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I have a bad feeling about this season

joe48 : 8/27/2015 8:58 pm
I have been a Giant fan for over 55 years. I have been a supporter of the current regime but I have to admit I think it might be time to move on from GM and HC. They probably will keep Reese but I blame him for the lack of depth on this team. We are going into this season with a lot of the same issues we have had for the past three losing seasons. The Behr injury put me over the top with the injury issues we continue to have. If you continue to have the same bad results (injuries) changes have to be made. TC loyalty issue is hurting this team.
Poor drafts have hurt us. Reese has done a poor job with FA picks because of desperation moves to fill gaping holes. Beason and Schwartz were damaged goods. Spags cannot work miracles with this group. Weak pass rushers, below average linebackers and a thin inexperienced back end. The talent level is not that of a playoff caliber team.
We are wasting Eli's prime years. We will not compete with the Eagles and the Cowboys. I see us as best case 8-8 and probably 6-10 with our injury history.

Your comments.....
You might be right about the record, but don't take a chance.  
TheManUpstairs : 8/27/2015 9:09 pm : link
Bash yourself on the motherbleeping head with a hammer.
So don't watch the games.  
an_idol_mind : 8/27/2015 9:16 pm : link
The way some folks around here post, it seems that football makes them so miserable and the Giants are so doomed to failure that they might as well ignore sports until 2016.
No NFL Ticket money  
David B. : 8/27/2015 9:18 pm : link
this year.
All I can say...  
Milton : 8/27/2015 9:22 pm : link
How did it feel going into 2007 not knowing what we had in David Diehl starting for the first time at left tackle (there were people thinking Guy Whimper would win the job in training camp)?

And how did it feel going into 2011 when our best CB, Terrell Thomas, tore his ACL a week before the season began?
so you are throwing i the towel because a 5th round draft pick -  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/27/2015 9:31 pm : link
who's never played a game for the Giants is injured?

nice
I always watch the games  
joe48 : 8/27/2015 9:40 pm : link
I have do not have high expectations. This is shaping up to be the or worse than the last 3 years. Being a realist. FO office should be gone if no playoffs. Forget about the injuries. This show is getting and so am I.
Just taking the safety position...  
KeoweeFan : 8/27/2015 9:43 pm : link
Reese didn't cause Chad Jones, considered a "steal" after preseason, to get into an auto accident.
Reese took a chance on Will Hill based on his talent (that others are now applauding the Ravens for) but he didn't force Will to hang out with his "homies".
Berhe was injury clean in college - Reese didn't cause his calf injury.
Cooper Taylor was freshman All-American at GT but had to take a time out (and switch schools) because of a heart problem from which he is now fully recovered. That lowered his draft potential. Jerry pounced. He still might be a " hidden gem" but there was no indicator at the time that he had a "toe" problem.
Mycheal is someone I thought was under rated and would be a great complement in future years to Collins, but "stuff" happens.
Hanging on to a vet too long for too many $ is a GM killer (yeah, Jerry has been known to do that); it was Rolle's time to go. (of course in hindsight, we could use 'Trel now.)
My point being if Jerry could see the future he may have made different decisions; but....
If you want to talk about earlier decisions re linebackers and OL I'm with you but he seems to have done a LOT better in recent years in both of those categories.
In fact I like the way the 2's have played. (O'Diggie, Bromley, Hart et al)
By Mycheal, I presume you mean Mykkele Thompson  
GeofromNJ : 8/27/2015 10:29 pm : link
If so, I agree with you. The kid was underrated and I think would have eventually become the nickel back. Time will tell whether the Achilles surgery will be totally successful. It prior years, it never was.
Congrats on 55  
mattlawson : 8/27/2015 10:37 pm : link
Fuck off with your negativity
...  
Kulish29 : 8/27/2015 10:38 pm : link
Bruh.  
charlito : 8/27/2015 10:45 pm : link
The Giants win the Superbowl every 4 years since Eli was first drafted.It will be a great year. Don't be such a Debbie downer.
Let it play out  
chiro56 : 8/27/2015 11:11 pm : link
There is always a team that over achieves . This could be the Giants year .
My fingers  
Phatballllz : 8/27/2015 11:17 pm : link
Hurt
I was really worried too,  
TC : 8/27/2015 11:59 pm : link
but reading this made me feel much better. Can't we get all the press pundits to predict that the Giants will finish last in the division?

