NFT: New Quinnipiac poll - interesting results for both parties

but this bodes well for Trump.

is that Sanders beats both Bush and Rubio in head to head matchups. Have to think that Bernie would take a beating in attack ads in a general election over being a "socialist" and those numbers might not hold up, but it's still pretty interesting nonetheless.

the totally lackluster support for HRC in the Democratic Party makes confident that Elizabeth Warren absolutely would have won the Democratic nomination had she decided to run...and I think she would have been a favorite over anyone in the GOP in a general election.

Democrats really don't have anyone.

Sanders is the only one worth his salt but he made a huge mistake years back identifying himself as socialist. That is basically a death knell.

In comment 12438687 Vanzetti said:

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Democrats really don't have anyone. Sanders is the only one worth his salt but he made a huge mistake years back identifying himself as socialist. That is basically a death knell.

It's hard to win an election with 0% of the Hispanic vote.

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I think Trump can beat Hillary Biden and Sanders

Independents will never vote for Trump..
and Hispanics will savory coming out to vote against Trump

and 20% of independents, and no more than 40% of women. Independents, many of whom actually think about issues and policy, will find Trump extraordinarily distasteful. Promise.

He is campaigning on a sales pitch. That might work in primaries, but it won't work in the general election.

..... who is a member of the WWE Hall of Fame.

And when you listen to him speak, it makes sense. He's a heel, and his campaign is little more than an elaborate promo.
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I would have a hard time voting for either Trump or Bush. I think Trump is playing to people's emotions, with no actual policies to back himself up. As far as Bush, his last name puts him behind the 8-ball, which will cost him votes and endanger the country with a Democrat/Socialist win.

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is that Sanders beats both Bush and Rubio in head to head matchups. Have to think that Bernie would take a beating in attack ads in a general election over being a "socialist" and those numbers might not hold up, but it's still pretty interesting nonetheless.

There is no reason for the scare quotes around socialist - Sanders calls himself one, and proudly. He's at least honest about who he is.

First, we are an eternity from what should be the election process. Any number of things can occur before next year both to the country and the candidates that would dramatically change the results. Second, in this Republican field, there are several candidates who should have dropped out already, or never ran in the first place, but for the campaign contributions of some very wealthy people. The Supreme Court has done major damage to this country and democracy in general.

Last, New Hamshire and Iowa have so little resemblance Ed to the vast majority of the US. Giving these small states an outsized influence on the potential,nominees is absolutely stupid.

He's your groovy Italian or Swedish variety Socialist, the kind who rides a motorscooter through the Piazza.

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Trump may be a dumpster-fire of a candidate, but the guy certainly knows how to perform on camera.

Carson, OTOH, is as dull as dishwasher on TV, has nothing in his background to suggest he should be President, and gets virtually no coverage from the media, and he's polling in 2nd place in most polls I've seen lately. Give the guy a pulse, and who knows what might happen.

as soon as people start paying attention, Hillary will run away with the nomination. I don't think Biden is going to run.

On the Republicans side, I don't think they're going to be able to rid themselves of the wackos like Trump, Cruz, and Carson. They seem to want to go with whoever can appeal to the dumbest Americans. That'll win them the nomination. But the general won't even be close.

But unless something REALLY damming comes out about HRC, she's winning the nomination.

GOP side is more muddled. I think Trump has a real shot. People shouldn't sleep on Carson. He's replaced Bush as the clear #2 in the polls. Bush, Walker, & Rubio have all slipped.

Are not as definitive as they might seem at the moment. The fact that there are 17 candidates in the field and the vote is pretty well split up right now. Once the lesser candidates start to drop out, other candidate or two will build support and challenge Trump.

Also, remember Trump is extremely polarizing and most GOP voters don't even rate him as their second choice. He might have simultaneously the lowest floor and the lowest ceiling.

most voters are idiots. They don't even know what the candidates position on the issues are. They vote party or for whoever social media tells them to vote for. The people here on BBI for the most part are educated so these are not the people I am referring to.

