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John Mara "annoyed" with JPP...

Mike in St. Louis : 8/18/2015 10:46 am
and Giants?

"Every day that passes at Giants training camp is another 24 hours without an answer about Jason Pierre-Paul, the stalwart defensive end who was good enough, just months ago, to earn the franchise player tag. It is a ridiculously vexing situation, and on Monday the owner, John Mara, admitted to his own frustration.

“I’m beyond the point where I’m annoyed,” Mara told Mike Francesa, in an interview on the FAN. “I wish he’d handled it better but we’re beyond that. Do I wish he came here and had our doctors look at him? Yes.”"

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"With or without JPP, Mara sounded as if he’d just about run out of tolerance for a team that hasn’t made the playoffs the past three seasons.

“The last few years haven’t been kind to us,” Mara said. “But it’s time for us to turn it around.”"


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no more talk ...  
Hem Roid : 8/18/2015 10:50 am : link
about JPP ... he is in the rear view mirror and will never play as a NY Giant again ...
I think the Roid is probably right.  
Victor in CT : 8/18/2015 10:53 am : link
See ya JPP
Mara has spoken out in a negative fashion but it's at the END of the  
JohnB : 8/18/2015 11:02 am : link
year, not the beginning.

This doesn't bode well for Reese and Co.

call me crazy ...  
Hem Roid : 8/18/2015 11:03 am : link
but I think you'd see Reese go before Tom ... has that every happened before ?
I have a hard time  
MookGiants : 8/18/2015 11:06 am : link
seeing Mara fire Reese. It's no secret that he loves Reese and I also believe one of the flagship franchises would be careful about firing a minority GM
Reese is not going  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/18/2015 11:06 am : link
he's not even remotely going
RE: Reese is not going  
Hem Roid : 8/18/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12423775 gidiefor said:
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he's not even remotely going


same can be said for Tom ... I think if it came down to it, Reese would go first, minority or not, you can see he may be in over his head, maybe the move him within the organization to a different function ...
Enough of this guy  
Mister Charming : 8/18/2015 11:11 am : link
Let him go.
RE: Enough of this guy  
aquidneck : 8/18/2015 11:15 am : link
In comment 12423791 Mister Charming said:
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Let him go.


That's no way to speak about the namesake owner of the franchise!
IMO  
RB^2 : 8/18/2015 11:16 am : link
Reese's track record over several years doesn't indicate him being part of the problem.

JPP is turning into a real side show. Fortunately, the Giants have the stronger hand on that front.
fucking dupes agreeing with other dupes  
djm : 8/18/2015 11:18 am : link
what a surprise...

Stop making multiple handles and agreeing with yourself. Everyone knows you're an idiot.
If you think Reese is part of the problem  
djm : 8/18/2015 11:20 am : link
then you just haven't been paying attention to what had befallen this franchise since 2005 on the injury front. The career ending injury list is downright staggering. See Eric's post on another thread. It reads like war and peace for fucks sake.

Literally a dozen or more good to great players were cut down in their prime for good. For good! Not a month. Not a season. Their entire careers were just stopped dead.

But yea go ahead and hammer Reese and this regime because they missed on a few mid round picks. That's rational and fair.

RE: IMO  
Hem Roid : 8/18/2015 11:24 am : link
In comment 12423809 RB^2 said:
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Reese's track record over several years doesn't indicate him being part of the problem.

JPP is turning into a real side show. Fortunately, the Giants have the stronger hand on that front.


I think the sideshow has died down, he is no longer really noteworthy, I think most fans like myself have come to realize we are moving on without him, there are only some others who are crazy enough to think this guy will play for blue again ...
Not sure  
MookGiants : 8/18/2015 11:40 am : link
how you can say Reese isn't part of the problem when the biggest issue with this team for the last few years has been a train wreck offensive line, which he is 100% responsible for.

Not finding a single decent lineman after the 2nd round in the draft since he took over is a huge problem.
being narrow minded  
djm : 8/18/2015 11:43 am : link
and thinking everything is set in stone without knowing the facts is the crazy way of thinking. Anything is possible. We don't even know how long JPP will be out for but people are proclaiming that JPP is without a doubt done here in NY. That's just ridiculous. The guy could be playing in week 3. Everything we have read has indicated that JPP will be able to play football again and soon.

Why do people feel the need to issue blanket concrete statements with little to no wiggle room is beyond me. You're absolutely certain JPP will never play for the Giants again? Care to tell me tomorrow's lotto numbers too?
RE: call me crazy ...  
Vanzetti : 8/18/2015 11:44 am : link
In comment 12423764 Hem Roid said:
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but I think you'd see Reese go before Tom ... has that every happened before ?


