I believe Peter's point is that violence for violence shouldn't be an appropriate reaction. These threads often turn into a game of 'who wants to see a bad person hurt the most?!'
isn't gonna learn a lesson with a trial and imprisonment
In cases like this, I question whether trial and incarceration is even worth it.
Why is this guy substantially more twisted than all of the other people in this country who commit premeditated murder. It gets back to Buford's point, which she was unfairly jumped on for. There's something deeply wrong with premeditated murder. Whether it is mental illness or something else, I dont know, but normal people dont do this shit. Though if you chalk it up to mental illness then arent you saying that people like this shouldnt be convicted?
But IMO we dont incarcerate people for rehabilitation for the most part -- indeed of the 4 main justifications for incarceration I'd say rehab is dead last behind punishment, segregation, and deterrence.
It always amazes me that the criteria for 'not-guilty by reason of insanity' is that the crime was not pre-planned. If you are planning something like what happened today, you have to be off your rocker. As you said, normal people don't do this. Some may think about killing someone they really detest, but you have to be a bit off to actually do it. AND then post on social media and then try to kill yourself. And now we see this person has a history of making grievances at work and was fired for behavior. It may be hard to accept, but there are a lot of fucked up people who could go off any any moment. It's not something we can really control, but there are usually signs. But most people don't want to think that people they know, friends, co-workers, etc. could do something like this.
How was buford unfairly jumped? She lumped murder (fact), social media (fact) and mental illness (?) in together.
You may have your beliefs on those who commit violent crimes, but those aren't aren't synonymous with mental illness. A large majority of those suffering from mental illness are absolutely non-violent. The most common form is mild/severe depression - which 1 of every 4 Americans suffers from. Not only are these people generally non-violent, the only risk they may pose is to themselves.
There are many other forms of mental illness, schizophrenia, bi-polar, borderline personality, etc. A majority of these people aren't just non-violent, but are frequently victims of the crimes of others.
In addressing buford, I merely attempted to explain that such presumptions do a disservice to those suffering and practitioners alike, because it presupposes certain characteristic and actions that are false and have a measurable impact in funding and public policy. Not false because I say they are, but because they've been studied By learned professional.
However, in the typical buford manner, she's doubled down on her simpleton routine. In must be so simple to go through life without having the worry about shit like subtlety and color.
It won't be long before we find out if he had any documented mental health issues. I can understand why you might think that, regardless of whether your suspicions turn out to be accurate or not.
There are some people who are just so unreasonably difficult in the workplace, social settings, etc. - that it makes you think there must be something else going on besides them just being hypersensitive or just a jerk. By difficult I am referring to the early reports of his issues at several workplaces.
Yes, I just wrote about that. I was a director of a department and had about 100 employees under me at one point. There were certain people who were always filing grievances. One was a woman who claimed that men in the department were leering at her and she claimed sexual harassment. Well two of the men she was accusing were gay. Eventually HR suggested she seek counseling. This person obviously thought people were making racist comments about him. It could be a form of paranoia.
You misunderstood my point (or I described it poorly) Â
What is your context, exactly? Are all murders televised? How do you know this is different and how do you determine it's worse?
Murder is murder. It doesn't matter how it happens. It's a terrible thing for someone to do regardless of how they do it. People react more strongly to something they actually witness or see happen. It's natural. When you hear about murder on the news, you brush it off because you don't know anything about the people involved or how it went down. That doesn't mean it was any less savage or criminal.
I wasn't saying this murder was worse. I was saying that the way it was brought into our homes illuminated its brutality. And then to top it off, the killer boasting his efforts with Twitter posts showed how unapologetic and evil he truly is.
My point was that we are human beings. I don't have the energy or the capacity or the information to shed tears over every murder that happens in this damn country. You know it and he fucking knows it. But to get outraged about the 1 murder that I actually am privy to, perhaps the attention it garners can create change for the hundreds and hundreds of murders I'd never read about.
