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NFT: Who stops the Trump train?

Headhunter : 8/17/2015 8:04 am
He's not shooting himself in the foot because if he could he would of done 40 times already. He is the true Teflon Don. Let's say the field gets down to 4, who are they going to rally around to knock him out?
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If you make billions  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 1:54 pm : link
by being a buffoon, I aspire to be a buffoon
RE: Who's the last complete buffoon to serve as POTUS?  
Bill L : 8/17/2015 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12422291 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is there someone who was just wholly unqualified and didn't belong?

Taft is probably more infamous for being fat, but he was a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court aside from his other political positions.


I'm pretty sure that all of the past POTUS were over 36 years of age and born US citizens. Them's the qualifications.
RE: If you make billions  
Bill L : 8/17/2015 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12422295 Headhunter said:
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by being a buffoon, I aspire to be a buffoon
Well.....


too easy, my friend.
Bill L  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 1:58 pm : link
let me make $1 billion and you can call me anything you want, I make $2 billion, I'll make whatever name you come up with my personal license plate, I make $3 billion and I'll name it my plane
....  
BrettNYG10 : 8/17/2015 1:59 pm : link
The key to having wealth like Trump: Have a rich father.
Except that in the 1990's  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:00 pm : link
Trump was $900 million in the red. But it makes a nice soundbite Brett
There are plenty of successful people who fill the Buffoon  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2015 2:00 pm : link
qualifications.

Here's Steve Ballmer at a microsoft presentation, not a pro wrestling event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc
Two other keys to being rich.  
manh george : 8/17/2015 2:04 pm : link
1) Learn to use your name as a real estate brand. Trump arbitraged his name to enhance his property value. Not a presidential attribute, but impressive.

2) Make sure that when casinos you are involved in go bankrupt, it's a corporate bankruptcy, and you already sold your ownership share.

There hasn't been any real discussion yet of the 4 corporate bankruptcies Trump has been involved in. There will be, I promise.
RE: There are plenty of successful people who fill the Buffoon  
BeerFridge : 8/17/2015 2:05 pm : link
In comment 12422319 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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qualifications.

Here's Steve Ballmer at a microsoft presentation, not a pro wrestling event.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc


Yes, I'd say buffoon and billionaire are a common combination.
To think he CAN'T win is naive.  
bradshaw44 : 8/17/2015 2:07 pm : link
Now WILL he win probably not. But I can think of other times in history where an orator came along whipping the citizens into a frenzy and catapulting them into power. The early 1900's in Germany comes to mind. Not saying Trump is hitler, I'm simply saying there comes a time when people are sick of the status quo and demand change. This could be that time for the U.S. I personally don't thinks so, but who am I to say for certain.
RE: Except that in the 1990's  
BrettNYG10 : 8/17/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12422318 Headhunter said:
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Trump was $900 million in the red. But it makes a nice soundbite Brett


And that's according to Trump, right?

The link below breaks down his current wealth. He's exaggerating publicly.
Bloomberg - ( New Window )
Btw...  
manh george : 8/17/2015 2:09 pm : link
Trump WAS an early hire-er of female executives. I knew a couple back in the late 1980s. They made La Cosa Nostra look friendly and flexible, but they did have female genitalia.

I found an old picture of one.

He builds some of the best buildings  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:10 pm : link
and golf courses in the world. One day if you get to NYC, stop into the Trump Tower. What i like about him is he never takes vacations, he will work 360 out of 365 days a year and not end up on a ranch in Texas or Martha's Vineyard for the month of August.
Er, that  
buford : 8/17/2015 2:11 pm : link
might be a bit misogynistic....
self made guys like Mark Cuban and Donald Trump  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:12 pm : link
are not delicate flowers who wilt when getting ripped
bradshaw  
manh george : 8/17/2015 2:12 pm : link
Unless 538 has completely lost it's analytical skills, THEY are to say he can;t win, for a long list of good and valid reasons.

As you get closer to the actual election, policy positions, policy knowledge, historical weaknesses to target, a low ceiling of voters who are willing to accept him, and lack
of ground staff all matter. He has no ground game whatsoever. In this modern era, that matters a lot.
He has 10 full timers in Iowa  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:13 pm : link
by far the largest ground game of all the candidates.
and he is staffing other states as I type  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:14 pm : link
.
I wasn't being misogynistic.  
manh george : 8/17/2015 2:15 pm : link
If he hired women who weren't sharks, I would note that, too. Two of the rudest and most obnoxious women/people I have ever met in my life, quite literally, were Trump real estate managers.
.  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:16 pm : link
DONALD TRUMP STORMS IOWA WITH MOST AGGRESSIVE GROUND GAME
Link - ( New Window )
Sorry for the Caps  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:17 pm : link
I copied and pasted
Manh  
bradshaw44 : 8/17/2015 2:18 pm : link
As I said, I don't think he gets the nomination. But he most definitely could get the public support. And from what I've heard he definitely has teams on the ground in primary towns. Maybe I'm wrong but I could have sworn I heard about it during and after the debate.