Come on! You can do it!

Two and fourteen? Can't I get a two and fourteen? Winless! Yeah, that's what I want to hear!

A little bit more, and they may actually have a shot!
there's a lot of posters here who cannot handle reality when it is  
chris r : 8/28/2015 2:48 am : link
likely to be negative. The Giants have sucked the past two years. That's a fact. They have lost there best defender. That's a fact. There's more reason to be negative than positive entering this seasons.

And yet people would rather see blindly and frankly dumb optimistic posts with random capitalization (hi gidie) than sober, reasoned posts from long time fans such as joe.
as with the past two years  
bbfanva : 8/28/2015 4:40 am : link
they really haven't made very many serious moves to improve in the areas that they needed improvement. 6-10 with most of the wins being meaningless draft droppers is a very real possibility.
I had a bad feeling going into '11  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 8/28/2015 6:25 am : link
So, who knows?

The parity in this league is crazy. There's not much difference between 10-6 and 6-10. If we catch a few breaks, I don't see why we can't get into the playoffs. And once there, I'll take my chances with #10.

The defense needs to be adequate. If it's a disaster, then all bets are off. Time will tell.
I have a GREAT feeling about this year!  
aquidneck : 8/28/2015 7:02 am : link
It's going be a very good year or it's going to be a prequel to massive changes.

In the event the former happens, everyone goes home happy.

In the event the later happens we get to celebrate Coyghlin's tenure and achievements (maybe Reece's too) while looking forward to setting a new direction (much needed if we fail to win four years in a row).

Everybody here should be all in in the former.
yeah  
aquidneck : 8/28/2015 7:03 am : link
Coughlin and Reese.
Hey joe48!  
Tark10 : 8/28/2015 7:35 am : link
I've been a fan for 44 years. It's difficult to be overly optimistic when we read the daily fatality report. If this group manages to achieve at least 7 wins....I would be shocked. I agree with the above poster. Either they make the playoffs, or Mr. Mara burns the house down. Ignore the f-bombs posted here. They probably talk to their wives and kids the same way.
Was is also puzzling about this team's  
Beer Man : 8/28/2015 7:37 am : link
i juries year after year, but they always seem to hit a few positions hard. This year it has been OL and S, last year it was OL and WR, a couple years ago it was RB, etc....
been a fan  
aquidneck : 8/28/2015 7:40 am : link
since the '63 title game loss to the Bears. I was 8.
I'm hoping for the best  
blueblood'11 : 8/28/2015 8:27 am : link
But with all the injuries up to this point it really casts a negative pall on the upcoming season. Then again it is being said the offensive line may not be that bad. And with all the offensive weapons at Eli's disposal if that's the case this could be a pretty formidable offense.

As for the defense the kid they drafted out of UCLA has everyone talking. Ayers was a very good at pressuring the QB last year until he got injured and If Moore continues to develop who knows. Like a previous poster said maybe the Giants are one of those teams that shocks the shit out of everyone. I don't think they are as devoid of talent as a lot of so called experts say the are.

Obviously it would appear their biggest weakness is in the secondary. I think they front seven may surprise some people. If they can keep up their end of the bargain it could help the secondary. I mean they have depth at corner. It's basically the safety positions that is the concern. So as someone already said let it play out and let's see what happens.
what a post....  
BCD : 8/28/2015 8:34 am : link
prick!
Can somebody..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 8:35 am : link
list these other teams that have great depth while Reese keeps staying asleep at the wheel leaving us with the thinnest team EVER???
RE: there's a lot of posters here who cannot handle reality when it is  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 9:34 am : link
In comment 12439370 chris r said:
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likely to be negative. The Giants have sucked the past two years. That's a fact. They have lost there best defender. That's a fact. There's more reason to be negative than positive entering this seasons.

