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Nassib and other impressions

ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 12:21 pm
I'm going to start this thread with a reply to a post made by RetroJint on the Postgame discussion thread. There was some silliness there about Nassib, and less focus on him than I believe was warranted. Even though vs. the Jags' twos and threes I think Nassib was one of the positives that came out of last night. Then I go to some other impressions that probably mirror a lot of what others had or have to say.

In comment 12431198 RetroJint said:
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First, he would easily be the starting quarterback on the other 2 New York state teams in the league.... Second he is using the extended handoff technique that guys like Steve DeBerg used ...It allows for a better play fake by showing the second level of the defense the run-option earlier, thus holding up the depth on their coverage drop. Third, as to the assine happy feet angle, those saved him maybe 8 sacks and he made plays downfield on at least 5 occasions that I can remember.


Nassib - Could not agree more. I was impressed by him last night, first time really. On the roll outs, planned or impromptu, he delivers the ball with authority and accuracy. He steps into the throw on the move, which is not easy, and this gives the ball excellent velocity, as well as accuracy. He is nimble and maintains excellent downfield vision. How many of those scrambles was he able to find the open receiver? Often, by my count. I thought Banks' comment that he scrambles to pass rather than run was apt.

On the play w/10:43 remaining in Q4, the 27 yard completion to Harris, Nassib stepped up into the collapsing pocket, I thought 100% certain the DT would nail him from behind, he was within a foot. Nassib got the ball out SO FAST even as the DT was about to wrap him up, and the accuracy was deadly. I have no idea what the posters in the post-game thread who want him traded or complain about the handoffs or talk about happy feet are seeing. Certainly a 180 from what I see. He looked a hell of a lot better than the inconsistent, tentative Eli last night (agree with Joey's comment). And, no, this is not an opinion that Eli should be benched, traded, whatever. He simply has been very ineffective so far.

Other stuff:

Newhouse - I know Eric said PFF graded him out highest last week, but everytime he's in there seem to be breakdowns and deep penetration by the DL over his position.

Beason and Taylor - it's so predictable it's almost laughable and so sad

Darkwa - I hope they find a way to keep him; even in heavy traffic, inside, the pile seems to move forward, and BJ he's not. I lean to him over Hunt, even though the latter has good burst on returns. Tough choices here.

Robinson - in the Hosley/Kuhn categories of guys who have hung around too long and stunk. Are they giving him this much play time to run himself off the roster? I'd much rather see a lot more of Cunningham, even over Donnell, who continues to struggle with ball security. At least Robinson now knows where he is supposed to line up, but his pace and intensity and impact were left somewhere at UCinn doing backflips. Watching him in live action is similar to watching a player doing walk throughs.

Geremy Davis - a find and kudos for this late round pick. The rap on him at UConn was failure to gain separation--and, yes, for the most part he's playing vs. 2nd and 3rd teamers, but his routes are good, he gets good separation, made every catch but one along the sideline on a kind of back shoulder (there was good coverage). Like to see him vs. the 1s next week and see what happens.

OL - didn't see a lot wrong from EF; agree with posters who say he's the real deal. The left side looks solid. LT and LG are in flux, so who knows? Let's hope that Schwartz is not too sore come Monday's briefing. Gettis, Reynolds, and Cleary look better. Any Mosley sightings?

Our d is going to be painful, again: we still can't cover the middle of the field on crossing routes or TEs releasing across the middle. On Jaguars' first or second drive, on a 3rd and 8, I believe, there was no one within 10 yards of the receiver: the coverage at LOS before the snap looked like blown assignments, because there was only one DB (or maybe LB) playing slightly off two Jags' receivers on the left side. It was weird, and sure enough, one of them caught it going over the middle.

As badly as things are going at S, Miles - is awful, stands around, slow to close, passive, or desire on the pass on which the kid #31 had primary coverage on what looked like a post pattern (always forget his name).

Unga (?) looks good, he flashed on that play cutting through the hole vacated by the guard and made the TFLoss. Would like to see more of him. JT Thomas too, obviously, looked good. We need more speed at LB, but Unga, my impression is that he's light and will struggle on running plays directly at his spot.

As often noted, the cuts at WR behind the top four are going to be difficult. I like Jones and Davis better than Washington. Parker fielding puts was sure handed but no room to run; that failed catch on the second (third) drive didn't do him any favors.
I want to take a big bite of crow!  
TC : 8/23/2015 12:42 pm : link
I was very critical of Nassib after the first game, particularly of his passing mechanics. Last night he looked terrific in just about all facets of his game. Not only did he look like he could have started for most NFL teams, he clearly had a better night (But it's only ONE night!) than Eli.

