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Defenderdawg : 8/29/2015 8:13 am
Giants

Williams ESPN 104.5: Adam Schefter: Not All Giants Staff Wanted Antrel Rolle To Go [AUDIO]
http://1045theteam.com/adam-schefter-not-all-giants-staff-wanted-antrel-rolle-to-go-audio/

Kratch NJ.com: 9 Giants to watch in Saturday's preseason game vs. Jets
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/08/9_giants_to_watch_in_saturdays_preseason_game_vs_j.html#incart_river

Dottino WFAN: 3 Things To Watch As Injury-Riddled Giants Take On Jets
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/28/giants-jets-preview-dottino/

Coach

Schwartz NYP: Tom Coughlin wants good reason to pull his starters early vs. Jets
http://nypost.com/2015/08/28/tom-coughlin-wants-good-reason-to-pull-his-starters-early-vs-jets/

RB

Rock Newsday: Shane Vereen seeks 'progress' for Giants' offense against Jets
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/shane-vereen-seeks-progress-for-giants-offense-against-jets-1.10785237

RG

Raanan NJ.com: Important game upcoming for Geoff Schwartz and the Giants
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/08/important_game_upcoming_for_geoff_schwartz_and_the.html

DT

Stapleton The Record: NFL: Giants' Ellis knows both sides of rivalry
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/football/happy-to-be-blue-1.1400520

CB

Schwartz NYP: The Snoopy Bowl matchups Prince Amukamara is excited for
http://nypost.com/2015/08/28/the-snoopy-bowl-matchups-prince-amukamara-is-excited-for/

Samuel NYDN: Jayron Hosley knows it's now or never to prove himself with Giants
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/hosley-prove-giants-article-1.2340426

S

Graziano ESPN: Yes, a Stevie Brown reunion with Giants is possible
"The Houston Texans on Friday released former New York Giantssafety Stevie Brown. Sources close to the situation tell me they did this because Brown wasn't likely to make the Texans' roster, that he was aware of that and that he wanted to pursue potential opportunities elsewhere, so he and the team agreed to part ways."
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/43707/yes-a-stevie-brown-giants-reunion-is-possible

NFL

Serby NYP: Bizarre preseasons for Jets, Giants lead to one last shot at hope
http://nypost.com/2015/08/28/bizarre-preseasons-for-jets-giants-lead-to-one-last-shot-at-hope/

Kacsmar Football Outsiders: New catch radius article on 2014 rookies: Odell Beckham isn't the only one who can go tall with consistency.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/catch-radius-odell-beckham-has-company

BALTIMORE
@JasonColeBR: 2-year deal on Ravens S Will Hill is worth $7M total, plus another $400K in P/T incentives. Keeps him thru '16 season. Got $2.84M guarantee...And this is a strong indication of how much Ravens think of Hill. They see star potential along lines of Rodney Harrison/John Lynch, if...its Will Hill, the ifs are obvious.

CAROLINA
Fowler Charlotte Observer: Corey Brown, Panthers drop passes and game to Patriots
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/scott-fowler/article32701107.html

CHICAGO
Finley Chicago Sun Times: 'Ultra-competitor' Terrance Mitchell nears Bears gig
http://chicago.suntimes.com/bears-football/7/71/916200/ultra-competitor-terrance-mitchell-nears-bears-gig

CLEVELAND
Reed Cleve Plain Dealer: Does high praise for rookie RB Duke Johnson say more about him or Browns' other play-making options
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/08/does_all_the_praise_for_rookie.html

Cabot Cleve Plain Dealer: Joe Haden believes other teams would grab Terrelle Pryor as a receiver if Browns cut him
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/08/joe_haden_confident_other_team.html

DALLAS
Moore Dallas Morning News: Win not needed, but here's what Cowboys hope to accomplish vs. Vikings
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20150828-moore-win-not-needed-but-here-s-what-cowboys-hope-to-accomplish-vs.-vikings.ece

DENVER
Jhabalva Denver Post: Broncos rookie guard Max Garcia all business after Evan Mathis signing
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28719866/broncos-rookie-guard-max-garcia-all-business-after

Renck Denver Post: Darian Stewart more than a safety valve for Broncos
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_28720841/darian-stewart-more-than-safety-valve-broncos

DETROIT
Maske Wash Post: Can Calvin Johnson be the Calvin Johnson of old? And not an old (and hurt) version of Calvin Johnson?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/28/can-calvin-johnson-ever-be-calvin-johnson-again/