And yet people would rather see blindly and frankly dumb optimistic posts with random capitalization (hi gidie) than sober, reasoned posts from long time fans such as joe.


Just because he's a long time fan doesn't make him right. I'm a long time fan and yet people get on me occasionally for being optimistic. Why is being negative considered a badge of honor?

You can accept the Giants have issues without wallowing in despair.

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arcarsenal : 8/28/2015 9:40 am : link
Unless the team is just a complete disaster on paper, I always go into new seasons optimistic.

Being a sports fan is entertainment, it's not a career. If you can't even enjoy the idea of a football season before it starts, what's the point?

If things play out badly and we suck again, I'll be frustrated and disappointed but what's the sense of getting all bent out of shape in August?

I don't think this team is going to be nearly as bad as some of you other guys think. Wouldn't shock me at all if they won 9 games. Will it be enough? Who knows.
Two games into the pre season?  
djstat : 8/28/2015 10:02 am : link
The injuries at safety are concerning but if Collins plays we should be ok. Don't be shocked if a veteran FS becomes available and can contribute.

The OL looks improved. The O will be strong. The D is an unknown. The fact that Jason Dumbass-Paul blew up his hand, allows Spags the ability to blitz more, and be creative with fronts as opposed to what we came to love in '07-08 of here are our four best rushers, stop them.

Just enjoy football.
@OP  
shabu : 8/28/2015 10:03 am : link
Your post is not unrealistic however to give you something to be excited for, I am excited to see the offense play this year.

Assuming all 3 get on the field together, Cruz, Randall, ODB is going to be fun to watch.

Could we surprise ppl ? Sure but we just don't have the horses to take this thing down yet.

And I am also pissed that Eli's prime was wasted due to some horrible drafting / signings and Reese really destroyed this roster.
Reese..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 10:05 am : link
destroyed the roster?

Holy fuck some of you are dense.
Why on earth would you have that?  
jeff57 : 8/28/2015 10:06 am : link
I can't imagine.
I'm also thinking 6-10 but am hoping that we can pick up some  
yatqb : 8/28/2015 10:15 am : link
late DB cuts who help shore up the defense.

I support the OP's position, and am always amazed at the venom people face who express negative opinions about the team.
yat  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/28/2015 10:18 am : link
I think the venom is for a poorly thought out negatory post
RE: Can somebody..  
OC2.0 : 8/28/2015 10:18 am : link
In comment 12439486 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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list these other teams that have great depth while Reese keeps staying asleep at the wheel leaving us with the thinnest team EVER???


Yeah, I'd like to see the team that has starter type backups at every position myself.
RE: yat  
yatqb : 8/28/2015 10:20 am : link
In comment 12439740 gidiefor said:
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I think the venom is for a poorly thought out negatory post


gi, it happens too often and with regularity to blame it on the OP.
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 10:34 am : link
when the majority of threads are started with horrible analysis and conclusions, what do you want a Kumbaya Circle?
Brother Joe  
oldutican : 8/28/2015 10:39 am : link
We were both in 1948 and feel the same way about Giants . Guess that makes us wise veteran fans or just grumpy old men.
Each team in our division has issues.  
Randy in CT : 8/28/2015 10:41 am : link
Some are worse than ours. Maybe stop fretting so fucking much and wait for the games to be played?
Fat Man, that's exactly what I was seeking. An old camp moment.  
yatqb : 8/28/2015 10:43 am : link
Those are dear to me. Maybe next we can do "Rise and Shine and Bring God Your Glory-Glory". That would be real nice.
Even with this O Line,  
Rick5 : 8/28/2015 11:12 am : link
I am definitely expecting to see a top ten offense. If Spags can pull together an average to slightly below average D with this group, it could be an interesting season.
RE: Reese..  
shabu : 8/28/2015 11:16 am : link
In comment 12439708 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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destroyed the roster?

Holy fuck some of you are dense.


Tell me how he hasn't by Unit.

Compared to 07.