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ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 1:06 pm : link
In prior pre-season play he may or may not have taken as many snaps as he did last night. You could see that he had a feel for the game and got in his rhythm in the pocket and with his receivers. With so many changes in his backfield, on the OL, and with his WRs during his play, that made his command that much more impressive.
I don't like getting balls deflected at the line  
NewBlue : 8/23/2015 1:06 pm : link
It happens to frequently with Manning and last night was a prime example. Manning needs to play like a 20 million dollar QB, I am not specifically referring to last night, but as the 2 Super Bowl wins grow further in the distance, there must be a "What have you done for me lately" mentality.
Why is the contract extension not done? Is management just a tad skeptical?
Col..  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2015 1:13 pm : link
Not sure which pass play you are referring to but we gave up a big play on a 3rd and 2.. we were in a zone and McBride released off of Robinson way too soon and Beason was the only guy left over to the side he was crossing to. Easy completion and a 36 yard gain.
arc  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 1:30 pm : link
it may have been a 3rd and short (I'm not sure about the d&d), but what sticks vividly in my mind is that Jags line up in a spread, one WR left and maybe a slot inside him: Jints showed one DB w/i the TV's upstairs shot (I could not see any Ss at the edge of the screen); the WR broke up and out, I think, the slot on the crossing pattern (but the two roles could have been reversed) and it may well be that Beason had the assignment to cover the receiver crossing. I could have missed McBride backing out, but leaving the slot/WR to Beason is not a match-up we should be looking to replicate.

Nassib is in QB purgatory  
SHO'NUFF : 8/23/2015 1:34 pm : link
That was my very first thought when we drafted him.
NewBlue  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 1:38 pm : link
it was tough watching Eli's play. Banks was not shy about saying Eli was misfiring, so I don't think anyone here has to apologize for expecting to see better from him. To me he looked tentative (even, that famous word, sk...sh before the snap), and it's not as though J'ville is known as a feared pass rush team. Parker dropped a very catchable ball, but all (but maybe one) the passes to ODB were misplaced.

And it could be added, because I don't think it was mentioned on the post-game thread, Eli was not under a heavy rush. The protection was decent to good.

Maybe all the offfield discussion about his extension this week was a distraction, but I don't buy that as an excuse.
Eli doesn't need an excuse.  
Devon : 8/23/2015 1:49 pm : link
It was the pre-season. He stunk in a practice game. He's stunk in plenty of them before. He will stink in some again.

Giants fans should know better by now than to put much stock in them, especially when it comes to him or any QB (sigh, the days of BBI claiming David Carr was better than most starters...).

There's never been any connection, for better or worse, between the games that don't count and the real season for him. He's had good seasons after wretched pres, bad after bad, mediocre after good, etc.
couple more thoughts on the roll-outs  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 1:49 pm : link
As noted, Nassib was excellent on the move, maintained his vision down the field, stepped into his throws, delivering with authority and velocity, very accurately, through the roll-out.

As I think about this, I believe that all his roll-outs were to the right. It's a very different delivery when a right arm throwing QB rolls left because you have to (most times) throw across your body and that affect delivery angle and possibly velocity and accuracy. It would be instructive to see what he can do rolling left.

When Eli is on the move, two things I observe are that i) most often the ball floats a bit and he tends to deliver high, unless it is right down the sideline with which he is drawing even; I think this is a function of the fact that he does not step forcefully into the throw, or ii) Eli pulls up, stops, and then delivers. Because he has never been fleet of foot, this allows the DL or LB chasing him out of the pocket an instant or two to close down and get contact.

Just a point of comparison.
Devon  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 1:53 pm : link
it's true, and we shouldn't get caught up in a lousy performance in a pre-season game, full stop.

Joey made the point that a performance such as last night's is a reminder of how inconsistent he can be during the season. The ups and downs can be maddening and frustrating to a fan.
I believe Mosley  
Jay in Toronto : 8/23/2015 2:01 pm : link
was hurt and scratched
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/23/2015 2:07 pm : link
Mosley didn't play.

On the deep post, it was Meriweather who didn't get back, not Miles.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/23/2015 2:08 pm : link
I'm through the late second quarter.

