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Finally becoming disenchanted

jjgmrg901 : 8/17/2015 8:45 am
I have been since 1958 a big Giants fan. Through the hard luck early 60s and the really depressing 70s. The glory of LT and Phil!

I've love the first 11 years of the new millennium.

However after this weekend I am really aggravated and concerned about this team.

For the first time in many years I could only watch the first half of Friday's debacle. God we look lost on defense and the offense was borderline pathetic.

However it was tuning in to some of the other games this weekend that really upset me. Just about every team had better drives than we did. Shit, the E-girls looked strong on both offense and defense. Andrew Luck actually was taken out in the middle of a drive. We were forced to keep Eli in and he ends up with 24 passing yards.

I had been a 'In Reese we trust'. I've thought Tommy C. to be better than most of the other coaches in the league. Now I am wondering if Reese is not the GM I thought he was. Why can’t we bring in someone that is better than Newhouse or Jerry?

Now, I'm not sure. God, Brandon F'ing Meriweather! I live in the DMV and this guy not only sucks but he is a thug. He tries to hurt people.

Oh, well there's my rant. So tough to see that Eli, Odell and Victor are playing with this team.

I will still watch all the games and hope.
You've been watching since '58  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 8:51 am : link
( I have also) and you let the first half of the first exhibition game and what other teams look like in their first exhibition games make you give up? Pretty lame and pathetic IMO
This was the game..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/17/2015 8:52 am : link
that broke the camel's back?

I think your camel has brittle bone disease.
Well, if you were a fan in the 70s....there is no way...  
George from PA : 8/17/2015 8:56 am : link
That you just got disenchanted after this pre-season game.

We lost our LT and best DE.......we know new defense will have growing pains and offense where not showing anything and were not clicking....as long as OL improves......we should be competitive
RE: You've been watching since '58  
jjgmrg901 : 8/17/2015 8:56 am : link
In comment 12421546 Headhunter said:
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( I have also) and you let the first half of the first exhibition game and what other teams look like in their first exhibition games make you give up? Pretty lame and pathetic IMO


No it's not just the game that is bothering me. It's the general malaise that seems to be surrounding the team. Hell a good practice is when no one gets hurt. The free agents we sign end up nicked up.

Believe I hope I am wrong.
I have been a fan since the mid-60's......  
GiantBlue : 8/17/2015 8:56 am : link
I never have and never will like watching pre-season games except to see some of the younger players and determine if they have what it takes to make the final roster.

This team needs to start adding some more attitude. Does it mean stupid penalties/fines? No.....but I want opposing WR's start fearing the middle of the field instead of recent years where they seem to roam free without fear of reprisal.

I want a Dawkins type of guy to get in these guys faces in the huddle and put some toughness back into this team. Is BM the guy? I don't know. But it can't hurt to get some attitude back out there.
I've been watching since 1980  
JohnB : 8/17/2015 8:57 am : link
and that game got me wondering if I am in again for another year of 6-10 football where there is very little good to see. I lived through the 3-12-1 season but back then you saw a ray of hope. I am looking for that ray of hope that isn't pinned on OBJ and an aging Eli Manning.

Saturday is a new day to start again and I'm all for it but I'm not into yet another long losing season.
So absurd.  
TheManUpstairs : 8/17/2015 8:58 am : link
A bad exhibition game and a few injuries, and you need a reservation to throw yourself off the Empire Motherbleeping State Building.

Boy, if this week goes better, start mapping the parade route.
Avoid putting too much weight on the first exhibition game  
JonC : 8/17/2015 8:59 am : link
There were positives to focus on, if you've been reading other threads.

The defense is a concern for 2015, but we've known that for some time, especially after JPP blew himself up.
The Giants use bland game  
section125 : 8/17/2015 8:59 am : link
plans in preseason games to practice and not give away all their plays. Plus missing 1/2 the offensive line and losing 1/2 the secondary tends to make things look bad.

New defenses take time to learn, so the D will look confused until half time of the third game.

As we all know, the season is not won in the pre-season games.

It also doesn't help that the Bengals saw all the Giants defenses during the entire week.

This:  
Victor in CT : 8/17/2015 9:00 am : link
Well, if you were a fan in the 70s....there is no way...
George from PA : 8:56 am : link : reply
That you just got disenchanted after this pre-season game.
Back in the bad '70's  
Headhunter : 8/17/2015 9:04 am : link
we used to go 6-0 in the preseason and finish 3-11 in the regular season.
come on man, it was the first preseason game  
WeatherMan : 8/17/2015 9:05 am : link
If it weren't Monday morning I'd call for a bottle of Lagavulin and the full tape of Super Bowl XLII as an immediate prescription.
RE: Back in the bad '70's  
Victor in CT : 8/17/2015 9:06 am : link
In comment 12421572 Headhunter said:
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we used to go 6-0 in the preseason and finish 3-11 in the regular season.


