he's been one of the worst safeties in football in recent years. If Spags gets anything out of him, it's a testament to his coaching ability.
I wasn't thinking letting Rolle go would be a tremendous loss, but right now it's looking like a move that we'll be talking about at the end of the year when guys are putting their lockers in trash bags.
Is someone kidding me? We have no safeties to spare. None. Get someone else out there on special teams, as important as it is, and don't risk a safety that has experience and speed. When some of the walking wounded come back he can go on specials. Jeez.
But I wish we had him now too. Giants had no use for a guy that plays every day I guess...he didn't cost that much and the Giants have that money cap space still available to this day... And then some actually...
Going to the Pro Bowl a couple of times suggests to me that he's not 'one of the worst safeties' in recent years. He might not be one of the very best anymore, and the guy's got a deserved reputation for over-the-top violent behavior - but he's not a bad pick up this late in the process.
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Going to the Pro Bowl a couple of times suggests to me that he's not 'one of the worst safeties' in recent years. He might not be one of the very best anymore, and the guy's got a deserved reputation for over-the-top violent behavior - but he's not a bad pick up this late in the process.
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Time will tell.
He was a pro bowl level player 5 years ago. Not since.
cover safety left on the roster. Which makes creating pressure a bigger priority. Not sure how Spags is going to do it w/o JPP. Send the house?
Hate to have to rely on a smallish dude like Josh Gordy in deep coverage but beggars can't be choosers. Unless Landon Collins can transform into a cover safety, Gordy might be the answer.
All these box safeties should at least help our run defense but at the expense of the passing game? Ugh.
Not a pretty situation. Oh well, suck it up and deal with it.
Rolle was very good - BBI underestimates him for some reason
From this team are useless. Eli didn't throw a pick for most of camp, so reviews are he's on fire. Truth? Our DBs suck donkey balls. Brandon Merriweather is a 32 year old has been who is more interested in cheap shotting people than playing football. We worked him over regularly when he flailed around for the Redskins but now he's our savior because he has an NY on his helmet? No, he's older, slower and worse than when he was bad.
But practice reports like this are more informative
and entertaining than yet another round of speculation. Thank you, Jordan.
I'd gladly read stuff like this every day rather than read about who's injured and how long they'll take to recover -- or "Who's going to be on MY 53-man roster."
was on the downside of his career....problem is, we did not get 7M out of him the last few seasons....Giants offered what they thought he was worth, but he was going to sign with anyone making a bigger offer, for his possible final contract.......
The problem is, Reese had no replacement for him.....he was counting on the draft(using two picks), and for some insane reason, thought Berhe, Taylor, and Bennett, all returning from injuries, were the answer....
was outstanding for the Giants. They should have kept him instead of signing guys like Casillas and Harris. I like Harris but signing him meant not spending cash at S? Bad move.
was outstanding for the Giants. They should have kept him instead of signing guys like Casillas and Harris. I like Harris but signing him meant not spending cash at S? Bad move.
We should have kept Linval Joseph and had him plugged in next to Hankins. We had the foundation of a dominant front with those two but we passed and decided he wasn't worth the $. What was brought in to replace him $ wise made this team worse. Reese is badly over valuing what he has waiting in the wings.
Yes, it might burn the team this year, but committing to him for multiple years while he was on the downside of this career would have been a bad idea.
And quite honestly, you know that if Rolle were still here people on BBI would be bitching that Coughlin was too stubborn to let a young guy get a shot instead of going with old man Rolle.
didn't require big money. He got less than Harris, right?
A couple of million a year for 3 years doesn't hurt the team. He can still play. Even at this stage hes more athletic than any S on the roster and that includes the 2nd round pick Collins.
heavily front-loaded Rolle's contract. He's making $5M guaranteed this year. It would have been tough for the Giants to match that deal. Link - ( New Window )
was outstanding for the Giants. They should have kept him instead of signing guys like Casillas and Harris. I like Harris but signing him meant not spending cash at S? Bad move.
We should have kept Linval Joseph and had him plugged in next to Hankins. We had the foundation of a dominant front with those two but we passed and decided he wasn't worth the $. What was brought in to replace him $ wise made this team worse. Reese is badly over valuing what he has waiting in the wings.
I wanted Joseph over Beason at the time. I thought Joseph would get a lot more in the open market.
Has done a poor job with this team for the last few years now, and this team seems to be getting worse all the time.
He never kept up with the quality of the offensive line, he was handed the best offensive line in the league too, to make matters for him even worse.
He inherited a franchise QB also, he did do a good job with the wide receiver's, he replaced the first set and now has added even more weapons.
He has done fair job with the running backs, he inherited a better set then what is here now, but what is here now is fine.
He inherited the best defensive line or one of the best defensive lines in the game, he has not done a very good job with that unit either.