OL - worse
RBs - worse
DL - Worse
LB - Worse
WR - Better
TEs - Worse
CBs - Better
S - LOL
It always amazes me,  
Doomster : 8/28/2015 12:05 pm : link
how guys like Chad Jones and Mykkele Thompson, were going to be solid starters....."can't miss" players, without ever playing in a game....
Giants have negatives but also some big positives  
Vanzetti : 8/28/2015 1:24 pm : link
1. Franchise QB
2. Top five WR corps
3. Potential stud LT
4. Top corner tandem
5. A pass-catching threat out of the backfield

I think most fans are concerned because running the ball and stopping the run don't appear to be strengths of this team. But it is a passing league and both the offense and defense will be better in the passing game.

I don't see how you can blame TC  
nicky43 : 8/28/2015 1:27 pm : link
for the lack of talent and injuries (by your own assessment) that Reese has put on the team and you really can't blame Reese for the injuries.

I think the loyalty to TC is the only reason this team has been able to win more than three games for the last three years!
You always say that Frost. You always say  
NYerInMA : 8/28/2015 1:35 pm : link
"I got a bad feeling about this drop."
Let's see how the defense is playing by week 4  
RollBlue : 8/28/2015 3:59 pm : link
if it's better that last year, which I fully expect, we sure as hell can blame TC for hanging on to PF a year too long. Coaching is huge in football, more so than any other sport. Don't get me wrong, I think TC is a very good head coach - a good portion of his co-ordinators have not been.
RE: RE: Reese..  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12439842 shabu said:
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In comment 12439708 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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destroyed the roster?

Holy fuck some of you are dense.



Tell me how he hasn't by Unit.

Compared to 07.

OL - worse
RBs - worse
DL - Worse
LB - Worse
WR - Better
TEs - Worse
CBs - Better
S - LOL


Pretty fair although I would say RBs are a push.
RE: RE: RE: Reese..  
EricJ : 8/28/2015 4:54 pm : link
In comment 12440405 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 12439842 shabu said:


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In comment 12439708 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Pretty fair although I would say RBs are a push.


RB's are only a push due to the addition of Vereen. The Jacobs/Bradshaw combo are better than Jennings/Williams.
No argument. My thoughts  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 4:59 pm : link
exactly when I calculated "push".

And if Veereen is a true saving grace on 3rd down, then we are actually a bit better.
But..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 5:02 pm : link
the assumption is the roster is poorer because of Reese. Not because of retirements, injuries, etc. But because of reese.

It is a pretty poor link to say that.
I get the negative feelings, so what  
Headhunter : 8/28/2015 5:22 pm : link
what I don't get is when these self fulfilling prophecies come to pass the biggest fucking whiners are the guys that predicted gloom and doom.So my take away is if it plays out the way you"feel" instead bitching and moaning, be happy, you saw it coming, congratulate yourself in January for what you "felt" in August
I don't think the OP is way off base  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:23 pm : link
if that is what you are suggesting. We indeed have a weaker roster.

Yes for numerous reasons, but Reese's decisions are one of them.
But yet..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 5:30 pm : link
in the evaluation of Reese, people talk about Bradshaw and Jacobs being better than what we have now.

Didn't Reese draft Bradshaw?

Didn't Reese add the best WR corps in team history? I mean - the way some describe it, Reese took a roster and crapped on it. I just wonder if we have to rinse shit off the two SB rings he also pooped out.
But yet...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:36 pm : link
look at the positional talent, it has gotten worse in more areas than it has gotten better.

Taking a snapshot today vs. a snapshot...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 5:46 pm : link
before Reese got here is faulty. You have to look at a body of work. Two SB's and having a team that's finished no worse than 6-10 and only under .500 twice is something only a few other teams can claim in the same period.

And people are making sweeping assumptions about the talent positionally.

How do we know the LB's today are poorer than 2007 when one of them is up and coming and the unit hasn't even played together yet. Same with the OL.

It just seems like people go out of their way to blame reese as if there is one reason the team has struggled. And those same people often say we need to ignore the injuries, even as they post what an effect they are having.
Agreed there is no one reason.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 6:00 pm : link
Reese has some coverage, but its not bullet-proof.
RE: But..  
EricJ : 8/28/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12440429 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the assumption is the roster is poorer because of Reese. Not because of retirements, injuries, etc. But because of reese.