Very little chance of that happening. Most likely Coughlin would go and Reese would get one more chance with a coach of his own choosing

Or both Reese and Coughlin go.

RE: Not sure  
djm : 8/18/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12423872 MookGiants said:
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how you can say Reese isn't part of the problem when the biggest issue with this team for the last few years has been a train wreck offensive line, which he is 100% responsible for.

Not finding a single decent lineman after the 2nd round in the draft since he took over is a huge problem.


So what do you propose? Fire the guy? HE's missed on 2-3-4 mid round OL picks...that's not exactly something to be fired over and maybe, just maybe this year's OL turns out to be OK?

If this team didn't lose 12 core players over the last 5 seasons to career ending injuries Reese would have had more error margin. That's just a fact. He isn't perfect and I agree that they could have planned differently but luck hasn't been on Reese's side lately. You have to admit that.
RE: IMO  
Gman11 : 8/18/2015 11:48 am : link
In comment 12423809 RB^2 said:
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Reese's track record over several years doesn't indicate him being part of the problem.

JPP is turning into a real side show. Fortunately, the Giants have the stronger hand on that front.


JPP: You can't break up with me. I've got hand.

Reese: And you're going to need it.
if the offensive line  
MookGiants : 8/18/2015 11:50 am : link
torpedoes the season again, then yes I would fire him for it. I don't think John Mara will, but I would.

It's 8 years now, not being able to find one lineman with even a pulse after the 2nd round absolutely is a fireable offense. And on top of that signing guys like John Jerry and Charles Brown expecting them to play.

If the offensive line wrecks yet another season, it's on Reese.
RE: RE: IMO  
Victor in CT : 8/18/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12423906 Gman11 said:
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In comment 12423809 RB^2 said:


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Reese's track record over several years doesn't indicate him being part of the problem.

JPP is turning into a real side show. Fortunately, the Giants have the stronger hand on that front.



JPP: You can't break up with me. I've got hand.

Reese: And you're going to need it.


He had hand. He now has claw. Or hook.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 8/18/2015 11:52 am : link
Reese deserves a lot of blame for 2012-2014. I think he's done a lot better the past two off-seasons and don't advocate firing him.
This "annoyed" thing is so ridiculous. Did u hear the Francesser spot?  
FranknWeezer : 8/18/2015 11:52 am : link
He asked Mara if JM was annoyed by the JPP situation. Mike planted the word, and JM just expounded on it. Bondy is a douche and took that and ran with it for his headline, as if JM had offered up the quote on his own. Stupid.
i think its  
Hem Roid : 8/18/2015 11:55 am : link
pretty damning to hear Shaun O'Hara say it has been the offensive line that has been holding this team back for a few seasons now, and he is pretty spot on ...
Firing Reese now is stupid  
Go Terps : 8/18/2015 11:55 am : link
We just had two very strong drafts. Whatever the problem that caused the poor 2008-2012 drafts, it appears to have been corrected.

The talent faucet has been turned back on, and the positive effects were already being felt in earnest last year on offense. If you're pissed about the record the last two seasons, blame picks like Marvin Austin, James Brewer, Clint Sintim, Jerrell Jernigan, and Jayron Hosley. Blame the injuries to Kenny Phillips, Chad Jones, and David Wilson. That group of guys is supposed to be the backbone of the team and they are all gone.
RE: RE: IMO  
RB^2 : 8/18/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12423830 Hem Roid said:
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In comment 12423809 RB^2 said:


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Reese's track record over several years doesn't indicate him being part of the problem.

JPP is turning into a real side show. Fortunately, the Giants have the stronger hand on that front.



I think the sideshow has died down, he is no longer really noteworthy, I think most fans like myself have come to realize we are moving on without him, there are only some others who are crazy enough to think this guy will play for blue again ...

I see what you're saying. What I was trying to say is that there's still an overhang with no closure.
Jawn could end this tomorrow  
HomerJones45 : 8/18/2015 11:59 am : link
Just say JPP is not going on the NFI list, JPP will sign the tender and will be in the next day.

As for not playing for the Giants again, did you guys watch the defense against the Bengals' #1's? We can't afford to toss guys aside who can possibly play and this is our best defensive player.
Well I guess Hosley is still here,  
Go Terps : 8/18/2015 11:59 am : link
but from what I see he may as well be gone.
At this point, there still isn't a shred of evidence  
JonC : 8/18/2015 12:00 pm : link
that JPP will be able to play football in 2015.

