I think we are pretty much getting back to Flores at SS full time though. Against lefties, Wright and Cuddyer are back now so Murphy likely plays second with Flores at SS, and against righties Flores is the full time SS except when Niese pitches. So I look at it like one day a week off. It's ok.
The regular rest his chronic knee is getting. Give him his days off and maybe he'll produce the rest of the way like he is now. Playing everyday certainly wasn't a panacea for his struggles in the first half of the season.
Cuddyer doesn't have a knee condition. He sprained it on a slide at the end of June. If you check his Early July numbers when he was ailing he was actually red hot then too. From all reports its 100% healed now. I do agree at his age we can rest him more however.
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Red hot Cuddyer over Johnson, but Tejada plays SS for Niese. That's been going on for a few weeks now.
That's fine but then Flores should be playing 2nd over Johnson.
Agreed but as long as it's just one day off, I'm cool with it. It's kind of awesome that today we are bummed Flores and Cuddyer aren't in the lineup, yesterday TDA and Wright rested, the day before Granderson and Conforto. We are pretty much resting 2 awesome players every day and still getting results. Could bode well come October.
The Mets provided an encouraging updated on injured first baseman Lucas Duda this afternoon, as hes expected to return from the disabled list when hes first eligible next weekend.
According to Marc Carig of New York Newsday, Duda was diagnosed with a small thoracic disc herniation in his back following X-rays and an MRI. The Mets believe that a rehab plan of anti-inflammatories and exercise will do the trick.
Thanks to a ridiculous power surge from late July to early August, Duda has 21 home runs and an .856 OPS in 113 games this season. Daniel Murphy is starting at first base tonight with David Wright back in the lineup, but Michael Cuddyer also figures to get some playing time at the position while Duda is sidelined.
instead of Thor if we happen to reach the playoffs!! F@#$ that!! Its the playoffs, you run your best out there no matter what! I really hope this staff learned something from the Nats and Strasburg. You don't take anything for granted if you get to October.
If darno can ever stay healthy he'll make an all star team or two.
Yes you don't take anything for granted if you get to October.
On the other hand you don't take for granted that you will get to October.
So let's just wait until we get crazy about the hypothetical playoff rotation.
You're right. It's just been mentioned around here like its a forgone conclusion. I'm just hoping this staff doesn't roll that way. It's beyond idiotic.
instead of Thor if we happen to reach the playoffs!! F@#$ that!! Its the playoffs, you run your best out there no matter what! I really hope this staff learned something from the Nats and Strasburg. You don't take anything for granted if you get to October.
Um, Thor just got lit up the other night too... I think Niese following Harvey & deGrom is a unique change of pace.
instead of Thor if we happen to reach the playoffs!! F@#$ that!! Its the playoffs, you run your best out there no matter what! I really hope this staff learned something from the Nats and Strasburg. You don't take anything for granted if you get to October.
Um, Thor just got lit up the other night too... I think Niese following Harvey & deGrom is a unique change of pace.
Are you really gonna argue that Niese will give us a better chance to win? Come on.
instead of Thor if we happen to reach the playoffs!! F@#$ that!! Its the playoffs, you run your best out there no matter what! I really hope this staff learned something from the Nats and Strasburg. You don't take anything for granted if you get to October.
Um, Thor just got lit up the other night too... I think Niese following Harvey & deGrom is a unique change of pace.
I would run Thor out there over Niese 10/10 times. Wouldn't give a damn about his road/home splits either. He just posses more talent in his pinky than Niese could ever dream about.
And yes he has gotten hit hard recently, but those stretches happen to everyone.
Doesn't hurt to have a lefty in the rotation either.
Guess we just differ in opinion. I would throw the best I had out there. Thor is the better pitcher. It's what I would do and what I hope this staff does.
Is probably academic because Thor may be in bullpen. And if he doesn't go BP then it will sort itself out over the next month. Whoever pitches better down the stretch. And don't be surprised if Matz gets into that conversation.
Is probably academic because Thor may be in bullpen. And if he doesn't go BP then it will sort itself out over the next month. Whoever pitches better down the stretch. And don't be surprised if Matz gets into that conversation.
I'm just hoping that innings count is not what keeps Thor from starting over Niese if the Mets happen to get to October. I just don't trust Niese, he is just a junk baller lefty. Thor has the talent to dominate anyone on a given night.
But I generally like him. Consistently good hitter. Seems like a great teammate. He's one of those lunch-pail types of players you love having on your team. Gonna miss his bumbling defensive ass.
Might sound crazy to some. But I'm impressed with some of the young guys on the Phillies. Gomez has good stuff.
Young with some talent. Gomez, outside the other day agaisnt you guys has been good. Garcia has some good stuff, needs consistency. Giles is a beast. They are going in the right direction. Just need a couple years.
Thats why the number 1 pick is essential this year.
The true indication is always the batters reflex and in this case he didn't come up hopping rather DW took off immediately after contact.
Not necessarily. If it just nicked his cleat than the player may not even feel it much. I thought I saw it change direction on the replays. It wouldn't take much to do that. Either way, the result was good.
