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Former Giants S Stevie Brown released by Texans

The 12th Man : 8/28/2015 5:27 pm
Not saying to being him in but, considering all our injuries I think he might get a phone call.
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Tires  
Giantology : 8/28/2015 5:28 pm : link
Kick them?
RE: Tires  
section125 : 8/28/2015 5:29 pm : link
In comment 12440457 Giantology said:
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Kick them?


NFW...
Yes, fine with kicking the tires  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:30 pm : link
but please do not consider Stevie Brown.
Honestly  
Jon in NYC : 8/28/2015 5:30 pm : link
he's probably an upgrade at this point.
This is a tough one.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/28/2015 5:30 pm : link
Even with all of our injuries I dont want to bring him back. With that said, we have only seen him here with Fewell and th3 lack of communication wasn't just on him. So, can Spags gets the most out of him? I dont know.
RE: Honestly  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:32 pm : link
In comment 12440462 Jon in NYC said:
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he's probably an upgrade at this point.


then we truly are sunk...
They need a guy who can cover  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 5:32 pm : link
at that spot. Brown ain't it. As soon as the Texans got Dumps, Brown was on his way out.
I bet you he is brought in...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 5:34 pm : link
if nothing else he may help the Giants from a depth standpoint. I want to believe in Taylor but who knows.

Plus he should be in shape so it helps with practice next week and the 4th preseason game.

Okie - I agree with you...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:38 pm : link
we should bring in Stevie Brown to play snaps for us in the last 2 preseason games so our last remaining Safeties do not get hurt.

RE: Okie - I agree with you...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 5:41 pm : link
In comment 12440475 Jimmy Googs said:
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we should bring in Stevie Brown to play snaps for us in the last 2 preseason games so our last remaining Safeties do not get hurt.


Well Brown couldn't play tomorrow...but he could keep Collins off the field next week!
At this point ...  
FStubbs : 8/28/2015 5:41 pm : link
... we could use the fresh body and he'll be cheap.
RE: Honestly  
AcidTest : 8/28/2015 5:41 pm : link
In comment 12440462 Jon in NYC said:
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he's probably an upgrade at this point.


Sad, but true.
RE: RE: Okie - I agree with you...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 5:43 pm : link
In comment 12440477 okiegiant said:
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In comment 12440475 Jimmy Googs said:


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we should bring in Stevie Brown to play snaps for us in the last 2 preseason games so our last remaining Safeties do not get hurt.




Well Brown couldn't play tomorrow...but he could keep Collins off the field next week!


I am sold.
This is what is funny here..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 5:55 pm : link
Brown couldn't get off the roster fast enough for many people. Now they want him back?

Hey! I know his name!!!
I think having him eat snaps in preseason  
DavidinBMNY : 8/28/2015 5:59 pm : link
Sounds good. Making the roster not so much.
If healthy  
Rflairr : 8/28/2015 6:00 pm : link
you have to bring him in at this point
RE: I think having him eat snaps in preseason  
Jimmy Googs : 8/28/2015 6:01 pm : link
In comment 12440498 DavidinBMNY said:
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Sounds good. Making the roster not so much.


Yep. Nothing more.
RE: This is what is funny here..  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:02 pm : link
In comment 12440494 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Brown couldn't get off the roster fast enough for many people. Now they want him back?

Hey! I know his name!!!


Amazing isn't it? No fucking clue about whether or not he fits from a football perspective. But hey! I remember him! He can come in and eat snaps for the guys who will make the team. Whatever the fuck that means.
Ugh  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/28/2015 6:07 pm : link
This place is the worst.
What can brown do for blue?  
Chef : 8/28/2015 6:15 pm : link
a common saying in my house when e had that great interception year
RE: Ugh  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:19 pm : link
In comment 12440509 Dave in Hoboken said:
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This place is the worst.


