I have been a Giant fan for over 55 years. I have been a supporter of the current regime but I have to admit I think it might be time to move on from GM and HC. They probably will keep Reese but I blame him for the lack of depth on this team. We are going into this season with a lot of the same issues we have had for the past three losing seasons. The Behr injury put me over the top with the injury issues we continue to have. If you continue to have the same bad results (injuries) changes have to be made. TC loyalty issue is hurting this team.
Poor drafts have hurt us. Reese has done a poor job with FA picks because of desperation moves to fill gaping holes. Beason and Schwartz were damaged goods. Spags cannot work miracles with this group. Weak pass rushers, below average linebackers and a thin inexperienced back end. The talent level is not that of a playoff caliber team.
We are wasting Eli's prime years. We will not compete with the Eagles and the Cowboys. I see us as best case 8-8 and probably 6-10 with our injury history.
Your comments.....
And how did it feel going into 2011 when our best CB, Terrell Thomas, tore his ACL a week before the season began?
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Reese took a chance on Will Hill based on his talent (that others are now applauding the Ravens for) but he didn't force Will to hang out with his "homies".
Berhe was injury clean in college - Reese didn't cause his calf injury.
Cooper Taylor was freshman All-American at GT but had to take a time out (and switch schools) because of a heart problem from which he is now fully recovered. That lowered his draft potential. Jerry pounced. He still might be a " hidden gem" but there was no indicator at the time that he had a "toe" problem.
Mycheal is someone I thought was under rated and would be a great complement in future years to Collins, but "stuff" happens.
Hanging on to a vet too long for too many $ is a GM killer (yeah, Jerry has been known to do that); it was Rolle's time to go. (of course in hindsight, we could use 'Trel now.)
My point being if Jerry could see the future he may have made different decisions; but....
If you want to talk about earlier decisions re linebackers and OL I'm with you but he seems to have done a LOT better in recent years in both of those categories.
In fact I like the way the 2's have played. (O'Diggie, Bromley, Hart et al)
Come on! You can do it!
Two and fourteen? Can't I get a two and fourteen? Winless! Yeah, that's what I want to hear!
A little bit more, and they may actually have a shot!
And yet people would rather see blindly and frankly dumb optimistic posts with random capitalization (hi gidie) than sober, reasoned posts from long time fans such as joe.
The parity in this league is crazy. There's not much difference between 10-6 and 6-10. If we catch a few breaks, I don't see why we can't get into the playoffs. And once there, I'll take my chances with #10.
The defense needs to be adequate. If it's a disaster, then all bets are off. Time will tell.
In the event the former happens, everyone goes home happy.
In the event the later happens we get to celebrate Coyghlin's tenure and achievements (maybe Reece's too) while looking forward to setting a new direction (much needed if we fail to win four years in a row).
Everybody here should be all in in the former.
As for the defense the kid they drafted out of UCLA has everyone talking. Ayers was a very good at pressuring the QB last year until he got injured and If Moore continues to develop who knows. Like a previous poster said maybe the Giants are one of those teams that shocks the shit out of everyone. I don't think they are as devoid of talent as a lot of so called experts say the are.
Obviously it would appear their biggest weakness is in the secondary. I think they front seven may surprise some people. If they can keep up their end of the bargain it could help the secondary. I mean they have depth at corner. It's basically the safety positions that is the concern. So as someone already said let it play out and let's see what happens.
And yet people would rather see blindly and frankly dumb optimistic posts with random capitalization (hi gidie) than sober, reasoned posts from long time fans such as joe.
Just because he's a long time fan doesn't make him right. I'm a long time fan and yet people get on me occasionally for being optimistic. Why is being negative considered a badge of honor?
You can accept the Giants have issues without wallowing in despair.
Being a sports fan is entertainment, it's not a career. If you can't even enjoy the idea of a football season before it starts, what's the point?
If things play out badly and we suck again, I'll be frustrated and disappointed but what's the sense of getting all bent out of shape in August?
I don't think this team is going to be nearly as bad as some of you other guys think. Wouldn't shock me at all if they won 9 games. Will it be enough? Who knows.
The OL looks improved. The O will be strong. The D is an unknown. The fact that Jason Dumbass-Paul blew up his hand, allows Spags the ability to blitz more, and be creative with fronts as opposed to what we came to love in '07-08 of here are our four best rushers, stop them.
Just enjoy football.
Assuming all 3 get on the field together, Cruz, Randall, ODB is going to be fun to watch.
Could we surprise ppl ? Sure but we just don't have the horses to take this thing down yet.
And I am also pissed that Eli's prime was wasted due to some horrible drafting / signings and Reese really destroyed this roster.
Holy fuck some of you are dense.
I support the OP's position, and am always amazed at the venom people face who express negative opinions about the team.
Yeah, I'd like to see the team that has starter type backups at every position myself.
gi, it happens too often and with regularity to blame it on the OP.
Holy fuck some of you are dense.
Tell me how he hasn't by Unit.
Compared to 07.
OL - worse
RBs - worse
DL - Worse
LB - Worse
WR - Better
TEs - Worse
CBs - Better
S - LOL
2. Top five WR corps
3. Potential stud LT
4. Top corner tandem
5. A pass-catching threat out of the backfield
I think most fans are concerned because running the ball and stopping the run don't appear to be strengths of this team. But it is a passing league and both the offense and defense will be better in the passing game.
I think the loyalty to TC is the only reason this team has been able to win more than three games for the last three years!
