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Big Al : 8/26/2015 9:10 am
and killed on air in Virginia.
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RE: nah  
Gmen703 : 8/26/2015 7:00 pm : link
In comment 12437066 Greg from LI said:
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The guy's full of shit. Charleston is just something he latched on to in order to portray himself as some kind of righteous avenger. He shot at three people, yet the two he killed were former co-workers that he felt had wronged him. If this was some kind of vengeance for Charleston, why was the one person who survived the CoC lady with whom he had no prior relationship? Because he didn't really care if he killed her or not, but he was absolutely determined that the cameraman and reporter were going to die. He has a long history of workplace paranoia and grudges about his failed career. If Dylann Roof were still just some anonymous angry redneck kid, this guy likely still would have done what he did IMO.


Agreed.
Came across this on Reddit so I can't speak to its authenticity  
Greg from LI : 8/26/2015 7:08 pm : link
If it's real, though, Vester was both completely nuts as well as a man who really took manners seriously.
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The reason I linked  
buford : 8/26/2015 7:46 pm : link
social media and mental illness is because IMO (of course), social media has provided an outlet for some seriously disturbed people to live out their psychosis. It wasn't enough to kill these two people. He had to film it and put it on line. He could have had many things wrong with him, but the same scenario plays out as in other killings. Long held grievances, usually totally imagined, trigger event, and a desire to be noticed, hence the videos and the manifesto. It's a way of proving to everyone that they are important and we will regret how we treated them.

It's very sad and I don't know what we can do to intervene in these types of cases before they get to this point.
The boyfriend going to Twitter in the morning and then showing ...  
Boy Cord : 8/26/2015 9:02 pm : link
... a picture book on TV later in the day rubs me the wrong way. I know, everyone grieves differently, but I just wouldn't.
RE: The boyfriend going to Twitter in the morning and then showing ...  
bradshaw44 : 8/26/2015 9:18 pm : link
In comment 12437321 Boy Cord said:
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... a picture book on TV later in the day rubs me the wrong way. I know, everyone grieves differently, but I just wouldn't.


Agreed. And he was just on Fox News and didn't seem like it was the day he lost his love. Me personally, I probably wouldn't say a damn word to anyone until I had a chance to decompress. To each their own I suppose.
I'm still really reeling from this one :(  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/26/2015 9:31 pm : link
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Never quite understood  
MookGiants : 8/26/2015 9:36 pm : link
even for a second judging how someone grieves. I could see being skeptical if the husband or fiancee or whatever could be a potential suspect, but we know that's not the case here.

I pray to God none of us are ever in that position, but we truly have no idea how we would react if we were.

My heart goes out to that guy.
RE: Never quite understood  
Boy Cord : 8/26/2015 9:39 pm : link
In comment 12437381 MookGiants said:
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even for a second judging how someone grieves. I could see being skeptical if the husband or fiancee or whatever could be a potential suspect, but we know that's not the case here.

I pray to God none of us are ever in that position, but we truly have no idea how we would react if we were.

My heart goes out to that guy.


I call them like I see them. And I can tell you that I would not be tweeting if anything close to this happened to me.
scary how powerful people are  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/26/2015 9:40 pm : link
when they accept death and think they have nothing to lose.

Idiots like this are simply terrorists. We've seen so many crazy individual shootings over the years. A big fear of mine for the future is that somehow several of these crazies get in touch with each other and organize something together. I know that the FBI and CIA and etc. are all doing a thorough job at making sure something like that never happens. And I know that most of these individuals are just trying to make an individual "statement" and that might not work in a group. Maybe this is just paranoia but we've seen 1 random shooter commit absolute atrocities, the thought of what several of them can do together with an organized plan scares the shit out of me.

RIP to Alison Parker and and Adam Ward. Just senseless.
RE: Never quite understood  
bradshaw44 : 8/26/2015 9:40 pm : link
In comment 12437381 MookGiants said:
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even for a second judging how someone grieves. I could see being skeptical if the husband or fiancee or whatever could be a potential suspect, but we know that's not the case here.

I pray to God none of us are ever in that position, but we truly have no idea how we would react if we were.

My heart goes out to that guy.


