Coughlin on why Markus Kuhn is starting...

why is anyone surprised when Coughlin says or does something stupid or stubborn?

were are starting him because we want to make sure he really sucks before we cut him or

We are a bit lost right now and Kuhn is, well, I don't know...Challenged?

or utter incompetence. Kuhn is terrible.

In comment 12431939 Big Blue '56 said:

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says in pre-season as gospel? Chill, he's a backup, if he makes the team at all, imo

A backup who could fall into a starter considering injuries..with history, it could very well be for several games this year

In comment 12432020 oldutican said:

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why is anyone surprised when Coughlin says or does something stupid or stubborn?

Kuhn is like a son-in-law to him.

gets, the less chance one of our other DT's gets hurt so I am fine with this. As long as he ain't starting Week 1.

is that Ellis or Bromley would be a better option, but they haven't yet displayed either the level of effort or understanding of the defense necessary for the team to reward them with a promotion.

but I have never seen a bigger divide between what the coach and players say (Jenkins also spoke highly of Kuhn) and what the BBIers say. Something's strange.

In comment 12432057 81_Great_Dane said:

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but I have never seen a bigger divide between what the coach and players say (Jenkins also spoke highly of Kuhn) and what the BBIers say. Something's strange.

I agree. bizarre.

All seem to be thought of more highly by the coaching staff than BBI

Reading posts here makes it sound as if these guys are the four worst players to ever don a football uniform

I tend to side with BBI.

has cost us.

the answer is usually; the money.

The NFL has been drooling over the revenue potential of the EU for years. How many Europeans are there? Heck, how many Germans? Don't NFL teams have a revenue sharing plan? Despite little to no native interest in the sport of American football, the NFL has worked ceaselessly to get the game over there.

Well, Kuhn may be a lousy NFL DT, but he's a lousy German DT, who played the game while still in Germany. Think that does anything to help start building a fan base in Rhinehessen? The Giants are one of the highest profile NFL teams, and if you asked most Europeans to name one U.S. city, what do think the answer would be?

and save the coaches from themselves and cut Kuhn

This preseason is about making a decision on them. They have been here long enough. IMO we are playing them to see if they can cut it for larger roles, if not they are gone for younger players. I don't read too much into them playing a lot early in preseason.

In comment 12432128 TC said:

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the answer is usually; the money. The NFL has been drooling over the revenue potential of the EU for years. How many Europeans are there? Heck, how many Germans? Don't NFL teams have a revenue sharing plan? Despite little to no native interest in the sport of American football, the NFL has worked ceaselessly to get the game over there. Well, Kuhn may be a lousy NFL DT, but he's a lousy German DT, who played the game while still in Germany. Think that does anything to help start building a fan base in Rhinehessen? The Giants are one of the highest profile NFL teams, and if you asked most Europeans to name one U.S. city, what do think the answer would be?

Sorry. But no way.

I'd be more inclined to believe that Strahan has something to do with him sticking based on their mutual connection to Mannheim, Germany. And that's even completely absurd.

The only thing I can think is happening is that Kuhn is taking reps against first teamers to make it easier for the "second stringers" to get some sort of confidence and unity against lesser competition. And that's even completely absurd.

Talk about grasping at straws.

Are the Maras German?

Coughlin is Irish.

What is Reese? German?

Bobby Nunn is definitely German. That's it! Solved!

What the fuck?

ripped him for last night. He was wedged; they doubled him. But I cannot see Coach saying he holds the point. Kuhn can't. He comes off & chases ok. Not sure what shitty players Coughlin has favored over the years that hurt the Giants. He has played a lot of shitty players the last few seasons, but there is a good reason for that. However, if Kuhn opens the season as a starting DT, I will truly be shocked.

what does my theory have to do with ethnic loyalty?

It could be wrong, but it certainly hasn't anything to do with ethnic loyalty.

Beside, everybody's favorite relative is - $ $ $ $!

In comment 12432199 TC said:

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what does my theory have to do with ethnic loyalty? It could be wrong, but it certainly hasn't anything to do with ethnic loyalty. Beside, everybody's favorite relative is - $ $ $ $!

TC. My reply is meant to convey that it has something to do with ANYTHING other than actual performance. Thus lending credence to your post. Sorry I wasn't clearer in with my sarcasm.