The true indication is always the batters reflex and in this case he didn't come up hopping rather DW took off immediately after contact.
Not necessarily. If it just nicked his cleat than the player may not even feel it much. I thought I saw it change direction on the replays. It wouldn't take much to do that. Either way, the result was good.
Your eyes are probably much better than mine but I thought that centerfield camera shot showed it to be pretty clear.
He had a rough patch earlier in the year but he's quietly been pretty solid for a while. He was getting paired with Alex and was unfairly labeled a disaster.
He will not be here next year. I don't see him being happy as a reserve and he certainly will not want to be paid as one. Third is Wright. First is Duda. And second is either Herrera or Flores next year IMO. Someone will pay him to play 2B and or DH
You're probably right because the Mets will likely look to save some money here. But IMO he is better than Flores or Herrea and with Wright's back issues a great insurance to have on the roster.
He will not be here next year. I don't see him being happy as a reserve and he certainly will not want to be paid as one. Third is Wright. First is Duda. And second is either Herrera or Flores next year IMO. Someone will pay him to play 2B and or DH
They can't assume wright will be an everyday player. Murphy would get plenty of playing time.
But yeah, someone will pay him to play 2nd or DH most likely
He will not be here next year. I don't see him being happy as a reserve and he certainly will not want to be paid as one. Third is Wright. First is Duda. And second is either Herrera or Flores next year IMO. Someone will pay him to play 2B and or DH
I think they'll pay him to play third. He's better defensively there.
He will not be here next year. I don't see him being happy as a reserve and he certainly will not want to be paid as one. Third is Wright. First is Duda. And second is either Herrera or Flores next year IMO. Someone will pay him to play 2B and or DH
I think they'll pay him to play third. He's better defensively there.
No chance Murphy gets his money as a DH. His value is at 2b or 3b. DH's don't hold a ton of value if you aren't a David Ortiz type.
AAA-
Stauffer with a gem 8.1 innings 4 hits 0 runs 0 walks 5 k's (a potential 9/1 callup)
Alvarez .1 perfect
Herrera 1-4
Kirk 1-3 HR
Nimmo did not play (gotta be hurt, Wally would bench him for 3 straight?)
AA
Goeddel 1.1 innings 3 hits 2 runs 1 walk 1 k (meh, woulda been nice to see a good outing)
Smoker 0.1 1 walk 1 k
Sewald 1 perfect 2 k's (fantastic season)
Rivera 2-4
A+
Smith 2-5 HR (had been slumping previously
Rosario 0-5, 3 k's
McNeil 2-5, 2b
We're going to have the lowest payroll in baseball.
Right? We can't just not sign people because they cost too much or well get nobody. Free agency is essentially an auction and so by definition the team that gets him will have paid over his market as determined by all the other teams in the league.
If they don't sign those guys then the only way to make up for that money wise is if they hand out longer term contracts to Harvey and Duda.
Is if he's offered and accepted a QO. He's eligible for that, right? I'm not sure how that works but, they get a pick of some sort back.
Yes he's eligible but it would be stunning to see
1. Mets gamble 16+ million on Daniel Murphy
2. A young father deciding to take 1 year 16 over what surely will net him more years somewhere else. Not at 16, but 3 for 36 type money. It's a near lock he's an ex-Met.
No one expected Cuddyer to get the QO, so with Murphy - who knows. It is doubtful, but does he take a one year over market deal at the risk of missing out on a 4 year deal? Will be very interesting to see how this plays out. More nights like last night increase the odds he gets the QO and Mets get a pick for him :)
Cespedes. It may or may not be him, we can't be focused on him and only him at the risk of grossly overpaying. He has shown the FO the importance of the big bat to this lineup in particular. Worst case scenario is Cespedes is replaced by the trade deadline next July. Worst case, so I wouldn't sweat it too much today.
BTW - cool move on Tigers part. Fulmer missed pitching against his former team the other day, so they sent him out as captain to the plate. Small, but very professional thing to do.
think a missing part of the equation is how ready they think Herrera is to step in and give "Murphy" production and/or Flores at 2b and someone else at SS.
Thor's worst season was last season and he still posted a 3.70 FIP with 9.81 K/9 and we all know about the PCL/LV. Nimmo's OPS this season is now... .711 and is now barely playing. Something is amiss. Shecky is now basically the 2nd "source" to comment on Nimmo's "off field" concerns. Conforto being told he needed to grow up would be similar to Thor.
the concern is Nimmo's "issues" are impacting his production. Not "he's been really good but can be a baby". He's been poor and apparently according to Shecky has some off field stuff that is holding him back.
Working and work ethic arent the issue - just working hard on the wrong things. Needs to want to be great. Has to fall in love with the game again.
Thanks Shecky. Lopez is generally highly thought of throughout the game so I found this to be surprising. Again, I think there must be an injury issue here... 3 straight games not in the lineup?
for context all 3 of BA, BP and milb.com moved Thor's prospect ranking UP following last season despite the inflated era. Nobody is doing that with Nimmo this year.