Most likely doesn't get the nomination but I'm not counting him out yet.
Furthermore,  
bradshaw44 : 8/17/2015 2:22 pm : link
Trump is not a dumb guy. I'd be willing to bet he has hired some pretty knowledgable consultants that are crafting his policies as we speak. I don't take this run as lightly as his past interests and attempts.
Professional teams do not equal a ground game.  
manh george : 8/17/2015 2:23 pm : link
Guaranteed, passionate Tea Partiers on the one side and progressives on the other, who work for free, will give the last standing candidates in either party advantages Trump won't get.

And last of all, the massive blitz of media spending comes much later, where super-PACs will crap all over him. He isn't going to get super-PAC support.
Again  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:24 pm : link
there are things I like, things that make me cringe about Trump. If you choose to think long game and he will fade, I respectfully disagree
People who align themselves with Trump say much more about  
Wuphat : 8/17/2015 2:26 pm : link
themselves than they probably care to without realizing it.

Super PAC support?  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:27 pm : link
He was offered $5million from one of his buddies over the weekend who wanted to get involved and Trump turned him down. He will take small contributions from individuals so they can feel engaged, but he is not taking big money donors or involved with PAC's. That is one of the reasons I like him, you cant buy him, he doesn't owe anyone"favors"
RE: I'd still love to know what the 'better deal'  
njm : 8/17/2015 2:27 pm : link
In comment 12422133 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:
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The sanctions aren't coming back if we skip out on this.


What makes you think the sanctions (snap back to be specific) are going hold if we don't skip out. Russia has already had Soleimani in for talks and announced they will sell Iran the S-300 air defense system as well. Once they get their $60-150 billion that treaty isn't worth the paper it's written on.
Good  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:27 pm : link
I hope so.
RE: Of course Nixon and JFK wouldn't have been asked.  
njm : 8/17/2015 2:29 pm : link
In comment 12422269 manh george said:
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1) They had actual policy proposals to discuss.

2) They didn't claim to be big supporters of women, while having a laundry list of vile comments about specific women in their prior history.

It was an absolutely valid question under the circumstances, and if he had an actual political staff like real presidential candidates do, he would have been prepared for it.


Actually, IIRC, Dan Rather came flat out in a press conference and asked Nixon if he were a criminal.
Alot of people make Trump Out to be general zod or worse khan  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 8/17/2015 2:29 pm : link
Trump has great leadership qualities
RE: Of course Nixon and JFK wouldn't have been asked.  
HomerJones45 : 8/17/2015 2:31 pm : link
In comment 12422269 manh george said:
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1) They had actual policy proposals to discuss.

2) They didn't claim to be big supporters of women, while having a laundry list of vile comments about specific women in their prior history.

It was an absolutely valid question under the circumstances, and if he had an actual political staff like real presidential candidates do, he would have been prepared for it.
You mean like the "missile gap" and who "lost" China?

Maybe the coverage at the time stuck to the big stuff and didn't get stuck on appearances or "defining" the candidate. Kennedy made Bill Clinton seem like St Paul the Apostle, slept with a Soviet spy, got his PT boat cut in half by a destroyer when he and the crew were either drunk or asleep, and may have been addicted to painkillers. Nixon thoroughly enjoyed his cocktails-often. There were people who knew this stuff but it didn't come out because it wasn't thought pertinent or important and it would diminish the office. I don't know that they were wrong in doing so.

As to the OP's point, Trump will fade as others take up some of the things he says and does that seem to attract support. It already may have started: Sanders said he is not going to apologize to Black Lives Matter.
I heard Chuck Todd and this morning  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:33 pm : link
Mark Halperin report that Trump has the best ground game in Iowa, but
MG you keep on deflecting? Why?
Bush 43  
WideRight : 8/17/2015 2:39 pm : link
Trump is being smart and political:

BASH: So, you’re in the Oval Office, you’re saying, Obamacare…

TRUMP: It’s got to go.

BASH: It’s got to go.

TRUMP: Repeal and replace with something terrific


Note he does not say he will repeal it.....
Headhunter, five reasons.  
manh george : 8/17/2015 2:41 pm : link
1) You are comparing him to 17 candidates, not one or two as will be the case later on;

2) Grass roots is different from professional operatives;

3) As we get further into the political season, the super-PACS will be on him like white on rice. So will the Washington mainstream republican base. None of the major money that isn't his comes from anyone with a reason to support him; and

4) The 30% or so cap to his favorability will matter as the number of opponents dwindle.

5) The number of skeletons in his closet is massive, and the smarter operatives against him are still holding their fire on those.

Have you seen anything to the contrary on any of these five points?
He says 7-10  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:42 pm : link
things in one interview that would knock anybody not named Trump out of the box.People that support him don't care, to them it is Trump being Trump.
.  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 2:46 pm : link
1) How can I disagree with a real number

2) These are not all grassroots supporters on his ground team, most are paid pros

3) He expects to be attacked by super PAC's

4) I dont know what his peak is, probably around that number

5) Bring on the skeletons if you have them, I'm sure he is aware of them
Kind of amazing how few skeltons he has  
WideRight : 8/17/2015 2:50 pm : link
He was in the NYC construction industry for 40 yrs, crossed paths with every union you can think of, and I don't recall any rumors.