It only matters what he does. And if he starts Kuhn or plays him a lot, he's just greasing the path to his own retirement

coughlin likes veteran guys who are "hard workers" and follow his rules to the tee, even if their performance does not justify being on the field due to age/injury/talent deficiencies (see david Diehl circa 2013). I'm not buying that this is just a preseason ploy or a test to see if he's worth keeping around. that's overanalyzing things. Kuhn is playing with the first teamers and unless that changes in the next two games, it looks like he is our starting DT.

I don't know what he's been watching, but Kuhn has been pushed around at an absurd rate. He gets no push on the line and doesn't stop the run like his teammates Ellis and Bromley.

or might that be Spagnollo?

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nailed it! - ( New Window )

the last 2 weeks don't sound like pre-season "coach speak" to me. They sound dangerous that the coaching staff still really likes Kuhn, for some strange reason.

I don't buy most of them.

If anything he's likely sending a message to the non-starters (Bromley, Ellis) that if they want a spot they need to show that they can anchor.

Generally I think you've got the coach answering the question genuinely, although it will be interesting to see if things don't change this week after the Jags game.

Coughlin favors players who practice hard and know their assignments over people who are physically better and play better. It is one of his worst faults and may be his undoing. The thing is though is that it isn't even consistent. Once he locks onto a veteran player... It's over. There is almost nothing they can do to loose the job. Nicks and Bradshaw went through weeks where they didn't practice, could barely walk, and played poorly. And still they were put there every week.

If Kuhn starts over Bromley or Ellis, then TC doesn't deserve to be a head coach anymore. There have been too many instances on this team in the past few years where the backup appears to be better. I would have thought Spagnolo determines who starts but I guess not.
I do hope this is just an audition. But given recent history I am not optimistic.

If we had a more flexible coach, Hart would be considered at RT, Unga would make it over Herz, etc.

In comment 12432171 B in ALB said:

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In comment 12432128 TC said: Quote: the answer is usually; the money. The NFL has been drooling over the revenue potential of the EU for years. How many Europeans are there? Heck, how many Germans? Don't NFL teams have a revenue sharing plan? Despite little to no native interest in the sport of American football, the NFL has worked ceaselessly to get the game over there. Well, Kuhn may be a lousy NFL DT, but he's a lousy German DT, who played the game while still in Germany. Think that does anything to help start building a fan base in Rhinehessen? The Giants are one of the highest profile NFL teams, and if you asked most Europeans to name one U.S. city, what do think the answer would be? Sorry. But no way. I'd be more inclined to believe that Strahan has something to do with him sticking based on their mutual connection to Mannheim, Germany. And that's even completely absurd. The only thing I can think is happening is that Kuhn is taking reps against first teamers to make it easier for the "second stringers" to get some sort of confidence and unity against lesser competition. And that's even completely absurd. Talk about grasping at straws. Are the Maras German? Coughlin is Irish. What is Reese? German? Bobby Nunn is definitely German. That's it! Solved! What the fuck?

Thank you B.

In comment 12432444 Kanavis said:

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Coughlin favors players who practice hard and know their assignments over people who are physically better and play better. It is one of his worst faults and may be his undoing. The thing is though is that it isn't even consistent. Once he locks onto a veteran player... It's over. There is almost nothing they can do to loose the job. Nicks and Bradshaw went through weeks where they didn't practice, could barely walk, and played poorly. And still they were put there every week. If Kuhn starts over Bromley or Ellis, then TC doesn't deserve to be a head coach anymore. There have been too many instances on this team in the past few years where the backup appears to be better. I would have thought Spagnolo determines who starts but I guess not. I do hope this is just an audition. But given recent history I am not optimistic. If we had a more flexible coach, Hart would be considered at RT, Unga would make it over Herz, etc.

Well said.

In comment 12432208 B in ALB said:

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In comment 12432199 TC said: Quote: what does my theory have to do with ethnic loyalty? It could be wrong, but it certainly hasn't anything to do with ethnic loyalty. Beside, everybody's favorite relative is - $ $ $ $! TC. My reply is meant to convey that it has something to do with ANYTHING other than actual performance. Thus lending credence to your post. Sorry I wasn't clearer in with my sarcasm.

Ah, my mistake. The sarcasm was clear, but I thought it was aimed at the absurdity of TC's post

I don't think his coaching philosophy has unraveled. He is very patient with players that show potential. Kuhn is a guy who'd getting maximum attention from the coaching staff... I see it more as a 'make or break.' At least nobody will be able to say Kuhn didn't get a decent shot at cracking the lineup.

this crap. Kuhn blows

One thing I'm certain of, TC is not losing it..He always has reasons, some of which have been stated here..

