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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2015 7:17 pm
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During the pre and regular season inaccuracy has been a problem  
#10* : 8/22/2015 9:16 pm : link
They need to get Eli a better QB Coach.
That was not Newhouses  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:17 pm : link
fault. He held the ball too long, Newhouse is doing a nice job pass blocking
RE: Newhouse is terrible  
Gmen24 : 8/22/2015 9:17 pm : link
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Terrible is a little harsh... He hasn't played that bad
It will be intriguing to see what  
bigbluehoya : 8/22/2015 9:17 pm : link
Combination of DL ends up being the base unit for 1st and 2nd down.

Jenkins look like crap to me.

As of right now my preference would be

Ayers
Ellis/Bromley
Hanky
Odiggy




You need the vet  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:17 pm : link
Who knows the system and still has good years left.

Randle is ailing
Cruz is coming back
and OBJ is young and will be doubled all year

You need Jones, he is a complete WR, Washington is not.
RE: RE: Why is Richburg out?.  
Simms11 : 8/22/2015 9:17 pm : link
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done for the night, not injured.


Thanks, I was starting to worry.
RE: RE: Newhouse is terrible  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:18 pm : link
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Terrible is a little harsh... He hasn't played that bad


One bad play
Emil  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:19 pm : link
I disagree, he gave Nassib time on that play, Nassib held on too long
RE: During the pre and regular season inaccuracy has been a problem  
Toth029 : 8/22/2015 9:19 pm : link
In comment 12430715 #10* said:
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They need to get Eli a better QB Coach.
QB Coach is Mike Sullivan.
Beason  
Andy in Boston : 8/22/2015 9:20 pm : link
Walking around sideline- didn't appear to even have a limp
RE: Emil  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12430725 Headhunter said:
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I disagree, he gave Nassib time on that play, Nassib held on too long


Could be, but he gave up inside leverage. Never a good thing. He has played well tonight though.
RE: During the pre and regular season inaccuracy has been a problem  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:22 pm : link
In comment 12430715 #10* said:
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They need to get Eli a better QB Coach.


Like Mike Sullivan, the guy he had during his 2011 MVP caliber season...the guy that came back this year.

Eli will be fine
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2015 9:22 pm : link
Defense has to tighten up. Too may 5-7 yard gains. Bromley and Ellis appear to offer more than Kuhn...I don't get that.

OL did well until end when both tackles struggled a little. I think Schwartz looks rusty. Hope Richburg is OK...he wasn't in there a lot at the end.

I'm not worried about Eli and Odell.

Williams looked good.
Giants started 0-6 in 2013, my bad.  
RDJR : 8/22/2015 9:23 pm : link
We were 3-3 after six last year and were shut out 27-0 by the Eagles in week 6.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Beason  
Joey in VA : 8/22/2015 9:23 pm : link
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Is done, he's so gdamn slow even when healthy. Now he's hurt? Who cares? He was a spark during a 7-9 year two years ago and he's a huge injury risk who is slow when healthy. Anyone worried hasn't been paying attention to his career since Carolina threw him at us for a late round pick. His body is just shot.



Carl Banks doesn't agree with your assessment of Beason's speed or lack thereof.

I don't care what Carl Banks thinks. I have seen Beason chasing players and losing ground any time he's in there. If you want to listen to crater face and not think for yourself, be my guest, but I trust my eyes.