I could understand if it's frustration boiling over. I'm sure he thinks he's better than what he's done to this point. A month ago he was in the futures game with Conforto, now his buddy is in the show and achieving while he's looking lost.
Boy, not only are the Mets hot, but they seem to have a horseshoe
I could understand if it's frustration boiling over. I'm sure he thinks he's better than what he's done to this point. A month ago he was in the futures game with Conforto, now his buddy is in the show and achieving while he's looking lost.
That's fair. Just don't think Thor's "issues" were the same. Thor was basically being put through finishing school. He was almost a 2014 callup.
there is a mandate from the top to play potential September call-ups the week or to leading up to the month. Makes perfect sense that Ceciliani, Kirk, and EYJ would get the majority of the playing time leading up to Sep 1.
AAA- Lugo (Interesting arm)
AA- Koch (could be a 2016 Mets pen option if not claimed)
A+ Reyes (potential MLB reliever)
A Prevost (huge kid but very meh season overall for his level)
BK Villasmil
Kingsport Crismatt (nice year)
there is a mandate from the top to play potential September call-ups the week or to leading up to the month. Makes perfect sense that Ceciliani, Kirk, and EYJ would get the majority of the playing time leading up to Sep 1.
And bench him 3 straight games? Sorry I'm not buying that one at all. To play yes? Sure. If that were the case why even promote him when they did? He has 25 total ab's the last 2 weeks (Since August 14). He hit .120 with 10 k's in his last 25 ab's and suddenly stopped playing. Also hasn't been used as a pinch hitter or runner. Yesterday Jayce Boyd was used over him.
but Im back on the offer Murphy a QO train. 90% chance he turns it down and after his recent resurgence he likely gets a nice deal on the open market. If he takes it, its a one year commitment. Its not some albatross. And he is an extremely useful player anyway and would protect against Wright's back. Its a win win for us.
wouldn't he have been left in AA? or sent back to AA when it was clear he wouldn't play at all? His performance/injury are the issue here. Bottom line 3/25 with 10 k's sends you to the bench. Question is if something is ailing him or not.
there is a mandate from the top to play potential September call-ups the week or to leading up to the month. Makes perfect sense that Ceciliani, Kirk, and EYJ would get the majority of the playing time leading up to Sep 1.
And bench him 3 straight games? Sorry I'm not buying that one at all. To play yes? Sure. If that were the case why even promote him when they did? He has 25 total ab's the last 2 weeks (Since August 14). He hit .120 with 10 k's in his last 25 ab's and suddenly stopped playing. Also hasn't been used as a pinch hitter or runner. Yesterday Jayce Boyd was used over him.
Boyd over him is odd so maybe he did tweak something. I hadn't checked the box last night.
said he's feeling good. So far he's looking physically very good. Doesn't have the pressure to carry the team anymore
Feel that's the case with SO many players right now. Wright, Cuddyer, Flores, TDA, Murphy, even somebody like Lagares. The pressure is completely off now. I have a hunch Duda is going to benefit from this too. He too often has tried to carry this team. Now he also will be one of the guys.
Martino Bartolo Colon will spend the next few weeks basically auditioning for a spot on the postseason roster. The team has not ruled out using him in a late-inning relief role, but is leaving open the possibility of excluding him entirely.
-There is active debate, and nowhere near agreement, on whether to move Noah Syndergaard to the bullpen. In internal discussions, some Mets people salivate over the notion of Syndergaard blowing 100 mph in the seventh inning.
Others worry about his lack of experience in that role, and are hesitant to move him from the rotation in September. With both Syndergaard and Matz, the Mets would want to do it soon, so they could gain experience pitching in relief.
-Hoping that Matz will start for them in October, the Mets are closely watching several lefties in their system, including Scott Rice, Dario Alvarez and Josh Smoker.
Yes, we understand that you might consider that list uninspiring. Asked on Thursday if it was realistic for a guy in Triple-A in late August to pitch in big postseason spots, Sandy Alderson said, Why not?
-The Mets are unlikely to trade for another reliever before Tuesday.
-The team is not inclined to move Jon Niese to the bullpen.
I would love to have him as a utility guy and insurance for Wright. But someone will pay him big bucks to be 2B and occasional DH. even if the Mets want him he will test the market
I would love to have him as a utility guy and insurance for Wright. But someone will pay him big bucks to be 2B and occasional DH. even if the Mets want him he will test the market
In the unlikely situation Murphy were offered the QO and accepted he's not going to be a utility player for 16+ million. He's your starting 2b.
since he has the least innings left and hasn't had TJS (maybe that's not really meaningful, but based on his size/strength/arm he seems like a guy whose arm is a little less delicate than the other starters).
It is incumbent on him to figure out how to be effective when it happens. That's all part of being a pro and he can't view it as an excuse if he pitched poorly.
Let Alvarez come up and take over EOF's spot next week.