He has multiple ex-wives and personal issues; yet no-one continues to bear an axe, some - Ivanka - even activitely support him.

Don't know how he did it.
Not supporting Trump  
buford : 8/17/2015 2:51 pm : link
but honestly what could be in his closet?

They already ran with an article where his wife said he raped her (during their divorce) and she comes out, says it's not true and that he'd be a great President.

He touched the third rail of immigration and his support ballooned.

He said John McCain wasn't a war hero, again, no issue.

He attacked Megyn Kelly with a sexist rant about her bleeding, doesn't seem to have had an effect.

Everyone knows about his bankruptcies, that he donated to Hillary, that he said he wanted single payer, and that hasn't stopped him.

I've said all along that Trump and some of the other non-establishment candidates are the people's way of saying Fuck You to the establishment government, political consultants and the media. People seem to be responding more to his way of saying things than the details of what he is saying. Until they find someone who better represents what they think/feel, Trump will remain.
trump  
Les in TO : 8/17/2015 3:01 pm : link
is a legit candidate. in a country where celebrity matters, where former actors, pro football players, bodybuilding champions and WWF wrestlers have been presidents, governors of major states, it is no surprise that a guy like trump is in the lead.

many americans tune in to shows with simple concepts and catchphrases - WWE, honeybooboo, the kardashians, storage wars....if you are bold, speak confidently and can speak to the lowest common denominator, not to mention back it up with celebrity, a lot of people will get attached.
RE: Who's the last complete buffoon to serve as POTUS?  
OC2.0 : 8/17/2015 3:06 pm : link
In comment 12422291 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Is there someone who was just wholly unqualified and didn't belong?

Taft is probably more infamous for being fat, but he was a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court aside from his other political positions.


The current 1.
You are right, none of that will stop him...  
manh george : 8/17/2015 3:07 pm : link
up to his cap. His cap has actually increased recently, but no one is running a ad blitz against him yet. His skeletons are all in his mouth--he has said so many things on TV that will make for wonderful attack ads against him.

No one is spending money like that yet. They will. I would bet they could make 20 attack ads against him just out of stuff he has said that's on you-tube.
Les, you are right...  
manh george : 8/17/2015 3:09 pm : link
until they get to full-blown debates with 4 or less participants. At that point you have to at least look as if you have bona fide ideas and political acumen on a bunch of topics.

Debates matter, especially when you get past the "secret plan" phase.
Loke I said. A community organizer is pots now. How can  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 8/17/2015 3:43 pm : link
Trump be any worse
RE: trump  
njm : 8/17/2015 3:53 pm : link
In comment 12422476 Les in TO said:
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is a legit candidate. in a country where celebrity matters, where former actors, pro football players, bodybuilding champions and WWF wrestlers have been presidents, governors of major states, it is no surprise that a guy like trump is in the lead.

many americans tune in to shows with simple concepts and catchphrases - WWE, honeybooboo, the kardashians, storage wars....if you are bold, speak confidently and can speak to the lowest common denominator, not to mention back it up with celebrity, a lot of people will get attached.


Hey Les, given Toronto's recent history of selection of mayors I'd say that's not limited to the US. I do concede, however, that your elections are held in a much more reasonable timeframe.
RE: Loke I said. A community organizer is pots now. How can  
BeerFridge : 8/17/2015 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12422553 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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Trump be any worse


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RE: Les, you are right...  
Les in TO : 8/17/2015 4:03 pm : link
In comment 12422495 manh george said:
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until they get to full-blown debates with 4 or less participants. At that point you have to at least look as if you have bona fide ideas and political acumen on a bunch of topics.

Debates matter, especially when you get past the "secret plan" phase.
I'm not sure debates matters as much as they used to....and debates today are a lot of canned nonsense/hot air and not as much exchange of ideas or listening or rational discourse.
RE: RE: trump  
Les in TO : 8/17/2015 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12422570 njm said:
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In comment 12422476 Les in TO said:


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is a legit candidate. in a country where celebrity matters, where former actors, pro football players, bodybuilding champions and WWF wrestlers have been presidents, governors of major states, it is no surprise that a guy like trump is in the lead.

many americans tune in to shows with simple concepts and catchphrases - WWE, honeybooboo, the kardashians, storage wars....if you are bold, speak confidently and can speak to the lowest common denominator, not to mention back it up with celebrity, a lot of people will get attached.



Hey Les, given Toronto's recent history of selection of mayors I'd say that's not limited to the US. I do concede, however, that your elections are held in a much more reasonable timeframe.
would have been interesting to see if rob ford would have been re-elected if he did not pull out due to cancer. thankfully his idiot but non crack abusing brother was defeated, but did get 34% of the vote finishing in second.
I'm not sure debates matters as much as they used to  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 4:11 pm : link
Les there is a agreement with you that I have heard a few times
There was no debating  
buford : 8/17/2015 4:18 pm : link
other than the manufactured ones (between Christie and Paul for example). There was just questions lobbed at the candidates. It was awful. Fox did a terrible job.
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