It's perfectly natural to have visceral reaction to seeing a young woman murdered, and being able to see it via a boastful post by the murder himself (and a young man too, though that wasn't in the video). And for that piece of human filth Peter to imply that people are picking and choosing their outrage is so disrespectful to literally everyone involved.
RE: You misunderstood my point (or I described it poorly) Â
What is your context, exactly? Are all murders televised? How do you know this is different and how do you determine it's worse?
Murder is murder. It doesn't matter how it happens. It's a terrible thing for someone to do regardless of how they do it. People react more strongly to something they actually witness or see happen. It's natural. When you hear about murder on the news, you brush it off because you don't know anything about the people involved or how it went down. That doesn't mean it was any less savage or criminal.
I wasn't saying this murder was worse. I was saying that the way it was brought into our homes illuminated its brutality. And then to top it off, the killer boasting his efforts with Twitter posts showed how unapologetic and evil he truly is.
My point was that we are human beings. I don't have the energy or the capacity or the information to shed tears over every murder that happens in this damn country. You know it and he fucking knows it. But to get outraged about the 1 murder that I actually am privy to, perhaps the attention it garners can create change for the hundreds and hundreds of murders I'd never read about.
It's perfectly natural to have visceral reaction to seeing a young woman murdered, and being able to see it via a boastful post by the murder himself (and a young man too, though that wasn't in the video). And for that piece of human filth Peter to imply that people are picking and choosing their outrage is so disrespectful to literally everyone involved.
fuck off. There was nothing wrong with what I said. If you think this person exhibited normal behavior, then that's your problem.
And I say this as someone who has been in therapy and is currently taking medication. So I know crazy.
And do me a favor and just ignore my posts from now on, as I usually ignore yours. Your behavior towards me borders on stalking and it should stop. You may want to get some therapy yourself if you feel you just can't control yourself.
I believe Peter's point is that violence for violence shouldn't be an appropriate reaction. These threads often turn into a game of 'who wants to see a bad person hurt the most?!'
isn't gonna learn a lesson with a trial and imprisonment
In cases like this, I question whether trial and incarceration is even worth it.
Why is this guy substantially more twisted than all of the other people in this country who commit premeditated murder. It gets back to Buford's point, which she was unfairly jumped on for. There's something deeply wrong with premeditated murder. Whether it is mental illness or something else, I dont know, but normal people dont do this shit. Though if you chalk it up to mental illness then arent you saying that people like this shouldnt be convicted?
But IMO we dont incarcerate people for rehabilitation for the most part -- indeed of the 4 main justifications for incarceration I'd say rehab is dead last behind punishment, segregation, and deterrence.
It always amazes me that the criteria for 'not-guilty by reason of insanity' is that the crime was not pre-planned. If you are planning something like what happened today, you have to be off your rocker. As you said, normal people don't do this. Some may think about killing someone they really detest, but you have to be a bit off to actually do it. AND then post on social media and then try to kill yourself. And now we see this person has a history of making grievances at work and was fired for behavior. It may be hard to accept, but there are a lot of fucked up people who could go off any any moment. It's not something we can really control, but there are usually signs. But most people don't want to think that people they know, friends, co-workers, etc. could do something like this.
This might not be the most accurate explanation of a legal concept, but my understanding is that you can be mentally ill AND guilty. To be not guilty by reason of insanity you must be unable to comprehend the(for lack of a better word) consequences of your action. That's not a perfect explanation, but I think I got the basic concept across.
It's more than just the multiple filing of grievances. I've seen people like that who are not mentally ill, just abusing the processes established to ensure a fair and equitable workplace. I'm talking about people who genuinely (in their minds) see conspiracies, malicious intent in things that are either innocent or even non-existent.
fuck off. There was nothing wrong with what I said. If you think this person exhibited normal behavior, then that's your problem.
And I say this as someone who has been in therapy and is currently taking medication. So I know crazy.
And do me a favor and just ignore my posts from now on, as I usually ignore yours. Your behavior towards me borders on stalking and it should stop. You may want to get some therapy yourself if you feel you just can't control yourself.