Gilmartin has been excellent, Torres has been fine, Robles is emerging as a reliable 7th inning option and we have Verrett as a swingman. Just get EOF out of there and replace him with a reliable lefty and I think we have the groundwork for what should be a pretty solid bullpen going into October.
After that, depth, depth, depth. You can never be deep enough in the pen.
A while back I mentioned that as the most likely solution to his innings issue in the playoffs. One thought right now is to have him pitch out of the pen 1-2 times when they skip his turn to see how he deals with it. It solves multiple problems for the team...
agreed. Harvey as your #1 conceivably could throw 35-50 playoff innings. He needs to learn to deal with extra time. For such an incredible competitor and great player he does make a lot of excuses when he's off.
I don't think anyone's saying Harvey will use it as an excuse if he struggles and it's nothing to be concerned about even if he does. He's not going to get 10 days off between postseason starts if we make it. It'd be a non-issue.
He may well go out and dominate tonight. Who knows.
I don't think anyone's saying Harvey will use it as an excuse if he struggles and it's nothing to be concerned about even if he does. He's not going to get 10 days off between postseason starts if we make it. It'd be a non-issue.
He may well go out and dominate tonight. Who knows.
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He's previously complained about it on multiple occasions.
July 5 ""With the six-man and then the day off, throwing last Saturday and then this Saturday is tough," Harvey said. "We're all having to deal with it. It's not an excuse why things didn't go well today. I just have to do a better job of finding a way to get a rhythm throughout an extended period of rest like that.""
Back in May-
Its different, Harvey said about pitching with extra rest. Weve all been going through it. Every single one of us has had an extra day here or there. Dealing with it is something you have to do. I dont think I did a very good job of that. I think were all excited to go back to a five-day rotation. It is what it is.
QO thing will be interesting to follow. If he finishes strong, he'll likely sign somewhere else instead of take the QO and we'll get a 1st. Worst case, if he's good enough to give the QO to and he takes it, we keep him for one more year in his prime and let Dilson rake in AAA for another year.
I'm well aware. But that was because of the 6 man rotation which, at the time, was supposed to be something we went with for a while. He didn't like the idea of the extra day between multiple, consecutive starts. This is not really the same.
And again, it doesn't even matter. He's not going to get "skipped" in October. The excuse part of it is basically irrelevant because he's not going to be pitching playoff games on extended rest.
RE: Nimmo and Cecchini are both in and out of the lineup a lot
I'm well aware. But that was because of the 6 man rotation which, at the time, was supposed to be something we went with for a while. He didn't like the idea of the extra day between multiple, consecutive starts. This is not really the same.
And again, it doesn't even matter. He's not going to get "skipped" in October. The excuse part of it is basically irrelevant because he's not going to be pitching playoff games on extended rest.
No but pretty good odds he's skipped at least 1 more time.
But the games he pitches while the Mets are in the middle of a pennant race are meaningful also. His starts aren't throw away games and he needs to pitch well when called upon.
And again, it won't matter. I don't even know what the argument is. It's not like it's something he has to "get used to" doing or learn to deal with. It's just a particular set of circumstances for right now so that he can pitch in the postseason. Once we get there, this isn't something anyone will have to worry about.
There's a good chance he doesn't even miss a beat anyway.
But I could see Matz displacing Niese if their performance merits it. Mets could also roll the dice and go with the four young studs. Probably September performances will have a lot to do with who gets the nod.
Yeah, there's no way Colon is starting postseason games. The only chance he has (and it is miniscule) of appearing in the postseason would be out of the pen in some capacity. Don't see him being a part of the postseason roster at all, though.
deGrom, Harvey, Niese, Matz should be the playoff rotation. Thor out of the pen.
As soon as it became apparent that the Mets will not be offering him a contract extension I have been praying that this is what happens. In the worst case scenario where he accepts yea you will be paying probably 4 million over market value for Murphy, but realistically you will be able to unload that at the trade deadline provided he is having some semblance of a decent year.
Just look at the contract that mediocre Pablo got (granted with post season success) as evidence that there simply are not a ton of good offensive 3rd or 2nd base players out there. On a team who needs a 3b Murphy would be a logical fit for say 4/48.
I am still irked with the Billy Wagner situation so this would finally be their chance to recoup value off an asset, something they have seemingly been unable to do under previous regimes.
Absolutely agree. But of course that could change based upon how they finish these last five weeks. But it would be great if Matz pushed his way in to the rotation.
goes lights out during September, or there's a rush of injuries, there's no way he should be starting a playoff game for us.
I'd go with DeGrom/Harvey/Niese and let Matz and Thor fight it out for the last spot with the loser going to the pen. If Niese has a bad September, I'd just roll with the 4 kids.
but the bullpen better be ready for that game 3/4 he starts in a postseason series. I trust Matz (or Thor if they send Matz out there) more i think - if for no other reason than league hitters dont have much tape/experience against him.
LOL, I don't know why people always need to get so far ahead. Can we just get into the postseason THIS year first? I am not even remotely worried about the Nationals at this point but things change so fast and injuries can wreck pitchers careers and de-rail seasons.