He has never done a good job with the linebacker position or the safety position , he has done a good job with the cornerbacks but has had some tough injuries that have not helped.
The special teams are continuously not so special year after year. So in my view the guy has done a good job at wide receiver and cornerback. The rest of the unit he has not done as well as we all would have hoped, now when you do take injury into account, it does explain some of the reasons, but I do not believe you can lay it all on just bad luck with injuries, some of it yes, but not all of it. He has had some really weak drafts that have hurt the team and has failed to sign many free agents that have helped the team.
From this team are useless. Eli didn't throw a pick for most of camp, so reviews are he's on fire. Truth? Our DBs suck donkey balls. Brandon Merriweather is a 32 year old has been who is more interested in cheap shotting people than playing football. We worked him over regularly when he flailed around for the Redskins but now he's our savior because he has an NY on his helmet? No, he's older, slower and worse than when he was bad.
cover safety left on the roster. Which makes creating pressure a bigger priority. Not sure how Spags is going to do it w/o JPP. Send the house?
Hate to have to rely on a smallish dude like Josh Gordy in deep coverage but beggars can't be choosers. Unless Landon Collins can transform into a cover safety, Gordy might be the answer.
Jeromy Miles was very solid in coverage last year.
All these box safeties should at least help our run defense but at the expense of the passing game? Ugh.
Not a pretty situation. Oh well, suck it up and deal with it.
Going to the Pro Bowl a couple of times suggests to me that he's not 'one of the worst safeties' in recent years. He might not be one of the very best anymore, and the guy's got a deserved reputation for over-the-top violent behavior - but he's not a bad pick up this late in the process.
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Time will tell.
He was a pro bowl level player 5 years ago. Not since.
JPP was a pro bowl player in 2011. NOT SINCE.
I remember when his teammate in college, Willie Cooper -
Going to the Pro Bowl a couple of times suggests to me that he's not 'one of the worst safeties' in recent years. He might not be one of the very best anymore, and the guy's got a deserved reputation for over-the-top violent behavior - but he's not a bad pick up this late in the process.
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Time will tell.
He was a pro bowl level player 5 years ago. Not since.
JPP was a pro bowl player in 2011. NOT SINCE.
I don't know what your point is, but Meriweather hasn't been good in years. Him wearing a NY on the helmet now doesn't change anything.
RE: Rolle was very good - BBI underestimates him for some reason
From this team are useless. Eli didn't throw a pick for most of camp, so reviews are he's on fire. Truth? Our DBs suck donkey balls. Brandon Merriweather is a 32 year old has been who is more interested in cheap shotting people than playing football. We worked him over regularly when he flailed around for the Redskins but now he's our savior because he has an NY on his helmet? No, he's older, slower and worse than when he was bad.
Yeah, DRC and Prince sure do suck...
Is it ever tiring to literally contribute nothing? So 2/5ths of our starting secondary is above average and you're ready to jump back and kiss yourself for it? Yes 5ths, consider the 3rd S or Nickel CB a starter. Who are ours now? Guys you feel all snuggly and warm about? This team sucks, not as much as you do but it's getting closer.
Think our secondary is better than "sucks balls" -. Prince and DRC are solid starters. The nickel will be McBride who has played well if he can just stay healthy. Between Brown, Harris and Wade we have cbs who can play at a competent level. They will probably keep six. Is that a great secondary ? No, but they can play at that B to B+ level if healthy and coached up.
Safety depth is a concern. Meriwether was in the pro bowl a few years ago. He's good enough to start and hopefully Collins steps up.
To my mind, the biggest concern is that the secondary is not a strength, exacerbated by the loss of JPP - the team's best pass rusher. The point being - an average (hopefully better than that) secondary and a huge unexpected hole in the pass rush capability. Personally, I'm of the mind that you throw OO in there as much as possible, eat the mistakes based on the hope it boosts his learning curve.
Spags can use blitzes to compensate for a weak pass rush but that places the secondary under pressure.
I wasn't thinking letting Rolle go would be a tremendous loss, but right now it's looking like a move that we'll be talking about at the end of the year when guys are putting their lockers in trash bags.
Giants saving for a rainy day?? Ok
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Time will tell.
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Time will tell.
He was a pro bowl level player 5 years ago. Not since.
Hate to have to rely on a smallish dude like Josh Gordy in deep coverage but beggars can't be choosers. Unless Landon Collins can transform into a cover safety, Gordy might be the answer.
All these box safeties should at least help our run defense but at the expense of the passing game? Ugh.
Not a pretty situation. Oh well, suck it up and deal with it.
I'd gladly read stuff like this every day rather than read about who's injured and how long they'll take to recover -- or "Who's going to be on MY 53-man roster."
The problem is, Reese had no replacement for him.....he was counting on the draft(using two picks), and for some insane reason, thought Berhe, Taylor, and Bennett, all returning from injuries, were the answer....