I couldn't possibly care less about your personal life. But don't promulgate shit you know to be wron and don't set up straw men when you can't even argue your own POV.
You do realize that simply because an individual commits a reprehensible act, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're mentally ill? In fact, most mentally ill individuals are non violent.
Your assumption promulgates the stigma of mental illness.
Sorry, but anyone who would do something like this has issues related to mental illness. That doesn't mean that all mentally ill people commit crimes.
And you've diagnosed the patient via twitter/youtube, leaning on your many, many years of being wrong about virtually everything you've ever opened your mouth up about.
You are not a practitioner, nor are you qualified to make such an assessment.
Good grief people. Stop being so silly with your dislike of buford. She posted an opinion, one that many may share. And you guys get all over it with questions about medical expertise. Well, unless you coached in the NFL, its probably best if you dont offer opinions on the play of the Giants or the front office moves either. Sometimes the silliness is just a bit much.
Vester was an unhappy man. We employed him as a reporter and he had some talent in that respect… He quickly gathered a reputation as someone who was difficult to work with. He was sort of looking out for people to say things he could take offense to. Eventually after many incidents of his anger coming forward, we dismissed him. He did not take that well. [Police had to be called.] He filed a claim with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission… about members of the staff making racial comments. He was African American. None of them could be corroborated by anyone. We think they were fabricated. We talked to all our employees… we got nothing about that. The EEOC dismissed the claim out of hand.
and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
I said what I said. Look at what you've done to this thread. You are a terrible human being.
Yes. Look at what I've done. I've taken the wind out of your sails of your calling for another person to suffer.
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Wouldn't that be great if he lives
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and has to be a quadriplegic in prison the rest of his life?
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I really just want this guy to endure
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prolonged suffering. He's really tapped into the worst in me, but it's how I feel at this moment.
RE: You misunderstood my point (or I described it poorly) Â
What is your context, exactly? Are all murders televised? How do you know this is different and how do you determine it's worse?
Murder is murder. It doesn't matter how it happens. It's a terrible thing for someone to do regardless of how they do it. People react more strongly to something they actually witness or see happen. It's natural. When you hear about murder on the news, you brush it off because you don't know anything about the people involved or how it went down. That doesn't mean it was any less savage or criminal.
I wasn't saying this murder was worse. I was saying that the way it was brought into our homes illuminated its brutality. And then to top it off, the killer boasting his efforts with Twitter posts showed how unapologetic and evil he truly is.
My point was that we are human beings. I don't have the energy or the capacity or the information to shed tears over every murder that happens in this damn country. You know it and he fucking knows it. But to get outraged about the 1 murder that I actually am privy to, perhaps the attention it garners can create change for the hundreds and hundreds of murders I'd never read about.
It's perfectly natural to have visceral reaction to seeing a young woman murdered, and being able to see it via a boastful post by the murder himself (and a young man too, though that wasn't in the video). And for that piece of human filth Peter to imply that people are picking and choosing their outrage is so disrespectful to literally everyone involved.
I think it's fair to point out. I also understand that it's natural to see something terrible like this and feel angered and upset by it. At the end of the day, we are picking and choosing though. Right or wrong.
Like I said, it was done in an insensitive/shitty way but it's not the worst point to try making.
Good news on the other hand - the lady from the Chamber of Commerce who was being interviewed, Vicki Gardner, is out of surgery and in stable condition.
The only thing that took the wind out of my sails this morning was the double murder. And not only do I stand by those comments, I'd like to double down on them.
You are a bad person, but at the end of the day harmless. So no, you haven't had any tangible impact here. It's not you that ruined my morning. It's him.
Im wrong. The stats are 1 in 14-15 have major depressive disorder, not just depression. That is horrifying if you know anyone who has gone through it. Link - ( New Window )
so we're arguing about wanting a murderer to suffer? Â
and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
Good news on the other hand - the lady from the Chamber of Commerce who was being interviewed, Vicki Gardner, is out of surgery and in stable condition.
