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Markus Kuhn

B in ALB : 8/23/2015 12:35 am
Now before you feel the compulsion to go wild - I just fucking got home from Buffalo and watched the damn game on DVR. (made it from Niagara Falls to Albany in 4 hours 3 minutes, btw - it's a record for me - and we stopped for 15 minutes at Oneida - so there!).

Kuhn. I patiently read threads and posts about how he has value. How he makes a difference. How he's really good at jumping and getting his hand in the passing lane - despite not getting a fingertip on any passes. This is his value. I read that he's a quasi-captain or some madness? Huh? What the fuck?

I focused on Markus during the first few drives - obviously. Because i'm an asshole. And I played both sides of the line, coach both sides of the line and hope to know a thing or two about this and that. But putting that aside I am absolutely amazed by the fact that this guy is sticking. It's unreal. Tom Quinn-esque. Perhaps worse.

Every. Single. Snap. He gets off slow, stands up, digs his step, tries to gain, and finds himself ON TOP of the engagement battle after the second step in the gap. Meanwhile, the OL is under his breastplate, hooks him, points his thumbs to the fucking sky, puts him in prison and rides his ass down the field. It's kids ball. Folks, he loses EVERY SINGLE TIME.

While he manages to get an initial push with sheer inertia on a PP if the OL takes a bucket step, he's ultimately stood up (easily), leveraged vertically (making his punch completely worthless), then stepped through and under to completely eliminate the tiniest of advantage he created off the snap by playing outside shade as a 1-T DT cracking the C. I've never seen it before in professional football. The last time I saw it - honestly - was a coach telling his DT to jump the snap and dive at the ball. His ass was pointing at the slot corner. Uh. What?

Now that's not the worst (or best depending on your proclivity) part. The worst is watching him do ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING with his hands. He engages and does nothing. He waltzes. He dances. He pushes hsi arms out like he's SHOVING A CHRISTMAS TREE THROUGH THE FRONT DOOR. And ultimately he gets bounced off the line and eliminated.

No. No. No. THAT's not the worst. The worst is watching him do it. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Now I know what you're thinking. But B! His gap responsibility is the A Gap and he's eating blocks. He's doing his job! He's really good at getting no push and jumping up in the air and missing the oncoming pass by six inches! That! Is his value.

Nope. Sorry. There's no value in that.

The absolute worst - and I promise this is it - is the fact that a backup (was it Dominique Hamilton???) came in and immediately established easy leverage on the C, swam his ass like Phelps, got SKINNY and got immediate play-altering pressure on the QB.

Kuhn doesn't use his hands. Doesn't work shoulders, elbows or leverage. He never plays with speed. Never plays fast. He's easily manipulated, moved, turned, reached, and BLOWN THE FUCK OFF THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.

Awful. Just awful. I'm upset. Fuck.

Your comments are most welcome. Holy ass bags. Thanks friends.


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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/23/2015 12:36 am : link
It is odd that not only is he playing in front of Ellis and Bromley, but he is actually starting! What is going on here?
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B in ALB : 8/23/2015 12:38 am : link
In comment 12431100 Eric from BBI said:
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It is odd that not only is he playing in front of Ellis and Bromley, but he is actually starting! What is going on here?


Yeah. Sorry to go off on the site Eric. But it's like i'm personally offended by this. Coming out of college I could have done the EXACT same thing Kuhn is doing now (if not better because my hand work was great). It's bizarre.
OMG what a damning indictment  
FranknWeezer : 8/23/2015 12:40 am : link
I've seen and heard enough. This guy has no business playing meaningful reps on our DL. Unreal we're still wasting time on this guy.
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Del Shofner : 8/23/2015 12:41 am : link
B - time to give Kuhn the Ethiopian restaurant treatment.
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B in ALB : 8/23/2015 12:48 am : link
In comment 12431103 Del Shofner said:
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B - time to give Kuhn the Ethiopian restaurant treatment.


I wouldn't wish that on Kuhn.

Maybe those idiot refs fuck-assing every goddamned call tonight. They deserve it. What a shitshow.

Can't wait for college ball to start.