No it's not. Did you even read the Preston Parker to DB thread? That shit is straight football genius.
Just out of curiosity  
arniefez : 8/28/2015 6:27 pm : link
What is ok to discuss on a message board about the NY Giants? The Giants are down to street free agents at safety and a safety from last years team just got cut. That's not an appropriate topic? We know he's awful but awful is an upgrade at this point. Of course it's possible the GM realizes that if he let's him back in the building he's going to be the starter no matter how awful he is unless he winds up on IR again.
It's OK to discuss..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/28/2015 6:31 pm : link
anything. It is also OK to ream people for being morons.
RE: RE: This is what is funny here..  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 6:31 pm : link
In comment 12440504 B in ALB said:
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In comment 12440494 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Brown couldn't get off the roster fast enough for many people. Now they want him back?

Hey! I know his name!!!



Amazing isn't it? No fucking clue about whether or not he fits from a football perspective. But hey! I remember him! He can come in and eat snaps for the guys who will make the team. Whatever the fuck that means.


Or, he could come in and play a few downs so a player like Jackson isn't out on the field late in the 4th quarter of a meaningless game just to get hurt.

Brown sucks, but seeing how Taylor is likely to go down again next week, Collins is 2 weeks off of a knee sprain, and Meriweather shouldn't even be here...at least it's worth discussing.



Or maybe it's not...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 6:33 pm : link
I don't get overly bent out of shape about the Giants anymore. Certainly not enough to get angry.
RE: RE: RE: This is what is funny here..  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:33 pm : link
In comment 12440528 okiegiant said:
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In comment 12440504 B in ALB said:


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In comment 12440494 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Brown couldn't get off the roster fast enough for many people. Now they want him back?

Hey! I know his name!!!



Amazing isn't it? No fucking clue about whether or not he fits from a football perspective. But hey! I remember him! He can come in and eat snaps for the guys who will make the team. Whatever the fuck that means.



Or, he could come in and play a few downs so a player like Jackson isn't out on the field late in the 4th quarter of a meaningless game just to get hurt.

Brown sucks, but seeing how Taylor is likely to go down again next week, Collins is 2 weeks off of a knee sprain, and Meriweather shouldn't even be here...at least it's worth discussing.




Why the fuck would Brown put himself in that position? Why would he ever entertain showing up just to ultimately be let go? That makes no sense.

You think the Giants are the only team that might call him? Come on.
He won't be familiar with the Spags D  
David B. : 8/28/2015 6:33 pm : link
Thus he's no better than any other team's Safety that gets cut.

But they do need bodies.
The visceral reaction against bringing him in is fucking baffling  
Sonic Youth : 8/28/2015 6:34 pm : link
There is literally no downside to bringing him in. He'll be comfortable playing here, and he did have a solid year pre-injury. He might not be the best cover guy, but he's been a starter in the league before, he's young, and we have absolutely nothing at Safety right now.

BTW, I know nobody wants to hear about this anymore, but fuck you Will Hill. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

I'd absolutely bring Brown in. What is the risk? What's the potential downside? If he's not good enough to start he'll sit on the bench.

It seems that every time anyone discusses bringing any player onto the Giants, there's a shitload of nay-sayers who will tear down the idea. I'll tell you this much - Brown has already done way more in the league than Taylor (though I do have high hopes for Taylor).

RE: Just out of curiosity  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:34 pm : link
In comment 12440521 arniefez said:
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What is ok to discuss on a message board about the NY Giants? The Giants are down to street free agents at safety and a safety from last years team just got cut. That's not an appropriate topic? We know he's awful but awful is an upgrade at this point. Of course it's possible the GM realizes that if he let's him back in the building he's going to be the starter no matter how awful he is unless he winds up on IR again.


Discuss away. But when you're exposed as a nitwit expect to get the business.
B, I don't think many teams are coming after Brown...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 6:36 pm : link
I was speaking more tongue in cheek about them bringing him in to eat snaps...but Brown is likely to sit until someone is desperate after week one.