Unless he's the last man standing on the DL, MK is NOT starting on opening day..He may not even make the 53 imo

In comment 12432517 Big Blue '56 said:

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One thing I'm certain of, TC is not losing it..He always has reasons, some of which have been stated here.. Unless he's the last man standing on the DL, MK is NOT starting on opening day..He may not even make the 53 imo

Agree BB56. But it begs the question: Why is this guy taking valuable reps away from Bromley and Ellis?

In comment 12432577 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 12432517 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: One thing I'm certain of, TC is not losing it..He always has reasons, some of which have been stated here.. Unless he's the last man standing on the DL, MK is NOT starting on opening day..He may not even make the 53 imo Agree BB56. But it begs the question: Why is this guy taking valuable reps away from Bromley and Ellis?

A lesson? As Mort C has said in the past(and still the most brilliant description of TC, imo), "Coughlin doesn't take a piss without a plan." Seriously, I am not concerned at all..

"valuable reps" to be had in a preseason game. Most are played without specific gameplans in place and they are nothing more than glorified scrimmages.

Year after year, we'll see a bubble guy get a lot of reps to see if they can shine. If they do, they stick - if they don't, they get cut.

I believe Kuhn is at that stage right now.

In comment 12432579 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12432577 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 12432517 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: One thing I'm certain of, TC is not losing it..He always has reasons, some of which have been stated here.. Unless he's the last man standing on the DL, MK is NOT starting on opening day..He may not even make the 53 imo Agree BB56. But it begs the question: Why is this guy taking valuable reps away from Bromley and Ellis? A lesson? As Mort C has said in the past(and still the most brilliant description of TC, imo), "Coughlin doesn't take a piss without a plan." Seriously, I am not concerned at all..

HA!! FUNNY!

In comment 12432583 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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"valuable reps" to be had in a preseason game. Most are played without specific gameplans in place and they are nothing more than glorified scrimmages. Year after year, we'll see a bubble guy get a lot of reps to see if they can shine. If they do, they stick - if they don't, they get cut. I believe Kuhn is at that stage right now.

So one hopes, from all I read here.

but I think FMiC's post you just replied to, probably makes the most sense, imv

In comment 12432583 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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"valuable reps" to be had in a preseason game. Most are played without specific gameplans in place and they are nothing more than glorified scrimmages. Year after year, we'll see a bubble guy get a lot of reps to see if they can shine. If they do, they stick - if they don't, they get cut. I believe Kuhn is at that stage right now.

who are some bubble guys who the Giants started in the preseason in previous years? I can't recall any at the moment. I know bubble guys get a lot of the playing time with second and third teamers, but barring injury usually projected starters get the start in preseason.

you had Michael Cox and John Conner.

The year before you had Barden, Sash, Marvin Austin and Ojomo.

You'll see a pattern where in preseason games 2 and 3 where guys get extended looks. That isn't good.

Now, I will admit that TC's comments are a bit unusual, but I'm hoping it is more to show other players that if you work hard, you'll get noticed - and then they cut Kuhn:)

He's gotten fairly regular playing time over the past two seasons. It should have been obvious before this preseason how much he sucks.

but how do explain defensive captain?

..I don't know what to say. He's a JAG. Plays with crappy pad level consistently. He gets moved off the ball consistently.

I saw more from Bromley in his first five snaps vs Jax than Kuhn has shown in his career. If he makes this club I'll start to question TC in a serious way for the first time since he took the reins.

In comment 12432583 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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"valuable reps" to be had in a preseason game. Most are played without specific gameplans in place and they are nothing more than glorified scrimmages. Year after year, we'll see a bubble guy get a lot of reps to see if they can shine. If they do, they stick - if they don't, they get cut. I believe Kuhn is at that stage right now.

I think running with the starters and the team captain bit is overkill if they just want to give him an extended look. I have an awful feeling he's somehow going to be the opening day starter.

to throw a player under the bus at a press conference. Plus if he craps on him and cuts him what do you think Kuhn's chances of being picked up by another team are?

No TC is not going to raw guy at a press conference.

If Kuhn starts opening day it's because, Spags chose him, not Coughlin, right?

Raw = destroy

I think most people know what Kuhn's talent level is. He's a rotation/system guy at best. He seems to work hard and be a good team guy, but it's evident he's not very good. There's no reason to rip him a new one in public. The starters are Hankins and probably the new guy we got from the Jets.