So far, most of the OL breakdowns are coming from Jerry at right guard or Schwartz at right tackle.
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ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 2:13 pm : link
thanks, Jay, now that you mention that, it rings a bell. What is it with him, Taylor, et. al that they are hurt so early in camp that the coaches can't get a read of how they will/can compete?

I wonder if fear of injury is why they are limiting Jennings so severely in pre-season. He got, what, two touches at most last night that I recall.
SHO'NUFF  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 2:25 pm : link
Do you know what Nassib's contract status is? If he was given the more or less standard four years (different for lower round picks?), that would mean he becomes FA after 2016 season?
Eric  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 2:28 pm : link
could be I was seeing Jerry but thinking it was Newhouse, but when they were both in, which I think was most of the 1st team snaps, it was leaky on that side. Schwartz def. looked better at RG than RT.
Why Should Eli Get A Pass  
Jeffrey : 8/23/2015 2:31 pm : link
I know it's preseason but the guy knows the team needs continuity and to get the offense going. His career has been marked by streaks and inconsistencies with respect to his accuracy. Eli has always been accountable. I doubt if Eli is giving himself a pass for the first two preseason games. Why are others? He needs to pick it up sooner than later.
ColHow  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/23/2015 2:36 pm : link
Newhouse's pass pro really deteriorated on the last drive of the half. He was doing fine until then but gave up pressure and then a sack on back-to-back plays. #68 on the Jaguars was giving him problems.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/23/2015 2:39 pm : link
#98 (not 68)
Bills Would Be in Much Better Shape  
clatterbuck : 8/23/2015 3:23 pm : link
if Morrone had drafted Nassib instead of Manuel. Giants got a lot of flack for moving up to draft him but Nassib, though still a work-in-progress looks like he can play.
Can't draw any conclusions  
5BowlsSoon : 8/23/2015 4:37 pm : link
Until he starts against the ones.
Eli  
NewBlue : 8/23/2015 5:07 pm : link
Manning is above reproach here and with virtually all Giants fans. It's time to admit that there are very evident flaws in his game, and I am not 100% certain that the Offensive Line is not something of a deflection, no pun intended.

Our lines have been sub-par recently, but what of the Packers OL, and the Pats had tons of injuries to their OL in recent years, there comes a point where a 20 million dollar player must find a way to score points consistently. I know our running game has been pathetic, but you ever watch some other teams in the league try to run? 2 Super Bowls will put him in the history books and in our hearts forever, but let's not be blind to some of his consistent inconsistencies.
RE: Eli  
JCin332 : 8/23/2015 5:49 pm : link
In comment 12431843 NewBlue said:
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Manning is above reproach here and with virtually all Giants fans. It's time to admit that there are very evident flaws in his game, and I am not 100% certain that the Offensive Line is not something of a deflection, no pun intended.

Our lines have been sub-par recently, but what of the Packers OL, and the Pats had tons of injuries to their OL in recent years, there comes a point where a 20 million dollar player must find a way to score points consistently. I know our running game has been pathetic, but you ever watch some other teams in the league try to run? 2 Super Bowls will put him in the history books and in our hearts forever, but let's not be blind to some of his consistent inconsistencies.


I wish I was blind to your consistently inconsistent ramblings..
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ColHowPepper : 8/23/2015 6:20 pm : link
now, boys, keep it civil, please. JCin332, the poster was simply pointing out what is plain to see for all Giants fans, those who give Eli unconditional love as well as those who look at him through a perhaps more objective lens. He has been clutch, he's in Giants' lore forever, Patriots too, and he is a very good QB, sometimes superlative, but also capable of bouts of ordinary, bonehead play, back foot throws, etc. Not all is due to the inconsistencies of the OL. He is streaky.

But this thread is more about Nassib who showed us something last night, something that hopefully Giants' fans can hang their hat on in case the unthinkable happens.

It will be interesting to see the snaps allocated to Eli and Nassib vs. the Jets, because it's obvious Eli and his WRs need the work together. Does RR return next w/e?
Oh, fuck me  
Bramton1 : 8/23/2015 6:32 pm : link
Not this shit again.
RE: ...  
Boy Cord : 8/23/2015 10:24 pm : link
In comment 12431558 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm through the late second quarter.

So far, most of the OL breakdowns are coming from Jerry at right guard or Schwartz at right tackle.


Jerry? Now I didn't expect that.
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