He's not shooting himself in the foot because if he could he would of done 40 times already. He is the true Teflon Don. Let's say the field gets down to 4, who are they going to rally around to knock him out?
Obama didn't have any baggage in 08 and in 12 the media ran duck and cover for him. I don't think Hillary gets that if she even gets to the nomination. McCain and Romney were terrible in the sense that they did not get the base out. Romney was better than McCain, which is why his performance was that much more disappointing.
Obama didn't have any baggage in 08' and 12'?!
Yeah, we're on the same planet, different worlds, big time.
For starters - PALLED AROUND WITH TERRORISTS!
REVEREND WRIGHT!!!
- FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
- SECRET MUSLIM
- COMMUNIST FATHER!
- APOLOGIST!
- BOWS TO FOREIGN KINGS
- AP SCANDAL
- FAST AND FURIOUS!!!
- SOLYNDRA
– DEATH PANELS! DEATH PANELS!
– BENGHAZI
– IRS SCANDAL
– NSA SCANDAL
– DOJ TARGETING CONSERVATIVES SCANDAL
– DOJ GOING AFTER REPORTERS & THE FREE PRESS SCANDAL
– VA SCANDAL
- SOCIALIST! COMMUNIST! MARXIST! FASCIST! DICTATOR!
Add to that the fearmongering over Obamacare.
They got the base out. In SPADES. Fear Factor to the nth degree.
The problem is, the base isn't there any more. More and more die off each year.
...secret Muslim, Communist Father, Marxist labels - this crap was all there from the beginning.
No, he didn't have Benghazi or e-mail - but he DID have the albatross of 'NO EXPERIENCE' hanging around his neck.
His advantage in 08' was that it wasn't clear that he would be the Candidate for most of the campaign season - right wing was gunning for Hillary - Obama slipped under the radar.
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Which issues around in 2008 didn't deserve scorn and derision?
Lack of experience. Totally legit.
The birther and most of the other stuff was BS, although I thought he could be legitimately questioned about whether he agreed with the teachings of Rev. Wright.
The point is that the media, outside of the Rev. Wright story didn't take the stories and run with them. They mocked them. So the thought that Obama was under relentless broad based attack on them in 2008 is simply not the case.
but he DID have the albatross of 'NO EXPERIENCE' hanging around his neck.
What you refer to as an albatross is what most of the world would call a totally legitimate issue when it was applied to a Senator who had served less than 1 term.
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but he DID have the albatross of 'NO EXPERIENCE' hanging around his neck.
What you refer to as an albatross is what most of the world would call a totally legitimate issue when it was applied to a Senator who had served less than 1 term.
It IS a totally legitimate issue.
It was a negative.
Just as a e-mail scandal is a negative. I'd venture to say that Obama's inexperience was a bigger negative factor in 08' then Hillary's e-mail scandal will be in 16'.
Time will tell.
Easy to predict doom when the scandals are hot. Is e-mail really going to stay hot for a full year?
Lack of experience = negative but not a fundamental character flaw
email scandal = potentially illegal scandal representative of a fundamental character flaw
BIG difference.
Ultimately they may not find enough (or may choose to not find enough) to bring charges against Hilary but you're kidding if you don't think this is hurting the basic perception of her a trust worthy individual.
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Lack of experience = negative but not a fundamental character flaw
email scandal = potentially illegal scandal representative of a fundamental character flaw
BIG difference.
Ultimately they may not find enough (or may choose to not find enough) to bring charges against Hilary but you're kidding if you don't think this is hurting the basic perception of her a trust worthy individual.
Wait a minute.
After 25 years of Clinton Bashing - THIS is what's going to make people finally not trust her?
OK.
Look - it's an ugly little scandal. Transparency dodging in it's worst form. Same as other Administrations and elected officials have been burned many times with.
If it really does come down to some sort of indictment, that's another story.
But if it doesn't? As Clinton scandals go? BOOOOO-RING!
Come on! Vince Foster, man! Connected to the DEATHS of Eighty-Something people! THAT is a Clinton Scandal. A SMELLY CIGAR is a Clinton Scandal.
E-mail. Please.
This is Hillary Clinton. She's like the friggin Terminator.
Given her opposition? The walking Biden gaffe machine or the Stammering Spitting Socialist on one side - the other side trying to outdo one another in outrageous comments.
Donald Trump. Seriously. THAT is how bad the Republican field is this year.
Marco Rubio would be dangerous if not for that pesky one issue - really, I think he's the most potent Republican candidate since Reagan.
Obama didn't have any baggage in 08 and in 12 the media ran duck and cover for him. I don't think Hillary gets that if she even gets to the nomination. McCain and Romney were terrible in the sense that they did not get the base out. Romney was better than McCain, which is why his performance was that much more disappointing.
Yeah, we're on the same planet, different worlds, big time.
For starters - PALLED AROUND WITH TERRORISTS!
REVEREND WRIGHT!!!
- FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
- SECRET MUSLIM
- COMMUNIST FATHER!
