Some of you make it see as though the path back to contention is as simple as acquiring picks and starting over by securing talent at other positions, sucking for a year or two and then drafting another franchise QB. What is the track record of teams actually doing that and succeeding? I can't think of any outside of the recent Colts and that was when there was A) an all time, slam dunk prospect on the horizon, and B) that Colts team is not that good outside of Luck being extraordinary. If youre going to bring up the 9ers going from Montana to Young, Pack from Favre to Rodgers or even Eagles with McNabb to Vick, those inheriting players were already on the team and those teams were already stocked with vets.
You build teams through the draft and we have started to do that. Despite what many would have you believe, there is a decent amount of young talent on this roster. Obviously we have ODB, cruz and RR (at least for another year), and it looks like we have a tough physical albeit young receiver in Geremy Davis. The line, our talent is pretty much in 3 players, all were drafted in house in Pugh, Flowers (who reminds me of a more tame Erick Williams) and Richburg. Depth on the lines is def a priority going forward. Corner we are pretty set with starters for at least 3 more years (assuming Prince gets a new deal), but again depth here is always needed. Pretty much bank on OL and DB draft picks every year. DL? Hankins is getting ready to become all pro, Bromley has been one of the lone bright spots of the preseason, OO looks like the goods and Moore has a ton of ability to unlock. The other potential difference makers on the team are Landon Collins, JT Thomas and (dare I say) Orleans Darkwa.
That is A LOT more than other doormat teams of years past who look for that quarterback to lead them out have. Many of those players are cost controlled.
So why dump with Eli? Yea, we m8ght not be shit this year. Most were saying when MacAdoo took over itd be a 3 year plan. Well we're in year 2. If we traded Eli, in 2 years we might be the Houston Texans or the Jets. If you're looking for the next 3rd rounder (a la Russell Wilson or Kaepernick) to lead a stacked team to the Super Bowl, don't hold your breath. With the number of teams in CFB going to the spread, finding an NFL ready guy with knowledge of a pro style is going to be harder and harder. I think we might start seeing more and more of the pro ready guys coming from smaller schools.
Here it is. Eli is 34 and (knock on wood) has stayed remarkably healthy. Plantar Fascitis for a QB? Manageable. He is still very good in tight moments and we might have to wait another year to build the rezt of the team up around him. Big deal. We aren't the Pats. We don't play against the Fins, Bills and Jets twice a year. We reload and build a TOUGH, battle ready team when we are in contention. What was all the amazing talent we had on ANY of our Super Bowl teams? Outside of the D on the first two squads, maybe Bavaro could be considered all pro? Was Simms considered top 5 in the league in 86? Hoss?
We have a clutch, tough, great quarterback who will cost a lot but if we get rid of Eli, the wait for another run will be A LOT longer. Brady is what? 38? Extend Eli, show improvement, make a run next year at the latest.
I actually think the team and Manning are in two different spots at this point, I've said that repeatedly.
Your post and pretty much every post you make is full of made up bull shit though. You're a terrible poster that helps make this place impossible to have sort of sane conversation about Manning because your consistent garbage about him understandably gets people in defense mode. That you have #10 as your sn is an embarrassment.
I actually think the team and Manning are in two different spots at this point, I've said that repeatedly.
Your post and pretty much every post you make is full of made up bull shit though. You're a terrible poster that helps make this place impossible to have sort of sane conversation about Manning because your consistent garbage about him understandably gets people in defense mode. That you have #10 as your sn is an embarrassment.
He was a Brad Van Pelt fan
By the way, what are Eli's QBR rating and 3rd down percentages for the last 3 years?
Before you challenge me on my thoughts and opinions I want you to at least have some idea of what we're talking about. You know what a message board is??? Different people with thoughts and opinions. Or did you mean to go to Giantsheep.com? I'm sorry. Eli's the best Qb in the league and Giants are going to the SB! Better? If you want to debate you have to actually debate the point. Your the worst doesn't count. I may even swing your way but you have to say something more than Eli rocks because your a giants fan.
How was a guy on a team with the 27th defense, 31st run game, an OL that gave up the most pressures in the NFL, and an all-time record for fourth quarter comebacks classified as a game manager that carried/covered up for by the rest of his team?
Why would anyone with half a brain think the threat of a QB controversy would EVER enter Tom Coughlin's mind, in any capacity, in a pre-season fucking game?