Birkett Detroit Free Press: Igwenagu, Burton neck-and-neck for Lions' fullback job
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/08/28/who--detroit-lions-fullback/71299510/

Birkett Detroit Free Press: Detroit 22, Jacksonville 17: Lions' defense needs work
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/08/28/detroit-lions-jacksonville-jaguars/71354100/

Birkett Detroit Free Press: Lions observations: Abdullah gets first carry; Zenner shines
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/08/28/detroit-lions-observations/71348162/

Birkett Detroit Free Press: Lewis gets surprise start, Whitehead to bench for Lions
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2015/08/29/tahir-whitehead-benched/71369052/

GREEN BAY
Silverstein Mil JS: Ty Montgomery's many roles raise fears of burnout
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ty-montgomerys-many-roles-raise-fears-of-burnout-b99566112z1-323296151.html?ipad=y

McGinn Mil JS: Tim Masthay's slump hasn't led coaches to replace him
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/tim-masthays-slump-hasnt-led-coaches-to-replace-him-b99566114z1-323295371.html?ipad=y

HOUSTON
Wilson Houston Chronicle: Texans quarterback Ryan Mallett returns to practice, throws touchdowns
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/08/texans-quarterback-ryan-mallett-returns-to-practice-throws-touchdowns/

Wilson Houston Chronicle: Texans' Jadeveon Clowney won't play in any preseason games
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/08/jadeveon-clowney-wont-play-in-any-preseason-games/

Wilson Houston Chronicle: Texans cut safety Stevie Brown, sources say
http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2015/08/texans-cut-safety-stevie-brown-sources-say/

INDIANAPOLIS
Holder Ind Star: Colts' Donald Thomas fights to get back in game
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/05/23/colts-donald-thomas-fights-get-back-game/27838669/

KANSAS CITY
Paylor KC Star: Chiefs coach Andy Reid has always been a man with a plan on offense
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article32642088.html

Paylor KC Star: Chiefs' first-string offense rolls in 34-10 preseason win over Titans
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article32709831.html

Paylor KC Star: Chiefs third-string QB Aaron Murray has strong second half against Titans
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/red-zone/article32702715.html

MINNESOTA
Miller Minn Star Tribune: Kyle Rudolph says Vikings tight ends close-knit despite battle for jobs
http://www.startribune.com/kyle-rudolph-says-vikings-tight-ends-close-knit-despite-battle-for-jobs/323251481/

NEW ENGLAND
Volin Boston Globe: Finally, a feel-good moment for Tom Brady
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/08/28/onfoot/58DRDXWU2vcLPQxd4Hh8VN/story.html

McBride Boston Globe: Patriots' Develin suffers broken leg
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/08/28/patriots-jordan-richards-real-student-game/vB41hJ0jOtiaRMBmssv6xJ/story.html

NEW ORLEANS
Terrell Nola.com: New Orleans Saints lead NFL with 20 percent of '15 salary cap allocated to 'dead money'
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/08/new_orleans_saints_lead_nfl_wi.html

Tanier B/R: The last ride of the Drew Brees #Saints? Maybe. Maybe not:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2554065-drew-brees-old-posse-saddles-up-for-what-could-be-their-last-ride

Woodberry Nola.com: Sean Payton: Saints WR Willie Snead IV 'in thick' of battle for roster spot
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2015/08/sean_payton_saints_wr_willie_s.html

OAKLAND
Tafur SF Chronicle: Raiders players credit coach, GM for building cohesive team
http://www.sfchronicle.com/raiders/article/Raiders-coach-GM-credited-for-building-6472204.php?t=403df191d70a4808f6& cmpid=twitter-premium

PHILADELPHIA
Berman Phil.com: Eagles LB Alonso expects to play Saturday . . . finally
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20150829_Eagles_LB_Alonso_expects_to_play_Saturday_______finally.html

McLane Phil.com: Who Makes the Eagles Roster: CB. Byron Maxwell improves unit, but who makes the cut?
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eagles/Who-Makes-the-Eagles-Roster-Cornerback.html

Marvez Fox Sports: MalcolmJenkins channels his inner Yogi Berra when discussing challenges of playing on Eagles D.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/philadelphia-eagles-malcolm-jenkins-pace-082815