Let's see, a former NFL LB or Joey in Va? I'll go with the former NFL LB's assessment ...that and I witnessed Beason running downfield after a WR. As far as his injury history goes, it's well chronicled and everyone is well aware of it ... we'll just have to hold our breath and hope he can somehow stay on the field this season.
Way to think for yourself and drink the kool aid so many here are eagerly lapping up. Your next original thought will be your first, have fun with that.
Picture starters who didn't play tonight  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:24 pm : link
in the lineup and give them a chance to play together.
I missed most of the half tonight  
Matt M. : 8/22/2015 9:26 pm : link
Did Schwartz start tonight? At OT? I know he played some tackle. How did he look there? Did Jerry play RG? How did he look?
What I liked from the first half:  
robbieballs2003 : 8/22/2015 9:26 pm : link
I love the defense. Players are in position to make plays. The negative plays on defense have come from players just not making a play other than players not knowing their responsibilities. I saw one play on defense with a guy running free and I think it was DRC's mistake. Everybody looked to be in man coverage and he wasn't with Beason trying to cover for him. Otherwise, I like it so far. It is a work in progress but there is a lot of build off of.

What I didnt like is the offense and, to me, this is a direct reflection of the injuries. The OL hasnt played together enough so we are still trying to figure out the right side which is slowing down the continuity of the whole OL playing as one. One top of that, you can see the lack of timing with Eli and the receivers. I was actually very disappointed with basically our starting OL out there with Nassib and they are giving up too much pressure against second team players. The OL played better against Jacksonville's starting D than it did the backups. That is worrisome. We need these guys on the field to get some continuity not just with the OL but with the receivers.
My  
AcidTest : 8/22/2015 9:26 pm : link
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Good job by the OL. Got beat a few times, but that was mostly on obvious passing plays. Flowers looks excellent.
Lots of miscommunications between Eli and Beckham, and other WRs as well. Eli also wasn't particularly accurate.
Don't see the point of Kuhn. Gets easily blocked and ridden out of plays. Got to hope he and Parker are getting a lot of time because the coaches already know what they have with other players at their position.
Jones looked better than Parker or Washington. Got to figure its Beckham, Cruz, Randle, and Harris for the top four WRs. Davis is probably five. That leaves Jones, Parker, and Washington for the last spot.
Nice push by Bromley and Ellis.
Excellent half by Thomas.
At least they  
Johnny Boy : 8/22/2015 9:27 pm : link
play in a state of the art stadium despite the fact the blue bunting hanging off the stands lopsided .
Odigizuwa  
Andy in Boston : 8/22/2015 9:28 pm : link
With a really nice bull rush at the end - manhandled the jags RT
RE: Odigizuwa  
AcidTest : 8/22/2015 9:29 pm : link
In comment 12430747 Andy in Boston said:
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With a really nice bull rush at the end - manhandled the jags RT


Good to see him contributing.
RE: Odigizuwa  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:29 pm : link
In comment 12430747 Andy in Boston said:
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With a really nice bull rush at the end - manhandled the jags RT


He is relentless
So  
old man : 8/22/2015 9:29 pm : link
Taylor Mays, Jake Long, and Evan mathis, and 10 secondary guys come in for tryout Tuesday?
And TC rips Eli and OBJ a new one at halftime?
I'd feel a lot better with  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:30 pm : link
JPP in there and I dont know what he will be when he gets back, but if he is close to last year that would be huge. I get you cant count on him
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Beason  
Stufftherun : 8/22/2015 9:30 pm : link
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Is done, he's so gdamn slow even when healthy. Now he's hurt? Who cares? He was a spark during a 7-9 year two years ago and he's a huge injury risk who is slow when healthy. Anyone worried hasn't been paying attention to his career since Carolina threw him at us for a late round pick. His body is just shot.



Carl Banks doesn't agree with your assessment of Beason's speed or lack thereof.

I don't care what Carl Banks thinks. I have seen Beason chasing players and losing ground any time he's in there. If you want to listen to crater face and not think for yourself, be my guest, but I trust my eyes.



Let's see, a former NFL LB or Joey in Va? I'll go with the former NFL LB's assessment ...that and I witnessed Beason running downfield after a WR. As far as his injury history goes, it's well chronicled and everyone is well aware of it ... we'll just have to hold our breath and hope he can somehow stay on the field this season.

Way to think for yourself and drink the kool aid so many here are eagerly lapping up. Your next original thought will be your first, have fun with that.