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destroyed the roster?
Holy fuck some of you are dense.
Tell me how he hasn't by Unit.
Compared to 07.
OL - worse
RBs - worse
DL - Worse
LB - Worse
WR - Better
TEs - Worse
CBs - Better
S - LOL
Pretty fair although I would say RBs are a push.
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Pretty fair although I would say RBs are a push.
RB's are only a push due to the addition of Vereen. The Jacobs/Bradshaw combo are better than Jennings/Williams.
And if Veereen is a true saving grace on 3rd down, then we are actually a bit better.
It is a pretty poor link to say that.
Yes for numerous reasons, but Reese's decisions are one of them.
Didn't Reese draft Bradshaw?
Didn't Reese add the best WR corps in team history? I mean - the way some describe it, Reese took a roster and crapped on it. I just wonder if we have to rinse shit off the two SB rings he also pooped out.
And people are making sweeping assumptions about the talent positionally.
How do we know the LB's today are poorer than 2007 when one of them is up and coming and the unit hasn't even played together yet. Same with the OL.
It just seems like people go out of their way to blame reese as if there is one reason the team has struggled. And those same people often say we need to ignore the injuries, even as they post what an effect they are having.
It is a pretty poor link to say that.
Injuries aside (assume everyone is healthy), this roster is worse.
So many of you want there just to be an easy fall guy or one reason for the issues the past two years. Reese ran a team into the ground while piling up 2 SB's?
I don't know what people think ruining a team means.
2012: 9-7 Missed Playoffs
2013: 7-9 Missed Playoffs
2014: 6-10 Missed Playoffs
Again, I wouldn't say Reese has ruined the team either but that trend doesn't show we are building up to another Lombardi in 2015.
It gets no more direct than that. Not much room for interpretation.
Steve Smith
Kenny Phillips
David Wilson
Chad Jones
JPP
David Baas
Snee
Jake Ballard
Kevin Boss
Those were core players..Yet, the dopes here bitch about lack of depth.
Why are the older fans so fucking dopey?
My Realtor (who's around 70) tried to tell me that we shouldn't resign Eli because Nassib looks like the franchise QB.
I felt bad for him.
Honestly HH, I'm a fan. It's not my job to know who might be qualified let alone to select from among qualified candidates.
I know I'm not the guy you were talking to, and I'm not advocating for change (I'm actually in the pro-Reese camp).
We've got a season to play right in front of us (here I use fan privledge and include myself as part of the team). The focus should be on the present. "All in" as they say. Time for the team to bond and for the coaches and players, etc. to have each other's backs.
But if the team continues to be unsuccessfull year-in and year-out, it's more than reasonable for fans to expect and demand changes.
Giants' record on a very bad 3-year trend. No more coodinators to fire now. We need a narrative that includes winning. No one in the organization should be comfortable if the downward trend extends to 4th year.
"A lady wouldn't wander all over the room and blow on some other guy's dice" - ( New Window )
Often times, a young team with some key talent and strong leadership will surprise us, and I think this team could fall here if they can get and stay healthy. But, what they really need is the young ascending talent to impose itself on the field on gameday, it's time to realize potential and perform.
Strongly agree Reese has been very hit or miss with UFA additions, largely made out of desperation. Injuries are part of the game, but FFS you have to wonder if there's something in their evaluations process missing here. I believe their recent drafts have begun to improve, but now the defense needs talent pretty badly.
It's going to be a challenge on the UFA front as long as you have a franchise QB eating 1/6 of the salary cap, a #2 WR making $8M per, OB lining up a monster contract, etc. It seems Reese has struggled effectively balancing all these components, and it's reflected in the roster/talent/structure.
If this team can continue to show growth, then it's time for them to push for 9 wins and be in the playoff mix.
It is a pretty poor link to say that.
Jerry Reese's primary job is the roster. he acquires players. Its on him and or his staff, but in the end its him.
Now, why should we be better this year?
Spags>>>>>Fewell, at least in the sense that Fewell in 2014 had lost his defense. Sometimes you need a spark from your DC and Fewell didn't seem able to inspire that much needed spark last year. I expect this will be an upgrade.
Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-Newhouse/Beatty>>>>Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Jerry-Pugh
This will make a big difference, especially as the year goes on.
2015 WR>>>>>2014 WR Second year in offense means everyone will improve, let alone playing Cruz/Beckham/Randle together for a full game/season.
2015 LB>>>>>2014 LB
Amukamara in contract year and DRC healthier makes 2015 CB>>>> 2014 CB
DL improved by growth from Bromley and Moore, adding Ellis and Odiggy, and eventual return of JPP with a chip on his shoulder to prove that he's worth a monster contract.
2015 RB >>>>> 2014 RB - Vereen is a special weapon that will make a big diff. on offense. Williams looks better and Darkwa looks great so far. Should be enough talent here to make this unit strong regardless of injury.
Donnell, Fells, Cunningham will be better than what we had last year at TE.
Safety is a big question mark, but let's face it, we didn't exactly get all-pro play from the position last year, and with Spags running the show I think things will be much better as he's shown that he can get production from the defense with journeymen at S.
Yes - I'm wearing rose-colored glasses, but why not? What's wrong with optimism at this point? I acknowledge that I might be wrong, but there's no point in going into the season depressed or convinced that a SB is out of reach, imo.
What's wrong with optimism at this point? ... there's no point in going into the season ... convinced that a SB is out of reach...
whoa ... you're seriously thinking SB? lol