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Nassib was impressive

KWALL2 : 8/25/2015 11:55 pm
I just finished watching the JAX game. Nassib did not workout well before the draft but doesn't he have excellent feet and movement? Doesn't move like a guy who ran a 5+ second 40.

In this JAX game he really impressed with his arm talent, footwork, and overall athletic ability. He can snap out nice throws especially on the move.

I don't care if it was against backups. That doesn't matter to me. He had several big time throws that a lot of starters can't make. Throws a very tight ball while moving. Snaps it out easy with power. He had several beauties to Jones. A few others while getting hit.

He looked outstanding to me. I liked him coming out of college. Really liked what he did in this game. I'm a fan of his game. He may never get a shot to play with the NYG but I'm confident he could do the job if we need him.
If, God forbid, Eli were hurt this year  
SGMen : 8/26/2015 12:17 am : link
...I think we'd be in good hands.

If Eli doesn't get a long term extension and plays out the year, gets hurt for a portion and Nassib does REALLY WELL, well we have some decisions to make this off-season don't we?

Good to have solid QB's in this league. Hoping Nassib ends up being one.
Or if Eli doesn't  
giantgiantfan : 8/26/2015 12:43 am : link
get extended, but gets tagged next year. Nassib is a free agent after 2016.
He may not be fast in the 40 but he  
SomeFan : 8/26/2015 1:33 am : link
is quick in starts and stops, similar to Romo.
I would say improved  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 8/26/2015 6:22 am : link
Not impressive ... He missed a bunch of throws, forced some throws that weren't there and bird dogged his receivers at times.

But his footwork and ability to move in and out of the pocket were good and he can take a pop.
Nassib was impressive  
RetroJint : 8/26/2015 6:36 am : link
And you first learned about guys like Tony Romo & Kurt Warner playing against 2s & 3s. Remember that. There is quite a bit of white-boy typecasting from message-board comments about Ryan. When Russell Wilson moves in the pocket and throws on the run, he is displaying his athleticism. When a white quarterback does the same, he has happy feet. Nassib played in 2 offenses in college. He threw on the run in both styles. I hope I never get a chance to see him start a regular season game for the Giants because that would mean Eli was injured. After this contract, he can move to a team that will give him a chance to start. And, as always, although I have parted with the school as a rooting interest for a number of reasons, Syracuse University gives great value to the Giants.
19 for 35  
ZogZerg : 8/26/2015 6:52 am : link
I think Nassib looked much better this week than last week. But, I think you are getting a little carried away with this thread. He was barely above 50% completion rate.
RE: 19 for 35  
section125 : 8/26/2015 7:00 am : link
In comment 12435950 ZogZerg said:
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I think Nassib looked much better this week than last week. But, I think you are getting a little carried away with this thread. He was barely above 50% completion rate.


That is generally where Eli is also.
Its not always about the completion percentage.  
Curtis in VA : 8/26/2015 7:20 am : link


I like Nassib. I'm becoming a fan. I like that he's coming up with this team. A home grown talent, and you always hate to see them move on and be successful some place else (as a selfish fan) but that is probably what will happen. Just hope the Giants aren't struggling to find a replacement for Eli at the same time =)
RE: RE: 19 for 35  
ZogZerg : 8/26/2015 7:23 am : link
In comment 12435951 section125 said:
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In comment 12435950 ZogZerg said:


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I think Nassib looked much better this week than last week. But, I think you are getting a little carried away with this thread. He was barely above 50% completion rate.



That is generally where Eli is also.



Really? 54.3% against backups is about the same as 63.1% against starters? OK.
agree!  
ColHowPepper : 8/26/2015 7:38 am : link
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=519030

KWALL2, I'll bet your eyes widened on that pass Nassib threw as he stepped up into a collapsing pocket, 10.40 left in Q4, looked like he was an instant away from being enveloped by the DT or DE from behind, somehow got his arm up, unbelievably quick release, and rifled the pass on the money (was it Jones?) about 18 yds downfield.

Not sure I saw all high % of misfires that former Tiki4six saw.
He  
AcidTest : 8/26/2015 7:45 am : link
missed some throws, and locked in on a few receivers, but also made some great passes, is mobile, can take a hit, and was overall, clearly in command of the offense. My guess is he's gone after 2016, but I still think there's a chance he could be Eli's successor. That obviously won't happen if we extend Eli, but absent that, it's possible.
Worse guys have been NFL starters  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/26/2015 7:51 am : link
He looks better a little more touch than his standard fastball. Hopefully for his sake he gets an opportunity to play somewhere in 2016. I don't ever want to see him in a giants jersey on the field.
One nice thing I noticed  
JFIB : 8/26/2015 7:57 am : link
Was how nicely he executed the screen pass, something we haven't seen done well around here in a long time.
Funny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/26/2015 8:11 am : link
that just a week ago, people were raving about Stanzi's spiral and how Nassib looks like dogshit.

It is almost like a lot of people here are seeing preseason for the first time.
RE: I would say improved  
River Mike : 8/26/2015 8:20 am : link
In comment 12435945 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Not impressive ... He missed a bunch of throws, forced some throws that weren't there and bird dogged his receivers at times.