Guess it's just my turn to be the target of the cantakerous Joey and his little tantrums Must be exhausting to be such a pathological whiner.
Markus Kuhn is absolutely horrible  
Anakim : 8/22/2015 9:30 pm : link
He's a liability every time he's on the field. Not only is he completely stonewalled on passing plays and gets no push, but on running plays, he gets pushed around so easily.
preston  
area junc : 8/22/2015 9:30 pm : link
parker is not an NFL player
This team is garbage  
Joey in VA : 8/22/2015 9:30 pm : link
I can't imagine what a team with a competent offense is going to do against this JuCo secondary we have. I'm going to do what I did in the last years of the Fassel era, watch the young guys who show promise and wait for a regime change before I think we have a shot. Reese thinks this team is "close"???? He's as deluded as most of you are. A team that cannot stop the run, run, or defend anywhere is going to stink. We will score at times, this OL will gel and improve but our secondary and LBs are so bad and our pass rush is so meager that we'll be lucky to be in most games against any decent teams.

7-9 at the absolute best. If we win 9 games, I will donate a grand to BBI next year and wear a "headhunter was right" T-shirt. I don't see a football team, not in the least, I don't give a good flying fuck if you've been watching football since the 1850s, I will put what I know up against you or anyone here 10 times out of 10 and we'll see who ends up being right. It sucks, I want this team to be good and challenge for a ring but it's got zero chance this year, absolute zero. Unless a plane carrying the Cowboys and Eagles goes down in flames, we aren't competing for a playoff spot or a division title. This team stinks.
RE: I missed most of the half tonight  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12430742 Matt M. said:
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Did Schwartz start tonight? At OT? I know he played some tackle. How did he look there? Did Jerry play RG? How did he look?


He did not start, came in during the 2nd. Played RG and RT, played well, but so did Newhouse. Not sure about Jerry, but he didn't stink out there.
Great work TC  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:31 pm : link
on the Jay Fund, more important than playing a kids game
we're  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2015 9:31 pm : link
going to have to pick up another safety off of the street just to practice next week. Currie must have fractured his ankle.
RE: I missed most of the half tonight  
robbieballs2003 : 8/22/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12430742 Matt M. said:
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Did Schwartz start tonight? At OT? I know he played some tackle. How did he look there? Did Jerry play RG? How did he look?


I am pretty sure Schwartz didn't start. When he came in he had a good block although he got beat inside. He had his ups and downs. He has to get res because he needs to get his footwork down. He has to bend a little more. He stands up too high. I remember that last year when he injured his toe. He stands up too high and defenders get underneath him. He relies too much on his upper body strength. He is a very strong player so he can get away with that sometimes but hopefully with more practice he will get his legs under him better.
RE: What I liked from the first half:  
RDJR : 8/22/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12430743 robbieballs2003 said:
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I love the defense. Players are in position to make plays. The negative plays on defense have come from players just not making a play other than players not knowing their responsibilities. I saw one play on defense with a guy running free and I think it was DRC's mistake. Everybody looked to be in man coverage and he wasn't with Beason trying to cover for him. Otherwise, I like it so far. It is a work in progress but there is a lot of build off of.

What I didnt like is the offense and, to me, this is a direct reflection of the injuries. The OL hasnt played together enough so we are still trying to figure out the right side which is slowing down the continuity of the whole OL playing as one. One top of that, you can see the lack of timing with Eli and the receivers. I was actually very disappointed with basically our starting OL out there with Nassib and they are giving up too much pressure against second team players. The OL played better against Jacksonville's starting D than it did the backups. That is worrisome. We need these guys on the field to get some continuity not just with the OL but with the receivers.