I just want the Mets to make the most of this year and this opportunity. It's hard to take mentions of a potential "dynasty" seriously when we've still accomplished nothing to date.
to win championship before mentioning a dynasty. With the way the rotation is being set up for next few years, you can say the Mets are positioned to be competitive in the near future.
I'd just like to see the Mets win the world series once. I was only 4 during '86 and don't remember any of it. Seeing the team win the big one and all the celebrations that would ensue afterwards would be enough for this metnut.
winning just one world series won't be easy. teams like the dodgers/cubs/pirates/cardinals are all loaded and aren't going anywhere, and that's just the nl.
LOL, I don't know why people always need to get so far ahead. Can we just get into the postseason THIS year first? I am not even remotely worried about the Nationals at this point but things change so fast and injuries can wreck pitchers careers and de-rail seasons.
I just want the Mets to make the most of this year and this opportunity. It's hard to take mentions of a potential "dynasty" seriously when we've still accomplished nothing to date.
I'm not blaming you, it's just the general need people always have to look ahead and fast forward rather than focusing on and enjoying the now.
This stretch of Mets baseball has been the most enjoyable product we've seen in nearly a decade and the potential is there for something even bigger.
Sometimes you almost forget to take in the moment when something special is happening with a team you root for because you're so fixated on the next stop or what's further down the road.
The endless posts about Cespedes are a prime example. Instead of enjoying the guy right now while he's providing us the best, and really only legit 5 tool player we've had since prime Beltran, everyone is preoccupied with his contract and whether or not we can get him to stay.
I'm not blaming you, it's just the general need people always have to look ahead and fast forward rather than focusing on and enjoying the now.
This stretch of Mets baseball has been the most enjoyable product we've seen in nearly a decade and the potential is there for something even bigger.
Sometimes you almost forget to take in the moment when something special is happening with a team you root for because you're so fixated on the next stop or what's further down the road.
The endless posts about Cespedes are a prime example. Instead of enjoying the guy right now while he's providing us the best, and really only legit 5 tool player we've had since prime Beltran, everyone is preoccupied with his contract and whether or not we can get him to stay.
The Scoop: The blue-chip lefthander, rehabbing from a strained lat muscle, breezed through his most recent start. After one more rehab start, hell be back at Citi Field in time for the pennant run, unleashing his mid-90s heat and a plus changeup as well as a curveball thats developing more shape.
1) When the Phillies were on top a few years ago and the Mets in the cellar....did Philly fans overtake Citified like Mets fans have to CBP?
2) I'm jealous because the Mets get to invade Philly, as do the Knicks (two NY teams I don't like), but in Football and Hockey, the Giants/Rangers have never been able to invade Philly anything like that...I wish the Iggles and Flyers would tank for a few seasons like the Phillies/Sixers do. Every sport where Philly is a rival they never hit rock bottom and I have to deal with a hostile Philly fanbase,
That's fine but then Flores should be playing 2nd over Johnson.
Cuddy is hot and is .308 in his career against Harang. And he starts Johnson whos hitting .111 against him.
The Mets have won 8 straight series vs. Phillies, their longest series winning streak in team history against Philadelphia.
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Red hot Cuddyer over Johnson, but Tejada plays SS for Niese. That's been going on for a few weeks now.
That's fine but then Flores should be playing 2nd over Johnson.
Agreed but as long as it's just one day off, I'm cool with it. It's kind of awesome that today we are bummed Flores and Cuddyer aren't in the lineup, yesterday TDA and Wright rested, the day before Granderson and Conforto. We are pretty much resting 2 awesome players every day and still getting results. Could bode well come October.
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According to Marc Carig of New York Newsday, Duda was diagnosed with a small thoracic disc herniation in his back following X-rays and an MRI. The Mets believe that a rehab plan of anti-inflammatories and exercise will do the trick.
Thanks to a ridiculous power surge from late July to early August, Duda has 21 home runs and an .856 OPS in 113 games this season. Daniel Murphy is starting at first base tonight with David Wright back in the lineup, but Michael Cuddyer also figures to get some playing time at the position while Duda is sidelined.
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Cuddy is hot and is .308 in his career against Harang. And he starts Johnson whos hitting .111 against him.
They are facing 2 lefties against Boston which probably was what Collins was thinking
Guess what ? You don't know better , hence why you're on your couch
On the other hand you don't take for granted that you will get to October.
So let's just wait until we get crazy about the hypothetical playoff rotation.
On the other hand you don't take for granted that you will get to October.
So let's just wait until we get crazy about the hypothetical playoff rotation.
You're right. It's just been mentioned around here like its a forgone conclusion. I'm just hoping this staff doesn't roll that way. It's beyond idiotic.
this team is fun
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Um, Thor just got lit up the other night too... I think Niese following Harvey & deGrom is a unique change of pace.
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instead of Thor if we happen to reach the playoffs!! F@#$ that!! Its the playoffs, you run your best out there no matter what! I really hope this staff learned something from the Nats and Strasburg. You don't take anything for granted if you get to October.
