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I keep feeling disappointed with our lack of depth.

yatqb : 8/27/2015 3:44 pm
Imo not only does EVERYTHING have to fall in to place (requiring extraordinary luck) for us to contend this year, but our depth is so poor that there are almost no backup players competent enough to either take over a starting spot if we were to trade a vet in a rebuilding move, or quality depth to trade because of depth at a position.

Preston Parker might be one of the few guys whose loss we could likely overcome and who might yield even a 6th or 7th round pick were he to be traded.

I've gotta put this on Reese, a guy I've always admired but who has crapped out on a number of drafts during his tenure.
I'm usually  
Gman11 : 8/27/2015 3:47 pm : link
pessimistic, but I haven't been this bad since the mid 70s.

They have some nice talent, but the weaknesses could overcome those strong points. I hope I'm wrong and when they start playing for real they kick it up a notch.
There isn't a deep team in the league  
Go Terps : 8/27/2015 3:49 pm : link
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There's thin and then there's anorexic.  
yatqb : 8/27/2015 3:52 pm : link
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This is one of those situations  
gmen9892 : 8/27/2015 3:57 pm : link
Where I feel like we are in the last stage of a rebuild. Typically, the last thing to come in a rebuild is depth (which was a similar issue with the Mets this year till the trade deadline). The Giants can contend this year if they stay relatively healthy and dont lose anymore big players for long periods of time.

I think that with another solid draft next year (which would make 4 in a row) we will see a much more filled out roster that can seriously contend. Before that, we need things to go right.
Depth?  
Doomster : 8/27/2015 4:02 pm : link
How about your starters?

Beatty, Richburg, Schwartz, Newhouse, Cruz, JPP, Beason, Collins, Taylor, Berhe, etc.

And there are a few others with aches and pains....
Last stage of a rebuild?  
Doomster : 8/27/2015 4:03 pm : link
It's like they had a 5 year plan, and have a do over on a couple of the years....
The  
AcidTest : 8/27/2015 4:11 pm : link
lack of depth is a function of injuries for the most part.

Nobody is trading anything for Parker.
we have a young oline core for the next 5-6 years  
superspynyg : 8/27/2015 4:36 pm : link
I think our oline will be dominate next season. Flowers=will be a stud, Pugh will be the vet leadership, Richburg a very solid center who will be comfortable with Eli.
RE: There isn't a deep team in the league  
Big Blue '56 : 8/27/2015 4:46 pm : link
In comment 12438676 Go Terps said:
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THIS!!! Did I say, THIS?
Look at the Bengals roster  
Lionhart28 : 8/27/2015 4:50 pm : link
compared to ours. There isn't a deep team in the league, maybe. But there are a lot of deeper teams. This is the outcome of poor drafting, especially when you can't even get decent depth players in mid to late rounds consistently.
The problem with the Giants  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/27/2015 4:59 pm : link
is they have 1 strength and that's Eli to Beckham. The rest is a major question mark.

The rest of the roster is either question marks or weaknesses.
Agree 100% with this thread  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/27/2015 5:00 pm : link
and total BS that there isn't deep teams in the league. Just 100% wrong.

There are definitely some deep teams in the NFL. The issue is not that you can't build a deep team. The issue is that you can't maintain one (see Seattle).

But that is a farce that it can't be done in the short term. The 2008 Giants team was loaded with starter caliber players backing up at every position except for maybe wide receiver, linebacker and safety.
And to elaborate on my full agreement with this thread  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/27/2015 5:01 pm : link
We do actually have some good starters. I think you could argue our starting lineup is right around 10th best in the NFL (and please note, that is not me saying we are the 10th best team in the NFL).

The problem is exactly as the OP says, we have absolutely no one to fill in at most positions if people go down.
Hard to have depth  
ZogZerg : 8/27/2015 5:15 pm : link
when 20% of your players are injured.
Seattle had a huge advantage the Giants won't have anytime soon:  
81_Great_Dane : 8/27/2015 5:16 pm : link
They have an elite QB playing on a cheap contract. They also drafted one of the best CBs in the league in the 5th round, so he was also cheap. That freed up a lot of cap space to apply to other positions, so yes, they had more depth. Now they're losing that advantage. The team has won a Super Bowl and been to a second, the young guys have rings and now need to get paid. They're going to start losing guys the same way any winning team does.

Any team -- like the Giants -- with a Super Bowl winning QB is going to have a lot of cap money tied up in that position. Any team that has had sustained success (more than one season) and young players who became stars, is going to have trouble paying all those guys. (The Giants have had that issue with JPP, Nicks, Cruz, OBJ, etc.)

Parity. Whatcha gonna do?
I liked the way...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/27/2015 5:39 pm : link
our backups matched up against Jacksonville's. Looked pretty good to me.

