Simon had a piece on Cespedes and the hole in his swing vs. lefties. Something to watch going forward especially with Kershaw, Bumgarner, Lester etc as possible opponents.
if we don't sign Cespedes. I hope we make him a fair offer. But I don't want to go crazy for a 30 year old. We all get thirsty over the "names" but guys in their 30s just don't play well for 6 or 7 years in the post-steroid era anymore. It just doesn't happen. It will almost assuredly end up a bad deal for us. Look no further than our own David Wright. Love the guy but his contract is going to be terrible ifs not already.
reasonable. He has us re-signing Murphy at 12 million a year and Cespedes for 25 million per. Plus re-signing Blevins... He also factors in the entire 40 man where Sandy only factors in about 5-10 extra. Anyways...
Here it is, the projected 2016 Mets payroll for w/Cespedes -$137million
is even with Murphy and Cespedes the payroll is only around 135. You subtract Murphy and now your down to 123 million. The payroll right now is around 116. Your basically right there. Its very doable. And this is very conservative offering more than we probably even would.
The 7th should be Robles. Verrett has been good but he's gone from starting to relieving all in a week. I wouldn't have had him in such a crucial spot so early.
I mean this team is talented and confident enough to compete with anyone, bar none. The lineup is deep and dangerous. The rotation is as good as any. The BP is a little weak but has a lights out closer. What an amazing August.
I mean this team is talented and confident enough to compete with anyone, bar none. The lineup is deep and dangerous. The rotation is as good as any. The BP is a little weak but has a lights out closer. What an amazing August.
Yes a little weird, the bottom line is to build a collapse proof lead. And get in the playoffs as a division winner, not as the wild card.
Once in the playoffs this rotation will have a chance to shine and hopefully some timely hitting and the team could do damage.
If this was football I could see the concern maybe, especially with the Giants propensity for losing streaks, I wouldn't worry about it in baseball.
Good innings eater and decent long man, but I'd get nervous if he ever had to pitch in a big game. Seems like a good guy just hard to get by without stuff.
Thanks for this season and I hope you enjoyed the crabs, but his lack of hustle is a huge red flag for me. I just don't like it.
Me too. That was shocking. I speculate that he was pouting about being moved to left from center. It looked like he was making a statement like "Fine, you move me to left. I'll only move when the ball is hit to left.
He just ruined a lot of "feel good." Now I know why he has been moved so much. You're an every day player on a first place team and you do that? Keeps his hands on his fucking knees during a play?
I just hate losing to the lovable, media darling Red Sox.
We should have had this game when the bases were loaded. We were set up beautifully and Clippard and Familia were nasty tonight. That was the game right there.
and after it went off the wall assumed he was way too far away at that point. Obviously it looked really bad but I need to see more than one example of this before before I crucify the guy.
I just hate losing to the lovable, media darling Red Sox.
We should have had this game when the bases were loaded. We were set up beautifully and Clippard and Familia were nasty tonight. That was the game right there.
Yeah, I was thinking about that too. We let them off the hook all game. Would have liked to have this game with the nats loss. Oh well.
and after it went off the wall assumed he was way too far away at that point. Obviously it looked really bad but I need to see more than one example of this before before I crucify the guy.
Z. I know you always look for the positive, but even you have to admit that's stretching. Inexcusable play, or lack of play, by Cespedes.
RE: RE: I think Cespedes thought the ball was gone
and after it went off the wall assumed he was way too far away at that point. Obviously it looked really bad but I need to see more than one example of this before before I crucify the guy.
Z. I know you always look for the positive, but even you have to admit that's stretching. Inexcusable play, or lack of play, by Cespedes.
Im not saying it didn't look bad or it may have not even been bad, but like I said, I need to see more before I make a decision about whether he's lazy or whatever. He's been here a month and thats the first Ive ever seen anything and the ball was gone anyway. The whole thing was moot.
and after it went off the wall assumed he was way too far away at that point. Obviously it looked really bad but I need to see more than one example of this before before I crucify the guy.
and after it went off the wall assumed he was way too far away at that point. Obviously it looked really bad but I need to see more than one example of this before before I crucify the guy.
Lol, really? Cespedes has had a lot headscratchers in his short time here. I've seen plenty of examples to feel concerned.