That is good. Conjecture here obviously, but I wonder if he didn't pursue her as she does not work at the station. She was just as easy a target as the other two.
and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
How does it marginalize a serious crime to ask whether he was suffering from mental health problems. Do you assume that people who stalk and kill other human beings like this while video taping the horror have it all together? That this guy was 100% mentally healthy?
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I am watching. How did he know where they were going to be early this morning? Someone speculated he might have got the information from someone at the station.
and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
How does it marginalize a serious crime to ask whether he was suffering from mental health problems. Do you assume that people who stalk and kill other human beings like this while video taping the horror have it all together? That this guy was 100% mentally healthy?
Claiming mental illness before any facts are in, I believe that's the issue here.
and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
How does it marginalize a serious crime to ask whether he was suffering from mental health problems. Do you assume that people who stalk and kill other human beings like this while video taping the horror have it all together? That this guy was 100% mentally healthy?
Where have I made a judgement one way or another? I have no fucking clue. I'm simply stating that killing a thing or person does not necessarily mean one is mentally ill.
I am watching. How did he know where they were going to be early this morning? Someone speculated he might have got the information from someone at the station.
Or maybe he showed up early watched for them to leave the station for assignment and followed them in his car. I doubt it would be hard to do if motivated to do so.
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I am watching. How did he know where they were going to be early this morning? Someone speculated he might have got the information from someone at the station.
Or he could have just followed the van from the station
He doesn't even believe what he's saying. He's just trying to turn the table on me (like I'm wrong for wanting this asshole to suffer).
Peter's not a good guy. He's getting his kicks by fucking with this thread.
You're pathetic. People should go back and read your all of your posts. You were reasonable at the beginning. You were advised not to look at the video. You couldn't do that. You don't like to "shield your eyes from such things". Then, you went off the deep end. You "want" to see the video. You needed to see it. You "saw it just in time".
before the internet was around, I had a friend who got his hands on an old VCR tape called Faces of Death. We put it on and after the first 5 minutes I didn't want to watch it anymore. At this point, the video would be needed for the authorities, but anything beyond that is a snuff film and I would never plan on clicking on any of these links or videos.
This guy sounds like an angry asshole who wanted to inflict as much pain on the station as possible. It happens routinely enough in America of someone pissed off at work or a former employee and they show up and start shooting. In this case, it happened to be on live TV and he was prepared to broadcast even more video of it. He wanted all these visions out there to "get back" at the station. I'm sure he knew about the personal interactions with the crew and he wanted their loved ones to suffer as well.
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isn't gonna learn a lesson with a trial and imprisonment
In cases like this, I question whether trial and incarceration is even worth it.
Why is this guy substantially more twisted than all of the other people in this country who commit premeditated murder. It gets back to Buford's point, which she was unfairly jumped on for. There's something deeply wrong with premeditated murder. Whether it is mental illness or something else, I dont know, but normal people dont do this shit. Though if you chalk it up to mental illness then arent you saying that people like this shouldnt be convicted?
But IMO we dont incarcerate people for rehabilitation for the most part -- indeed of the 4 main justifications for incarceration I'd say rehab is dead last behind punishment, segregation, and deterrence.
It always amazes me that the criteria for 'not-guilty by reason of insanity' is that the crime was not pre-planned. If you are planning something like what happened today, you have to be off your rocker. As you said, normal people don't do this. Some may think about killing someone they really detest, but you have to be a bit off to actually do it. AND then post on social media and then try to kill yourself. And now we see this person has a history of making grievances at work and was fired for behavior. It may be hard to accept, but there are a lot of fucked up people who could go off any any moment. It's not something we can really control, but there are usually signs. But most people don't want to think that people they know, friends, co-workers, etc. could do something like this.
Sorry it went over your head. Next time, I'll dumb it down for you.
