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NFT: Question about the cespedes contract

Joey from GlenCove : 8/28/2015 11:29 am
Not a met fan but I'm really enjoying their season.

I think cespedes is going to want 7 years 20-22 mil per. Hopefully the mets can sign him for 5 and allow him to opt out after the 2nd year. That allows cespedes to go and get 5 more years if contracts in baseball increase.

Inregards to this odd clause about the mets only have a 5 day window after the World Series to sign him. Why does it matter? The contract is between the mets and Cespedes. If the mets offer him something after those 5 days and he likes it why won't he be able to take it? Who's going to argue if both parties agree?
If I'm Cespedes i cash in now  
MetsAreBack : 8/28/2015 11:33 am : link
he's having probably a, i dont want to say career year, but certainly closer to his ceiling than median range.

And more importantly - there's no question in my mind there's a huge salary bubble brewing in baseball. Game prices are outrageous and TV/cable deals are unsustainable. At some point the ever lower TV ratings have to catch up -- if I'm his agent, he's probably worth $200 million but with the attitude rumors surrounding him (4 teams in < 2 years)... maybe he settles for 6 years, $150 million.
I believe it is that very clause that makes him a free agent  
steve in ky : 8/28/2015 11:34 am : link
so he basically has to follow it.
RE: If I'm Cespedes i cash in now  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/28/2015 11:35 am : link
In comment 12439868 MetsAreBack said:
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he's having probably a, i dont want to say career year, but certainly closer to his ceiling than median range.

And more importantly - there's no question in my mind there's a huge salary bubble brewing in baseball. Game prices are outrageous and TV/cable deals are unsustainable. At some point the ever lower TV ratings have to catch up -- if I'm his agent, he's probably worth $200 million but with the attitude rumors surrounding him (4 teams in < 2 years)... maybe he settles for 6 years, $150 million.


Not sure about the bubble the NBA salary cap is basically doubling because of TV. I think they continue to go up. He's 29 so yea his just about at his prime. More wondering about the odd clause in his deal.
NBA popularity and ratings are increasing...  
MetsAreBack : 8/28/2015 11:37 am : link
MLB trend is in reverse

I also dont think the ESPN cable model is sustainable -- subscribers will eventually revolt
Cespedes  
Mike in NY : 8/28/2015 11:37 am : link
The issue with the contract is because major league rules say that if the Mets do not sign him to a new contract in that window, they are prohibited from signing him until May 2016. If Cespedes wants to the test the market the Mets are screwed
In that case the Mets would allow the agent  
MetsAreBack : 8/28/2015 11:38 am : link
to openly solicit bids from other teams and "test the market" pre- the deadline, no?
RE: Cespedes  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/28/2015 11:40 am : link
In comment 12439874 Mike in NY said:
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The issue with the contract is because major league rules say that if the Mets do not sign him to a new contract in that window, they are prohibited from signing him until May 2016. If Cespedes wants to the test the market the Mets are screwed


If he "wants to be here" 5 years 2nd year opt out. Give him 100MM
I'm guessing that if the Mets want to sign him  
steve in ky : 8/28/2015 11:42 am : link
They make him a fair enough offer to where he has to know there is a risk he may not receive anything better. Since he appears to like playing in NY it would be a risk for him to gamble by turning it down.

If they low ball him they obviously weren't serious about singing him long term to begin with.
He's definitely going to have his pick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/28/2015 11:46 am : link
Some speculation that the Tigers traded him specifically to have a better shot of getting him back without having that contract clause to worry about.
Also I don't buy the whole he's been traded  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/28/2015 11:48 am : link
4 times because he's a diva bad locker room guy etc.

Those 4 times he was the easiest person to trade lol. Good player on bad teams that could net a lot in return.
A's were anything but a bad team last year  
MetsAreBack : 8/28/2015 11:49 am : link

...but from all reports he's been a fine lockerroom presence for us so...

I'm just saying - it may give teams pause from handing out $200 million deals for the guy
I hadn't heard anything to suggest he was a bad guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/28/2015 11:50 am : link
He certainly hasn't demonstrated it here.
If the Mets were ever going to push it and even slightly over pay  
steve in ky : 8/28/2015 11:55 am : link
This should be the time. He has proven to be a key piece in the teams puzzle and why they would gamble that they could fins similar results with another free agent just to save a little money is beyond me. Not every player comes to NY and gels under the spotlight.

The rebuilding is over, the young pitching staff is now in the present and they winning. The team needs to spend accordingly.
I think he was born to play in NY or LA. The guy seems to thrive  
Victor in CT : 8/28/2015 12:06 pm : link
on the big stage. It will be hard, but they should make every effort to lock him up. He is exciting to watch.
Cespedes  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 12:09 pm : link
CAN'T waive the 5 day clause. It's not his choice. There is no getting around it.
He's  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 12:10 pm : link
either bypassing FA altogether and signing with the Mets within 5 days of the WS or he will not be a Met in 2016.
I don't understand the pt of it  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/28/2015 12:23 pm : link
He's limiting his potential suitors after 5 days.

Rock nation out thinking themselves


RE: I don't understand the pt of it  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12439945 Joey from GlenCove said:
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He's limiting his potential suitors after 5 days.