Which is why I said "to each their own".

And as humans we often compare others reactions to our own. Just human nature.
RE: RE: Never quite understood  
MookGiants : 8/26/2015 9:42 pm : link
In comment 12437390 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 12437381 MookGiants said:


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even for a second judging how someone grieves. I could see being skeptical if the husband or fiancee or whatever could be a potential suspect, but we know that's not the case here.

I pray to God none of us are ever in that position, but we truly have no idea how we would react if we were.

My heart goes out to that guy.



I call them like I see them. And I can tell you that I would not be tweeting if anything close to this happened to me.


I hope you haven't been in this type of situation, and if you haven't, how in the world do you know what you would be doing?

And you call what like you see it?

Saw that one of the victims went to Va Tech  
Davisian : 8/26/2015 10:05 pm : link
Didn't not first think of Greg as the prime suspect.

RE: I'm still really reeling from this one :(  
Giants4246 : 8/26/2015 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12437371 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Same here, i've been thinking about it all day. I saw both videos earlier today and it was absolutely horrifying.
This one has bothered me all day..  
Sean : 8/26/2015 10:38 pm : link
watching the video certainly didn't help. Just absolutely awful. These situations are just happening too much.
This probably isn't an original idea  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/27/2015 7:14 am : link
But when you watch the first person vid you can see why there is all of that lingering going on by the gunman before he takes his shot, it was purely tactical. When he walks up on them the camera guy doesn't have his camera on the reporter, all that lingering is just him waiting until the camera guy gets focused on her so the tv audience can see the reporter getting shot. As soon as the camera pans to the reporter he shoots
So how far  
RinR : 8/27/2015 9:08 am : link
does a background check on a gun purchase go? I have never bought a gun so I have no idea what is asked or what you need to provide.

Just wondering if current and former employers are checked and if they weren't listed how else would authorities might have found out about this lunatic's past. His EEOC complaint produced many threatening letters from the station during in the review. Would the background check had surfaced those?
I was wondering why he seemed to appropach them, aim,  
Andy in Halifax : 8/27/2015 9:09 am : link
and then back off & wait a moment. Sick fuck wanted to make sure the murder was captured on screen.
RE: So how far  
buford : 8/27/2015 9:19 am : link
In comment 12437805 RinR said:
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does a background check on a gun purchase go? I have never bought a gun so I have no idea what is asked or what you need to provide.

Just wondering if current and former employers are checked and if they weren't listed how else would authorities might have found out about this lunatic's past. His EEOC complaint produced many threatening letters from the station during in the review. Would the background check had surfaced those?


The problem with this is that being let go from a job would probably not show up on a background check. Companies don't say why someone was let go because they can get sued. All they will do is confirm the dates of employment. That's why when you hire someone, you always try to get a reference from someone who worked directly with that person. And sometimes they are not allowed to say anything. I don't know if the EEOC report would show up.
Perhaps this incident  
buford : 8/27/2015 9:39 am : link
should have showed up on his background check:

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The day Flanagan was fired from a Virginia TV station in 2013, his bosses called 911 because of his volatile behavior—an incident captured on camera by Adam Ward, a man who would later become one of his victims.

At a February 2013 meeting, managers at WDBJ7 in Roanoke told Flanagan he wasn’t a good fit and would be terminated. Flanagan became “agitated” before issuing a threat, one boss recalled in court papers.

“I’m not leaving,” fumed Flanagan, who went by “Bryce Williams” on air. “You’re going to have to call the fucking police. Call the police, I’m not leaving. I’m going to make a stink and it’s going to be in the headlines.”

One former manager, Dan Dennison, claimed Flanagan terrified employees so much they took shelter in a locked office.

“He repeated… his feeling that firing him would lead to negative consequences for me personally and for the station,” Dennison said, according to a statement in a racial discrimination lawsuit Flanagan filed in 2014, which was dismissed.