And boy! Did Jerry Golsteyn look great at QB!
Were you watching  
mikeygiants : 8/17/2015 9:06 am : link
last year?
RE: So absurd.  
jjgmrg901 : 8/17/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12421558 TheManUpstairs said:
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A bad exhibition game and a few injuries, and you need a reservation to throw yourself off the Empire Motherbleeping State Building.

Boy, if this week goes better, start mapping the parade route.


I'm really not sure that you need to be talking about someone killing himself. I don't mind the criticism that I am over reacting too early. However, as someone who has lost two close friends to suicide can you please temper your comments?

I kind of see where he is coming from.  
Mister Charming : 8/17/2015 9:09 am : link
Starting with the past few seasons, JPP blowing his hand apart acting like a child, injuries again taking over from day 1. I'm aware it was one game, but the same issues have plagued this team for the past few seasons. How many times can we watch a receiver/TE/running back catch a pass in the middle of the field with the closest guy being 10 yards away? Or guys missing assignments, poor tackling, confusion, and confusion is not just limited to the preseason. Even in week 15, guys always seem to appear lost and confused with lots of pointing. It's become an epidemic with this team.

Now, is this one game enough for me to say the hell with them-No.
RE: come on man, it was the first preseason game  
jjgmrg901 : 8/17/2015 9:10 am : link
In comment 12421575 WeatherMan said:
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If it weren't Monday morning I'd call for a bottle of Lagavulin and the full tape of Super Bowl XLII as an immediate prescription.


I like how you think!! maybe I will have a couple of shots of Bushmills when I get home.

Thanks for the suggestion!!!
Take a  
dorgan : 8/17/2015 9:13 am : link
deep breath and think rationally for a moment.

It's difficult to win on the road. It's far more difficult to win on the road when you've been on the road for 5 days.

I can attribute almost every negative play I saw in that game to tired legs. We looked whupped. Simple.

Plus, we're not that good. I don't think we'll be a bad team when the shooting starts, but we're not good enough to play a solid game after a week of practice on the road that likely resulted in more contact than any other single practice to date.

Nothing makes a team look worse than tired legs. Nothing.



It finally happened  
manh george : 8/17/2015 9:15 am : link
Too sad for words.

I love BBI  
jjgmrg901 : 8/17/2015 9:17 am : link
Thanks you FMiC and manh. I guess my camel is in need of a back repair.

Also thank you Dorgan.
...  
ColHowPepper : 8/17/2015 9:22 am : link
dorgan, sounds rational and objective, but a serious question: for guys mostly in their 20's who've been athletes their entire lives, why should a week in OH result in the marked difference? Is it more mental than purely physical? Not getting to sleep in their own beds, surroundings?

manh george, nice play dough
I can respect ...  
Hem Roid : 8/17/2015 9:24 am : link
where this man is coming from ... you wait all offseason long, through never ending baseball/basketball seasons for football season to begin. And when the light is at the end of the tunnel, and you arrive, you are let down.

It is disenchanting to see the opposition move around with fluidity while our #1's are gimping, misdirected or just look check-ed out ...

I understand its preseason game 1, but this is exactly what we saw for 16 weeks in 2014, and just looks like a carry-over of the same crap, same weaknesses, same issues ... some new faces, but same execution ...

I am not getting into the injuries ...
RE: RE: come on man, it was the first preseason game  
WeatherMan : 8/17/2015 9:27 am : link
In comment 12421593 jjgmrg901 said:
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In comment 12421575 WeatherMan said:


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If it weren't Monday morning I'd call for a bottle of Lagavulin and the full tape of Super Bowl XLII as an immediate prescription.



I like how you think!! maybe I will have a couple of shots of Bushmills when I get home.

Thanks for the suggestion!!!

Attaboy, that's the way! And if that isn't enough, think of the Jets and Geno getting his jaw jacked up, we are light years ahead of the little runts sharing our building as usual and the schadenfreude is delicious.
I Was at Giants-Jets, Yale Bowl,  
clatterbuck : 8/17/2015 9:39 am : link
46 years ago today. That was a day for disenchantment. Take heart. Nothing could ever be as bad as that
RE: I kind of see where he is coming from.  
River Mike : 8/17/2015 9:41 am : link
In comment 12421591 Mister Charming said:
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Starting with the past few seasons, JPP blowing his hand apart acting like a child, injuries again taking over from day 1. I'm aware it was one game, but the same issues have plagued this team for the past few seasons. How many times can we watch a receiver/TE/running back catch a pass in the middle of the field with the closest guy being 10 yards away? Or guys missing assignments, poor tackling, confusion, and confusion is not just limited to the preseason. Even in week 15, guys always seem to appear lost and confused with lots of pointing. It's become an epidemic with this team.