Doesn't matter anyway. Cespedes screams of a guy that will play for the one team that pays a penny more than the next guy...even if he has to play on the moon. He doesn't give a shit about the mets.
didn't jog after the ball either because he "assumed" it was gone. Nobody's blasting him and it allowed a go ahead HR if that wasn't over the line. Whatever. Im not defending Cespedes on that play. I just hadn't really noticed anything that egregious until now.
didn't jog after the ball either because he "assumed" it was gone. Nobody's blasting him and it allowed a go ahead HR if that wasn't over the line. Whatever. Im not defending Cespedes on that play. I just hadn't really noticed anything that egregious until now.
Lagares jogged after it sort of gingerly, my first thought was that Lagares was injured, not that he thought it was gone, but it was gone and he had the best view of it, so maybe that is his excuse.
He was a country mile away from the ball at that point. He should have been running toward center as soon as the ball was hit, but the way he reacted made it appear to me that he thought it was gone (which it was) Ive seen many OF stand still when HR get blasted over their heads. Not a fan of it, but it happens pretty regularly.
didn't jog after the ball either because he "assumed" it was gone. Nobody's blasting him and it allowed a go ahead HR if that wasn't over the line. Whatever. Im not defending Cespedes on that play. I just hadn't really noticed anything that egregious until now.
Lol, defending Cespedes is EXACTLY what you are doing. And Lagares was staring at the ball when it hit above the line. It wasn't that close. And the next time Cespedes runs out a ground ball will be his first. I've also seen him strike out on a third pitch that got away from the catcher, stare at the ball as it rolls away and slowly walk back to the dugout instead of running to first. This dude does not give a shit. Ton of talent though.
were truly unavailable then who else was left? And if they were available they should have been used first.
It just sucks. We have 4 studs in our pen and Clippard/Familia is easily the best setup man/closer combination of any of the teams in the league going to the playoffs. Verrett had been good but is still green and Torres is fine as your last man in the/mop up guy. We really need to get these guys rested and just fine tweak the pen a little. Dario Alvarez over EOF is beyond obvious. We have some guy like Goedell and Black that may challenge C. Torres for his spot as well. And of course we are still moving a very good starter there eventually. The pen is going to be fine. Tonight it was just burnt to a crisp.
were truly unavailable then who else was left? And if they were available they should have been used first.
It just sucks. We have 4 studs in our pen and Clippard/Familia is easily the best setup man/closer combination of any of the teams in the league going to the playoffs. Verrett had been good but is still green and Torres is fine as your last man in the/mop up guy. We really need to get these guys rested and just fine tweak the pen a little. Dario Alvarez over EOF is beyond obvious. We have some guy like Goedell and Black that may challenge C. Torres for his spot as well. And of course we are still moving a very good starter there eventually. The pen is going to be fine. Tonight it was just burnt to a crisp.
He basically just said those guys weren't available. We really didn't have much of a choice. The roster expansion is coming at a much needed time.
were truly unavailable then who else was left? And if they were available they should have been used first.
It just sucks. We have 4 studs in our pen and Clippard/Familia is easily the best setup man/closer combination of any of the teams in the league going to the playoffs. Verrett had been good but is still green and Torres is fine as your last man in the/mop up guy. We really need to get these guys rested and just fine tweak the pen a little. Dario Alvarez over EOF is beyond obvious. We have some guy like Goedell and Black that may challenge C. Torres for his spot as well. And of course we are still moving a very good starter there eventually. The pen is going to be fine. Tonight it was just burnt to a crisp.
I'm not arguing that the BP wasn't thin, but you can't tell me that nobody was available. If that's the case then it was just poor BP management by TC in an extra inning game. But seriously, it's one game. We need to win tomorrow.
I hated seeing the Red Sox on the schedule when I looked a month ago. I hate interleague play. It's run its course.
really weren't available. Makes more sense now. I then might question pulling Harvey who was begging to go back in the 7th. I get shaving an inning but if you know you are working with that short of a bullpen you have to let him pitch the 7th. You can't cut corners EVERYWHERE.