The disgruntled newsman handed Dennison a small wooden cross and warned him, “You’ll need this.”


of course if he wasn't charged with anything, it probably would not have.
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What I meant to say was  
MarshallOnMontana : 8/27/2015 9:40 am : link
When you combine the first person video with the live broadcast, piecing things together it is clear his lingering was solely because the camera guy was panning across the scenery and didn't have the reporter in the camera shot. As soon as he pans to get her in the shot the gunman fires
RE: So how far  
RC02XX : 8/27/2015 9:41 am : link
In comment 12437805 RinR said:
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does a background check on a gun purchase go? I have never bought a gun so I have no idea what is asked or what you need to provide.

Just wondering if current and former employers are checked and if they weren't listed how else would authorities might have found out about this lunatic's past. His EEOC complaint produced many threatening letters from the station during in the review. Would the background check had surfaced those?


Background check for the most part only looks at any criminal history. And this can be a bit hazy as well since not everyone has felony (or even misdemeanor) records that will indicate that they should not be allowed to purchase weapons, especially when it comes to mental illness since no background check even touches one's medical records for obvious privacy reasons.
It's a fool's errand to think we can create a rule that will  
BeerFridge : 8/27/2015 9:48 am : link
predict who will use a gun for something like this or murdering his family or something random like Sandy Hook. And the 2nd amendment basically prohibits trying anyway.

We're pretty much stuck in a society where guns are cheap and easy to get and our nutjobs have no trouble arming themselves.
The NICS should be expanded  
Rob in CT/NYC : 8/27/2015 9:49 am : link
For example, you will be denied a firearm if your wife/ex-wife has a restraining order against you, but no one else?

Ronnie - if you have been involuntarily committed to an institution, that will show up...that's about it...or a court has a ruling against you...the system should not have let DR obtain a gun, for example.
RE: The NICS should be expanded  
RC02XX : 8/27/2015 9:50 am : link
In comment 12437877 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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For example, you will be denied a firearm if your wife/ex-wife has a restraining order against you, but no one else?

Ronnie - if you have been involuntarily committed to an institution, that will show up...that's about it...or a court has a ruling against you...the system should not have let DR obtain a gun, for example.


Thanks, Rob. I didn't know about the involuntary commitment, but it makes sense.
Sorry, not DR  
Rob in CT/NYC : 8/27/2015 9:52 am : link
The other fuckwit...Houser.
RE: So how far  
Giants4246 : 8/27/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12437805 RinR said:
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does a background check on a gun purchase go? I have never bought a gun so I have no idea what is asked or what you need to provide.

Just wondering if current and former employers are checked and if they weren't listed how else would authorities might have found out about this lunatic's past. His EEOC complaint produced many threatening letters from the station during in the review. Would the background check had surfaced those?


I'm a long island transplant living in NC now, bought my first gun 2 weeks ago, glock 19 9mm. In order to buy that gun i needed a pistol purchase permit. In order to get the pistol purchase permit i had to go to the county sheriffs office and fill out what basically equates to a job applicaton minus listing any previous employment. Filled it out and a few days later i was back at the sheriffs office picking up the purchase permit. So not hard at all if you don't have a fucked up background.
I just found out this AM..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/27/2015 10:17 am : link
that the cameraman was moving to Charlotte. His fiance's last day was yesterday! She was in the control room when the news broke.

She is slated to join the Charlotte ABC affiliate next month and she and the cameraman were in Charlotte over the weekend finalizing a lease on an apartment.
RE: I just found out this AM..  
section125 : 8/27/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12437925 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that the cameraman was moving to Charlotte. His fiance's last day was yesterday! She was in the control room when the news broke.

She is slated to join the Charlotte ABC affiliate next month and she and the cameraman were in Charlotte over the weekend finalizing a lease on an apartment.


Now that is really sad. Within hours of relocating, and a nutjob crashes the whole thing.
Here's the story...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/27/2015 10:31 am : link
this line is what kills me the most:
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As Ward and Ott prepared to move into an apartment in Ballantyne, Ward told Eberle that he was ready to leave the news business and asked for help in finding a new career.

They last spoke on Sunday.

Said Eberle: “One of the things I found interesting was the comment he made to me, he says, ‘You know TJ...I’m a little burned out in this job, going to film people’s worse days, whether it be a fire or crime scene.’”

Eberle said he compiled a list of about 20 people he was going to speak with to help Ward land a job in marketing or public relations.