The fact he was released before the 3rd preseason game says a lot about his value.
Hey Sonic...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 6:37 pm : link
what's your opinion of Will Hill! :)
Sonic Youth  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:37 pm : link
You act like Brown would just come running like a lost little Anak after his first kiss.

I'm not saying they won't call him in for a workout. I'm saying he isn't a fit for what this particular defensive backfield needs.

He can't cover anybody over the top and deep. Why is that so difficult to understand?
RE: B, I don't think many teams are coming after Brown...  
section125 : 8/28/2015 6:38 pm : link
In comment 12440540 okiegiant said:
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The fact he was released before the 3rd preseason game says a lot about his value.


+1 - I agree
I've always been a Stevie Brown fan ...  
Manny in CA : 8/28/2015 6:41 pm : link
Maybe, just maybe he just doesn't fit the system over there.

He's worth a shot, he always showed good ball sense. In an aggressive system like Spags' he might be very comfortable and be a good man to have around.
RE: Sonic Youth  
Sonic Youth : 8/28/2015 6:42 pm : link
In comment 12440543 B in ALB said:
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You act like Brown would just come running like a lost little Anak after his first kiss.

I'm not saying they won't call him in for a workout. I'm saying he isn't a fit for what this particular defensive backfield needs.

He can't cover anybody over the top and deep. Why is that so difficult to understand?

I don't think he's particularly good. It's just that we literally need bodies. Who knows, maybe he won't want to come back here, but I doubt he'll have too many teams calling him anyway.

He's shown himself to be serviceable in the past. If we can get "serviceable" out of the second safety spot, I'll take it. I get that we need a coverage safety, but I just feel he's one of the more viable options, considering our options are dogshit.

RE: RE: Ugh  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 6:42 pm : link
In comment 12440516 B in ALB said:
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In comment 12440509 Dave in Hoboken said:


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This place is the worst.



No it's not. Did you even read the Preston Parker to DB thread? That shit is straight football genius.


Okay, I thought this was about some thread from last year or something...I didn't realize it was a current one!
RE: B, I don't think many teams are coming after Brown...  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:42 pm : link
In comment 12440540 okiegiant said:
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I was speaking more tongue in cheek about them bringing him in to eat snaps...but Brown is likely to sit until someone is desperate after week one.

The fact he was released before the 3rd preseason game says a lot about his value.


But put his value in context in Houston. They have seven. Seven safeties. Brown was actually #1 on their DC. He must've completely fallen off the reservation. And some of you guys want him here?

He was already offered a deal in NY - a one year deal I think.

Based on personnel I don't see the fit.
RE: RE: Sonic Youth  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:47 pm : link
In comment 12440546 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 12440543 B in ALB said:


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You act like Brown would just come running like a lost little Anak after his first kiss.

I'm not saying they won't call him in for a workout. I'm saying he isn't a fit for what this particular defensive backfield needs.

He can't cover anybody over the top and deep. Why is that so difficult to understand?


I don't think he's particularly good. It's just that we literally need bodies. Who knows, maybe he won't want to come back here, but I doubt he'll have too many teams calling him anyway.

He's shown himself to be serviceable in the past. If we can get "serviceable" out of the second safety spot, I'll take it. I get that we need a coverage safety, but I just feel he's one of the more viable options, considering our options are dogshit.


Need bodies? So sign the first one thrown on the scrap heap? No thanks.

Plus, you already brought in Meriweather for one of the SS spots. I would think other options will be out there during the first 90 chop.
maybe he's fully recovered  
SHO'NUFF : 8/28/2015 6:49 pm : link
by now? he obviously wasn't last year.
B, I have no idea how Brown played in Houston...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 6:50 pm : link
I just know how he played here, and we all know it wasn't pretty.

I actually expected him to play poorly in Texas just because of past history. I was just thinking(maybe hoping?) anything might help at this point.