ST. LOUIS
Gordon STL Post Dispatch: Rams fans want to see Foles do something
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordon-rams-fans-want-to-see-foles-do-something/article_1fff16f2-eb19-5dfb-9796-931a4e91c671.html

Lyons STL Post Dispatch: Rams notes: Rookie QB Mannion makes the most of limited action
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-notes-rookie-qb-mannion-makes-the-most-of-limited/article_f0bdb168-b15c-5dc1-8e38-bee25b70b92c.html

Thomas STL Post Dispatch: Rams' defense steps up in class vs. Luck, Colts
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-defense-steps-up-in-class-vs-luck-colts/article_3acc8be1-86d8-5607-886a-aa437a028464.html

SAN DIEGO
Gehlken UTSD: No Eric Weddle, O-line spotlight vs. Seahawks
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/aug/28/chargers-seahawks-philip-rivers-eric-weddle/

TENNESSEE
Glennon The Tennessean: Titans' first-team defense buried by Alex Smith and Chiefs in 34-10 KC victory:
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2015/08/29/titans-defense-unable-slow-alex-smith/71365504/

Glennon The Tennessean: Titans notebook: Marcus Mariota feisty after sack
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2015/08/29/titans-notebook-marcus-mariota-feisty-after-sack/71370340/

Climer The Tennessean: Marcus Mariota will need all his resiliency with Titans
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/david-climer/2015/08/29/titans-marcus-mariota-remains-undeterred/71363976/[

WASHINGTON
Keim ESPN Wash: Washington Redskins QB Kirk Cousins confident in ability to overcome INTs
http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/19348/washington-redskins-qb-kirk-cousins-confident-in-ability-to-overcome-ints

Steinberg Wash Post: More questions, and more drama for Robert Griffin III and the Redskins
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/08/28/more-questions-and-more-drama-for-robert-griffin-iii-and-the-redskins/

Jones Wash Post: Preston Smith using lessons from Junior Galette while competing to replace him
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/08/28/preston-smith-using-lessons-from-junior-galette-while-competing-to-replace-him/

Draft

Sielski Phil.com: Will Hackenberg be a product of Penn State's offense, or the other way around?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/20150830_Will_Hackenberg_be_a_product_of_Penn_State_s_offense__or_the_other_way_around_.html

Campbell Walter Football: Scouting report & season preview on VirginiaTech CB Kendall Fuller. A potential No.1 cover corner in the NFL.
http://www.walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2016kfuller.php

History

Kaplan MMQB: Bad Play Proven in a Court of Law, Helium-Filled Footballs and Other Oddities from the SI Archives
"1. I think a 1956 issue of SI illuminated what has to be one of the greatest football-related courtroom scenes ever. The anecdote: “A onetime halfback named Joe Pertuzzo told the jury that the Giants started him in a preseason game with Los Angeles, back in 1954, then dropped him because he suffered a broken thumb in the game; Joe wanted $6,000. No, indeed, the Giants said; Joe just wasn’t good enough for the Giants. In a darkened courtroom, Coach Jim Lee Howell and Halfback Petruzzo reviewed film for the jury.
Howell: See, the ball carrier comes through…. He should have been duck soup for Petruzzo.
Petruzzo: Watch the next play and see if I didn’t take care of the outside. I turned the play in.
Howell: You didn’t make the tackle….On this play you can see Joe come in, but he slips…
Petruzzo: A lot of good players slip, Coach.
Howell: Good players don’t slip, Joe boy.
The jury voted for Howell.”
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/08/28/football-oddities-namath-butkus-ball-tampering-super-bowl-i-ads

Borges Talk of Fame: The Talk of Fame Network revisits the AFL era with AFL legends Lance Alworth & Gino Cappelletti. Listen now:
http://www.talkoffamenetwork.com/alworth-cappelletti-recall-the-afls-glory-days/

Giants Birthdays 8-29 to 9-04

8-29
Carl Banks LOLB D1 1984 NYG 1984-1992 8-29-1962

8-30
Stephen Baker WR D3 1987 NYG 1987-1992 8-30-1964
Terry Falcon G NYG 1980 8-30-1955
Derrick Ward RB NYG 2004-2008 8-30-1980

8-31
Allen Bradford LB NYG 2013 8-31-1988
Tom Coughlin NYG Assistant Coach 1988-1990 HC NYG 2004-2015 8-31-1946
Ed Jenkins RB NYG 1974 8-31-1950
Calvin Miller NT NYG 1979 8-31-1953
Nate Rivers RB NYG 1980 8-31-1955