Now, is this one game enough for me to say the hell with them-No.


Everyone is right to not go overboard on this one game. But I do empathize with the OP. It isn't this game, its the "here we go again" factor and everything leading up to it starting with JPP and all the subsequent injuries and culminating in a non-competitive showing against a team we practiced against in the days leading up to it. Its only a preseason game, but it would have been nice to see a competitive effort against a team that was also playing its first pre-season game ... not to mention without continuing the avalanche of injuries. But better days are coming ... soon we hope.
RE: I Was at Giants-Jets, Yale Bowl,  
River Mike : 8/17/2015 9:43 am : link
In comment 12421660 clatterbuck said:
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46 years ago today. That was a day for disenchantment. Take heart. Nothing could ever be as bad as that


So was I. It was humiliating, but lets face it that was a very very good Jets team
RE: RE: I Was at Giants-Jets, Yale Bowl,  
jjgmrg901 : 8/17/2015 9:46 am : link
In comment 12421672 River Mike said:
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In comment 12421660 clatterbuck said:


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46 years ago today. That was a day for disenchantment. Take heart. Nothing could ever be as bad as that

Oh God I was there also. Sitting on concrete getting poured on by rain and the Jet fans. Talk about a long ride home with two Giant fans and four Jet fans. Amazed that I still talk to two of them!!!



So was I. It was humiliating, but lets face it that was a very very good Jets team
Damm that did't work. I was at that Yale bowl game also  
jjgmrg901 : 8/17/2015 9:48 am : link
What a real debacle. To get poured on by rain and the Jet fans. It was a long long ride home with four Jet fans and only two Giant fans. I'm amazed I am still talking to two of the Jet fans!!!
RE: ...  
dorgan : 8/17/2015 9:52 am : link
In comment 12421620 ColHowPepper said:
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dorgan, sounds rational and objective, but a serious question: for guys mostly in their 20's who've been athletes their entire lives, why should a week in OH result in the marked difference? Is it more mental than purely physical? Not getting to sleep in their own beds, surroundings?

manh george, nice play dough


Both.

After a good day of contact, the body needs rest to recover.

We had 3 practices in a row where the contact was harder than it had been. Not enough recovery time. Couple that with being out of town and you'll get what you witnessed.

We held joint practices all the time when I coached. We also had to only travel about 15 miles and we never stayed over night. Even then, by the end of the week our energy level dropped. It's good work, but it's taxing.

I expected a lackluster performance by the Giants Friday.

What I didn't expect was the mistakes by our skill position players. I thought our WRs played very poorly.
fair enough  
ColHowPepper : 8/17/2015 10:25 am : link
(and I've played HS and college sports, but, obviously, never pro or with the regimens, practice schedules, living on the road as these guys), but one would think that game night would be an antidote to a lot of the depleting influences you mention.

I thought our skill players were lackluster too, pretty much the entire squad. We lost most, not all, the physical battles; it was not pretty. Given your objective take, and TC's taking the team to task, we have reason to expect better this week.
no excuses ...  
Hem Roid : 8/17/2015 10:30 am : link
Cincinnati had to show up and practice/play to ... enough of the nonsensical excuses ... team looked flat, every player, and looked like they wanted no biz being on field ...
Wow.  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/17/2015 10:32 am : link
1958 and the first preseason game has you ready to move on. Incredible.
Not really disenchanted...  
sb from NYT Forum : 8/17/2015 10:35 am : link
... and also not discouraged, even with the loss of JPP, Beatty and Thompson. I think the team is more talented than last year, Spags is an infinitely better coach than Cotrell (not to mention better teacher and communicator) and another year under McAdoo is a huge plus.

I don't think they're a playoff team yet, but they are on the upswing and with some luck will have a winning record.
First Quarter Against Cincy  
dcp : 8/17/2015 11:33 am : link
was hard to watch. I realize we played vanilla offense but did not execute assignements. The defense was just as poor as 2014. I hope to see things improve over the next four weeks prior to week one. No JPP, no Eli signed and Tom on a year to year contract. Maybe management is finally ready to part ways with Tom and Eli and move forward with new GM if 6-10 happens again in 2015. No more Groundhog Day seasons please, show some player developement and growth or blow it up.
I'm disappointed,  
NJGiantFan84 : 8/17/2015 11:33 am : link
but remember how it took a few games for Spags defense to click in 2007? Remember that Eli often gets off to slow starts? I wanted to see better play also, but I don't think you can write off the season yet.

I want to see improvement next game. Then more improvement the following game. There are a lot of new pieces here. Patience is necessary.


one area for frustration is that  
idiotsavant : 8/17/2015 11:35 am : link
Mara, Reese, if I remember correctly, had promised to stop getting cute on draft day.