Hell, gimme some HS ball. At least I can tell a parent to fuck off - your kid is awful (with sensitivity of course) and that's why he should try out for the Color Guard. This shit is ridiculous.
Same thing I saw  
Reale01 : 8/23/2015 12:49 am : link
And he is 29 years old.

I think some positives might be that he works hard in the weight room and studies film.

However, it doesn't translate to performance on the field.
Same thing I saw  
Reale01 : 8/23/2015 12:49 am : link
And he is 29 years old.

I think some positives might be that he works hard in the weight room and studies film.

However, it doesn't translate to performance on the field.
I honestly Laughed out Loud  
dk in TX : 8/23/2015 12:53 am : link
On your rant. Yeah......, Kuhn got to go!
Someone made the point last week in regards to Jayron Hosley being so  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/23/2015 1:06 am : link
high on the depth chart that the Giants are giving him ample reps to sink or swim before finally cutting bait. I think the same is true with Kuhn. I find it hard to believe that the Giants actually think he's one of their 4 best DTs.
The only thing I can think  
robbieballs2003 : 8/23/2015 1:10 am : link
is that sometimes coaches play lesser players with the starters to see if they can do anything or play yourself off the team. You hear coaches all the time say dont pay attention to the depth chart right now. I hope they are serious about then with Kuhn in mind. Bromley and Ellis have to make this team. Jennings and Hankins are making this team. If Kuhn makes this team as a fifth DT over a guy like Darkwa or Hunt I will be pissed.
He's old  
Phil in LA : 8/23/2015 1:14 am : link
and bad at football. Just like when they drafted him.
Also  
Phil in LA : 8/23/2015 1:14 am : link
I do think they defer to seniority in the starting assignments in these preseaon games.
Agreed.  
JFIB : 8/23/2015 1:28 am : link
At first I thought it was throw him in with the ones last week to finally find out what he can do. Failed miserably last week and still started tonight. It's like what the Seahawks did with Stanton except Stanton didn't look nearly as bad as Kuhn does and he was still cut. Its a serious indictment of either the staffs reluctance to cut guys or the shitty depth on this team.
Imo this is mainly why this defense and team  
prdave73 : 8/23/2015 1:51 am : link
Overall looks below average. Starting to question these coaches. Wondering if the Giants made a mistake with our 2nd year offensive cordinator McAdoo.. smh..
Honestly think  
RAIN : 8/23/2015 2:31 am : link
They were giving him the rope to hang himself with tonight. Against the one's. I may be too optimistic.. but the coaches can't be that blind.
Not sure that there's been a lot of praise for Kuhn...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/23/2015 2:56 am : link
I'm the poster who wrote about his play in the Cincy game - then made an apology to him for wanting him cut. The basis for the apology was an acknowledgement that sometimes he may be taking a less glamorous role or assignment - something I had forgotten when I'd previously written him off.

Overall, I haven't seen anything that really impresses me with him, nor have I been clamoring for him to remain on the team. Most importantly I remain as puzzled as everyone else as to why he is not only still starting but getting as many snaps as he did.

I did notice that Bromley (pretty sure he's the guy who replaced Kuhn and got the immediate penetration you were referring to) had at least two plays where he was blown off the ball, even though the DL was much more stout overall with him in the game. Maybe the coaches are withholding a starting position from him in order to teach him about consistency?

Ellis is the obvious replacement for Kuhn it would appear for the role of run stuffer. Let's hope he gets a chance to start against the Jets.
RE: Imo this is mainly why this defense and team  
Devon : 8/23/2015 4:41 am : link
In comment 12431127 prdave73 said:
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Overall looks below average. Starting to question these coaches. Wondering if the Giants made a mistake with our 2nd year offensive cordinator McAdoo.. smh..


Wondering based on what exactly?

Two pre-season games?
I have to join this party......Kuhn actually took me out of the game  
George from PA : 8/23/2015 5:04 am : link
His play pissed me off so much....

He is being taken out by one blocker.

He has no awareness.

In trying to anchor, his back foot actually impedes Beason's penetration to the play.....so in effect, one blocker takes 2 players out......the opposite of what he needs to do.......absolutely infuriating.

My only explaination is they are throwing him into the fire......