Yep, and it looks even worse when the go ahead run was scored on an inside the park HR hit to centerfield that maybe could have been limited to a double if the LFer actually moved to assist on the play.
to a degree sticking it to the Nats and their fans.If the Mets won and the Nats won, " what are you going to do?" BUT the Mets lose and the Nats don't capitalize, that hurts. Magic number down to 29. Let's Go Mets!
RE: RE: You lose a game where the other team gives up 12 walks
Yep, and it looks even worse when the go ahead run was scored on an inside the park HR hit to centerfield that maybe could have been limited to a double if the LFer actually moved to assist on the play.
My sons, almost age 11, have now been sucked into the Mets' resurgence enough to now want jerseys. If this was 3 years ago, I'd still have gone with DW for at least one. Thinking about longevity (knowing that's a moving target), who would you go with for 2 kids? I'm thinking de Grom for sure for one. What say you?
My sons, almost age 11, have now been sucked into the Mets' resurgence enough to now want jerseys. If this was 3 years ago, I'd still have gone with DW for at least one. Thinking about longevity (knowing that's a moving target), who would you go with for 2 kids? I'm thinking de Grom for sure for one. What say you?
Conforto or Syndergaard. But honestly, they would probably want Harvey and DeGrom
deGrom is pretty much a must based on the criteria.
I'd normally have said Harvey is a no-brained, but given Boras as his agent and the known fact he grew up a Yankees fan, I have that nagging feeling that if he doesn't win a title with the Mets during his current contract, he's a sure thing to bolt when he hits FA.
He's the 2nd most valuable Met in franchise history after Seaver. Even if his career ended early, he's going to have had played all of it here regardless. And I think he'll be around a bit longer anyway.
If I were getting a Jersey I think I'd go Conforto
or maybe Matz. Harvey, JdG and Wright have to be the top 3 most common by a pretty healthy margin. Conforto and Matz should be slightly more unique. I would not get a Carlos Torres.
Jay Bruce for Wheeler. Bruce was hiring .257 at the time and is now hitting .229. You have to slump big time to drop 30 points off your batting average
this late into the season. Phew!
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You may have read that Wright is sore. He is. It's normal and absolutely nothing to do with his back. He'll almost certainly play tomorrow.
if terry isnt going to trust robles especially with o flaherty struggling to be kind
I think Terry trusts Robles. The dude played three days in a row and two innings on his last day. The pen was just taxed and certain players weren't available last night. Some still aren't as Colon might be coming out of the pen tonight!
Prevost's K rate sucks, 0 homers allowed though... Koch 2.0? lol
Gotta believe he's a SP for the 2016 Cyclones
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?si ... g/2015/ALL
this will be a good test.
Granderson RF
Cespedes LF
Wright 3B
Cuddyer 1B
Flores 2B
dArnaud C
Tejada SS
Harvey RHP
Hanley Ramirez is scratched from Sox lineup; Jackie Bradley Jr in left
Hanley Ramirez is scratched from Sox lineup; Jackie Bradley Jr in left
addition by subtraction for the Red Sox, Hanley has been a disaster, and JBJ is on fire (or was, haven't kept up)
I read about that, that's crazy
was thinking the same thing
Uh. All of them?
He's been getting his teeth kicked in lately.
At this point, I'm glad they signed none of them.
I also wanted to sign Scherzer and Lester.
They need to tell Wright to cool it with the aggressive base running until the World Series.
Here it is, the projected 2016 Mets payroll for w/Cespedes -$137million
Starting Offense - $96.5million
Wright - 20
Cuddy - 12.5
Cespedes - 25
Grandy - 16
Lagares - 2.5
Duda - 8.0
TdA - .5
Murph - 12
Bench - $9.5million
Flores - .5
Plawecki - .5
Herrera - .5
Tejada - $3.0
Conforto - 5.0
Starters - $16.5million
Niese - 9
Harvey - 6?
deGrom - .5
Thor - .5
Matz - .5
Bullpen - $6.0million
Familia - .5
Blevins - 3.0
Torres - .5
Verrett - .5
Edgin - .5
Goeddel - .5
Robles - .5
Rest of potential 40 man - $8.5million
Wheeler - .5
Recker - 1.0
Alvarez - .5
Black - .5
Campbell - .5
Ceciliani - .5
Gilmartin - .5
Monell - .5
Morris - .5
Muno - .5
Tovar - .5
Tnoa - .5
Nimmo - .5
Kirk - .5
40th guy - .5
This season has begun to have that destiny feeling to it.
