From Jordan Raanan's article today:
"• Rookie right tackle Bobby Hart continues to impress. He handled defensive end Owa Odighizuwa's bull rush during 1-on-1s with relative ease and was strong in live drills."
He's been mentioned positively a few times recently (MacAdoo, Reese) but both saying he had some obvious things to grow into (physically, mentally).
I didn't see the game last weekend, do any of the OL geeks have an quick analysis from him last week? Could he make a positive impact as early as this year?
It seems every year I hold out hope that we hit on one of these late round OL "projects". It would make just a huge difference for our season
It started later than usual but I'm starting to get amped up finally for the season to start...
Flowers will be fine.
1st - run engaged LB drove back great looking
2nd - swing pass kept DE in front of him quick pass no serious rush faced.
3rd - speed rusher bent easily free Flowers beat but quick release by Eli so no pressure.
He's built powerfully down low, and if you are squared up on him you aren't going to bull rush him. Furthermore he's capable of getting some push as well. He had some trouble with lateral movement and iirc there was a guy who used a spin move on him pretty effectively.
As an aside, for all the crap the right side of the starting line took, it was Flowers who troubled me the most. He was beat with speed a few times, including a pass rush where he somehow got away with a serious hold. He may be the LT of the future, but right now he's going to need more help blocking on his side than most of us would like.
It's pretty impressive for a 21 year old to have that much strength. Hopefully, he's disciplined and the nuances of how to deal with certain rush moves can be taught.
Dallas went through some growing pains the year they started two rookie tackles, but at this point, with Beatty out for several weeks and Newhouse's issues, I am not averse to putting Hart in there just because he's a rookie.
Someone else here raised the issue that Newhouse is still practicing with the 1s, but I'll keep my fingers crossed that Hart overtakes him. There will be growing pains this year with Flowers, but if we can even put together a line that is league average or even just slightly below average, we should be able to at least partially compensate with the skill position talent we have. What really helped a fairly weak OL last year was Eli getting the ball out quickly. Think we will have more of the same.
2nd - pass drop back - engaged rusher nicely, RB double-team sends DE to the ground. Nice play.
3rd - speed rush outside gets beyond Flowers easily DE doesn't bend well and is too deep. Flowers didn't appear to move feet well here. No pressure as ball was released immediately.
Sorry I was off by a day.
The Giants have to re shuffle their depth chart and need backups and options at RG and RT that they didn't think they needed on April 30. In a season where Beatty is out for 10 games or so and Schwarz is still Schwarz, they need to try everyone at all the open spots and see what combination provides the best potential to start at multiple spots.
Hart is still probably best at Guard. But the Giants need as many options at RT as they can get right now. It's not crazy to give him time at RT and see what he's like at this level. Not this year.
2nd - run play to Jennings, but Flowers takes a pass-block stance against DE who makes a pass rush move toward Eli. He easily is around Flowers and would have had an easy sack had this been a passing play. Flowers didn't just throw him aside and go downfield - he's still trying to block him (here's where I think he was lucky not to get a holding penalty).
3rd - Standard pass rush blocked very effectively. DE gets nowhere going against Flowers here.
4th - pass rush stopped initially but inside spin move seems like it might have been effective. Not sure because quick release dump off to the RB.
2nd - screen to Williams blocked okay cut from behind by Bengals defender on ground.
3rd - draw play DE rushes upfield Flowers stays with him fine no pressure nice block.
4th - short pass to TE Flowers man must be tired he makes no attempt to rush the passer almost like a zone defender. Flowers mirrors well but no contact.
5th - run away from Flowers hard to see the initial action but it appears well blocked by Flowers.
2nd - First long pass attempt downfield (Washington drop). Flowers nice setup as rusher is engaged in good position. DE twists around Flowers fairly easily and is getting too close to Eli as the ball is released.
3rd - running play away from Flowers - nice block.
4th - play-action naked bootleg. Nassib fake handoff to Flowers' side, sold well to DE, RB chips end, well blocked.
5th - power run right side. Here was see Flowers' strength - bullies DE before passing off to LG then takes on LB downfield with nice follow up block, continues with play to the end of a nice run.
6th - pass play Fells chips DE effectively leaving Flowers nobody to block, helps Pugh a little.
7th - run left, Flowers man gets upfield quickly appears to possibly disrupt play a little, run is ineffective as blocking along the line breaks down.
8th - run left Flowers excellent block. stacks DE and doesn't release RB gets first down at goal line.
9th - TD run - another difficult play to evaluate - DE is driven to the ground (+) but directly in the running lane making Darkwa leap early (-).