Kind of a paradox.
If he's cut from a team with zero safeties, how can he help a team with zero safeties.
Collins isn't going to give it to us.
Loss of Jackson is huge. We need something similar. I think the only option right now is Gordy.
And quite honestly, you know that if Rolle were still here people on BBI would be bitching that Coughlin was too stubborn to let a young guy get a shot instead of going with old man Rolle.
JPP
Hankins
Prince
Eli
Not sure why fans always forget things like that.
DRC is a good player but the team would be better with Joseph and the extra cash.
A couple of million a year for 3 years doesn't hurt the team. He can still play. Even at this stage hes more athletic than any S on the roster and that includes the 2nd round pick Collins.
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DRC is a good player but the team would be better with Joseph and the extra cash.
Good point guys. Especially foolish given the fact that Fewell didn't play to the strengths of a press cover guy like DRC.
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was outstanding for the Giants. They should have kept him instead of signing guys like Casillas and Harris. I like Harris but signing him meant not spending cash at S? Bad move.
We should have kept Linval Joseph and had him plugged in next to Hankins. We had the foundation of a dominant front with those two but we passed and decided he wasn't worth the $. What was brought in to replace him $ wise made this team worse. Reese is badly over valuing what he has waiting in the wings.
I wanted Joseph over Beason at the time. I thought Joseph would get a lot more in the open market.
He never kept up with the quality of the offensive line, he was handed the best offensive line in the league too, to make matters for him even worse.
He inherited a franchise QB also, he did do a good job with the wide receiver's, he replaced the first set and now has added even more weapons.
He has done fair job with the running backs, he inherited a better set then what is here now, but what is here now is fine.
He inherited the best defensive line or one of the best defensive lines in the game, he has not done a very good job with that unit either.
He has never done a good job with the linebacker position or the safety position , he has done a good job with the cornerbacks but has had some tough injuries that have not helped.
The special teams are continuously not so special year after year. So in my view the guy has done a good job at wide receiver and cornerback. The rest of the unit he has not done as well as we all would have hoped, now when you do take injury into account, it does explain some of the reasons, but I do not believe you can lay it all on just bad luck with injuries, some of it yes, but not all of it. He has had some really weak drafts that have hurt the team and has failed to sign many free agents that have helped the team.
Yeah, DRC and Prince sure do suck...
Hate to have to rely on a smallish dude like Josh Gordy in deep coverage but beggars can't be choosers. Unless Landon Collins can transform into a cover safety, Gordy might be the answer.
Jeromy Miles was very solid in coverage last year.
All these box safeties should at least help our run defense but at the expense of the passing game? Ugh.
Not a pretty situation. Oh well, suck it up and deal with it.
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Going to the Pro Bowl a couple of times suggests to me that he's not 'one of the worst safeties' in recent years. He might not be one of the very best anymore, and the guy's got a deserved reputation for over-the-top violent behavior - but he's not a bad pick up this late in the process.
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Time will tell.
He was a pro bowl level player 5 years ago. Not since.
JPP was a pro bowl player in 2011. NOT SINCE.
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Going to the Pro Bowl a couple of times suggests to me that he's not 'one of the worst safeties' in recent years. He might not be one of the very best anymore, and the guy's got a deserved reputation for over-the-top violent behavior - but he's not a bad pick up this late in the process.
Raanan's story is actually pretty positive; Meriweather had a good practice, communicates well, and knows how to play his position. That kind of veteran presence might be really important for the development of our young safeties.
Time will tell.
He was a pro bowl level player 5 years ago. Not since.
JPP was a pro bowl player in 2011. NOT SINCE.
I don't know what your point is, but Meriweather hasn't been good in years. Him wearing a NY on the helmet now doesn't change anything.
Not last year! He was awful in coverage, out of position all the time and terrible at tackling. Other than that he was very good.
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From this team are useless. Eli didn't throw a pick for most of camp, so reviews are he's on fire. Truth? Our DBs suck donkey balls. Brandon Merriweather is a 32 year old has been who is more interested in cheap shotting people than playing football. We worked him over regularly when he flailed around for the Redskins but now he's our savior because he has an NY on his helmet? No, he's older, slower and worse than when he was bad.
Yeah, DRC and Prince sure do suck...
Safety depth is a concern. Meriwether was in the pro bowl a few years ago. He's good enough to start and hopefully Collins steps up.
To my mind, the biggest concern is that the secondary is not a strength, exacerbated by the loss of JPP - the team's best pass rusher. The point being - an average (hopefully better than that) secondary and a huge unexpected hole in the pass rush capability. Personally, I'm of the mind that you throw OO in there as much as possible, eat the mistakes based on the hope it boosts his learning curve.
Spags can use blitzes to compensate for a weak pass rush but that places the secondary under pressure.