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I have a bad feeling about this season

joe48 : 8/27/2015 8:58 pm
I have been a Giant fan for over 55 years. I have been a supporter of the current regime but I have to admit I think it might be time to move on from GM and HC. They probably will keep Reese but I blame him for the lack of depth on this team. We are going into this season with a lot of the same issues we have had for the past three losing seasons. The Behr injury put me over the top with the injury issues we continue to have. If you continue to have the same bad results (injuries) changes have to be made. TC loyalty issue is hurting this team.
Poor drafts have hurt us. Reese has done a poor job with FA picks because of desperation moves to fill gaping holes. Beason and Schwartz were damaged goods. Spags cannot work miracles with this group. Weak pass rushers, below average linebackers and a thin inexperienced back end. The talent level is not that of a playoff caliber team.
We are wasting Eli's prime years. We will not compete with the Eagles and the Cowboys. I see us as best case 8-8 and probably 6-10 with our injury history.

Your comments.....
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I get the negative feelings, so what  
Headhunter : 8/28/2015 5:22 pm : link
what I don't get is when these self fulfilling prophecies come to pass the biggest fucking whiners are the guys that predicted gloom and doom.So my take away is if it plays out the way you"feel" instead bitching and moaning, be happy, you saw it coming, congratulate yourself in January for what you "felt" in August
I don't think the OP is way off base  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:23 pm : link
if that is what you are suggesting. We indeed have a weaker roster.

Yes for numerous reasons, but Reese's decisions are one of them.
But yet..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 5:30 pm : link
in the evaluation of Reese, people talk about Bradshaw and Jacobs being better than what we have now.

Didn't Reese draft Bradshaw?

Didn't Reese add the best WR corps in team history? I mean - the way some describe it, Reese took a roster and crapped on it. I just wonder if we have to rinse shit off the two SB rings he also pooped out.
But yet...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:36 pm : link
look at the positional talent, it has gotten worse in more areas than it has gotten better.

Taking a snapshot today vs. a snapshot...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 5:46 pm : link
before Reese got here is faulty. You have to look at a body of work. Two SB's and having a team that's finished no worse than 6-10 and only under .500 twice is something only a few other teams can claim in the same period.

And people are making sweeping assumptions about the talent positionally.

How do we know the LB's today are poorer than 2007 when one of them is up and coming and the unit hasn't even played together yet. Same with the OL.

It just seems like people go out of their way to blame reese as if there is one reason the team has struggled. And those same people often say we need to ignore the injuries, even as they post what an effect they are having.
Agreed there is no one reason.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 6:00 pm : link
Reese has some coverage, but its not bullet-proof.
RE: But..  
EricJ : 8/28/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12440429 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the assumption is the roster is poorer because of Reese. Not because of retirements, injuries, etc. But because of reese.

It is a pretty poor link to say that.


Injuries aside (assume everyone is healthy), this roster is worse.
Again -  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 11:31 pm : link
taking a snapshot today doesn't mean that reese has run the team in the ground. I know that isn't what people want to hear because they might actually have to put their pitchforks down and fucking think for once.

So many of you want there just to be an easy fall guy or one reason for the issues the past two years. Reese ran a team into the ground while piling up 2 SB's?

I don't know what people think ruining a team means.
Well lets look at the years since the last SB...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/29/2015 7:47 am : link
2011: 9-7 Won Div (b/c nobody else had a winning record) & Won Superbowl

2012: 9-7 Missed Playoffs

2013: 7-9 Missed Playoffs

2014: 6-10 Missed Playoffs

Again, I wouldn't say Reese has ruined the team either but that trend doesn't show we are building up to another Lombardi in 2015.
One question from the dump Reese contingent  
Headhunter : 8/29/2015 7:54 am : link
Who is the savior you are looking to as his replacement?
for the dump Reese  
Headhunter : 8/29/2015 7:55 am : link
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I was initially..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2015 8:39 am : link
addressing the poster who said "Reese destroyed the roster".

It gets no more direct than that. Not much room for interpretation.
Always looking for a new guy  
Headhunter : 8/29/2015 8:43 am : link
to replace the guys we have. I'd like it if instead of the lazy, knee jerk,fire this guy that you would name who you would want as a replacement that would be engaging instead of the dumb WFAN mentality here
So......Jerry Reese prematuraly ended the careers off  
drkenneth : 8/29/2015 9:02 am : link
Hakeem Nicks
Steve Smith
Kenny Phillips
David Wilson
Chad Jones
JPP
David Baas
Snee
Jake Ballard
Kevin Boss

Those were core players..Yet, the dopes here bitch about lack of depth.

Why are the older fans so fucking dopey?

My Realtor (who's around 70) tried to tell me that we shouldn't resign Eli because Nassib looks like the franchise QB.

I felt bad for him.
I'd actually guess..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2015 9:04 am : link
that the majority of people calling for Reese's head are young guys. Just like 99% of the guys asking for Will Hill to be resigned or never cut are young.
Fatman...No doubt.  
drkenneth : 8/29/2015 9:06 am : link
Both the young and the old suck.
RE: Always looking for a new guy  
aquidneck : 8/29/2015 9:27 am : link
In comment 12440978 Headhunter said:
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to replace the guys we have. I'd like it if instead of the lazy, knee jerk,fire this guy that you would name who you would want as a replacement that would be engaging instead of the dumb WFAN mentality here


Honestly HH, I'm a fan. It's not my job to know who might be qualified let alone to select from among qualified candidates.