But his footwork and ability to move in and out of the pocket were good and he can take a pop.


This ^^^
RE: RE: RE: 19 for 35  
River Mike : 8/26/2015 8:24 am : link
In comment 12435957 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 12435950 ZogZerg said:


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I think Nassib looked much better this week than last week. But, I think you are getting a little carried away with this thread. He was barely above 50% completion rate.



That is generally where Eli is also.




Really? 54.3% against backups is about the same as 63.1% against starters? OK.


Against backups, but also throwing to backup receivers and behind a backup line. Meanwhile Eli is around 30% in preseason. Not knocking Eli, just trying for some perspective.
hopefully  
Les in TO : 8/26/2015 8:47 am : link
the only time he sees regular season action this year is as a victory cigar or in a meaningless week 17 game after we have clinched home field advantage #polyanna
I thought he looked better last pre-season  
jeff57 : 8/26/2015 9:08 am : link
But I'd be confident that he'd do a good job if he had to take over. He could probably start on teams like Cleveland, Buffalo and Houston.
To those criticizing his completion %  
Jay on the Island : 8/26/2015 9:27 am : link
you have to keep in mind that he is throwing to receivers that he hasn't had a lot of time to work with yet due to being backups and the lack of practice time under the new CBA.
RE: To those criticizing his completion %  
Bramton1 : 8/26/2015 9:55 am : link
In comment 12436065 Jay on the Island said:
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you have to keep in mind that he is throwing to receivers that he hasn't had a lot of time to work with yet due to being backups and the lack of practice time under the new CBA.


And he was throwing against a decent number of guys who will be unemployed in the next 7-10 days. I'm not saying he's a bum who would trip over his shoelaces if he went against starters. But this thing where some of BBI is ready to anoint him the next Tom Brady or Steve Young is f-ing ridiculous.
ColhowPepper  
KWALL2 : 8/26/2015 11:13 am : link
That 4th qtr play was one of his best. He followed it up with another about 2 minutes later on the post to Jones. He was hit on the left leg so he couldn't step into this throw but delivered a strong ball without his legs.

He made a number of impressive throws.

He wasn't super sharp. He was late on some stuff. But it sure is easy to see how some had him as a first round QB prospect. He's very talented especially how he moves around and throws. You can do a lot of things with that kind of skill.
FMiC  
LG in NYC : 8/26/2015 11:18 am : link
Unless the same people who were killing Nassib are now the ones pointing out he looked good, then your comment holds no water.

As for Nassib, I agree that he looks like there may something there. His overall comp % for the game wasn't anything overly impressive, but his 2nd half comp % was very good. He does have athleticism and can throw a dart.

Just out of pure curiosity, I'd love to him with the 1's against the 1's... but I can't see that happening.
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Jay on the Island : 8/26/2015 12:16 pm : link
In comment 12436122 Bramton1 said:
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you have to keep in mind that he is throwing to receivers that he hasn't had a lot of time to work with yet due to being backups and the lack of practice time under the new CBA.



And he was throwing against a decent number of guys who will be unemployed in the next 7-10 days. I'm not saying he's a bum who would trip over his shoelaces if he went against starters. But this thing where some of BBI is ready to anoint him the next Tom Brady or Steve Young is f-ing ridiculous.


Yes and some of the guys he was throwing to will be unemployed in the next 7-10 days. I am not saying he is going to be a great starting QB one day but I can bet you there isn't a single GM in this league that wouldn't take Nassib over Vick. Also what BBIer compared Nassib to Brady or Young? I haven't seen anyone make this comparison. There are some who believe he MAY be the heir to Eli which is fine. BTW I am not one of those guys.
"I don't care if it was against backups. That doesn't matter to me."  
Mr. Bungle : 8/26/2015 12:17 pm : link
Well, it should. If he had to play in a regular season game, he wouldn't be facing preseason game backups.
No it shouldnt  
KWALL2 : 8/26/2015 12:22 pm : link
He played with and against backups? So what. You can still try to look for things to evaluate a player.

My comments were strictly about his throwing and movement skills. Didn't matter who was on the field. He made outstanding throws and plays.

He wasn't flawless. He had some issues but the guy is a talented player.
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Jay on the Island : 8/26/2015 12:22 pm : link
In comment 12436520 Mr. Bungle said:
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Well, it should. If he had to play in a regular season game, he wouldn't be facing preseason game backups.

He would also be throwing to Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Harris, Vereen instead of Washington, Parker, Davis, Robinson, Darkwa/Hunt.
There are traits you can look at regardless of who  
Jay on the Island : 8/26/2015 12:26 pm : link
he is going against. For instance if Nassib can show he can fit the ball into tight windows then how is that not impressive if he is doing it against backups. If he can show he can evade the rush does it matter if it is against backups?
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Mr. Bungle : 8/26/2015 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12436533 Jay on the Island said:
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Well, it should. If he had to play in a regular season game, he wouldn't be facing preseason game backups.


He would also be throwing to Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Harris, Vereen instead of Washington, Parker, Davis, Robinson, Darkwa/Hunt.