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should have been thrown out at home. lol
This season has begun to have that destiny feeling to it.
Soon as the Flores trade fell through the Karma Gods have been on our side. ;) God is a Flores fan.
Yeah, i don't know what Flores or Tejada were doing. I'd have to believe that the coaches would tell them to take pitches, right? Maybe not?
now it's time to TCOB
let's go boys..
All part of the plan...
Fat lady isn't singing yet but damn if she's not warming up.
Maybe he should have kept his mouth shut. Now he can bet all he wants.
that 7th inning would have been his. he let this team down. Mejia, Clippard, Familia would have been a trio I'd be comfortable with.
even without being post-season eligible, they could have used Mejia to get there.
And then the Parnell meltdown didn't help.
Between Parnell, Mejia, and even Edgin, the Mets lost some potentially good back of the bullpen arms.
otherwise I think they might have to give Matz some regular season relief appearances if they plan to use him out of the pen in the playoffs.
that 7th inning would have been his. he let this team down. Mejia, Clippard, Familia would have been a trio I'd be comfortable with.
even without being post-season eligible, they could have used Mejia to get there.
And then the Parnell meltdown didn't help.
Between Parnell, Mejia, and even Edgin, the Mets lost some potentially good back of the bullpen arms.
otherwise I think they might have to give Matz some regular season relief appearances if they plan to use him out of the pen in the playoffs.
Exactly. Now it has to be Robles-Clippard-Familia. Robles has earned this 7th inning job.
he needs glasses though
he needs glasses though
Haha. Same thought.
Yes a little weird, the bottom line is to build a collapse proof lead. And get in the playoffs as a division winner, not as the wild card.
Once in the playoffs this rotation will have a chance to shine and hopefully some timely hitting and the team could do damage.
If this was football I could see the concern maybe, especially with the Giants propensity for losing streaks, I wouldn't worry about it in baseball.
and Swihart can move for a catcher, but that was ugly
But it was a HR anyway, so it's all moot.
Me too. That was shocking. I speculate that he was pouting about being moved to left from center. It looked like he was making a statement like "Fine, you move me to left. I'll only move when the ball is hit to left.
He just ruined a lot of "feel good." Now I know why he has been moved so much. You're an every day player on a first place team and you do that? Keeps his hands on his fucking knees during a play?
Fuck him. As much as he has done. Fuck him.
can't lose both Harvey and deGrom starts. that would allow a potential losing streak.
We should have had this game when the bases were loaded. We were set up beautifully and Clippard and Familia were nasty tonight. That was the game right there.
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I just hate losing to the lovable, media darling Red Sox.
We should have had this game when the bases were loaded. We were set up beautifully and Clippard and Familia were nasty tonight. That was the game right there.
Yeah, I was thinking about that too. We let them off the hook all game. Would have liked to have this game with the nats loss. Oh well.
Z. I know you always look for the positive, but even you have to admit that's stretching. Inexcusable play, or lack of play, by Cespedes.
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and after it went off the wall assumed he was way too far away at that point. Obviously it looked really bad but I need to see more than one example of this before before I crucify the guy.
Z. I know you always look for the positive, but even you have to admit that's stretching. Inexcusable play, or lack of play, by Cespedes.
Im not saying it didn't look bad or it may have not even been bad, but like I said, I need to see more before I make a decision about whether he's lazy or whatever. He's been here a month and thats the first Ive ever seen anything and the ball was gone anyway. The whole thing was moot.
You can't be serious.
Lol, really? Cespedes has had a lot headscratchers in his short time here. I've seen plenty of examples to feel concerned.
Doesn't matter anyway. Cespedes screams of a guy that will play for the one team that pays a penny more than the next guy...even if he has to play on the moon. He doesn't give a shit about the mets.
Lagares jogged after it sort of gingerly, my first thought was that Lagares was injured, not that he thought it was gone, but it was gone and he had the best view of it, so maybe that is his excuse.
He was a country mile away from the ball at that point. He should have been running toward center as soon as the ball was hit, but the way he reacted made it appear to me that he thought it was gone (which it was) Ive seen many OF stand still when HR get blasted over their heads. Not a fan of it, but it happens pretty regularly.