Chilling that he films people on their worst days and he met this kind of fate
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All due respects to those who lost teir lives  
WideRight : 8/27/2015 10:45 am : link
But the only distinguishing feature is the media, both the live TV and the sicko's twitter feed.

All gun homicides are like this, we aren't watching.
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x meadowlander : 8/27/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12437903 Giants4246 said:
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In comment 12437805 RinR said:


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does a background check on a gun purchase go? I have never bought a gun so I have no idea what is asked or what you need to provide.

Just wondering if current and former employers are checked and if they weren't listed how else would authorities might have found out about this lunatic's past. His EEOC complaint produced many threatening letters from the station during in the review. Would the background check had surfaced those?



I'm a long island transplant living in NC now, bought my first gun 2 weeks ago, glock 19 9mm. In order to buy that gun i needed a pistol purchase permit. In order to get the pistol purchase permit i had to go to the county sheriffs office and fill out what basically equates to a job applicaton minus listing any previous employment. Filled it out and a few days later i was back at the sheriffs office picking up the purchase permit. So not hard at all if you don't have a fucked up background.

Right. But this clown was so screwy his employer called the cops on him.

And he got to carry anyway.

Be careful who you piss off people. Be nice to irrational people.
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BeerFridge : 8/27/2015 11:59 am : link
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RE: All due respects to those who lost teir lives  
RobCarpenter : 8/27/2015 3:50 pm : link
In comment 12437999 WideRight said:
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But the only distinguishing feature is the media, both the live TV and the sicko's twitter feed.

All gun homicides are like this, we aren't watching.


Agreed, seriously don't need to watch a snuff film. Still haven't watched the footage and have no intention of watching it.
Examples of words that the  
buford : 8/28/2015 10:29 am : link
killer considered racist were field, swinging and watermelon.

WDBJ cameraman Trevor Fair recalled others using the term “field” around Flanagan: “We would say stuff like, ‘The reporter’s out in the field.’ And he would look at us and say, ‘What are you saying, ‘cotton fields’? That’s racist,’” he told the Post.

“We’d be like, ‘What?’” he added. “We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.”

“This guy was a nightmare,” Fair told the Post. “Management’s worst nightmare.”

Then there was the time a station manager brought in watermelon for all employees. “Of course, he thought that was racist. He was like, ‘You’re doing that because of me.’ No, the general manager brought in watermelon for the entire news team. He’s like, ‘Nope, this is out for me. You guys are calling me out because I’m black.’”

7-Eleven’s sale of watermelon-flavored Slurpees didn’t escape Flanagan’s observations, either.

“It’s not a coincidence, they’re racist,” Fair recalled Flanagan saying.

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Mike in Long Beach : 8/28/2015 10:33 am : link
In comment 12439768 buford said:
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killer considered racist were field, swinging and watermelon.

WDBJ cameraman Trevor Fair recalled others using the term “field” around Flanagan: “We would say stuff like, ‘The reporter’s out in the field.’ And he would look at us and say, ‘What are you saying, ‘cotton fields’? That’s racist,’” he told the Post.

“We’d be like, ‘What?’” he added. “We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.”

“This guy was a nightmare,” Fair told the Post. “Management’s worst nightmare.”

Then there was the time a station manager brought in watermelon for all employees. “Of course, he thought that was racist. He was like, ‘You’re doing that because of me.’ No, the general manager brought in watermelon for the entire news team. He’s like, ‘Nope, this is out for me. You guys are calling me out because I’m black.’”

7-Eleven’s sale of watermelon-flavored Slurpees didn’t escape Flanagan’s observations, either.

“It’s not a coincidence, they’re racist,” Fair recalled Flanagan saying.
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Wow.. We obviously knew the dude was batshit crazy, but when you hear that kind of rationale it's just terrifying.
The freaks are already out in full force  
Peter in Atl : 8/28/2015 10:43 am : link
They think it was faked.
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arcarsenal : 8/28/2015 10:47 am : link
The conspiracy theorists are predictably out on this one as well.. claiming some tweet by the boyfriend about being numb to the whole thing, etc. was posted 12 minutes before the shooting actually happened. "Timestamp doesn't lie! This is an anti-gun campaign!" Good stuff.
Meanwhile....  
Greg from LI : 8/28/2015 10:49 am : link
Vox is a stupid, shallow and uneducated as ever.