I hope it's a long love affair with the defense, because I have a feelin they are going to need your love around week 3 or 4 when nobody else is showing them any.
Joey in VA  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2015 9:32 pm : link
If you donate a grand, we'll spend it on strippers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Beason  
River Mike : 8/22/2015 9:32 pm : link
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Is done, he's so gdamn slow even when healthy. Now he's hurt? Who cares? He was a spark during a 7-9 year two years ago and he's a huge injury risk who is slow when healthy. Anyone worried hasn't been paying attention to his career since Carolina threw him at us for a late round pick. His body is just shot.



Carl Banks doesn't agree with your assessment of Beason's speed or lack thereof.

I don't care what Carl Banks thinks. I have seen Beason chasing players and losing ground any time he's in there. If you want to listen to crater face and not think for yourself, be my guest, but I trust my eyes.



Let's see, a former NFL LB or Joey in Va? I'll go with the former NFL LB's assessment ...that and I witnessed Beason running downfield after a WR. As far as his injury history goes, it's well chronicled and everyone is well aware of it ... we'll just have to hold our breath and hope he can somehow stay on the field this season.

Way to think for yourself and drink the kool aid so many here are eagerly lapping up. Your next original thought will be your first, have fun with that.


Crater Face?! Good grief! Could you possibly have less class?
RE: we're  
AcidTest : 8/22/2015 9:33 pm : link
In comment 12430759 Eric from BBI said:
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going to have to pick up another safety off of the street just to practice next week. Currie must have fractured his ankle.


That really looked ugly. Prayers to him.
RE: ...  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:33 pm : link
In comment 12430732 Eric from BBI said:
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Defense has to tighten up. Too may 5-7 yard gains. Bromley and Ellis appear to offer more than Kuhn...I don't get that.

OL did well until end when both tackles struggled a little. I think Schwartz looks rusty. Hope Richburg is OK...he wasn't in there a lot at the end.

I'm not worried about Eli and Odell.

Williams looked good.


Have not heard or seen anything on Richburg. Nothing mentioned at halftime either. Maybe they just are managing his snaps?

The DT situation just puzzles me. Ellis and Bromley are clearly superior to Kuhn. Kuhn is on skates out there. Bromley penetrates and Ellis is a wall.
cue  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2015 9:33 pm : link
the NY beat reporters writing a ton of "NYG offense sucks" articles this week.
Yeah Prince and JPP  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:33 pm : link
cant help
Darkwa needs to get some carries against the  
RDJR : 8/22/2015 9:35 pm : link
ones next week.
RE: cue  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:36 pm : link
In comment 12430767 Eric from BBI said:
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the NY beat reporters writing a ton of "NYG offense sucks" articles this week.


Good, misinformation to lull the Cowboys defense into a false sense of security in week 1.
Darkwa  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:36 pm : link
was the starter, I would say boo
RE: we're  
Anakim : 8/22/2015 9:36 pm : link
In comment 12430759 Eric from BBI said:
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going to have to pick up another safety off of the street just to practice next week. Currie must have fractured his ankle.


Taylor Mays so some BBIers can actually pretend he's good
Crater Face?! Good grief! Could you possibly have less class?  
David B. : 8/22/2015 9:36 pm : link
How about calling Norv Turner "old pegboard face"?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2015 9:36 pm : link
Big Blue Interactive ‏@BigBlueInteract 1m1 minute ago

Safety Justin Currie has a fractured ankle.
wouldn't say boo  
Headhunter : 8/22/2015 9:37 pm : link
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Josh Brown looks good.  
RDJR : 8/22/2015 9:37 pm : link
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You have to keep Darkwa  
Emil : 8/22/2015 9:37 pm : link
Jennings is one carry away from an injury and Darkwa shows an ability to be a complete back.
Is Gettis good enough to start on this team?  
robbieballs2003 : 8/22/2015 9:37 pm : link
I know they want Pugh at LG but could our best OL be Flowers, Gettis, Richburg, Schwartz, Pugh?

I doubt they will do it because they want Pugh at LG but also because they like to have a veteran next to a young pup on the OL. Still, I think that combo should be given a shot.
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