Giants are proceeding as if he won't play.
RE: Jawn could end this tomorrow  
MookGiants : 8/18/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12423956 HomerJones45 said:
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Just say JPP is not going on the NFI list, JPP will sign the tender and will be in the next day.

As for not playing for the Giants again, did you guys watch the defense against the Bengals' #1's? We can't afford to toss guys aside who can possibly play and this is our best defensive player.


Why would the Giants do this? And to sign the tender he has to pass a physical, which he clearly can't right now. Doing this would just cost the Giants a lot of money and potential salary cap space next year, no thank you
JPP is really proving to be a first class POS  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/18/2015 12:01 pm : link
and I don't say things like that about athletes I've never met lightly.
RE: JPP is really proving to be a first class POS  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/18/2015 12:03 pm : link
In comment 12423966 Mike in Long Beach said:
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and I don't say things like that about athletes I've never met lightly.


And for the record, I'm talking about the way he's handled all of this. The accident itself is something I can wrap my head around... but to be so secretive to your team (and your teammates), preventing the organization you've been a part of from gameplanning properly... when you're the one who screwed up... it really speaks to him having incredibly shitty character, IMO.
my feeling is  
giantfan2000 : 8/18/2015 12:07 pm : link

Tiki Barber our best offensive player retires from an improving Giants team

the next year we won the Super Bowl without him

every player is replaceable

It's not his team because he's not under contract.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/18/2015 12:08 pm : link
I think he's handled this like a complete idiot. But the team is his adversary when negotiating a contract - he probably thinks the team has mistreated him and refused to reward him for his play in 2011, as well as the sacrifices he's made playing hurt in 2013.

The Giants want him under their care to garner the best information possible. I think they're a great, well-run franchise (especially relative to teams in the division), but they're still self-interested. JPP probably views the team cautiously. Add in losing a hand, and I think is actions are due to immaturity/stupidity, not that he's a tremendous douche.
it's a nitpick  
djm : 8/18/2015 12:14 pm : link
but the 2008 and 2010 drafts were anything but terrible The 08 draft was fantastic. 3 guys that played major roles on a super bowl team. The 2010 draft yielded two players that did the same.

They were great drafts but guys got hurt and didn't last very long. That's not on Reese. I'd make those picks all over again and not think twice.

2011 and 2012 drafts were pretty bad. Prince and Randle are good but haven't exactly shined year in year out and really that's all we got from those two drafts. That's a problem. Couple that with the career ending injuries and a bunch of players going from age 29 to 39 overnight, and we have a team that needed to completely rebuilt rather than just retool.

Fans get on Reese but really, no GM is covering up that amount of roster decay in one year. The Niners had a good young team that did a lot of things well for 3-4-5 years. Let's see how they handle this past off-season of decay. The Giants had that kind of off-season happen 3-4 years in a row, more spread out but twice the amount of player decay.
JPP is not our best defensive player  
Go Terps : 8/18/2015 12:15 pm : link
He was, but is no longer. He's missing part of his hand.
keep him around  
bc4life : 8/18/2015 12:16 pm : link
until it makes no sense - then trade him.
I don't think JPP is a POS  
djm : 8/18/2015 12:19 pm : link
I think he's a guy who made a mistake and is listening to bad advice. He's scared shitless but doesn't realize that the Giants take care of their own. This isn't the Jets or Eagles. The Giants are in the business of winning but they don't lose sight of what's important and they err on the side of the player's well being time and time again.

JPP isn't a scumbag or a POS. HE's just not making smart decisions because he's terrified that his ability to earn money is at stake. I feel bad for the guy. Just wish he'd come to camp and let the Giants take care of him. It would help everyone. If this was a team like Philly I wouldn't blame him for hiding out. They'd fuck him every which way until Sunday just like they did Steve Smith.
RE: no more talk ...  
SGMen : 8/18/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12423715 Hem Roid said:
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about JPP ... he is in the rear view mirror and will never play as a NY Giant again ...
I agree. Remove the tag and just let him go elsewhere. A shame we tagged him as we'd have gotten a 3rd round compensatory pick for him I'm sure.

JPP, Beatty, Thompson - another off-season of injuries and mishaps which reminds me so much of last year. Oy!
djm  
bc4life : 8/18/2015 12:24 pm : link
Initially the sympathy was more warranted. He's a grown-ass millionaire man - he's had time to think this through and I'm certain he's been given good advice. He's just choosing to ignore it.

I agree not a POS, but he is mishandling this badly.
RE: Not sure  
David in LA : 8/18/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12423872 MookGiants said:
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how you can say Reese isn't part of the problem when the biggest issue with this team for the last few years has been a train wreck offensive line, which he is 100% responsible for.

