long term.
Clinton implodes if:
* Any sort of indictment is handed down, or
* FBI discovers that her personal serve had security inferior to that of State's and that it was hacked by Russia, China, North Korea and/or Israel.
Our political system is already a farce. Trump is the result of that.
He's the Eeyore of this campaign.
Clinton implodes if:
* Any sort of indictment is handed down, or
* FBI discovers that her personal serve had security inferior to that of State's and that it was hacked by Russia, China, North Korea and/or Israel.
Agreed - although I think the Dems have a few things that play to their advantage in the presidential elections (demographics/electoral college breakdown), they cannot run someone like Bernie Sanders and expect to win. That will be a drubbing and this is likely their long-play to ensure they are (mostly) safe and have someone who can at least compete on a national level in a general.
To put on my tin-foil hat: I think there were a few backroom deals when Clinton stepped down in '08 and I'm assuming a clear path in '16 was part of that. That she has the Obama ground game and was running unopposed (more-or-less - they let in a few gadflies and fringers to not let it be just a coronation) makes that seem even more likely she had at least a few things promised to her. To this point, Biden only really got marched out when things escalated significantly and cracks started to appear. I do think she'll be ok, but he's there so the plan to let Clinton run uncontested doesn't backfire in their face.
Also, good points on Trump/Ramos. I was looking only at the context of the primary/Trump, but Ramos likely did more to win long-term than anything else.
I don't like it any more than you. It is what it is. Money talks.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
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i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
Dunno if you saw George's quote above:
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
so was he being a reporter or an advocate?
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i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
Dunno if you saw George's quote above:
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
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i dont like trump, i think he is an idiot and a moron, but i side with Trump on this one. First of all, Ramos interrupted another person from asking a question. Secondly, he said to wait his turn. Next, he kicked him out but then allowed him back and spoke to him for 5 minutes. Next he said Univision because he works for Univision.
jesus christ, the media madness is crazy.
Dunno if you saw George's quote above:
4) As far as Ramos was concerned, he tried like heck to get an interview with Trump, who ducked him continually, so he tried to get a voice at the press conference. Trump, as is his wont, lied about what happened. a) Ramos didn't yell, as Trump claimed. b) Trump knew damned well who Ramos was, despite claiming not to; c) Trump had him kicked out, despite claiming that a "guard for the event," did it. d) Yeah, he let him back in and had a "discussion" with him, but denied Ramos a mike, a typical Trump tactic for keeping the advantage. As far as throwing out 11 million illegals, even in places like Alabama they know how problematic that is. They tried it, and quickly ran out of farm workers. And then when Ramos stated that many illegals cam by plane--i.e., overstayed a temporary visa--Trump denied that. And when Ramos brought up citizenship by birth under the 14th Amendment, Trump lied again.
Telling lies and avoiding hard interviews. Sounds very Hillary like.