9-01
Duke Calhoun WR NYG 2010 9-01-1987
Mark Herzlich MLB NYG 2011-2014 9-01-1987
Brian Kelley MLB/RLB/ROLB/LILB D14 1973 NYG 1973-1983 9-01-1951
Mike Patterson LDT NYG 2013-2014 9-01-1983

9-02
Joe Danelo PK NYG 1976-1982 9-02-1953
Tommy Maddox QB NYG 1995 9-02-1971

9-03
Carlos Emmons LLB NYG 2004-2006 9-03-1973
Dave Herman G D8 1963 (Signed with NYJ) 9-03-1941
Tom Scott RLB NYG 1959-1964 9-03-1930
Bob Simms TE/LB D10 1960 NYG 1960-1962 9-03-1938
Ricky Stanzi QB NYG Training camp 2015 9-03-1987
Renaldo Wynn DE NYG 2008 9-03-1974
Not all Giants staff wanted Rolle to go?  
Big Blue '56 : 8/29/2015 8:18 am : link
How about ALL of the Giants staff?

THAT was not the issue..Paying him what he wanted was the issue..His play did not merit it imo..They made the correct financial call I believe..
RE: Not all Giants staff wanted Rolle to go?  
sundayatone : 8/29/2015 8:24 am : link
In comment 12440968 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
How about ALL of the Giants staff?

THAT was not the issue..Paying him what he wanted was the issue..His play did not merit it imo..They made the correct financial call I believe..


we were 6-10 with him and we can be 6-10 without him.
We have cap space right now  
djm : 8/29/2015 9:49 am : link
And rolle's long term salary and cap hit isn't that bad. I'd rather have rolle than 4 million in cap space that probably won't all be used up anyway.

Stevie brown potentially back here makes my stomach ache. Nothing against the guy but he's awful...
RE: We have cap space right now  
Big Blue '56 : 8/29/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12441025 djm said:
Quote:
And rolle's long term salary and cap hit isn't that bad. I'd rather have rolle than 4 million in cap space that probably won't all be used up anyway.

Stevie brown potentially back here makes my stomach ache. Nothing against the guy but he's awful...


True, except at the time, the consensus here(I think) and more importantly with the Giants, he wasn't worth the monies he wanted..Especially after it appeared that he lost a step last year..And, like most here, I was a Rolle man
Hind-sight is always  
PEEJ : 8/29/2015 10:08 am : link
20-20
Actually,  
robbieballs2003 : 8/29/2015 10:33 am : link
I dont think it was the money. From my understanding, Reese never even made an offer to him. It sounded like he wanted to move on.
RE: Actually,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/29/2015 10:37 am : link
In comment 12441073 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
I dont think it was the money. From my understanding, Reese never even made an offer to him. It sounded like he wanted to move on.


Do you recall what his contract with the Bears was? How much guaranteed?
RE: Not all Giants staff wanted Rolle to go?  
Tony-in-Wichita : 8/29/2015 10:40 am : link
In comment 12440968 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
How about ALL of the Giants staff?

THAT was not the issue..Paying him what he wanted was the issue..His play did not merit it imo..They made the correct financial call I believe..


He may have found new life under Spags scheme. He could have an extension of spags on the field. The guy never missed practice and lead the locker room. Invaluable IMO.. I think he would do well in Spags defense... Rolle was out of position often covering as slot corner.
6-10 with him or without him line  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2015 11:28 am : link
Sucks.

Beckham? Eli? Who need them? We can be 6-10 without them, right?
RE: 6-10 with him or without him line  
sundayatone : 8/29/2015 12:02 pm : link
In comment 12441116 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
Sucks.

Beckham? Eli? Who need them? We can be 6-10 without them, right?



each player has a diff value and importance,rolle was not a diff maker or a plyer that would have the impact that would change the w/L record.
That's be  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2015 12:21 pm : link
He wasn't the problem last year. And now the position was downgraded severely without him.

We could have kept him. They let him go without a decent backup. They choose to sign Casillas and Harris with the cash that could have been used for a very good & versatile S.

Rolls can still play. He didn't look like a slow player last year. He's still move and get to where he needs to be. I expect him to have a couple of good years in CHI while we look for a street FA to start.
RE: 6-10 with him or without him line  
djm : 8/29/2015 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12441116 KWALL2 said:
Quote:
Sucks.