Um, Thor just got lit up the other night too... I think Niese following Harvey & deGrom is a unique change of pace.
Are you really gonna argue that Niese will give us a better chance to win? Come on.
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instead of Thor if we happen to reach the playoffs!! F@#$ that!! Its the playoffs, you run your best out there no matter what! I really hope this staff learned something from the Nats and Strasburg. You don't take anything for granted if you get to October.
Um, Thor just got lit up the other night too... I think Niese following Harvey & deGrom is a unique change of pace.
I would run Thor out there over Niese 10/10 times. Wouldn't give a damn about his road/home splits either. He just posses more talent in his pinky than Niese could ever dream about.
And yes he has gotten hit hard recently, but those stretches happen to everyone.
thor needs to limit his innings
what's the problem exactly?
Guess we just differ in opinion. I would throw the best I had out there. Thor is the better pitcher. It's what I would do and what I hope this staff does.
I'm just hoping that innings count is not what keeps Thor from starting over Niese if the Mets happen to get to October. I just don't trust Niese, he is just a junk baller lefty. Thor has the talent to dominate anyone on a given night.
They had the go ahead hitter up in the 8th after falling behind 6-0. They do fight. Its encouraging to see.
And props to Rflair for owning up to his comment earlier
Ump is cukoo.
Young with some talent. Gomez, outside the other day agaisnt you guys has been good. Garcia has some good stuff, needs consistency. Giles is a beast. They are going in the right direction. Just need a couple years.
Thats why the number 1 pick is essential this year.
Calling balls strikes, calling strikes ball.
This guy is f'n awful. You fall behind 3-0 to a relief pitcher not even looking to swing, you deserve to lose.
Calling balls strikes, calling strikes ball.
He has been equally bad for both teams. That being said I think he gets a huge playoff game because he is one of the least reversed umps
The true indication is always the batters reflex and in this case he didn't come up hopping rather DW took off immediately after contact.
He's awful, but then again so is the majority of their pen. Outside Gomez, Garcia, and Giles.... they have no one who is worth being on the roster.
This Defratus guy may be worse. Thank god he only needs 1 run.
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The true indication is always the batters reflex and in this case he didn't come up hopping rather DW took off immediately after contact.
Not necessarily. If it just nicked his cleat than the player may not even feel it much. I thought I saw it change direction on the replays. It wouldn't take much to do that. Either way, the result was good.
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Lucky break
The true indication is always the batters reflex and in this case he didn't come up hopping rather DW took off immediately after contact.
Not necessarily. If it just nicked his cleat than the player may not even feel it much. I thought I saw it change direction on the replays. It wouldn't take much to do that. Either way, the result was good.
Your eyes are probably much better than mine but I thought that centerfield camera shot showed it to be pretty clear.
2+ innings, part of an amazing play, infield hit and scored the go ahead run!
Bravo, sir...
He has mentioned in the past he would likely give the Mets a home town discount so you never know.
Short turn around, get your rest boys.
Yep, and kept him from running up on Torres and possibly spiking him.
They can't assume wright will be an everyday player. Murphy would get plenty of playing time.
But yeah, someone will pay him to play 2nd or DH most likely
But not at 5/60, which is what he might get from some other team. So he is probably gone.
I think they'll pay him to play third. He's better defensively there.
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I think they'll pay him to play third. He's better defensively there.
No chance Murphy gets his money as a DH. His value is at 2b or 3b. DH's don't hold a ton of value if you aren't a David Ortiz type.
Stauffer with a gem 8.1 innings 4 hits 0 runs 0 walks 5 k's (a potential 9/1 callup)
Alvarez .1 perfect
Herrera 1-4
Kirk 1-3 HR
Nimmo did not play (gotta be hurt, Wally would bench him for 3 straight?)
AA
Goeddel 1.1 innings 3 hits 2 runs 1 walk 1 k (meh, woulda been nice to see a good outing)
Smoker 0.1 1 walk 1 k
Sewald 1 perfect 2 k's (fantastic season)
Rivera 2-4
A+
Smith 2-5 HR (had been slumping previously
Rosario 0-5, 3 k's
McNeil 2-5, 2b
Savannah
Johnson 4-5, 2 2b, HR, BB
Becerra 1-6, 2 k's
Garcia 1-3, 3 bb
Katz 0-6 4 k's (17 k's last 36 ab's)
Flexen 5 innings 6 hits 3 runs 1 walk 3 k's
BK
Lindsay 1-2, BB (nice)
Thompson 1-4
GCL
Rasquin 2-4 2 bb
de Aza 2-4, 2 bb
Kingsport
Carpio 3-5
Winningham 0-5
Ramos 2-5, 2 2b
Mazeika 1-5
Llanes 7 innings 6 hits 3 runs 1 walk 6 k's
Right? We can't just not sign people because they cost too much or well get nobody. Free agency is essentially an auction and so by definition the team that gets him will have paid over his market as determined by all the other teams in the league.