JPP- a player with great athleticism who had less proven experience/ data to support his love of the game, pain and all.

Mykkele Thomson, possibly the same, a guy with great athleticism that nobody had on the radar, and, I have not checked, perhaps less resume, proving love of the pain and an ability to remain un-injured.

Brewer, Robinson, little in the way of good 'college tape' and high upside athletically.

The wash outs and injuries are not as surprising as we like to pretend.

Back in the day, 'football player' was synonymous with 'tough and durable'.

On a slight miller, the pre-season games looked like some cheap assed crap arena ball. not football. a farce of throw up the ball and catch. prefer the old rules re: corner play and hitting the QB.

There's the option of skipping preseason  
schabadoo : 8/17/2015 11:39 am : link
.
one of the reasons, IMO  
idiotsavant : 8/17/2015 11:43 am : link
that Football, which had been behind both baseball and basketball, became the #1 sport, was the >sense that, anyway< it was real, the sense that the players cared about their teams, about winning, more so than about the individual careers and all that, or at least a reasonable balance of those factors.

Whereas in basketball, one had the idea that the individual players had outgrown the game itself as a matter of emphasis.

The preseason games looked like union rules, that is to say, play pass and catch, go easy, don't get hurt, who cares about the rest, take your time.

'Roid.  
old man : 8/17/2015 11:43 am : link
I'm disappointed too.
But if guys with jobs that are winnable did not appear to want to be there, they will be gone by the first cutdown.
Lots of management,coaches, and players on a short leash this year, despite the FO play down to that effect.
As much as there is no comparison, Arena guys make 400-600 a game , and Canadians make maybe 2,000 /game.
And I realize Brett Jones is a project, but a tryout by a hungry player can make for incentive.
And signing a spacecadet like Meriwether should put guys on notice; maybe we should have signed IK also.
I guess what is disappointing is that we put out a lackluster effort  
GiantBlue : 8/17/2015 11:52 am : link
while the Eagles...who whip through every practice like it is Navy Seals training....go out and whip the colts 36-10....with Sanchez, Barkley & Tebow!!!!

Maybe our players would be tougher if they practiced like Navy Seals instead of actual seals positioning themselves on the beach for sunning! Geez!
I wonder if any rules changes ove the past  
idiotsavant : 8/17/2015 12:02 pm : link
(15?) years, rules regarding interference with the receivers on the part of corners, gave rise to more zone, less man cover. more offense highlights, and a dumbed down, less entertaining game for real fans.

killing the goose, as it were
no person within ...  
Hem Roid : 8/17/2015 12:28 pm : link
reason looks at the preseason and says, we must win there games to prove what sort of team we have ... what I was looking for was efficient possessions of the ball, move the ball, convert 1st downs, maybe get the ball in the end zone with you 1st unit ... then get them the hell off the field and away from injury ...

there was no semblance of continuity on the O', just lazy looking bodies going through the motions ... the O'line was dominated, but I expect this ...

this is not new, this is direct carry over from 2014 ...
RE: You've been watching since '58  
King Quis : 8/17/2015 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12421546 Headhunter said:
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( I have also) and you let the first half of the first exhibition game and what other teams look like in their first exhibition games make you give up? Pretty lame and pathetic IMO


+1
I guess..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/17/2015 1:38 pm : link
practicing like Navy Seals gets accolades in August.

How did that work out for them in January last year? I'd have asked them, but their asses were sitting at home.
So what do jjgmrg901 and Cindarella at 12:01 A.M...  
manh george : 8/17/2015 1:40 pm : link
have in common?
Here's one of beautys of NFL Football...  
kinard : 8/17/2015 2:09 pm : link
If you can just figure out a way to win that damn game against Dallas on September 13, none of the shit that takes place during the month of August means a thing- nothing.

You know what was depressing? Going 5-0 in the pre-season last year, thinking all August that we were pretty good and then getting absolutely smoked in Detroit on that Monday night - 35-14. That really sucked.

None of this crap matters right now - just get some guys healthy and beat the Cowboys on opening hight. If that somehow happens - trust me - no one will give a shit about how we looked on a Friday night in August against Cincinnati
RE: So absurd.  
Jersey55 : 8/18/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12421558 TheManUpstairs said:
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A bad exhibition game and a few injuries, and you need a reservation to throw yourself off the Empire Motherbleeping State Building.

Boy, if this week goes better, start mapping the parade route.


the guy who wrote this has apparently been watching Giant football for a long time and is not just venting on what he sees right now. This writer has apparently seen the very good and the absolutely terrible and feels he's seeing another season of low class football on the horizon and I must admit that although I'm a long time Giant fan and always will be I have the same feeling that we're in for another season of mediocrity and then Mara will do whats been indicated for the last few years.....
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