You may have your beliefs on those who commit violent crimes, but those aren't aren't synonymous with mental illness. A large majority of those suffering from mental illness are absolutely non-violent. The most common form is mild/severe depression - which 1 of every 4 Americans suffers from. Not only are these people generally non-violent, the only risk they may pose is to themselves.
There are many other forms of mental illness, schizophrenia, bi-polar, borderline personality, etc. A majority of these people aren't just non-violent, but are frequently victims of the crimes of others.
In addressing buford, I merely attempted to explain that such presumptions do a disservice to those suffering and practitioners alike, because it presupposes certain characteristic and actions that are false and have a measurable impact in funding and public policy. Not false because I say they are, but because they've been studied By learned professional.
However, in the typical buford manner, she's doubled down on her simpleton routine. In must be so simple to go through life without having the worry about shit like subtlety and color.
There are some people who are just so unreasonably difficult in the workplace, social settings, etc. - that it makes you think there must be something else going on besides them just being hypersensitive or just a jerk. By difficult I am referring to the early reports of his issues at several workplaces.
Yes, I just wrote about that. I was a director of a department and had about 100 employees under me at one point. There were certain people who were always filing grievances. One was a woman who claimed that men in the department were leering at her and she claimed sexual harassment. Well two of the men she was accusing were gay. Eventually HR suggested she seek counseling. This person obviously thought people were making racist comments about him. It could be a form of paranoia.
Murder is murder. It doesn't matter how it happens. It's a terrible thing for someone to do regardless of how they do it. People react more strongly to something they actually witness or see happen. It's natural. When you hear about murder on the news, you brush it off because you don't know anything about the people involved or how it went down. That doesn't mean it was any less savage or criminal.
I wasn't saying this murder was worse. I was saying that the way it was brought into our homes illuminated its brutality. And then to top it off, the killer boasting his efforts with Twitter posts showed how unapologetic and evil he truly is.
My point was that we are human beings. I don't have the energy or the capacity or the information to shed tears over every murder that happens in this damn country. You know it and he fucking knows it. But to get outraged about the 1 murder that I actually am privy to, perhaps the attention it garners can create change for the hundreds and hundreds of murders I'd never read about.
It's perfectly natural to have visceral reaction to seeing a young woman murdered, and being able to see it via a boastful post by the murder himself (and a young man too, though that wasn't in the video). And for that piece of human filth Peter to imply that people are picking and choosing their outrage is so disrespectful to literally everyone involved.
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What is your context, exactly? Are all murders televised? How do you know this is different and how do you determine it's worse?
Murder is murder. It doesn't matter how it happens. It's a terrible thing for someone to do regardless of how they do it. People react more strongly to something they actually witness or see happen. It's natural. When you hear about murder on the news, you brush it off because you don't know anything about the people involved or how it went down. That doesn't mean it was any less savage or criminal.
I wasn't saying this murder was worse. I was saying that the way it was brought into our homes illuminated its brutality. And then to top it off, the killer boasting his efforts with Twitter posts showed how unapologetic and evil he truly is.
My point was that we are human beings. I don't have the energy or the capacity or the information to shed tears over every murder that happens in this damn country. You know it and he fucking knows it. But to get outraged about the 1 murder that I actually am privy to, perhaps the attention it garners can create change for the hundreds and hundreds of murders I'd never read about.
It's perfectly natural to have visceral reaction to seeing a young woman murdered, and being able to see it via a boastful post by the murder himself (and a young man too, though that wasn't in the video). And for that piece of human filth Peter to imply that people are picking and choosing their outrage is so disrespectful to literally everyone involved.
Actually, I was mostly focused on you.
And I say this as someone who has been in therapy and is currently taking medication. So I know crazy.
And do me a favor and just ignore my posts from now on, as I usually ignore yours. Your behavior towards me borders on stalking and it should stop. You may want to get some therapy yourself if you feel you just can't control yourself.
I love those games because I always win!
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when people have to try and decipher what they think you meant while you were busy being an asshole with your post.