RE: RE: RE: Sonic Youth  
Sonic Youth : 8/28/2015 6:53 pm : link
In comment 12440549 B in ALB said:
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In comment 12440546 Sonic Youth said:


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In comment 12440543 B in ALB said:


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You act like Brown would just come running like a lost little Anak after his first kiss.

I'm not saying they won't call him in for a workout. I'm saying he isn't a fit for what this particular defensive backfield needs.

He can't cover anybody over the top and deep. Why is that so difficult to understand?


I don't think he's particularly good. It's just that we literally need bodies. Who knows, maybe he won't want to come back here, but I doubt he'll have too many teams calling him anyway.

He's shown himself to be serviceable in the past. If we can get "serviceable" out of the second safety spot, I'll take it. I get that we need a coverage safety, but I just feel he's one of the more viable options, considering our options are dogshit.




Need bodies? So sign the first one thrown on the scrap heap? No thanks.

Plus, you already brought in Meriweather for one of the SS spots. I would think other options will be out there during the first 90 chop.


Fair point.

I have no idea why he got cut in Houston. Maybe he's just jumping out because he's a familiar name, but it's strange how he had a good year in 2012, got hurt in '13, then sucked in 14. Maybe he wasn't healed up. Maybe he just got lucky... I'm not sure. But even if they sign another veteran after the cut to 90, I still don't think it hurts to bring him in and see if he could be a useful piece.
I mean there's gotta be a red flag right?  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 6:53 pm : link
The guy goes from starter to let go in four months? That's pretty crazy. Something's gotta be up with him physically or mentally or both.
Quote from Houston Chronicle today  
Defenderdawg : 8/28/2015 6:57 pm : link
Pre-release

“Any time a guy is coming off an injury, he’s always apprehensive about how that injury is going to hold up,” defensive coordinator Crennel said. “But Stevie has been able to get out on the field during training camp. He’s represented himself well and he’s in that competition. I think that he’s a smart guy because he’s got that experience. That’s beneficial to him. He’ll let it play out.”

Brown says he’s “definitely feeling better. At the beginning of camp, I was a little rusty. But I think I’m starting to show them I can still do what I used to do. You have to just put your head down and keep pushing forward.”
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Stevie Brown is not the answer......  
Simms11 : 8/28/2015 6:59 pm : link
the guy played himself right off the roster IMO. Additionally, all of our safeties need live action game reps. We can't afford to sit guys that will be playing, especially on a Defense that they're all still learning. I know we've been bitten by injuries before, but you can't be afraid to play the game otherwise we've lost before we even started.

Now we have guys like Gordy and the Model that can help eat up some minutes, but I think ou r safeties need tons of live action reps.
I tried to find any stories about why he fell from grace in Houston...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 7:01 pm : link
and I found little(besides some generic stories).

There is one blurb from NFL.com wondering if a reunion with the Giants may be in order, but that's about it.
Just keep in mind  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/28/2015 7:02 pm : link
that anyone who the Giants sign now...including Stevie Brown...doesn't know Steve Spagnuolo's defense at all.
Sorry, here is the link...  
okiegiant : 8/28/2015 7:05 pm : link
but it's all just speculation. It does show how thin the Texans are at safety so there must be some issue with Brown.
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I think  
Emil : 8/28/2015 7:16 pm : link
the Giants have kicked all four of those tires enough.

Would rather see them bring in Craig Dahl (provided he gets released) over Brown, and I don't even think Dahl is that good, but he knows the Spags D and can play specials.
The Giants are better off  
B in ALB : 8/28/2015 7:21 pm : link
keeping tabs on guys like Phillip Thomas in Miami or a guy like Jerico Nelson - both familiar with Spags.
I think we should aim higher.  
Ira : 8/28/2015 7:32 pm : link
We're probably just as good with what we have. Maybe someone will shake loose from another team. Maybe we can offer a 7th round pick to motivate a team to part with someone who isn't great, but who could help us. I don't think Brown adds anything to our current roster.
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