One of the things I always pay closer attention to in the preseason is the play of the 2nd and 3rd strings. I realize it's against other teams' depth, but it's often the only time you get to analyze them at all.
Hard to trade guys who are on the bubble  
Ivan15 : 8/27/2015 5:46 pm : link
Even teams with a need for depth at a given position can just wait to see who will be cut. That's why late trades are rarely made for anything more than a 7rd pick.

If the Giants had quality depth, a man-for-man trade could be made to a team with similar quality depth at a position of Giants need.

But where is that depth on the Giants and who needs depth at that position? WR may have the most depth but only if Cruz and Randle are ready to play.
call me crazy  
nyynyg : 8/27/2015 6:18 pm : link
but i actually things are heading in the right direction. I don't think this season is going to be a train wreck. i feel pretty good about our offensive line and like I said months ago, this team's success is all about the offensive line. The QB, RB and WRs will take of things if the line blocks.
RE: Agree 100% with this thread  
Gmen1982 : 8/27/2015 6:34 pm : link
In comment 12438829 Mike in Long Beach said:
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and total BS that there isn't deep teams in the league. Just 100% wrong.

There are definitely some deep teams in the NFL. The issue is not that you can't build a deep team. The issue is that you can't maintain one (see Seattle).

But that is a farce that it can't be done in the short term. The 2008 Giants team was loaded with starter caliber players backing up at every position except for maybe wide receiver, linebacker and safety.


Loaded with depth but everyone blames not winning the Super Bowl on one player
I just don't get it.....  
Doomster : 8/27/2015 6:49 pm : link
I liked the way...
Dan in the Springs : 5:39 pm : link : reply
our backups matched up against Jacksonville's. Looked pretty good to me.

One of the things I always pay closer attention to in the preseason is the play of the 2nd and 3rd strings. I realize it's against other teams' depth, but it's often the only time you get to analyze them at all.


Big freakin' deal our backups beat their backups......and Jacksonville's, no less.....because our backups beat their backups in preseason last year, we were 5-0....yet we had no depth last year.....and we lost 7 straight....

When our franchise qb and best receiver can't get together on one completion in two games, those are matchups I look at....the guys you are looking at, just fill out the roster and basically have no impact during the season.....yes, once in awhile you may find a gem, but there are way more Sean Bennett's and Calhoun's than there are Cruz's.....

hell, we haven't started the season yet, and this roster is becoming a disaster.....keep counting on guys that are cheap and injury prone, Jerry.....

Last year our season was over in October....unless Reese gets ridiculously lucky, with other team's cuts, it will be hard to get to 8-8.....now where can he find 15M in cap space?
when you have  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/27/2015 7:01 pm : link
the most injured team in the league over the last several years, and you've lost many draft picks or core players over the last 6 or so years, then you have to constantly use resources to replace them and you destroy any possibility for depth.

Steve Smith, Terrell THomas, Kenny Phillips, Hakeem Nicks, Chad Jones, David Wilson, Clint Sintim, JPP-- not to mention all the O-line injuries the last few years.

Everything is connected. You lose a lot of guys at one position, and you have to start devoting resources to refill that position and there is an opportunity cost to build elsewhere.
No team has great depth  
Rflairr : 8/27/2015 7:03 pm : link
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the core of this team  
sundayatone : 8/27/2015 7:17 pm : link
is hallow
Picking David Wilson at the bottom of round one hurt this  
wgenesis123 : 8/28/2015 1:46 am : link
team. Not so much Wilson who had bad luck, but using the pick on a running back was a waste when you can get good backs in the later rounds. Hindsight is a wonderfull thing but running backs in round one are not good long term options and the GM is supposed to take the long view in the draft. If he doesn't who will? That O-line needed help, it was getting old.
RE: when you have  
PEEJ : 8/28/2015 6:42 am : link
In comment 12438981 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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the most injured team in the league over the last several years, and you've lost many draft picks or core players over the last 6 or so years, then you have to constantly use resources to replace them and you destroy any possibility for depth.

Steve Smith, Terrell THomas, Kenny Phillips, Hakeem Nicks, Chad Jones, David Wilson, Clint Sintim, JPP-- not to mention all the O-line injuries the last few years.

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This

Everything is connected. You lose a lot of guys at one position, and you have to start devoting resources to refill that position and there is an opportunity cost to build elsewhere.
The roster is better than  
JonC : 8/28/2015 9:03 am : link
The past two seasons, at least.
RE: the core of this team  
Curtis in VA : 8/28/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12438997 sundayatone said:
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is hallow


Really? I think the core of this team is on the upswing. The offensive line has three young guys in Flowers, Pugh, and Richburg. We have Odell at wideout. The defensive line has Hankins, Moore, and Owa. Kennard at LB. Collins at safety and hopefully Prince will stick around.