If they don't sign those guys then the only way to make up for that money wise is if they hand out longer term contracts to Harvey and Duda.
Yes he's eligible but it would be stunning to see
1. Mets gamble 16+ million on Daniel Murphy
2. A young father deciding to take 1 year 16 over what surely will net him more years somewhere else. Not at 16, but 3 for 36 type money. It's a near lock he's an ex-Met.
Cespedes. It may or may not be him, we can't be focused on him and only him at the risk of grossly overpaying. He has shown the FO the importance of the big bat to this lineup in particular. Worst case scenario is Cespedes is replaced by the trade deadline next July. Worst case, so I wouldn't sweat it too much today.
BTW - cool move on Tigers part. Fulmer missed pitching against his former team the other day, so they sent him out as captain to the plate. Small, but very professional thing to do.
Focus and distractions - needs to rededicate to the GAME. This offseason is make or break for him in the organization.
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verified AT ALL but someone I spoke to said he "heard" Nimmo was promoted to AAA because he and Lopez were clashing. No idea if true or not.
Focus and distractions - needs to rededicate to the GAME. This offseason is make or break for him in the organization.
Sort of surprising given his rep for being a hard worker in the off-season. Has the talent. Hopefully Conforto passing him is a wakeup call
Thor's production was always A+. Pretty massive difference don't you think?
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Worked out so far.
Thor's production was always A+. Pretty massive difference don't you think?
I thought we were talking about a personality issue?
Thor's worst season was last season and he still posted a 3.70 FIP with 9.81 K/9 and we all know about the PCL/LV. Nimmo's OPS this season is now... .711 and is now barely playing. Something is amiss. Shecky is now basically the 2nd "source" to comment on Nimmo's "off field" concerns. Conforto being told he needed to grow up would be similar to Thor.
Thanks Shecky. Lopez is generally highly thought of throughout the game so I found this to be surprising. Again, I think there must be an injury issue here... 3 straight games not in the lineup?
Admittedly never heard of Olivo until recently
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That's fair. Just don't think Thor's "issues" were the same. Thor was basically being put through finishing school. He was almost a 2014 callup.
AA- Koch (could be a 2016 Mets pen option if not claimed)
A+ Reyes (potential MLB reliever)
A Prevost (huge kid but very meh season overall for his level)
BK Villasmil
Kingsport Crismatt (nice year)
And bench him 3 straight games? Sorry I'm not buying that one at all. To play yes? Sure. If that were the case why even promote him when they did? He has 25 total ab's the last 2 weeks (Since August 14). He hit .120 with 10 k's in his last 25 ab's and suddenly stopped playing. Also hasn't been used as a pinch hitter or runner. Yesterday Jayce Boyd was used over him.
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there is a mandate from the top to play potential September call-ups the week or to leading up to the month. Makes perfect sense that Ceciliani, Kirk, and EYJ would get the majority of the playing time leading up to Sep 1.
And bench him 3 straight games? Sorry I'm not buying that one at all. To play yes? Sure. If that were the case why even promote him when they did? He has 25 total ab's the last 2 weeks (Since August 14). He hit .120 with 10 k's in his last 25 ab's and suddenly stopped playing. Also hasn't been used as a pinch hitter or runner. Yesterday Jayce Boyd was used over him.
Boyd over him is odd so maybe he did tweak something. I hadn't checked the box last night.
Feel that's the case with SO many players right now. Wright, Cuddyer, Flores, TDA, Murphy, even somebody like Lagares. The pressure is completely off now. I have a hunch Duda is going to benefit from this too. He too often has tried to carry this team. Now he also will be one of the guys.
Not with the 3 aces going at home I'm not :)
And though I still haven't gotten used to saying this yet.. I expect us to put runs on the board.
-There is active debate, and nowhere near agreement, on whether to move Noah Syndergaard to the bullpen. In internal discussions, some Mets people salivate over the notion of Syndergaard blowing 100 mph in the seventh inning.
Others worry about his lack of experience in that role, and are hesitant to move him from the rotation in September. With both Syndergaard and Matz, the Mets would want to do it soon, so they could gain experience pitching in relief.
-Hoping that Matz will start for them in October, the Mets are closely watching several lefties in their system, including Scott Rice, Dario Alvarez and Josh Smoker.
Yes, we understand that you might consider that list uninspiring. Asked on Thursday if it was realistic for a guy in Triple-A in late August to pitch in big postseason spots, Sandy Alderson said, Why not?
-The Mets are unlikely to trade for another reliever before Tuesday.
-The team is not inclined to move Jon Niese to the bullpen.
In the unlikely situation Murphy were offered the QO and accepted he's not going to be a utility player for 16+ million. He's your starting 2b.
Gilmartin has been excellent, Torres has been fine, Robles is emerging as a reliable 7th inning option and we have Verrett as a swingman. Just get EOF out of there and replace him with a reliable lefty and I think we have the groundwork for what should be a pretty solid bullpen going into October.
After that, depth, depth, depth. You can never be deep enough in the pen.