It is a pretty poor link to say that.


Injuries aside (assume everyone is healthy), this roster is worse.
Again -  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 11:31 pm : link
taking a snapshot today doesn't mean that reese has run the team in the ground. I know that isn't what people want to hear because they might actually have to put their pitchforks down and fucking think for once.

So many of you want there just to be an easy fall guy or one reason for the issues the past two years. Reese ran a team into the ground while piling up 2 SB's?

I don't know what people think ruining a team means.
Well lets look at the years since the last SB...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/29/2015 7:47 am : link
2011: 9-7 Won Div (b/c nobody else had a winning record) & Won Superbowl

2012: 9-7 Missed Playoffs

2013: 7-9 Missed Playoffs

2014: 6-10 Missed Playoffs

Again, I wouldn't say Reese has ruined the team either but that trend doesn't show we are building up to another Lombardi in 2015.
One question from the dump Reese contingent  
Headhunter : 8/29/2015 7:54 am : link
Who is the savior you are looking to as his replacement?
for the dump Reese  
Headhunter : 8/29/2015 7:55 am : link
.
I was initially..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2015 8:39 am : link
addressing the poster who said "Reese destroyed the roster".

It gets no more direct than that. Not much room for interpretation.
Always looking for a new guy  
Headhunter : 8/29/2015 8:43 am : link
to replace the guys we have. I'd like it if instead of the lazy, knee jerk,fire this guy that you would name who you would want as a replacement that would be engaging instead of the dumb WFAN mentality here
So......Jerry Reese prematuraly ended the careers off  
drkenneth : 8/29/2015 9:02 am : link
Hakeem Nicks
Steve Smith
Kenny Phillips
David Wilson
Chad Jones
JPP
David Baas
Snee
Jake Ballard
Kevin Boss

Those were core players..Yet, the dopes here bitch about lack of depth.

Why are the older fans so fucking dopey?

My Realtor (who's around 70) tried to tell me that we shouldn't resign Eli because Nassib looks like the franchise QB.

I felt bad for him.
I'd actually guess..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2015 9:04 am : link
that the majority of people calling for Reese's head are young guys. Just like 99% of the guys asking for Will Hill to be resigned or never cut are young.
Fatman...No doubt.  
drkenneth : 8/29/2015 9:06 am : link
Both the young and the old suck.
RE: Always looking for a new guy  
aquidneck : 8/29/2015 9:27 am : link
In comment 12440978 Headhunter said:
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to replace the guys we have. I'd like it if instead of the lazy, knee jerk,fire this guy that you would name who you would want as a replacement that would be engaging instead of the dumb WFAN mentality here


Honestly HH, I'm a fan. It's not my job to know who might be qualified let alone to select from among qualified candidates.

I know I'm not the guy you were talking to, and I'm not advocating for change (I'm actually in the pro-Reese camp).

We've got a season to play right in front of us (here I use fan privledge and include myself as part of the team). The focus should be on the present. "All in" as they say. Time for the team to bond and for the coaches and players, etc. to have each other's backs.

But if the team continues to be unsuccessfull year-in and year-out, it's more than reasonable for fans to expect and demand changes.

Giants' record on a very bad 3-year trend. No more coodinators to fire now. We need a narrative that includes winning. No one in the organization should be comfortable if the downward trend extends to 4th year.
Reese takes too much blame for what I believe are consensus decisions  
Milton : 8/29/2015 9:42 am : link
It's Reese's name on it, but my belief is that all personnel decisions are made by the trio of Mara, Coughlin, and Reese (with Chris Mara potentially in the mix as well).
As for my opinion on the three headed monster  
Milton : 8/29/2015 9:50 am : link
I think they are all good at their jobs, but none are great. Which means they are good enough to win a Super Bowl with Eli Manning at QB and the luck factor is on their side, but not good enough to avoid losing seasons (despite having Eli Manning) when luck is not on their side.
So in conclusion (and getting back to the original thread starter)...  
Milton : 8/29/2015 10:00 am : link
With lady luck on their side, there is no reason to believe they can't compete for another Super Bowl title. If it's another year of snake eyes, it could turn ugly.
"A lady wouldn't wander all over the room and blow on some other guy's dice" - ( New Window )
There is an unknown factor with the 2015 team  
JonC : 8/29/2015 10:54 am : link
because they've largely turned over the talent from the recent abysmal seasons, but they're struggling with injuries, and have fallen behind on infusing the defense with enough legit prospects.