- APOLOGIST!
- BOWS TO FOREIGN KINGS
- AP SCANDAL
- FAST AND FURIOUS!!!
- SOLYNDRA
– DEATH PANELS! DEATH PANELS!
– BENGHAZI
– IRS SCANDAL
– NSA SCANDAL
– DOJ TARGETING CONSERVATIVES SCANDAL
– DOJ GOING AFTER REPORTERS & THE FREE PRESS SCANDAL
– VA SCANDAL
- SOCIALIST! COMMUNIST! MARXIST! FASCIST! DICTATOR!
Add to that the fearmongering over Obamacare.
They got the base out. In SPADES. Fear Factor to the nth degree.
The problem is, the base isn't there any more. More and more die off each year.
- APOLOGIST!
- BOWS TO FOREIGN KINGS
- AP SCANDAL
- FAST AND FURIOUS!!!
- SOLYNDRA
– DEATH PANELS! DEATH PANELS!
– BENGHAZI
– IRS SCANDAL
– NSA SCANDAL
– DOJ TARGETING CONSERVATIVES SCANDAL
– DOJ GOING AFTER REPORTERS & THE FREE PRESS SCANDAL
– VA SCANDAL
- SOCIALIST! COMMUNIST! MARXIST! FASCIST! DICTATOR!
How many of these were around in 2008? Answer: NONE
And those issues that were around were met with scorn and derision by the media.
2008? You're delusional.
No, he didn't have Benghazi or e-mail - but he DID have the albatross of 'NO EXPERIENCE' hanging around his neck.
His advantage in 08' was that it wasn't clear that he would be the Candidate for most of the campaign season - right wing was gunning for Hillary - Obama slipped under the radar.
Quote:
- APOLOGIST!
- BOWS TO FOREIGN KINGS
- AP SCANDAL
- FAST AND FURIOUS!!!
- SOLYNDRA
– DEATH PANELS! DEATH PANELS!
– BENGHAZI
– IRS SCANDAL
– NSA SCANDAL
– DOJ TARGETING CONSERVATIVES SCANDAL
– DOJ GOING AFTER REPORTERS & THE FREE PRESS SCANDAL
– VA SCANDAL
- SOCIALIST! COMMUNIST! MARXIST! FASCIST! DICTATOR!
How many of these were around in 2008? Answer: NONE
And those issues that were around were met with scorn and derision by the media.
2008? You're delusional.
Which issues around in 2008 didn't deserve scorn and derision?
Lack of experience. Totally legit.
The birther and most of the other stuff was BS, although I thought he could be legitimately questioned about whether he agreed with the teachings of Rev. Wright.
The point is that the media, outside of the Rev. Wright story didn't take the stories and run with them. They mocked them. So the thought that Obama was under relentless broad based attack on them in 2008 is simply not the case.
What you refer to as an albatross is what most of the world would call a totally legitimate issue when it was applied to a Senator who had served less than 1 term.
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but he DID have the albatross of 'NO EXPERIENCE' hanging around his neck.
What you refer to as an albatross is what most of the world would call a totally legitimate issue when it was applied to a Senator who had served less than 1 term.
It was a negative.
Just as a e-mail scandal is a negative. I'd venture to say that Obama's inexperience was a bigger negative factor in 08' then Hillary's e-mail scandal will be in 16'.
Time will tell.
Easy to predict doom when the scandals are hot. Is e-mail really going to stay hot for a full year?
I just don't think it has teeth.
email scandal = potentially illegal scandal representative of a fundamental character flaw
BIG difference.
Ultimately they may not find enough (or may choose to not find enough) to bring charges against Hilary but you're kidding if you don't think this is hurting the basic perception of her a trust worthy individual.
Easy to predict doom when the scandals are hot. Is e-mail really going to stay hot for a full year?
That's up to the FBI
email scandal = potentially illegal scandal representative of a fundamental character flaw
BIG difference.
Ultimately they may not find enough (or may choose to not find enough) to bring charges against Hilary but you're kidding if you don't think this is hurting the basic perception of her a trust worthy individual.
After 25 years of Clinton Bashing - THIS is what's going to make people finally not trust her?
OK.
Look - it's an ugly little scandal. Transparency dodging in it's worst form. Same as other Administrations and elected officials have been burned many times with.
If it really does come down to some sort of indictment, that's another story.
But if it doesn't? As Clinton scandals go? BOOOOO-RING!
Come on! Vince Foster, man! Connected to the DEATHS of Eighty-Something people! THAT is a Clinton Scandal. A SMELLY CIGAR is a Clinton Scandal.
E-mail. Please.
This is Hillary Clinton. She's like the friggin Terminator.
Given her opposition? The walking Biden gaffe machine or the Stammering Spitting Socialist on one side - the other side trying to outdo one another in outrageous comments.
Donald Trump. Seriously. THAT is how bad the Republican field is this year.
Marco Rubio would be dangerous if not for that pesky one issue - really, I think he's the most potent Republican candidate since Reagan.