He may well go out and dominate tonight. Who knows.
He may well go out and dominate tonight. Who knows.
Arc,
He's previously complained about it on multiple occasions.
Back in May-
Its different, Harvey said about pitching with extra rest. Weve all been going through it. Every single one of us has had an extra day here or there. Dealing with it is something you have to do. I dont think I did a very good job of that. I think were all excited to go back to a five-day rotation. It is what it is.
But if not, getting benched is not always a bad thing. We don't know what attitude problems or maturity issues these guys have.
And again, it doesn't even matter. He's not going to get "skipped" in October. The excuse part of it is basically irrelevant because he's not going to be pitching playoff games on extended rest.
But if not, getting benched is not always a bad thing. We don't know what attitude problems or maturity issues these guys have.
Cecchini has a hip issue. Originally called a groin issue.
And again, it doesn't even matter. He's not going to get "skipped" in October. The excuse part of it is basically irrelevant because he's not going to be pitching playoff games on extended rest.
No but pretty good odds he's skipped at least 1 more time.
There's a good chance he doesn't even miss a beat anyway.
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DeGrom
Harvey
Niese
Colon (game 4)
But I could see Matz displacing Niese if their performance merits it. Mets could also roll the dice and go with the four young studs. Probably September performances will have a lot to do with who gets the nod.
Love the Pedro.
deGrom, Harvey, Niese, Matz should be the playoff rotation. Thor out of the pen.
Just look at the contract that mediocre Pablo got (granted with post season success) as evidence that there simply are not a ton of good offensive 3rd or 2nd base players out there. On a team who needs a 3b Murphy would be a logical fit for say 4/48.
I am still irked with the Billy Wagner situation so this would finally be their chance to recoup value off an asset, something they have seemingly been unable to do under previous regimes.
I'd go with DeGrom/Harvey/Niese and let Matz and Thor fight it out for the last spot with the loser going to the pen. If Niese has a bad September, I'd just roll with the 4 kids.
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Tuesday or Monday?
Lennon says Monday, MMO said Tuesday but that's now been edited out so I'm assuming it's monday
Cespedes 1-2
Sanchez 0-2
de Aza 0-1, K
Dirocie 1-1, 2b (started 0-20, he's 2 for his last 2 with a double and a triple)
Dimino 0-2, K
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I just want the Mets to make the most of this year and this opportunity. It's hard to take mentions of a potential "dynasty" seriously when we've still accomplished nothing to date.
Cecchini, Rosario, Carpio, Hernandez (likely not a SS), Ramos etc
Five years ago, Stephen Strasburg was a once-a-generation SP who threw 97 with wicked offspeed stuff.
Mets now have three of those guys.
winning just one world series won't be easy. teams like the dodgers/cubs/pirates/cardinals are all loaded and aren't going anywhere, and that's just the nl.
I just want the Mets to make the most of this year and this opportunity. It's hard to take mentions of a potential "dynasty" seriously when we've still accomplished nothing to date.
Stop being a wet blanket.
This stretch of Mets baseball has been the most enjoyable product we've seen in nearly a decade and the potential is there for something even bigger.
Sometimes you almost forget to take in the moment when something special is happening with a team you root for because you're so fixated on the next stop or what's further down the road.
The endless posts about Cespedes are a prime example. Instead of enjoying the guy right now while he's providing us the best, and really only legit 5 tool player we've had since prime Beltran, everyone is preoccupied with his contract and whether or not we can get him to stay.
We're in a pennant race!
This stretch of Mets baseball has been the most enjoyable product we've seen in nearly a decade and the potential is there for something even bigger.
Sometimes you almost forget to take in the moment when something special is happening with a team you root for because you're so fixated on the next stop or what's further down the road.
The endless posts about Cespedes are a prime example. Instead of enjoying the guy right now while he's providing us the best, and really only legit 5 tool player we've had since prime Beltran, everyone is preoccupied with his contract and whether or not we can get him to stay.
We're in a pennant race!
Nice post arc. Agreed.
Mike Piazza and Paul Lo Duca caught a combined 1,314 games for the Dodgers but only tweet about the Mets.
3ds_mets80Team: Double-A Binghamton (Eastern)
Age: 24
Why Hes Here: 1-0, 0.00, 6 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 6 SO, 0 BB
The Scoop: The blue-chip lefthander, rehabbing from a strained lat muscle, breezed through his most recent start. After one more rehab start, hell be back at Citi Field in time for the pennant run, unleashing his mid-90s heat and a plus changeup as well as a curveball thats developing more shape.
Shockingly the Mets medical staff is wrong. ;-)
They must be partners with the Giants docs
LOL.. boy, who saw that coming?
2) I'm jealous because the Mets get to invade Philly, as do the Knicks (two NY teams I don't like), but in Football and Hockey, the Giants/Rangers have never been able to invade Philly anything like that...I wish the Iggles and Flyers would tank for a few seasons like the Phillies/Sixers do. Every sport where Philly is a rival they never hit rock bottom and I have to deal with a hostile Philly fanbase,