Ellis can be a competitive #1 technique with Hankins.....Hankins can swap to #1 with Bromley moving to #3.......Bromley made an impact in his first play......

With Kuhn......you are giving up a 4 yard gain everytime......UGH! Infuriated me!!!!!!! My son had to tell me to stop talking about Kuhn.
I see nothing positive in Kuhn  
DavidinBMNY : 8/23/2015 5:30 am : link
I know the coaches love his work ethic, but come on he is the 6th best DT on this team. Quite honestly the NYG can upgrade this position after Hankins, Bromley and Ellis there's not much there. Jenkins and Kuhn should be on the bubble.

it will be interesting  
bc4life : 8/23/2015 7:06 am : link
to see who starts this week. Strange - it's almost like they have to see Ellis and Bromley together, like you couldn't insert Ellis in for Kuhn for a few plays.
Devon  
bc4life : 8/23/2015 7:09 am : link
Some teams look fairly impressive after their first two games.

This is so unusual it actually makes you wonder about  
Chris L. : 8/23/2015 7:45 am : link
the talent evaluators, The guy is THAT bad. I focused on him as well because I took notice of some of the defenders of him on this site this past week. The guy gets moved around by the OL like he has roller skates on.
Sounds like RG3 situation in Washington  
ZogZerg : 8/23/2015 7:59 am : link
..
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Danny Kanell : 8/23/2015 8:04 am : link
Great rant and couldn't agree more.
While guess if we are going to play these preseason games  
Jimmy Googs : 8/23/2015 8:06 am : link
then snaps have to go to someone.

Cut him after game 4...
Doesn't penetrate, doesn't clog, doesn't pressure the passer  
jeff57 : 8/23/2015 8:14 am : link
He stinks.
I was telling guys in our section last night  
PetesHereNow : 8/23/2015 8:14 am : link
78 is getting blown off the ball every time. He managed to hold his ground on one running play out of the 10-12 he played. I wonder why he is getting starter snaps.
great indictment.  
section125 : 8/23/2015 8:25 am : link
If a former college player sees this, how does the coaching staff not.

Good story or not, there are betterder tackles on this team. Hopefully he is just being used as camp fodder or they are auditioning him for being cut.
RE: RE: Imo this is mainly why this defense and team  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/23/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12431145 Devon said:
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In comment 12431127 prdave73 said:


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Overall looks below average. Starting to question these coaches. Wondering if the Giants made a mistake with our 2nd year offensive cordinator McAdoo.. smh..



Wondering based on what exactly?

Two pre-season games?

I wouldn't waste time wondering about the wondering - "smh" usage is becoming sort of a subset of the Z rule.
Kuhn  
stretch234 : 8/23/2015 9:30 am : link
What bother me about him is the sheer number of times he seems to get turned around. I do not get it.

Bromley and Ellis are currently playing against 2's, but they have been really good. I think you can see the potential with Bromley. Ellis as of now looks looks pretty quick and active for a huge guy - more so than with the Jets

How is Kuhn helping Hankins on the DL right now?
RE: RE: RE: Imo this is mainly why this defense and team  
Greg from LI : 8/23/2015 9:32 am : link
In comment 12431232 Gatorade Dunk said:
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- "smh" usage is becoming sort of a subset of the Z rule.