Rock nation out thinking themselves



Joey... it's not his/their choice. He doesn't have enough service time to become a FA, thus the "wording" simply forces his new team to release him which WOULD make him a FA. He has no choice in the matter outside of bypassing FA. He can't choose to get rid of it.
Could you do a sign and trade?  
PA Giant Fan : 8/28/2015 12:37 pm : link
So you work it out with another team to sign him and immediately trade him to the Mets for a small fee/piece?
RE: I don't understand the pt of it  
steve in ky : 8/28/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12439945 Joey from GlenCove said:
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He's limiting his potential suitors after 5 days.

Rock nation out thinking themselves



It is only because of the clause he can become a free agent.
His  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 12:37 pm : link
agent at the time was Adam Katz. He (smartly) bet on his client being worth more than the 4 for 36 (turned down 5-6 years from the Marlins) so he could hit FA earlier. The CBA has rules about when a player is a FA, Cespedes would be arbitration eligible NOT FA eligible. Under normal circumstances without the "window rule" the Mets would own his rights for 2016.
RE: Could you do a sign and trade?  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12439983 PA Giant Fan said:
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So you work it out with another team to sign him and immediately trade him to the Mets for a small fee/piece?


No. They have long talked about sign and trades but FA signing with new teams can't be traded until (I believe June 15)
RE: RE: Could you do a sign and trade?  
Metnut : 8/28/2015 12:53 pm : link
In comment 12439987 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12439983 PA Giant Fan said:


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So you work it out with another team to sign him and immediately trade him to the Mets for a small fee/piece?



No. They have long talked about sign and trades but FA signing with new teams can't be traded until (I believe June 15)


Could they trade him (and some nominal cash amount) to some team 3 days after the world series?

I think we're overthinking a bit IMO. If he is really interested in staying here, and the Mets are willing to pay big, they'll find a way to get it done. It might come right down to the deadline but it'll happen. If he is dead set on FA, there's nothing the Mets can do outside of making a ridiculous offer.
When are teams allowed to trade again after the season?  
Kevin999 : 8/28/2015 12:54 pm : link
Can trades be made before the winter meetings? Could the Mets trade Cespedes during the 5 day window after the WS? Offer cash or a minor prospect to a team that has no desire to sign him.
Cespedes  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 12:59 pm : link
is a FA the minute the WS ends. He can't be traded. He can't sign with another team until day 6.
..  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 1:00 pm : link
Immediately after World Series – Eligible players hit free agency
Three days after World Series – Option decisions due
Five days after World Series – Qualifying offers due
Six days after World Series – Free agents can sign contracts with teams other than their former clubs
The window hurts Cespedes too  
Vanzetti : 8/28/2015 1:02 pm : link
If he doesn't sign in those 5 days, he eliminates the Mets as a competitor for his services. That's not going to help his bargaining position.

If I'm the Mets I offer him 7/15 with an opt out after two years. But I also pay him 15 million each of the first two years. Sort of what the Marlins did with Reyes.

7/150  
Vanzetti : 8/28/2015 1:03 pm : link
.
There  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 1:03 pm : link
are 2 options-

He signs with the Mets within 5 days of the WS or he won't be a Met. These other scenarios are outlandish and not happening.
And  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 1:05 pm : link
yeah given his age I suspect 7-8 seasons at 20-22 per will be the price. Don't see him taking a shorter years deal hoping for a "next" deal. This is likely it for him.

7 years 150 seems fair

Opt out after 3, vested year 8 based on years 6 and 7, and just 7.
RE: The window hurts Cespedes too  
MetsAreBack : 8/28/2015 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12440049 Vanzetti said:
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If he doesn't sign in those 5 days, he eliminates the Mets as a competitor for his services. That's not going to help his bargaining position.

If I'm the Mets I offer him 7/15 with an opt out after two years. But I also pay him 15 million each of the first two years. Sort of what the Marlins did with Reyes.


Lol 15 mil/year ain't getting it done. He is worth more than grander son - a lot more. Negotiations start at $20 mil a year and settle north of that
RE: RE: The window hurts Cespedes too  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 1:07 pm : link
In comment 12440061 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12440049 Vanzetti said:


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If he doesn't sign in those 5 days, he eliminates the Mets as a competitor for his services. That's not going to help his bargaining position.

If I'm the Mets I offer him 7/15 with an opt out after two years. But I also pay him 15 million each of the first two years. Sort of what the Marlins did with Reyes.




Lol 15 mil/year ain't getting it done. He is worth more than grander son - a lot more. Negotiations start at $20 mil a year and settle north of that


I think he meant 7 for 150
Ok that makes more sense  
MetsAreBack : 8/28/2015 1:10 pm : link
Though my guess based on these silly contracts lately is its closer to 6 yrs 150 million than 7 years

Not that I don't think it's outlandish players are getting this much. But that's the market somehow
7 years  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 1:11 pm : link
154 million

Year 1 15
Year 2 15 (Granderson gone)
Years 3-7 23.2 million
Year 8 (team/vested option, buyout for 8 million)
Year 8 is guaranteed based on a) 600 PA's in year 7 or 1100 over 6 and 7.

He can opt out after 3
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/28/2015 1:12 pm : link
think he's going to shoot for as many years as possible. He's likely a turd by year 5 of his next deal, not going to be scoring ANOTHER big contract. Heyward conceivably could roll the dice on a shorter deal with bigger AAV because he's likely still going to be very good in 4-5 years given his age.
lol  
MetsAreBack : 8/28/2015 1:22 pm : link
why did you CAPS another ....

Heyward has turned into some ballplayer this year. Yankees should be all over him this offseason to replace Beltran.
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