There are times he looked vulnerable to a speed guy with good bend, but then again so do most tackles in the league. I'm not trying to knock Flowers, but just balance some of the criticism the right side has received while the left appears to have none.
Having said that - I'm really just an amateur and I'm sure guys on here will look at plays I've noted and tell me how I'm wrong. Hoping to learn from that kind of wisdom.
This kid has been the starting RT at FSU since he was 17. Do any of you realize(I know some do on the board) that this is one of top 5-10 programs in the country talent wise?
The kid can flat out play and all I see is mostly shock that the kid can hold is own at RT or he's a natural G? Is there any shock that the kid is more than holding his own at a position he's played for the last 4 years and played at a high level even winning a NC.....come on folks it's not that hard!
Better yet Pugh gets some reps at LT and he excels too. He only started LT for 3 years at SU what the F do you expect? People make this shit more complicated than it needs to be...even the damn coaches.
Don't be shocked if Hart works his way into the lineup and is there for a long time.
This kid has been the starting RT at FSU since he was 17. Do any of you realize(I know some do on the board) that this is one of top 5-10 programs in the country talent wise?
The kid can flat out play and all I see is mostly shock that the kid can hold is own at RT or he's a natural G? Is there any shock that the kid is more than holding his own at a position he's played for the last 4 years and played at a high level even winning a NC.....come on folks it's not that hard!
Better yet Pugh gets some reps at LT and he excels too. He only started LT for 3 years at SU what the F do you expect? People make this shit more complicated than it needs to be...even the damn coaches.
Don't be shocked if Hart works his way into the lineup and is there for a long time.
You're kind of oversimplifying it. Just because a pick was a college starter at a big program doesn't mean he can play at this level.
Mosley was the starting left tackle for Auburn in the SEC. What has that amounted to? The NFL is littered with guys who may have been good college players who failed to translate to the NFL for some reason or another.
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'Bout time.
Watching him play with assertive force, and running downfield to the next levels of the defense (as were Pugh and Richburg) had me shouting at the TV.
It would be a nice return to form if we've managed to pluck an offensive lineman with starting potential with a non premium draft pick. It's been a while. I doubt he's a factor as a starter this season barring further injury or the complete failure of the Schwartz/Newhouse/Jerry combination on the right side.
It would be a nice return to form if we've managed to pluck an offensive lineman with starting potential with a non premium draft pick. It's been a while. I doubt he's a factor as a starter this season barring further injury or the complete failure of the Schwartz/Newhouse/Jerry combination on the right side.
Hart is a different prospect that Petrus and Herman. Petrus was more athletic but not very strong and he didn't have great technique. Herman dominated a low level of competition but he obviously doesn't have the talent to play in the NFL. Hart is very strong has a lot of experience playing for a major program and he has decent technique for a young player. He isn't as athletic as Petrus though.
Dude yes I know his weight room strength was impressive but it didn't translate to the field. He had trouble anchoring against bigger DT's.
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The Oklahoma State game was the first game of the season. I'm sure his less impressive performances earlier in the year were one of the reasons he lasted until 7th round. But what matters is the player we have now. FSU does not hand out grades of 89-90 like candy.
He still has a lot to show, of course. But he has impressed Reese, the most important audience.
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The Oklahoma State game was the first game of the season. I'm sure his less impressive performances earlier in the year were one of the reasons he lasted until 7th round. But what matters is the player we have now. FSU does not hand out grades of 89-90 like candy.
He still has a lot to show, of course. But he has impressed Reese, the most important audience.
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If there's one thing to hang your hat on, it seems like that FSU offensive line flew well under the radar for the draft. The Center, Stork, is doing really well for New England and got the starting job despite being a 4th rounder last year.
My prayer is he works out along with Pugh at OG, Flowers at LT and Richburg at OC - all young guys with upside. If Hart is a true starter as a 7th round pick well maybe we hit the jackpot! I hope so.
But when is the last time you saw two rookies starting on an OL and that OL flourishing? One rookie, sure. Two rookies, yikes!
Real games require experience.
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwarz-Newhouse - this will be the opening day lineup, barring injury. Another possibility is Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Schwarz with Jerry being the second year veteran OG in this offense and Schwarz viewed as a bigger upgrade at RT than RG.
Hard to say but I think we need to see what happens in game 2 of pre-season.
There are times he looked vulnerable to a speed guy with good bend, but then again so do most tackles in the league. I'm not trying to knock Flowers, but just balance some of the criticism the right side has received while the left appears to have none.