Often times, a young team with some key talent and strong leadership will surprise us, and I think this team could fall here if they can get and stay healthy. But, what they really need is the young ascending talent to impose itself on the field on gameday, it's time to realize potential and perform.

Strongly agree Reese has been very hit or miss with UFA additions, largely made out of desperation. Injuries are part of the game, but FFS you have to wonder if there's something in their evaluations process missing here. I believe their recent drafts have begun to improve, but now the defense needs talent pretty badly.

It's going to be a challenge on the UFA front as long as you have a franchise QB eating 1/6 of the salary cap, a #2 WR making $8M per, OB lining up a monster contract, etc. It seems Reese has struggled effectively balancing all these components, and it's reflected in the roster/talent/structure.

If this team can continue to show growth, then it's time for them to push for 9 wins and be in the playoff mix.
I'm bullish  
nyynyg : 8/29/2015 1:15 pm : link
i think the oline is going to continue to gel. It starts there. The skill positions will be there for us on offense. And this team will put wins up with the offense. We should hope for a playoff appearance. A run won't be likely though because I don't share the same confidence in the defense.
RE: But..  
shabu : 8/29/2015 5:51 pm : link
In comment 12440429 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the assumption is the roster is poorer because of Reese. Not because of retirements, injuries, etc. But because of reese.

It is a pretty poor link to say that.


Jerry Reese's primary job is the roster. he acquires players. Its on him and or his staff, but in the end its him.
I think we're going to do better...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/29/2015 6:50 pm : link
we went 6-10 last year, but we played better than our record (if that's possible) imo. Just like the year before I thought we played worse than our 7-9 record. We had another two-three games in the bag that we lost in unbelievable fashion last year, meaning even with the team we had we could have had a winning record, or at the very least an 8-8 record.

Now, why should we be better this year?

Spags>>>>>Fewell, at least in the sense that Fewell in 2014 had lost his defense. Sometimes you need a spark from your DC and Fewell didn't seem able to inspire that much needed spark last year. I expect this will be an upgrade.

Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-Newhouse/Beatty>>>>Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Jerry-Pugh
This will make a big difference, especially as the year goes on.

2015 WR>>>>>2014 WR Second year in offense means everyone will improve, let alone playing Cruz/Beckham/Randle together for a full game/season.

2015 LB>>>>>2014 LB

Amukamara in contract year and DRC healthier makes 2015 CB>>>> 2014 CB

DL improved by growth from Bromley and Moore, adding Ellis and Odiggy, and eventual return of JPP with a chip on his shoulder to prove that he's worth a monster contract.

2015 RB >>>>> 2014 RB - Vereen is a special weapon that will make a big diff. on offense. Williams looks better and Darkwa looks great so far. Should be enough talent here to make this unit strong regardless of injury.

Donnell, Fells, Cunningham will be better than what we had last year at TE.

Safety is a big question mark, but let's face it, we didn't exactly get all-pro play from the position last year, and with Spags running the show I think things will be much better as he's shown that he can get production from the defense with journeymen at S.

Yes - I'm wearing rose-colored glasses, but why not? What's wrong with optimism at this point? I acknowledge that I might be wrong, but there's no point in going into the season depressed or convinced that a SB is out of reach, imo.
RE: I think we're going to do better...  
baadbill : 8/29/2015 9:22 pm : link
In comment 12441502 Dan in the Springs said:
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What's wrong with optimism at this point? ... there's no point in going into the season ... convinced that a SB is out of reach...


whoa ... you're seriously thinking SB? lol
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