Uribe?
Lol, defending Cespedes is EXACTLY what you are doing. And Lagares was staring at the ball when it hit above the line. It wasn't that close. And the next time Cespedes runs out a ground ball will be his first. I've also seen him strike out on a third pitch that got away from the catcher, stare at the ball as it rolls away and slowly walk back to the dugout instead of running to first. This dude does not give a shit. Ton of talent though.
MVP Grandy is up
That's my only complaint. I'm sure the BP was thin, but it was obvious that Torres wasn't fooling anyone. Poor job keeping him out there.
It just sucks. We have 4 studs in our pen and Clippard/Familia is easily the best setup man/closer combination of any of the teams in the league going to the playoffs. Verrett had been good but is still green and Torres is fine as your last man in the/mop up guy. We really need to get these guys rested and just fine tweak the pen a little. Dario Alvarez over EOF is beyond obvious. We have some guy like Goedell and Black that may challenge C. Torres for his spot as well. And of course we are still moving a very good starter there eventually. The pen is going to be fine. Tonight it was just burnt to a crisp.
A tick a day keeps the gnats away.
It just sucks. We have 4 studs in our pen and Clippard/Familia is easily the best setup man/closer combination of any of the teams in the league going to the playoffs. Verrett had been good but is still green and Torres is fine as your last man in the/mop up guy. We really need to get these guys rested and just fine tweak the pen a little. Dario Alvarez over EOF is beyond obvious. We have some guy like Goedell and Black that may challenge C. Torres for his spot as well. And of course we are still moving a very good starter there eventually. The pen is going to be fine. Tonight it was just burnt to a crisp.
He basically just said those guys weren't available. We really didn't have much of a choice. The roster expansion is coming at a much needed time.
It just sucks. We have 4 studs in our pen and Clippard/Familia is easily the best setup man/closer combination of any of the teams in the league going to the playoffs. Verrett had been good but is still green and Torres is fine as your last man in the/mop up guy. We really need to get these guys rested and just fine tweak the pen a little. Dario Alvarez over EOF is beyond obvious. We have some guy like Goedell and Black that may challenge C. Torres for his spot as well. And of course we are still moving a very good starter there eventually. The pen is going to be fine. Tonight it was just burnt to a crisp.
I'm not arguing that the BP wasn't thin, but you can't tell me that nobody was available. If that's the case then it was just poor BP management by TC in an extra inning game. But seriously, it's one game. We need to win tomorrow.
I hated seeing the Red Sox on the schedule when I looked a month ago. I hate interleague play. It's run its course.
But you can always quibble with stuff after a tough loss
Mets just couldn't get the hits with Risp tonight
Yep, and it looks even worse when the go ahead run was scored on an inside the park HR hit to centerfield that maybe could have been limited to a double if the LFer actually moved to assist on the play.
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and that's really piss poor.
Yep, and it looks even worse when the go ahead run was scored on an inside the park HR hit to centerfield that maybe could have been limited to a double if the LFer actually moved to assist on the play.
The ball went out I thought.
Conforto or Syndergaard. But honestly, they would probably want Harvey and DeGrom
And of course.. Wilmer!
this late into the season. Phew!
Of course, that's also because the Mets have buzz now, so a lot of the people in the stadium are not diehard fans like the people on this thread.
Lara
Taylor
Arias
Kingsport- Gonzalez
BK-Badamo
Halladay, Greinke, Randy Johnson and... Ben Sheets!
Too bad the NL lost in the all star game this season
Halladay, Greinke, Randy Johnson and... Ben Sheets!
Holy shit.. Ben Sheets. I haven't seen his name in a long time.
Hearing #Mets making progress on acquiring reliever. No guarantee something comes together, but tangible talks.
David Wright experiencing shoulder stiffness http://es.pn/1ItkrYK #NYM #Mets
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You may have read that Wright is sore. He is. It's normal and absolutely nothing to do with his back. He'll almost certainly play tomorrow.
I think Terry trusts Robles. The dude played three days in a row and two innings on his last day. The pen was just taxed and certain players weren't available last night. Some still aren't as Colon might be coming out of the pen tonight!