I know I'm not the guy you were talking to, and I'm not advocating for change (I'm actually in the pro-Reese camp).

We've got a season to play right in front of us (here I use fan privledge and include myself as part of the team). The focus should be on the present. "All in" as they say. Time for the team to bond and for the coaches and players, etc. to have each other's backs.

But if the team continues to be unsuccessfull year-in and year-out, it's more than reasonable for fans to expect and demand changes.

Giants' record on a very bad 3-year trend. No more coodinators to fire now. We need a narrative that includes winning. No one in the organization should be comfortable if the downward trend extends to 4th year.
Reese takes too much blame for what I believe are consensus decisions  
Milton : 8/29/2015 9:42 am : link
It's Reese's name on it, but my belief is that all personnel decisions are made by the trio of Mara, Coughlin, and Reese (with Chris Mara potentially in the mix as well).
As for my opinion on the three headed monster  
Milton : 8/29/2015 9:50 am : link
I think they are all good at their jobs, but none are great. Which means they are good enough to win a Super Bowl with Eli Manning at QB and the luck factor is on their side, but not good enough to avoid losing seasons (despite having Eli Manning) when luck is not on their side.
So in conclusion (and getting back to the original thread starter)...  
Milton : 8/29/2015 10:00 am : link
With lady luck on their side, there is no reason to believe they can't compete for another Super Bowl title. If it's another year of snake eyes, it could turn ugly.
"A lady wouldn't wander all over the room and blow on some other guy's dice" - ( New Window )
There is an unknown factor with the 2015 team  
JonC : 8/29/2015 10:54 am : link
because they've largely turned over the talent from the recent abysmal seasons, but they're struggling with injuries, and have fallen behind on infusing the defense with enough legit prospects.

Often times, a young team with some key talent and strong leadership will surprise us, and I think this team could fall here if they can get and stay healthy. But, what they really need is the young ascending talent to impose itself on the field on gameday, it's time to realize potential and perform.

Strongly agree Reese has been very hit or miss with UFA additions, largely made out of desperation. Injuries are part of the game, but FFS you have to wonder if there's something in their evaluations process missing here. I believe their recent drafts have begun to improve, but now the defense needs talent pretty badly.

It's going to be a challenge on the UFA front as long as you have a franchise QB eating 1/6 of the salary cap, a #2 WR making $8M per, OB lining up a monster contract, etc. It seems Reese has struggled effectively balancing all these components, and it's reflected in the roster/talent/structure.

If this team can continue to show growth, then it's time for them to push for 9 wins and be in the playoff mix.
I'm bullish  
nyynyg : 8/29/2015 1:15 pm : link
i think the oline is going to continue to gel. It starts there. The skill positions will be there for us on offense. And this team will put wins up with the offense. We should hope for a playoff appearance. A run won't be likely though because I don't share the same confidence in the defense.
RE: But..  
shabu : 8/29/2015 5:51 pm : link
In comment 12440429 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the assumption is the roster is poorer because of Reese. Not because of retirements, injuries, etc. But because of reese.

It is a pretty poor link to say that.


Jerry Reese's primary job is the roster. he acquires players. Its on him and or his staff, but in the end its him.
I think we're going to do better...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/29/2015 6:50 pm : link
we went 6-10 last year, but we played better than our record (if that's possible) imo. Just like the year before I thought we played worse than our 7-9 record. We had another two-three games in the bag that we lost in unbelievable fashion last year, meaning even with the team we had we could have had a winning record, or at the very least an 8-8 record.

Now, why should we be better this year?

Spags>>>>>Fewell, at least in the sense that Fewell in 2014 had lost his defense. Sometimes you need a spark from your DC and Fewell didn't seem able to inspire that much needed spark last year. I expect this will be an upgrade.

Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-Newhouse/Beatty>>>>Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Jerry-Pugh
This will make a big difference, especially as the year goes on.

2015 WR>>>>>2014 WR Second year in offense means everyone will improve, let alone playing Cruz/Beckham/Randle together for a full game/season.

2015 LB>>>>>2014 LB

Amukamara in contract year and DRC healthier makes 2015 CB>>>> 2014 CB

DL improved by growth from Bromley and Moore, adding Ellis and Odiggy, and eventual return of JPP with a chip on his shoulder to prove that he's worth a monster contract.

2015 RB >>>>> 2014 RB - Vereen is a special weapon that will make a big diff. on offense. Williams looks better and Darkwa looks great so far. Should be enough talent here to make this unit strong regardless of injury.

Donnell, Fells, Cunningham will be better than what we had last year at TE.

Safety is a big question mark, but let's face it, we didn't exactly get all-pro play from the position last year, and with Spags running the show I think things will be much better as he's shown that he can get production from the defense with journeymen at S.

Yes - I'm wearing rose-colored glasses, but why not? What's wrong with optimism at this point? I acknowledge that I might be wrong, but there's no point in going into the season depressed or convinced that a SB is out of reach, imo.
RE: I think we're going to do better...  
baadbill : 8/29/2015 9:22 pm : link
In comment 12441502 Dan in the Springs said:
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What's wrong with optimism at this point? ... there's no point in going into the season ... convinced that a SB is out of reach...


whoa ... you're seriously thinking SB? lol
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