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Some interesting notes and observations at Monday's practice

NYGmen58 : 8/19/2015 12:10 pm
In no particular order:

- Giants spent a lot of time in individual and team drills working on and running screen plays to Jennings, Williams, and of course Vereen.

- Jerome Cunningham was getting a lot of reps with the first team offense. He was often used in an H-back/"move TE" role, splitting out wide, lining up in the backfield, and motioning across the formation.

- The defense showed a couple of interesting looks, including a front with the two DTs down in 3-point stances and the DE's standing up like outside linebackers (I saw Moore and Kennard being used in this DE/OLD hybrid role). I saw Kennard also lining up with his hand in the dirt at DE, presumably for a passing situation (Kennard was an excelled pass rusher at USC and showed his ability to get to the QB last year so this could be a great role for him on 3rd downs). Cullen Jenkins was working at traditional DE as well.

- I watched the Giants working on a Special Teams drill that involved one player running about 5-10 yards in one direction then pealing back to block another player running behind him in that same direction (simulating blocking on a kickoff return)and Geremy Davis did an excellent job picking up and walling off his man. Herzlich and Kerry Wynn also excelled in this drill. Double-O seemed to struggle and afterwards was pulled aside by Larry Izzo who was coaching him up on technique.

- Julian Talley quietly having a very strong camp. Still a longshot to make the team but he has shown great hands and ability to get open. Corey Washington has shown great ability to locate and catch the ball but seems to have trouble getting separation with DBs.

- Aside from Prince and DRC, the CB that has stood out the most is Mike Harris. He is undersized but is great in coverage and always seems to be in good position to make a play on the ball.

- I noticed John Jerry was working at Right Tackle with the 2nd group. Not sure whether to read into this too much but the Giants are clearly looking for guys to be versatile on that right side, be it Schwartz (who's worked at Tackle as well), and Moseley who has been working at RG and RT.

- 2nd Team Left Guard Adam Gettis absolutely buried Kendrick Ellis on a run play. Ellis pounded the ground in frustration.

- 2nd Team Left Tackle Emmett Cleary has looked vert good as a pass protector. Haven't seen enough of him to evaluate him as a run blocker but don't count him out to make this team to back up Flowers on the blind side.

- I am not a big Markus Kuhn fan (never have been), and while he is clearly on the bubble at this point, it is clear what the Giants see in him. In some of the defensive linemen agility drills he by far had the best footwork and was the quickest, most nimble/agile guy of the bunch. He is clearly a gifted athlete for a man of his size, just not a very good football player.
Thanks for posting!  
okiegiant : 8/19/2015 12:14 pm : link
I love camp reports.
Thanks for your detailed report!  
NewBlue : 8/19/2015 12:15 pm : link
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Kennard  
KWALL2 : 8/19/2015 12:18 pm : link
To have any chance we need this guy to really step up in that pass rushing role.

Thanks for posting.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/19/2015 12:18 pm : link
Thanks!
good eye on the standup ends  
area junc : 8/19/2015 12:19 pm : link
Spags used some 34 in the 2nd half of the game
RE: good eye on the standup ends  
NYGmen58 : 8/19/2015 12:22 pm : link
In comment 12425698 area junc said:
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Spags used some 34 in the 2nd half of the game


To clarify, it was not a 3-4 front I was referring to. It was still a 4-3 look but the "Ends" we standing up.

But yes, I did see some 3-4 being used late in the game last week as well.
u wrote it fine  
area junc : 8/19/2015 12:25 pm : link
it just reminded me. think its a good fit for our impact players
Kenrick Ellis clearly hasn't learned his lesson...  
FranknWeezer : 8/19/2015 12:27 pm : link
...he's still pounding things.
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I had been wondering  
halfback20 : 8/19/2015 12:28 pm : link
About Mike Harris. Seemed like he played decent when given an opportunity last year.
RE: I had been wondering  
NYGmen58 : 8/19/2015 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12425713 halfback20 said:
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About Mike Harris. Seemed like he played decent when given an opportunity last year.


He was a bright spot on defense down the stretch as the nickel/slot CB. He made plays in coverage (INT against the Eagles) as well as a blitzer (sack against the Titans).

If it were up to me, my 5 CBs would be DRC, Prince, Brown, Harris, and Wade.
good stuff  
JonC : 8/19/2015 12:35 pm : link
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Good stuff, thanks for posting NYGmen58!  
Victor in CT : 8/19/2015 12:44 pm : link
the first 2 items seem like attempts to help the OL by using short routes and giving them extra help.