Sorry it went over your head. Next time, I'll dumb it down for you.
Okay, I'll let Brett know you're dumbing it down. I'd say maybe you can dumb down the douche factor too but we all know that's not happening.
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isn't gonna learn a lesson with a trial and imprisonment
In cases like this, I question whether trial and incarceration is even worth it.
Why is this guy substantially more twisted than all of the other people in this country who commit premeditated murder. It gets back to Buford's point, which she was unfairly jumped on for. There's something deeply wrong with premeditated murder. Whether it is mental illness or something else, I dont know, but normal people dont do this shit. Though if you chalk it up to mental illness then arent you saying that people like this shouldnt be convicted?
But IMO we dont incarcerate people for rehabilitation for the most part -- indeed of the 4 main justifications for incarceration I'd say rehab is dead last behind punishment, segregation, and deterrence.
It always amazes me that the criteria for 'not-guilty by reason of insanity' is that the crime was not pre-planned. If you are planning something like what happened today, you have to be off your rocker. As you said, normal people don't do this. Some may think about killing someone they really detest, but you have to be a bit off to actually do it. AND then post on social media and then try to kill yourself. And now we see this person has a history of making grievances at work and was fired for behavior. It may be hard to accept, but there are a lot of fucked up people who could go off any any moment. It's not something we can really control, but there are usually signs. But most people don't want to think that people they know, friends, co-workers, etc. could do something like this.
This might not be the most accurate explanation of a legal concept, but my understanding is that you can be mentally ill AND guilty. To be not guilty by reason of insanity you must be unable to comprehend the(for lack of a better word) consequences of your action. That's not a perfect explanation, but I think I got the basic concept across.
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when people have to try and decipher what they think you meant while you were busy being an asshole with your post.
Sorry it went over your head. Next time, I'll dumb it down for you.
Okay, I'll let Brett know you're dumbing it down. I'd say maybe you can dumb down the douche factor too but we all know that's not happening.
It's funny how you didn't understand my post but got a big enough case of the vapors to want me banned.
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when people have to try and decipher what they think you meant while you were busy being an asshole with your post.
Sorry it went over your head. Next time, I'll dumb it down for you.
Okay, I'll let Brett know you're dumbing it down. I'd say maybe you can dumb down the douche factor too but we all know that's not happening.
Why does Brett need to be told? I got the point.
Only one man can save us now.
And I say this as someone who has been in therapy and is currently taking medication. So I know crazy.
And do me a favor and just ignore my posts from now on, as I usually ignore yours. Your behavior towards me borders on stalking and it should stop. You may want to get some therapy yourself if you feel you just can't control yourself.
I couldn't possibly care less about your personal life. But don't promulgate shit you know to be wron and don't set up straw men when you can't even argue your own POV.
It's pathetic.
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You do realize that simply because an individual commits a reprehensible act, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're mentally ill? In fact, most mentally ill individuals are non violent.
Your assumption promulgates the stigma of mental illness.
Sorry, but anyone who would do something like this has issues related to mental illness. That doesn't mean that all mentally ill people commit crimes.
And you've diagnosed the patient via twitter/youtube, leaning on your many, many years of being wrong about virtually everything you've ever opened your mouth up about.
You are not a practitioner, nor are you qualified to make such an assessment.
Good grief people. Stop being so silly with your dislike of buford. She posted an opinion, one that many may share. And you guys get all over it with questions about medical expertise. Well, unless you coached in the NFL, its probably best if you dont offer opinions on the play of the Giants or the front office moves either. Sometimes the silliness is just a bit much.
Back to the topic at hand.
Did this guy die yet?
Yes. Look at what I've done. I've taken the wind out of your sails of your calling for another person to suffer.
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and has to be a quadriplegic in prison the rest of his life?
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prolonged suffering. He's really tapped into the worst in me, but it's how I feel at this moment.
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What is your context, exactly? Are all murders televised? How do you know this is different and how do you determine it's worse?
