I have a bad feeling about this season

Bash yourself on the motherbleeping head with a hammer.

The way some folks around here post, it seems that football makes them so miserable and the Giants are so doomed to failure that they might as well ignore sports until 2016.

this year.

How did it feel going into 2007 not knowing what we had in David Diehl starting for the first time at left tackle (there were people thinking Guy Whimper would win the job in training camp)?

And how did it feel going into 2011 when our best CB, Terrell Thomas, tore his ACL a week before the season began?

who's never played a game for the Giants is injured?

nice

I have do not have high expectations. This is shaping up to be the or worse than the last 3 years. Being a realist. FO office should be gone if no playoffs. Forget about the injuries. This show is getting and so am I.

Reese didn't cause Chad Jones, considered a "steal" after preseason, to get into an auto accident.
Reese took a chance on Will Hill based on his talent (that others are now applauding the Ravens for) but he didn't force Will to hang out with his "homies".
Berhe was injury clean in college - Reese didn't cause his calf injury.
Cooper Taylor was freshman All-American at GT but had to take a time out (and switch schools) because of a heart problem from which he is now fully recovered. That lowered his draft potential. Jerry pounced. He still might be a " hidden gem" but there was no indicator at the time that he had a "toe" problem.
Mycheal is someone I thought was under rated and would be a great complement in future years to Collins, but "stuff" happens.
Hanging on to a vet too long for too many $ is a GM killer (yeah, Jerry has been known to do that); it was Rolle's time to go. (of course in hindsight, we could use 'Trel now.)
My point being if Jerry could see the future he may have made different decisions; but....
If you want to talk about earlier decisions re linebackers and OL I'm with you but he seems to have done a LOT better in recent years in both of those categories.
In fact I like the way the 2's have played. (O'Diggie, Bromley, Hart et al)

If so, I agree with you. The kid was underrated and I think would have eventually become the nickel back. Time will tell whether the Achilles surgery will be totally successful. It prior years, it never was.

Fuck off with your negativity

The Giants win the Superbowl every 4 years since Eli was first drafted.It will be a great year. Don't be such a Debbie downer.

There is always a team that over achieves . This could be the Giants year .

Hurt

but reading this made me feel much better. Can't we get all the press pundits to predict that the Giants will finish last in the division?

Come on! You can do it!

Two and fourteen? Can't I get a two and fourteen? Winless! Yeah, that's what I want to hear!

A little bit more, and they may actually have a shot!

likely to be negative. The Giants have sucked the past two years. That's a fact. They have lost there best defender. That's a fact. There's more reason to be negative than positive entering this seasons.

And yet people would rather see blindly and frankly dumb optimistic posts with random capitalization (hi gidie) than sober, reasoned posts from long time fans such as joe.

they really haven't made very many serious moves to improve in the areas that they needed improvement. 6-10 with most of the wins being meaningless draft droppers is a very real possibility.

So, who knows?

The parity in this league is crazy. There's not much difference between 10-6 and 6-10. If we catch a few breaks, I don't see why we can't get into the playoffs. And once there, I'll take my chances with #10.

The defense needs to be adequate. If it's a disaster, then all bets are off. Time will tell.

It's going be a very good year or it's going to be a prequel to massive changes.

In the event the former happens, everyone goes home happy.

In the event the later happens we get to celebrate Coyghlin's tenure and achievements (maybe Reece's too) while looking forward to setting a new direction (much needed if we fail to win four years in a row).

Everybody here should be all in in the former.

Coughlin and Reese.

I've been a fan for 44 years. It's difficult to be overly optimistic when we read the daily fatality report. If this group manages to achieve at least 7 wins....I would be shocked. I agree with the above poster. Either they make the playoffs, or Mr. Mara burns the house down. Ignore the f-bombs posted here. They probably talk to their wives and kids the same way.

i juries year after year, but they always seem to hit a few positions hard. This year it has been OL and S, last year it was OL and WR, a couple years ago it was RB, etc....

since the '63 title game loss to the Bears. I was 8.

But with all the injuries up to this point it really casts a negative pall on the upcoming season. Then again it is being said the offensive line may not be that bad. And with all the offensive weapons at Eli's disposal if that's the case this could be a pretty formidable offense.

As for the defense the kid they drafted out of UCLA has everyone talking. Ayers was a very good at pressuring the QB last year until he got injured and If Moore continues to develop who knows. Like a previous poster said maybe the Giants are one of those teams that shocks the shit out of everyone. I don't think they are as devoid of talent as a lot of so called experts say the are.

Obviously it would appear their biggest weakness is in the secondary. I think they front seven may surprise some people. If they can keep up their end of the bargain it could help the secondary. I mean they have depth at corner. It's basically the safety positions that is the concern. So as someone already said let it play out and let's see what happens.

prick!

list these other teams that have great depth while Reese keeps staying asleep at the wheel leaving us with the thinnest team EVER???

