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What will it take for you to be a believer of this team?

dep026 : 8/27/2015 6:37 pm
With all the doom and gloom that is going on here with injuries, talent pool, struggling offense in the preseason, JPP, struggling DL, etc...

What would make you stand back and say, hey we arent that bad?

- Competing against Dallas? Beating them?
- starting off 4-2?
- Beating Philly?
- DLine getting pressure early?
- Offense putting up points early?

I think a big thing is the first game. I am not saying they necessarily have to beat Dallas, but if they offense puts up some points, and the defense can at least get to Romo and sack him - I think it would be a huge stepping stone for them. There are going to be times when the defense looks awful. There will be times when the OLine wont get any push to run the ball or give up some sacks. We all know Eli is going to have some WTF throws.

We have pieces. We have elite QB/WR tandem. I think we have some young guys that have the potential to be very good. SO what is your opinion?
I don't disbelieve  
mattlawson : 8/27/2015 6:38 pm : link
I actually think we're a league sleeper to make a nice run
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 8/27/2015 6:41 pm : link
need to see considerable improvements in the defense and the offensive line.
An OLine that protect Eli and the ball can be run  
JohnB : 8/27/2015 6:42 pm : link
That has been missing for a long time. Give me that and the Giants have a chance at anything.
Believer in what sense?  
BrettNYG10 : 8/27/2015 6:44 pm : link
I think they can compete for a playoff spot. I've said 8-10 wins for some time now.

I still think they're a bit away from returning to championship contention, though. A good offensive line and average defense would make me think differently.
3-1 after the Buffalo  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/27/2015 6:48 pm : link
game.
What will it take?  
Doomster : 8/27/2015 6:50 pm : link
JPP showing up before the first game, with two index fingers....
Give me  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/27/2015 6:54 pm : link
great improvement in OL
great improvement in DL
Beat Dallas and Philadelphia
Start no worse than 4-2

... and I will believe they can make a good run at the playoffs. Otherwise, I think 6-10.
LT  
Reb8thVA : 8/27/2015 6:57 pm : link
In his prime playing on defense
Always a believer.  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/27/2015 7:01 pm : link
Too many things can occur during a season.

Good starts don't necessarily mean anything  
Bill in UT : 8/27/2015 7:05 pm : link
with a Coughlin team. I'd need to see them finish with 10 wins and a strong December.
RE: Good starts don't necessarily mean anything  
dep026 : 8/27/2015 7:18 pm : link
In comment 12438987 Bill in UT said:
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with a Coughlin team. I'd need to see them finish with 10 wins and a strong December.


You're technically tight, but after what has transpired the last two years. a 4-1. or 5-2 start would be a treat to see.
RE: I don't disbelieve  
shabu : 8/27/2015 7:22 pm : link
In comment 12438952 mattlawson said:
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I actually think we're a league sleeper to make a nice run


The offense will be good. That is about it.
Starting off 10-0  
fivehead : 8/27/2015 7:23 pm : link
.
Twenty bucks oughtta do it.  
Shepherdsam : 8/27/2015 7:26 pm : link
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My faith stays afloat thanks to Coach and #10  
GMenLTS : 8/27/2015 7:28 pm : link
As long as we have the two of them, we have a fightin' chance
So Far  
Arkbach : 8/27/2015 7:32 pm : link
this year reminds me of the last years of Reeves and Fassell, but I keep telling myself our guys put their pants on one leg at a time just like the Dallas and Phil players. Beat Dallas in week one and I'll feel better, but I don't expect that to happen.
I'd be happy if we are 2-2 after four games.  
RDJR : 8/27/2015 7:33 pm : link
I'm not sure I will be a believer, but I'd be happy with that.
Honestly  
Joey in VA : 8/27/2015 7:35 pm : link
A four train collision carrying the Eagles, Cowboys, Seahawks and Packers in which no one dies but all players go on IR. Then we have a shot at the division and the playoffs.
I'm always a believer  
Emil : 8/27/2015 7:39 pm : link
But, what I'd like to see

A 4-2 start
Scoring 24+ points per game
Giving up less than 24 points per game
Improved blocking
More consistent pass rush

Even if they go 8-8, those are improvements I'd like to see and be happy with.
RE: Honestly  
dep026 : 8/27/2015 7:40 pm : link
In comment 12439025 Joey in VA said:
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A four train collision carrying the Eagles, Cowboys, Seahawks and Packers in which no one dies but all players go on IR. Then we have a shot at the division and the playoffs.


Just a shot to beat the Redskins? Man, I didnt think we were that bad.
If only Bennett Jackson didn't get injured...  
Vin R : 8/27/2015 7:41 pm : link
.
Picking up more than 1 yard on the ground  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 8/27/2015 7:42 pm : link
on first down. So tired of having 2nd and 10, 2nd and 9's.
Two Super Bowl championships in four years.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/27/2015 7:44 pm : link
Nothing less.
RE: Picking up more than 1 yard on the ground  
Bill in UT : 8/27/2015 7:46 pm : link
In comment 12439034 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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on first down. So tired of having 2nd and 10, 2nd and 9's.


Or picking up more than one yard on the ground on 3rd and 2 :)
RE: RE: Honestly  
Joey in VA : 8/27/2015 7:48 pm : link
In comment 12439030 dep026 said:
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In comment 12439025 Joey in VA said:


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A four train collision carrying the Eagles, Cowboys, Seahawks and Packers in which no one dies but all players go on IR. Then we have a shot at the division and the playoffs.