Right. Which makes it difficult to draw any substantial conclusions about what he would or could do in the regular season, were the Giants required to rely on him.

I remember watching Brady Quinn come into the second half of a Jets/Browns preseason game his rookie year. He looked poised, moved well, and threw accurate passes to the correct receiving option. I remember thinking, "Wow, the Browns might have something here with Quinn."

Then the rest of his career happened.

I don't dislike Nassib -- I root for him because he's a Giant. But even if he did some things well in a preseason game, I have to factor in the game circumstances.
Mr Bungle  
KWALL2 : 8/26/2015 12:43 pm : link
Your take on Quinn in preseason was wrong therefore evaluating players in preseason is a useless exercise. Is that it? That's nonsense.

I can find plenty of examples of players who stepped in during the regular season who looked good but didn't develop into players.

It's a small sample for Nassib. However, there were plenty of things to like about the guy from that ONE game. I don't care who he was throwing to or playing against. He can't control that. The things he could control are the things I looked at and I thought he was pretty damn impressive.
Also..  
KWALL2 : 8/26/2015 12:45 pm : link
The competition in that JAX game is better than anything in college. Players are evaluated in college right?

Why can't we look for things in preseason that may or may not work in regular season NFL games?
RE: Mr Bungle  
Mr. Bungle : 8/26/2015 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12436589 KWALL2 said:
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Your take on Quinn in preseason was wrong therefore evaluating players in preseason is a useless exercise. Is that it? That's nonsense.

I can find plenty of examples of players who stepped in during the regular season who looked good but didn't develop into players.

It's a small sample for Nassib. However, there were plenty of things to like about the guy from that ONE game. I don't care who he was throwing to or playing against. He can't control that. The things he could control are the things I looked at and I thought he was pretty damn impressive.

You can misrepresent my position, if that makes you feel better.
Then what is your position?  
KWALL2 : 8/26/2015 12:53 pm : link
What was the point about Quinn?
Why such resistance to the suggestion  
oldutican : 8/26/2015 1:04 pm : link
Nassib might be a good QB? People routinely rave about guys who "flash" in pre-season, yet any nods that Nassib looks good is met with negativity.
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Jay on the Island : 8/26/2015 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12436558 Mr. Bungle said:
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Well, it should. If he had to play in a regular season game, he wouldn't be facing preseason game backups.


He would also be throwing to Beckham, Cruz, Randle, Donnell, Harris, Vereen instead of Washington, Parker, Davis, Robinson, Darkwa/Hunt.


Right. Which makes it difficult to draw any substantial conclusions about what he would or could do in the regular season, were the Giants required to rely on him.

I remember watching Brady Quinn come into the second half of a Jets/Browns preseason game his rookie year. He looked poised, moved well, and threw accurate passes to the correct receiving option. I remember thinking, "Wow, the Browns might have something here with Quinn."

Then the rest of his career happened.

I don't dislike Nassib -- I root for him because he's a Giant. But even if he did some things well in a preseason game, I have to factor in the game circumstances.

Mr Bungle I remember that game as well and I remember every at ESPN gushing about his performance. What he did on every throw was throw to his check down receiver. I remember being shocked at all the love he was getting when all of his passes were under 10 yards and could be made by an QB in the NFL.
Regular Impressive  
Matt in SGS : 8/26/2015 4:31 pm : link
or Dorsey Levens type impressive?
Things that you can take away from Nassib's preseason performance  
Jay on the Island : 8/26/2015 4:35 pm : link
is that he is not afraid to take a hit in the pocket and he always has his eyes focused downfield. He is a fiery tough leader and he is excellent at evading the rush and throwing on the run. He can make the difficult throws that all good QB's are required to make.

Now with that Nassib has to work on displaying more touch on some of his passes especially the short passes where sometimes he puts too much heat on the ball. He also got away with a pass that he threw into double coverage which he will not always get away with. Nassib also needs to learn how to slide and avoid contact. The negative part about his competitiveness is that he wants to get every yard and he isn't afraid to put his body in harms way.

The truth is I really like Nassib a lot and I was thrilled when he was picked even though at the time I really wanted Shamarko Thomas. I don't get the frustration and anger shown by so many fans when the Giants take a chance on a developmental QB. I am fine with the team using a mid to late round pick on a QB that may develop into a starting QB because they could be flipped for higher picks while also serving as a valuable backup. If they don't work out then no big deal because how often do late round picks pan out? For every Bradshaw there is a Drew Strojny, Stoney Woodson etc.
Jay  
KWALL2 : 8/26/2015 5:54 pm : link
I wanted Thomas too. He's been banged up a lot in the NFL but has flashed when on the field. He's taking over for Polamalu this year and will start for PIT.
If Nassib was the season starter this year,  
Doomster : 8/26/2015 8:52 pm : link
we would easily have a top 5 pick...
RE: If Nassib was the season starter this year,  
oldutican : 8/27/2015 10:12 am : link
In comment 12437309 Doomster said:
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we would easily have a top 5 pick...


And last year Giants had the 9th pick. So what's your point?
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