Murder is murder. It doesn't matter how it happens. It's a terrible thing for someone to do regardless of how they do it. People react more strongly to something they actually witness or see happen. It's natural. When you hear about murder on the news, you brush it off because you don't know anything about the people involved or how it went down. That doesn't mean it was any less savage or criminal.
I wasn't saying this murder was worse. I was saying that the way it was brought into our homes illuminated its brutality. And then to top it off, the killer boasting his efforts with Twitter posts showed how unapologetic and evil he truly is.
My point was that we are human beings. I don't have the energy or the capacity or the information to shed tears over every murder that happens in this damn country. You know it and he fucking knows it. But to get outraged about the 1 murder that I actually am privy to, perhaps the attention it garners can create change for the hundreds and hundreds of murders I'd never read about.
It's perfectly natural to have visceral reaction to seeing a young woman murdered, and being able to see it via a boastful post by the murder himself (and a young man too, though that wasn't in the video). And for that piece of human filth Peter to imply that people are picking and choosing their outrage is so disrespectful to literally everyone involved.
I think it's fair to point out. I also understand that it's natural to see something terrible like this and feel angered and upset by it. At the end of the day, we are picking and choosing though. Right or wrong.
Like I said, it was done in an insensitive/shitty way but it's not the worst point to try making.
You are a bad person, but at the end of the day harmless. So no, you haven't had any tangible impact here. It's not you that ruined my morning. It's him.
Link - ( New Window )
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
That is good. Conjecture here obviously, but I wonder if he didn't pursue her as she does not work at the station. She was just as easy a target as the other two.
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and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
How does it marginalize a serious crime to ask whether he was suffering from mental health problems. Do you assume that people who stalk and kill other human beings like this while video taping the horror have it all together? That this guy was 100% mentally healthy?
all life is precious, or something like that. I guess.
Peter's not a good guy. He's getting his kicks by fucking with this thread.
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and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
How does it marginalize a serious crime to ask whether he was suffering from mental health problems. Do you assume that people who stalk and kill other human beings like this while video taping the horror have it all together? That this guy was 100% mentally healthy?
Claiming mental illness before any facts are in, I believe that's the issue here.
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and I wont pretend to be an amateur, armchair psychiatrist. But what are the odds that this guy did not have a diagnosable mental health problem like depression? 1 in 14-15 Americans have depression in any given year, and I've seen estimates as high as 20-25% of Americans have a diagnosable MH condition.
Two reasons. Because it marginalizes a serious crime (just another crazy doing something crazy). The other one I discussed above.
How does it marginalize a serious crime to ask whether he was suffering from mental health problems. Do you assume that people who stalk and kill other human beings like this while video taping the horror have it all together? That this guy was 100% mentally healthy?
Where have I made a judgement one way or another? I have no fucking clue. I'm simply stating that killing a thing or person does not necessarily mean one is mentally ill.
Why is this such a difficult concept?
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Is that what we're doing now? Is there some murders' advocacy movement I'm unfamiliar with?
all life is precious, or something like that. I guess.
I think this is appropriate in the case of this asshole shooter.
Or maybe he showed up early watched for them to leave the station for assignment and followed them in his car. I doubt it would be hard to do if motivated to do so.
Or he could have just followed the van from the station
Peter's not a good guy. He's getting his kicks by fucking with this thread.
You're pathetic. People should go back and read your all of your posts. You were reasonable at the beginning. You were advised not to look at the video. You couldn't do that. You don't like to "shield your eyes from such things". Then, you went off the deep end. You "want" to see the video. You needed to see it. You "saw it just in time".
What you really need...is help.
This guy sounds like an angry asshole who wanted to inflict as much pain on the station as possible. It happens routinely enough in America of someone pissed off at work or a former employee and they show up and start shooting. In this case, it happened to be on live TV and he was prepared to broadcast even more video of it. He wanted all these visions out there to "get back" at the station. I'm sure he knew about the personal interactions with the crew and he wanted their loved ones to suffer as well.