Not finding a single decent lineman after the 2nd round in the draft since he took over is a huge problem.


Mook, Coughlin is just as culpable for the train wreck OL. Failing to cast O'Hara, Diehl (when Locklear was playing very well), and Snee to the bench when their best was clearly behind them is one major mishandling of the OL. The other that we don't discuss enough of is how our staff has adapted to the new CBA. Seems like Flaherty was able to get more out of our depth guys under the old rules.
RE: I don't think JPP is a POS  
David in LA : 8/18/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12424030 djm said:
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I think he's a guy who made a mistake and is listening to bad advice. He's scared shitless but doesn't realize that the Giants take care of their own. This isn't the Jets or Eagles. The Giants are in the business of winning but they don't lose sight of what's important and they err on the side of the player's well being time and time again.

JPP isn't a scumbag or a POS. HE's just not making smart decisions because he's terrified that his ability to earn money is at stake. I feel bad for the guy. Just wish he'd come to camp and let the Giants take care of him. It would help everyone. If this was a team like Philly I wouldn't blame him for hiding out. They'd fuck him every which way until Sunday just like they did Steve Smith.


This! +100
Good god  
grizz299 : 8/18/2015 12:53 pm : link
What does being a minority have to do with it / with anything.

I love Reese, i think he's done a great job. I just think the modern game when the cap is so important, Free agency so penalizing and a dozen other factors mean that it doesn't get any better than two superbowls in a decade.

I don't love Reese because he's a minority. If I didn't like him I'd fire him in spite of being a minority. It's simply not a factor.

Who was the little Black coach who failed when he moved from co ordinator to HC...twice. He was a man, when Sharpton tried to take issue with his firing he stopped the race baiting Reverend cold. He simply wasn't a good head coach...helluva man though.
Reese won't get fired  
Dave M : 8/18/2015 1:12 pm : link
Even though he hasn't done that great of a job I can't see him being fired without at least being able to bring in his own coach. He's never hired a coach.
Reading comprehension is not Mike in St. Louis' strong suit  
WillieYoung : 8/18/2015 1:27 pm : link
When he said he's beyond annoyed he wasn't speaking valley girl. He was saying he's over being annoyed. Thisd is clear from the next sentence:
“I wish he’d handled it better but we’re beyond that.
After you have so many mid round draft picks  
eclipz928 : 8/18/2015 1:30 pm : link
fail to develop into decent offensive linemen you have to look pass the GM and start holding the coaching accountable. It's not like Reese was just pulling guys like Brewer, Petrus, and Mosley out of a hat when the Giants drafted them - these were rated players, most of whom were projected to be drafted where they were taken.

And what always gets overlooked is the talent that Reese brought in through FA. Guys like Baas, Andrews, Locklear, and Schwartz were all good signings. But yet I suppose people expect the GM to possess some kind of wizardry to know in advance when his players are going to suffer catastrophic injuries and use magic to fill out a 53-man roster with nothing but star players.

The fact that we're even talking about Jerry Reese's culpability on a thread with the topic of what to do with a player who blew his own hand off tells you all you need to know about the lack of rationale people have when it comes to this GM.
RE: Mara has spoken out in a negative fashion but it's at the END of the  
mdc1 : 8/18/2015 7:02 pm : link
In comment 12423760 JohnB said:
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year, not the beginning.

This doesn't bode well for Reese and Co.


I doubt it. They are a scared and lazy bunch. Imagine the buffons they would hire with the problems we have to turn it around.
Eli  
PaulN : 8/18/2015 10:23 pm : link
Won 2 Superbowls and could do it again, but having a good OLine is essential to hi, if you are the GM and do not know that, or you think that the OLine should be fine with what you have done then you are then just a part of the problem, in fact you may be the biggest part of the problem. The other big problem that may be even a bigger problem then Reese is the injuries, when you lead the league every year, then you are doing something wrong, who hired those guys, now is all the injuries on them, not at all, but there are some, and the injuries to players working out should never happen , NEVER! that is inexcusable.
RE: Jawn could end this tomorrow  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/18/2015 10:24 pm : link
In comment 12423956 HomerJones45 said:
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Just say JPP is not going on the NFI list, JPP will sign the tender and will be in the next day.

As for not playing for the Giants again, did you guys watch the defense against the Bengals' #1's? We can't afford to toss guys aside who can possibly play and this is our best defensive player.


Why would they do that. If he's out for the season they pay him 14 million and he. Might have to franchise him again as an UFA? Even if he comes back great in 2016 it's moronic to pay him for a full season with zero idea if he can never play again ever
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