I see the loons are out in full force.  
figgy2989 : 8/28/2015 11:46 am : link
I am not into conspiracy theories, especially when they come out after every tragedy like this....but one interesting note is the blue shirt in the first person video compared to the all back fatigues from the camera mans live feed. I know you can't really tell everything from that quick screen grab and could possibly distinguish exactly what color he was wearing, but it is pretty interesting.
Does anyone realize..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 11:52 am : link
the magnitude of faking something like that?

You'd have to have the entire news room in on it, troopers, a guy willing to commit suicide, as well as an unsuspecting interviewee.

It is one thing if a guy filmed this in his basement with no witnesses, but there are people who saw the shooting happen.
and there's also a wounded survivor  
Greg from LI : 8/28/2015 11:55 am : link
So, some random lady with the Smith Mountain Lake Chamber of Commerce is going to be an enthusiastic participant in a nonsensical conspiracy to fake a horrific videotaped murder....which occurs in the very marketplace she is promoting to increase economic activity??? Nothing boosts business like a live broadcast of a double murder!
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arcarsenal : 8/28/2015 11:58 am : link
And where do people who think that this was all staged think the woman who was killed went? They think she was paid off to get moved into some other country where she'd never be recognized and just start a brand new life over again somewhere under a new name and new persona as if it was no big deal? This woman who had a career here suddenly just agreed to be part of this huge hoax?

People also seem set on the "there's no blood! And how does she run away after being shot?!" angle. It happens so fast and this isn't a horror movie where fake blood dramatically shoots out everywhere to enhance the effect.

If you read the comments on the link Peter posted it's actually scary how delusional people are.
I think the glimpse you catch of him  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/28/2015 11:59 am : link
from the fallen camera man's camera is the result of him standing in a shadow without much lighting. You just can't see the detail of the sleeves in the same way you can in the first person look.

arc  
Greg from LI : 8/28/2015 12:05 pm : link
You know, I never have read any of the ranting of conspiracy theorists about Sandy Hook or other shootings, but I clicked on Peter's link. It truly is staggering just how willfully stupid some people are determined to be.
Seriously, let's round up the number of people who have to be party  
Greg from LI : 8/28/2015 12:11 pm : link
to such a conspiracy:

The two people who were killed, who as arc says ostensibly have to be willing to start completely new lives somewhere else.

The wounded lady.

The shooter himself.

The staff at the TV station.

The police.

The paramedics who responded to the scene.

The doctors who operated on the wounded lady for hours.

The medical examiners who have custody of the deceased.

So let's say that, conservatively, there are two dozen people who are active participants. That doesn't even include the people who planned and funded the whole thing. Yet, somehow, the plot was so poorly carried out (in the minds of the mouthbreathers) that a bunch of dimwits on a web site can instantly detect the fakery??
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arcarsenal : 8/28/2015 12:22 pm : link
Greg, and that's not even factoring in that they'd get that far along and then inexplicably use a white "shooter" wearing a shirt that is a different color than Flanagan actually was.

I mean, let's think about this for a second. All of these people would plot something out that took attention to considerable amounts of detail, required countless people to be "in" on it and then would overlook one of the most obvious parts of the entire thing inexplicably?

Incredible.
It's not just the website that I linked.  
Peter in Atl : 8/28/2015 12:24 pm : link
There are several more in the comments section. It is insane.
Indeed  
Greg from LI : 8/28/2015 12:25 pm : link
"Goddammit, Higgins!!! Did you SEE the video? We used a white guy as the actor in the shooter's video! They're going to find out everything now!"
Gotta tip my cap to the commenter at the link, however  
Greg from LI : 8/28/2015 12:27 pm : link
who has enough of a sharp, discerning eye to ferret out the influence of the international Zionist conspiracy behind this. Truly a fearsome intellect at work there.
There are posters on this board (at least one)  
BeerFridge : 8/28/2015 12:31 pm : link
that thinks the EPA leaked heavy water from that mine on purpose. There are conspiracies everywhere if you look hard enough for them.
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