No for the competition...
Hillary is toxic. She has more skeletons in the closet than any other politician...potentially ever. Bury your head in the sand if you want.

Bernie is interesting although he may be too far left to gather enough votes. The funniest thing is watching him campaign in New Hampshire. A Socialist gaining popularity in a state where the slogan is Live Free Or Die. How old is this guy BTW? He is the same age as McCain when he was running for President. Very interesting how the left said you cant vote for McCain because he is too old and he will croak mid term. No such comments about Sanders though. Personally, the age does not matter to me.

Biden - If you look at the field right now, he has a shot especially if Hillary is rightfully forced to bail due to the e-mail catastrophe. However, I think the only way that he really has a true chance is if he picks the right running mate.

Dark Horse on the left - Elizabeth Warren (Pocahantas). I think the Democratic party is a lot smarter than the GOP when it comes to elections. Everything you are seeing is very deliberate. It is all carefully orchestrated. Biden entering now that Hillary is sinking in quicksand. Eventually you will see Warren jump in if Hillary is out.

On the right, the problem here is that the GOP is fractured. They are (as I predicted) discrediting each other and damaging each other's chances. I think it is a joke that there are so many players involved right now. Nobody is a clear solid choice here. Partly because the left is very good at attacking them on the right but also because the GOP simply says the most ridiculous things sometimes.

Trump - The guy could be farther along if he softened his approach and actually thought about what he was saying before he says it. He made a couple of comments that the left is running with. There are three things he needs to do to have a serious shot..
1. He needs to speak to minorities about how he is going to create jobs for them. Not just say I will be the biggest job creator in history. He needs to get into the detail so that the people can truly see the vision. Minorities have seen just broken promises from the Democrats over the years and they are hungry for a real change. Not having the freebees simply cut, but a chance for a better life. A real plan.
2. He needs to also be specific about an economic plan in general. Our economy is in the shitter. We are at zero% interest rates and small businesses are closing left and right. People are living on less today. He needs to share a real plan as to how he can change this.
3. Planned Parenthood - The left has made this a huge wedge issue. The right (like fools) have come out and said they PLAN to de-fund it. If trump can come up with something that is not so harsh and makes sense, then he could win over some of the women who don't work. The women with real jobs will not have a huge issue voting for him.

Now, if Trump and Carson could team up (and this most likely would never happen), then I think together they could run away with it. They will get a large enough portion of the black vote that Trump/Carson would win the election. Do not underestimate those who vote based upon race. Many black voters who voted for Obama because he is black will vote for Carson for the same reason. When Obama ran, you saw black panthers driving people to the polls to get out and vote for him. If Romney and Obama switched parties and also traded their policy positions, Obama still would have won.

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First, we are an eternity from what should be the election process. Any number of things can occur before next year both to the country and the candidates that would dramatically change the results. Second, in this Republican field, there are several candidates who should have dropped out already, or never ran in the first place, but for the campaign contributions of some very wealthy people. The Supreme Court has done major damage to this country and democracy in general. Last, New Hamshire and Iowa have so little resemblance Ed to the vast majority of the US. Giving these small states an outsized influence on the potential,nominees is absolutely stupid.

So there was no money in politics before Citizens United?

In comment 12438934 Emil said:

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Are not as definitive as they might seem at the moment. The fact that there are 17 candidates in the field and the vote is pretty well split up right now. Once the lesser candidates start to drop out, other candidate or two will build support and challenge Trump. Also, remember Trump is extremely polarizing and most GOP voters don't even rate him as their second choice. He might have simultaneously the lowest floor and the lowest ceiling.

That comment makes a lot of sense, but these things are very hard to predict. Let's assume for example that Bush and Rubio are the ones that begin to challenge Trump. They'll probably get the support of people supporting Walker and Cruz. But what about people who support Carson, Paul and Fiorina? Also, there are some state primaries that allow independents to vote. Who will they support?

This race will begin to take the direction you suggested. But will it go far enough in that direction to stop Trump? 28% in a race with over a dozen candidates is a very strong start.