I heartily endorse this post.
B  
JonC : 8/23/2015 9:33 am : link
I think you covered it all, there's just nothing he does that's even average. He stinks and it's time to go. What Phil said.
Kuhn sucks.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/23/2015 9:34 am : link
No idea how he's starting. Bromley or Ellis should be starting.
He's bad.  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2015 9:34 am : link
He routinely gets driven backwards in the run game, he seldom gets any push on pass plays and seems easily blocked. I'm not sure what the Giants see. I've never liked this dude and the more he plays, the less I can understand what he's doing to earn the time.
He's going to be the stale-wart of this defense  
micky : 8/23/2015 9:42 am : link
For years to come. He's solid
B  
Joey in VA : 8/23/2015 9:50 am : link
I have to admire the work you're doing here lately, you're fast becoming a must read. And of course I agree, Kuhn stinks and has to go.
Kuhn has never shown much of anything  
Greg from LI : 8/23/2015 10:00 am : link
And yes, he has had a small but noisy cheerleading squad here. Great White Dope wrote several lengthy paeans to his future greatness.
What I can't get over is that JR mentions his name  
RDJR : 8/23/2015 10:24 am : link
every time he gets a chance and the Giants have trotted him out, not only as a captain last week, but as a face of the franchise at several events recently. Bizarre.
There was 1 play  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/23/2015 10:31 am : link
Where Kuhn leaned his shoulder into the OG, turned sideways, and kept chugging his feet and didn't move an inch, he was stonewalled...it was ridiculous....like watching a skinny guy trying to move a piano by himself...I actually laughed..yah hes pretty useless.
RE: Someone made the point last week in regards to Jayron Hosley being so  
AcidTest : 8/23/2015 10:32 am : link
In comment 12431118 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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high on the depth chart that the Giants are giving him ample reps to sink or swim before finally cutting bait. I think the same is true with Kuhn. I find it hard to believe that the Giants actually think he's one of their 4 best DTs.


Think so.
Everyone has there favorites  
ghost718 : 8/23/2015 10:41 am : link
The coach has Markus Kuhn,the GM has the JPP of Parking Lot Attendants.

The Giants really need someone to come along and bulldoze about half this roster into the swamp,but that's the opposite of what there thinking is.
I agree 100%  
Matt M. : 8/23/2015 10:43 am : link
Starting and acting as captain last week was one thing. A nod to a guy who's been here a few years. But, after last week, how is he still starting? How is he playing more than Bromley and Ellis? Even if they kept 5 DTs, which isn't likely, I wouldn't want to keep him. He's more than worn out his time here.

As I said during the week, I can understand the initial interest in him and keeping him around for a couple of years. But, he has never progressed in any aspect of his game. On top of that there are several DTs better at him in every way. There is simply no justification in him making the final roster.
Again, I see nothing  
5BowlsSoon : 8/23/2015 10:58 am : link
It's not like he has ever meant anything to us and he has never impressed in any game situation. Send him back to Germany.
He's awful  
Anakim : 8/23/2015 11:16 am : link
He really is one of the worst DTs I have ever seen. He gets no push at all...well, actually that's not true. He gets plenty of push...from the opposing O-Lineman.
I'd add Robinson  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 11:24 am : link
to the Kuhn, Hosley list.

I'm not usually a big fan of B's vitriol (I'm sure the feeling is mutual (: ), but I did have to chuckle at the development of your argument, its eloquence, its vehemence.

What makes it so counter productive is that Ellis in particular is missing out on time vs. first and second teamers so he and Hankins can develop some familiarity, so we can see what he's really got. Same with Bromley. The gashing of the DL early on as was also the case at Cinn was alarming.
I think Spags and Nunn are still figuring out their rotation  
Simms11 : 8/23/2015 2:02 pm : link
at DT too. It appears that Kuhn has gotten stronger and has shown some ability in practice, however, it's certainly not translating to the field. Bromley and Ellis might not be showing as much yet. They have come in to do a decent job in games though. It will be interesting to see how the rotation looks next week going into a very important game; the so-called dress rehearsal game.
I don't know  
Les in TO : 8/23/2015 2:11 pm : link
Coughlin started Diehl in 2013 who at that point was a human turnstile. His veteran fielty sometimes leads to questionable decisions like starting Kuhn
I love Kuhn playing so we rest the  
xman : 8/23/2015 2:19 pm : link
important guys. He will be injured soon so look at it like he is taking one for the team. Let him think he is important when actuaslly he is Camp Fodder
I call Kuhn  
Dirt1 : 8/23/2015 2:37 pm : link
the $20 Whore. Every play he ends up flat on his back!!
Les  
Matt M. : 8/23/2015 4:17 pm : link
At least Diehl has a history of good play for several years at that point. Kuhn has a few years of poor play and never getting any better.
I'd love to be in the film room today  
B in ALB : 8/23/2015 5:56 pm : link
during the coaches meeting and positionals. Just to gauge how they are evaluating Kuhns contribution. And to understand how they aren't cutting his ass.
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