I think the core of this team is getting better and they are headed in a positive direction.
I forgot Andre Williams  
Curtis in VA : 8/28/2015 9:09 am : link
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RE: RE: the core of this team  
sundayatone : 8/28/2015 9:13 am : link
In comment 12439560 Curtis in VA said:
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In comment 12438997 sundayatone said:


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Really? I think the core of this team is on the upswing. The offensive line has three young guys in Flowers, Pugh, and Richburg. We have Odell at wideout. The defensive line has Hankins, Moore, and Owa. Kennard at LB. Collins at safety and hopefully Prince will stick around.

I think the core of this team is getting better and they are headed in a positive direction.



i think giants fans overrate their player a little to often.more wishin and hopin that they are better then they really are.
Using Seattle as an example of a deep team is misleading  
jcn56 : 8/28/2015 9:14 am : link
because up until now, they had paid peanuts at QB. Let's see how it goes for them starting from this year.

Terps and '56 nailed it - there are no deep teams, thanks to the owners refusing to extend their roster sizes a bit. Not that there's a ton of talent out there, but to develop the talent at the bottom of the roster you need to be able to keep them around longer, and keep more of them around. Had the roster sizes expanded when the CBA changes went through, IMO we'd see much deeper teams because the guys who were basically transient on the practice squad (here one week and cut the next) would be around for the long haul. That would allow you to pick players who you know needed to be developed and might take a season or two to come around at the bottom of the roster without fear of being poached by another team like the PS does.

Instead, the owners stayed with cheap and cheery, and it shows.
RE: Agree 100% with this thread  
Giantology : 8/28/2015 9:22 am : link
In comment 12438829 Mike in Long Beach said:
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and total BS that there isn't deep teams in the league. Just 100% wrong.

There are definitely some deep teams in the NFL. The issue is not that you can't build a deep team. The issue is that you can't maintain one (see Seattle).

But that is a farce that it can't be done in the short term. The 2008 Giants team was loaded with starter caliber players backing up at every position except for maybe wide receiver, linebacker and safety.


Which teams are deep in the NFL right now?
Your mom is deep  
Curtis in VA : 8/28/2015 9:26 am : link
(that wasn't to anyone in particular. I just wanted to say it)
This team is better than last year  
Emil : 8/28/2015 9:43 am : link
And there areas of solid depth.

Most Giants fans are happy with Eli and if the unthinkable happened, many are confident Nassib could move the offense. Not many teams can say that. Look at New England, with Brady expected to miss time. Would you rather have Garoppolo starting 4 games or Nassib?

The Giants RB situation is very deep. Jennings, Williams, Vereen, and Darkwa is a good grouping.

The WRs when healthy are a very deep group. If Randle and Cruz can go week one, find me a better top 3. Add Harris and maybe James Jones and Eli has 5 dangerous weapons.

Many don't see it yet, by the DE position is a deep group. Sure no JPP or elite pass rusher. But the Giants have 5 guys that can play the position well, and have two with big upside.

Where do they lack depth?
OL - product of age, injuries, and mid-round picks that did not pan out.

TE - If Cunningham shows something this could change

DT - Mostly because no one outside of the coaching staff anyway has confidence in Kuhn.

LB - Kennard is a keeper, JT Thomas has played one good preseason game for the Giants (need to see more), but Beason is always hurt, Herzlich is limited and we don't really know what we have in Casillias at the moment.

DB - Aside from DRC and Prince the cupboard is bare at CB and the safeties are unproven.

No team is strong everywhere. Sure, teams like the Packers and Bengals are pretty deep and have drafted well, but even teams like the Bills who are deep on Defense are thin at OL and unproven at QB. Even the Seahawks are having OL problems, and don't scare anyone at WR. We'd all like more depth, but you can't be strong everywhere. It's just not possible in the modern NFL. This is why QB, WR, and DE are and will remain your premier positions.
RE: Look at the Bengals roster  
Jersey55 : 8/28/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12438807 Lionhart28 said:
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compared to ours. There isn't a deep team in the league, maybe. But there are a lot of deeper teams. This is the outcome of poor drafting, especially when you can't even get decent depth players in mid to late rounds consistently.
I agree with you basic thoughts here but I might add that ALL teams get there players from the same source, college, but the difference between the good teams and the slugs is that some coaches are able to get a whole lot more out of the same level player and make them into starters and then there is the Giants who struggle with the same level player or put them on the practice squad, thats the difference.......
RE: The  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/28/2015 6:07 pm : link
In comment 12438740 AcidTest said:
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lack of depth is a function of injuries for the most part.

Nobody is trading anything for Parker.


It's also a function of a ton misses in the drafts from 3-5 years ago along w injuries Nothing to show from a bunch of drafts. Combo of the two IMO
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