Jerry may be better suited to RT than RG. Seems to me his biggest problem is lack of strength in the running game. He get blown up into the backfield too often. Not as big an issue at RT, the H Back role could be to help the weaker Tackle.
Thanks  
AcidTest : 8/19/2015 12:56 pm : link
Great stuff. Much appreciated.
Victor Cruz & OBJ  
SHO'NUFF : 8/19/2015 1:18 pm : link
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SHO'NUFF : 8/19/2015 1:20 pm : link
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nice summary, thank you!  
Les in TO : 8/19/2015 1:49 pm : link
Interesting that Gettis pancaked Ellis.
thanks for posting  
Tuckrule : 8/19/2015 1:49 pm : link
any news good or bad on mcbride. Liked him a lot as a nickel and he can play the outside. Have not heard a single word on this guy
I'm telling you  
SirYesSir : 8/19/2015 2:29 pm : link
Gettis has been impressive. would love to see him play some with the ones vs. Jax
I try not to look to much into these camps,  
prdave73 : 8/19/2015 3:36 pm : link
the Giants need to prove themselves on the field against other teams first before giving them praise..
Nice report!  
HomerJones45 : 8/19/2015 3:49 pm : link
thanks
Great stuff  
nygirlie : 8/19/2015 4:59 pm : link
More please.
Maybe this Gettis guy is a find.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2015 5:40 pm : link
My memory isn't the best, but it's been a while since any of the OL have really stood out in summer.
RE: Maybe this Gettis guy is a find.  
Jay on the Island : 8/19/2015 5:52 pm : link
In comment 12426339 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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My memory isn't the best, but it's been a while since any of the OL have really stood out in summer.

Let's hope that Gettis is a find. When the Giants signed Shaun O'Hara nobody expected him to become the player he became for the Giants. He was a backup for Cleveland, after going undrafted, and I believe he mostly played guard for them. BTW O'Hara was only about 303lbs IIRC.
Thank you for pinning this and your appreciate  
NYGmen58 : 8/19/2015 6:34 pm : link
It was my pleasure!

I am going to try to get out to camp on Tuesday and if I can will follow up with another write-up.
RE: Thank you for pinning this and your appreciate  
Disgruntled NYGfan : 8/20/2015 12:01 pm : link

Quote:
- Giants spent a lot of time in individual and team drills working on and running screen plays to Jennings, Williams, and of course Vereen.


- The defense showed a couple of interesting looks, including a front with the two DTs down in 3-point stances and the DE's standing up like outside linebackers (I saw Moore and Kennard being used in this DE/OLD hybrid role). I saw Kennard also lining up with his hand in the dirt at DE, presumably for a passing situation (Kennard was an excelled pass rusher at USC and showed his ability to get to the QB last year so this could be a great role for him on 3rd downs). Cullen Jenkins was working at traditional DE as well.


- Julian Talley quietly having a very strong camp. Still a longshot to make the team but he has shown great hands and ability to get open. Corey Washington has shown great ability to locate and catch the ball but seems to have trouble getting separation with DBs.


- 2nd Team Left Guard Adam Gettis absolutely buried Kendrick Ellis on a run play. Ellis pounded the ground in frustration.

- 2nd Team Left Tackle Emmett Cleary has looked vert good as a pass protector. Haven't seen enough of him to evaluate him as a run blocker but don't count him out to make this team to back up Flowers on the blind side.

- I am not a big Markus Kuhn fan (never have been), and while he is clearly on the bubble at this point, it is clear what the Giants see in him. In some of the defensive linemen agility drills he by far had the best footwork and was the quickest, most nimble/agile guy of the bunch. He is clearly a gifted athlete for a man of his size, just not a very good football player.


We have had the worst screen game for several years. With the issues our OL has, seems like the screen and draw tactics will be able to help, if we can get them right.

Not sure if a castoff OL plowing a DT we had hopes for as run-plugger is good or bad. Everyone gets beaten sometimes, though. Except for Sapp. Just ask him, lol.

Kennard reminds me of Lavar Arrington. Great rushing the passer, great at the POA on running plays. Not so great in coverage. Keep him near the LOS. Could see him in a four aces package for sure.

Maybe Kuhn is played out of position, then. I was 155 lbs. in college and they stuck me at LB (was like a Division infinity school, lol). I was the most agile through the drills too, but no way was I going to be able to take on a big FB in the hole or a big TE at the POA. I kept telling them I wanted to play DB ... Anyway, if he consistently dazzles in drills, but consistently fizzles on the field, the drills don't mean much. Play him somewhere else or send him to Ninja Warrior.

Good news on Cleary. We really need a few guys to step up on the OL, and we are due for some diamond-in-the-rough luck.

I know they don't want to move Pugh  
BlueHurricane : 8/20/2015 12:24 pm : link
But if Schwartz is healthy and we do not bring anyone in our best line to start the season may very well be:

Flowers, Gettis, Richburg, Schwartz, Pugh.
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