Beckham? Eli? Who need them? We can be 6-10 without them, right?


I hear you brother. I fucking hate that line and always have. You wanna stay lousy keep getting rid of the good players. Just because you lost with a guy doesn't mean you can't win with him if the roster is fixed around that player.

Rolle most definitely lost a step but he woule have helped the run defense. Oh well...
RE: RE: 6-10 with him or without him line  
sundayatone : 8/29/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12441173 djm said:
Quote:
In comment 12441116 KWALL2 said:


Quote:


Sucks.

Beckham? Eli? Who need them? We can be 6-10 without them, right?



I hear you brother. I fucking hate that line and always have. You wanna stay lousy keep getting rid of the good players. Just because you lost with a guy doesn't mean you can't win with him if the roster is fixed around that player.

Rolle most definitely lost a step but he woule have helped the run defense. Oh well...


not really.more mouth then prod.
Rolle  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2015 1:08 pm : link
can't do all of the things he did 5 years ago but this is a guy who we were able to put in just about any position on pass D. He didn't lose it all.

Athletically, even at this stage, he's a better athlete than anything we had at S in 2015. He has more speed/quickness than any other S on the roster plus he has exp and recognition skills. He would have helped the pass D.

If were going with Collins at one S we need a player like Rolle out there too. I was hoping Jackson could have been that guy but going into the preseason with Jackson/Thompson as your only cover types at S was a mistake.

Not only did they blow it with Rolle but they may have let another option go with Thurmond. He'll be the starting S in PHI this year.
Sundayatone  
KWALL2 : 8/29/2015 1:11 pm : link
What the hell is "production" at S especially when the defense is falling apart around you?

RE: Rolle  
sundayatone : 8/29/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12441191 KWALL2 said:
[quote] can't do all of the things he did 5 years ago but this is a guy who we were able to put in just about any position on pass D. He didn't lose it all.

Athletically, even at this stage, he's a better athlete than anything we had at S in 2015. He has more speed/quickness than any other S on the roster plus he has exp and recognition skills. He would have helped the pass D.

If were going with Collins at one S we need a player like Rolle out there too. I was hoping Jackson could have been that guy but going into the preseason with Jackson/Thompson as your only cover types at S was a mistake.

Not only did they blow it with Rolle but they may have let another option go with Thurmond. He'll be the starting S in PHI this year. [/quote

now thurmond i agree with,should have brought him back.
I would have tried to retain Thurmond  
Big Blue '56 : 8/29/2015 1:21 pm : link
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Toth029 : 8/29/2015 1:54 pm : link
Rolle's deal with CHI was $5M guaranteed off three years. Not too bad but it was clear as day he was breaking down last year and lost a big step. He shouldn't necessarily be a starter anymore. Maybe he rebounds in Chicago, we'll see. But Reese ignoring the Safeties in the off-season isn't an indictment on whether or not it was the right thing to retain Rolle. He did make offers to McCourtey, Parker, and another player (Stewart from BAL?). I wish he had been more aggressive, but it is what it is. Instead he relied on off-injured guys like Jackson, Taylor, and fringe starters like Miles and Meriweather.

And BB '56... .Thurmond was oft injured coming to NY and let coming off a season missing 14 games. :P

I can't blame them either for wanting to move on.
RE: ...  
AcidTest : 8/29/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12441234 Toth029 said:
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Rolle's deal with CHI was $5M guaranteed off three years. Not too bad but it was clear as day he was breaking down last year and lost a big step. He shouldn't necessarily be a starter anymore. Maybe he rebounds in Chicago, we'll see. But Reese ignoring the Safeties in the off-season isn't an indictment on whether or not it was the right thing to retain Rolle. He did make offers to McCourtey, Parker, and another player (Stewart from BAL?). I wish he had been more aggressive, but it is what it is. Instead he relied on off-injured guys like Jackson, Taylor, and fringe starters like Miles and Meriweather.

And BB '56... .Thurmond was oft injured coming to NY and let coming off a season missing 14 games. :P

I can't blame them either for wanting to move on.


Agreed. Excellent analysis. Well said.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/29/2015 4:08 pm : link
beat reporters have alluded to a Philly deal being done with Thurmond well before free agency started. He wanted to get back with Chip Kelly.
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