Just a shot to beat the Redskins? Man, I didnt think we were that bad.
Well we're going 0-4 vs the Eagles and Boys, may as well wipe them out so we can maybe win 10 and get a playoff spot.
Dane,  
Shepherdsam : 8/27/2015 7:50 pm : link
that would be awesome.

Even better than 2 in 5 years.
Wins resulting from good defensive play  
Giants2012 : 8/27/2015 9:28 pm : link
rather than winning shoot outs while the defense flounders.
Being able  
old man : 8/27/2015 9:28 pm : link
to field the same 53 guys for the full 7 days before game 1.
.....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 8/27/2015 9:29 pm : link
If the Gmen don't go 3 and out on their first drive, and don't give up a 3rd and long on their first defensive drive. That'd be nice
What will it take  
joe48 : 8/27/2015 9:42 pm : link
Some strong drugs
Reasonably good health  
Big Blue '56 : 8/27/2015 9:56 pm : link
.
They'll have to be able to field a team  
David B. : 8/27/2015 10:47 pm : link
on both sides of the ball, with out crippling injuries.
RE: What will it take?  
mattlawson : 8/27/2015 10:48 pm : link
In comment 12438970 Doomster said:
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JPP showing up before the first game, with two index fingers....



Since when did one player make the team?
Offense moving the ball across midfield consistently:  
CT Charlie : 8/27/2015 10:56 pm : link
if not winning the battle for field position, at least not losing it.

Defense preventing the 10-15 yard pass plays over the middle consistently: we can't let teams move the chains at will.

If we're 5-5 at the bye, I'll feel really good.

Bringing home the coveted snoopy trophy Saturday night  
micky : 8/27/2015 11:40 pm : link
Then we're talking!
As a Giants fan seeing what we saw in 2007 alone  
ChaChing : 8/27/2015 11:49 pm : link
how can you not at least want to see what happens? How can you just assume we're terrible? Funny thing to me is how infallible our SB teams were...at 10-6 and 9-7 going 0-4 to the horrid Skins

How can you not be hopeful with JUST Eli, ODJ, Spags, TC?
pardon the frustration here...  
Tony in Tampa : 8/28/2015 8:20 am : link
But I jumped off the hope bandwagon some months back when I saw the talent (or lack there of) that was amassed in the off season. I'm just hoping this team can avoid a 4-5 win season where we spend the last half of the year again positioning for a top 5 draft pick and guessing who our new coach will be.

What will add to the crap we have swallow is that both Dallas and Philly look good. I will take some satisfaction if we can split the games with one or dare I say both of them. God I hope I'm wrong and this team can surprise like they did in '07 and '11.
A running game and an average defense.  
Victor in CT : 8/28/2015 8:40 am : link
I think the running game is possible. Student Body Left behind Flowers and Pugh.

The defense is a disaster in the making.
Three things:  
George : 8/28/2015 11:23 am : link
A good right tackle.
A good free safety.
A good pass rush.

And that's just for the 2015 season. We need to have excellent drafts in 2016, 2017, and 2018 too - by which I mean finding four or even five quality starters in each batch.

Green Bay currently has the best approach to continuity out there: draft wisely, retain your good players, replace them with home grown talent, and don't waste your money on high priced free agents past their prime. We're three years away from being able to do that.


Always more of a hoper than a believer  
exiled : 8/28/2015 2:41 pm : link
But even if it's a bad season, there's a lot to make it worth watching. The passing game could be a lot of fun to watch this year. Looking forward seeing progress!
RE: Honestly  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/28/2015 2:45 pm : link
In comment 12439025 Joey in VA said:
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A four train collision carrying the Eagles, Cowboys, Seahawks and Packers in which no one dies but all players go on IR. Then we have a shot at the division and the playoffs.


Come on Joey - everyone knows we do worse against the subs than we against the first team
If after 8 games  
LG in NYC : 8/28/2015 3:16 pm : link
We are 6-2 or 5-3 and have looked good doing it.

And even then we have crapped the bed in the 2nd half of the season in the past.
Go 4-2 in the division and I am a  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 3:55 pm : link
believer.
I'm not going to point at W-L's  
David in LA : 8/28/2015 11:41 pm : link
Spags' defense looked like a mess the first two games, and we ended up stamping the history books. I hope to see steady progression on the defense. If OO and Moore gives us steady production, getting JPP back in the stretch run would be a huge lift (provided he's not too compromised to play). Another key is how Landon Collins progresses. We desperately need to solidify that spot with leadership, and sound decision making. Collins has to be that guy IMO.

I have a good feeling about this line, but am very skeptical Schwartz can stay healthy. We have been a shitty running team for a few yard now. Flowers and Schwartz are going to be key guys in being able to establish dominance up front again. The offense is going to be really good if the line can hold its end of the bargain.
RE: I'm not going to point at W-L's  
Jimmy Googs : 8/29/2015 7:56 am : link
In comment 12440901 David in LA said:
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I have a good feeling about this line, but am very skeptical Schwartz can stay healthy.


Unfortunately you can replace "Schwartz" in that sentence with just about everybody on this team other than Eli.
in order for me to have any  
Jersey55 : 8/29/2015 4:43 pm : link
confidence in the team this season I need to see some energy when they are on the field instead of the slow motion attitude
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