In comment 12439370 chris r said:

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likely to be negative. The Giants have sucked the past two years. That's a fact. They have lost there best defender. That's a fact. There's more reason to be negative than positive entering this seasons. And yet people would rather see blindly and frankly dumb optimistic posts with random capitalization (hi gidie) than sober, reasoned posts from long time fans such as joe.

Just because he's a long time fan doesn't make him right. I'm a long time fan and yet people get on me occasionally for being optimistic. Why is being negative considered a badge of honor?

You can accept the Giants have issues without wallowing in despair.

Unless the team is just a complete disaster on paper, I always go into new seasons optimistic.

Being a sports fan is entertainment, it's not a career. If you can't even enjoy the idea of a football season before it starts, what's the point?

If things play out badly and we suck again, I'll be frustrated and disappointed but what's the sense of getting all bent out of shape in August?

I don't think this team is going to be nearly as bad as some of you other guys think. Wouldn't shock me at all if they won 9 games. Will it be enough? Who knows.

The injuries at safety are concerning but if Collins plays we should be ok. Don't be shocked if a veteran FS becomes available and can contribute.

The OL looks improved. The O will be strong. The D is an unknown. The fact that Jason Dumbass-Paul blew up his hand, allows Spags the ability to blitz more, and be creative with fronts as opposed to what we came to love in '07-08 of here are our four best rushers, stop them.

Just enjoy football.

Your post is not unrealistic however to give you something to be excited for, I am excited to see the offense play this year.

Assuming all 3 get on the field together, Cruz, Randall, ODB is going to be fun to watch.

Could we surprise ppl ? Sure but we just don't have the horses to take this thing down yet.

And I am also pissed that Eli's prime was wasted due to some horrible drafting / signings and Reese really destroyed this roster.

destroyed the roster?

Holy fuck some of you are dense.

I can't imagine.

late DB cuts who help shore up the defense.

I support the OP's position, and am always amazed at the venom people face who express negative opinions about the team.

I think the venom is for a poorly thought out negatory post

In comment 12439486 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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list these other teams that have great depth while Reese keeps staying asleep at the wheel leaving us with the thinnest team EVER???

Yeah, I'd like to see the team that has starter type backups at every position myself.

In comment 12439740 gidiefor said:

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I think the venom is for a poorly thought out negatory post

gi, it happens too often and with regularity to blame it on the OP.

when the majority of threads are started with horrible analysis and conclusions, what do you want a Kumbaya Circle?

We were both in 1948 and feel the same way about Giants . Guess that makes us wise veteran fans or just grumpy old men.

Some are worse than ours. Maybe stop fretting so fucking much and wait for the games to be played?

Those are dear to me. Maybe next we can do "Rise and Shine and Bring God Your Glory-Glory". That would be real nice.

I am definitely expecting to see a top ten offense. If Spags can pull together an average to slightly below average D with this group, it could be an interesting season.

In comment 12439708 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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destroyed the roster? Holy fuck some of you are dense.

Tell me how he hasn't by Unit.

Compared to 07.

OL - worse
RBs - worse
DL - Worse
LB - Worse
WR - Better
TEs - Worse
CBs - Better
S - LOL

how guys like Chad Jones and Mykkele Thompson, were going to be solid starters....."can't miss" players, without ever playing in a game....

1. Franchise QB
2. Top five WR corps
3. Potential stud LT
4. Top corner tandem
5. A pass-catching threat out of the backfield

I think most fans are concerned because running the ball and stopping the run don't appear to be strengths of this team. But it is a passing league and both the offense and defense will be better in the passing game.

for the lack of talent and injuries (by your own assessment) that Reese has put on the team and you really can't blame Reese for the injuries.

I think the loyalty to TC is the only reason this team has been able to win more than three games for the last three years!

"I got a bad feeling about this drop."

if it's better that last year, which I fully expect, we sure as hell can blame TC for hanging on to PF a year too long. Coaching is huge in football, more so than any other sport. Don't get me wrong, I think TC is a very good head coach - a good portion of his co-ordinators have not been.

In comment 12439842 shabu said:

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In comment 12439708 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: destroyed the roster? Holy fuck some of you are dense. Tell me how he hasn't by Unit. Compared to 07. OL - worse RBs - worse DL - Worse LB - Worse WR - Better TEs - Worse CBs - Better S - LOL

Pretty fair although I would say RBs are a push.

In comment 12440405 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 12439842 shabu said: Quote: In comment 12439708 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: Pretty fair although I would say RBs are a push.

RB's are only a push due to the addition of Vereen. The Jacobs/Bradshaw combo are better than Jennings/Williams.

exactly when I calculated "push".

And if Veereen is a true saving grace on 3rd down, then we are actually a bit better.

the assumption is the roster is poorer because of Reese. Not because of retirements, injuries, etc. But because of reese.

It is a pretty poor link to say that.