BTW, for a bonus, do you know what Eli's splits were for the games with his Superman WR and those without him last year? 7.01 YPA, 2.25 TD/G, 66.9%, 93.6 passer rating vs 7.44 YPA, 1.75 TD/G, 61.9%, 91.7 passer rating.
And I just said (and have repeatedly said, to the point where I've been called an Eli hater in large part because idiots like you incite the homers with your garbage and they're constantly on high alert/sensitivity) that I think the team and Manning are at two different places and neither of them are likely going to benefit from extending their partnership. I just can separate that belief of mine from A) the reality that they're obviously going to extend him whether any of us "like" it or not B) the team being a mess and his age not fitting into a rebuild of the scale it needs doesn't mean he sucks or always sucked C) the pre-season doesn't suddenly matter when it's never ever been an indicator of what Eli is going to do or not do in real games
You used to pimp Tebow as a Giant regularly. The sheer stupidity of it is the only reason I recognize your sn. It's WOAT-level. Even Giants.com would probably throw you in the bushes.
2nd your saying you actually agree that it's in the Giants best interest to think this one through before extending but you want to debate the burress point??
Burress was on the roster in 2008. 2011 we barely made the playoffs and Eli had a QBR of 59 under Stafford and Michael Vick. 2009 Phillip Rivers was ranked 2nd that year. Eli was ranked 10 under Vince Young. And 2014 like I said imo was due to OBJ. No OBJ and his numbers would have been worse. But even with OBJ he didn't make the 10. I even went back as far as 2006 to try to see how Eli ranked against Phillip and Ben. I found something interesting. There hasn't been a one year that Eli ranked above both Phillip and Ben statistically at the same time despite being the #1 pick in the draft. We all know the Kings ransom the Giants gave up. But if you look at all time career passer ratings.
Phillip Rivers ranks 6th w/ 95.7
Ben Roethlisberger 8th w/ 93.9
Eli Manning ranks 41 w/ 82.4
So hindsight being 20/20 and all, the Giants traded the #6th all time QB for the 41st all time QB and gave up 3 additional picks to do it. Now the Giants will tell you 2 SB's to Phillip's 0, they feel pretty good about that. As they should. But you never really know what Phillip would have did on a solid team with a solid FO and those 3 extra picks to boot. So excuse me if I have a problem with his agent asking for his client to be paid like he's asking to be paid all the while never cracking the top 5 statistically and a two years removed from ranking just above Terrel Pryor at the bottom of the league.
Best case, Eli defies the odds and has the best year of his career with a bad defense and a bad O-line. Just don't blame those who are looking at plan B ahead of time.
That you seriously think 2011 was not anything special off of QBR (which is not the same as passer rating, just so you maybe can rub your one brain cell against your skull to not confuse the two like you seem to be doing) and can't seem to remember how Rivers played on some monsterously teams in SD is enough that I'm not going to bother with this anymore though. It's just not going to go anywhere and even doing a quick archive search would be a waste of time.
And you probably remember me saying Tebows college girlfriend was hot. And I want her to play for my team. Tebow not a chance.
We have a lot of fucking stupid posters here. We are using QB rating to judge a QB now.
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That you seriously think 2011 was not anything special off of QBR (which is not the same as passer rating, just so you maybe can rub your one brain cell against your skull to not confuse the two like you seem to be doing) and can't seem to remember how Rivers played on some monsterously teams in SD is enough that I'm not going to bother with this anymore though. It's just not going to go anywhere and even doing a quick archive search would be a waste of time.
Call me a homer or Kool-Aid drinker, but Eli's 2011 was the best clutch season I have ever seen in 60 years of bleeding blue and not just Giants related either
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2008, Manning actually was a "game manager" as people incorrectly use the term. Even 2010 was a better year than just the INT total would have some believe and better than the Plax years, largely.
That you seriously think 2011 was not anything special off of QBR (which is not the same as passer rating, just so you maybe can rub your one brain cell against your skull to not confuse the two like you seem to be doing) and can't seem to remember how Rivers played on some monsterously teams in SD is enough that I'm not going to bother with this anymore though. It's just not going to go anywhere and even doing a quick archive search would be a waste of time.
Call me a homer or Kool-Aid drinker, but Eli's 2011 was the best clutch season I have ever seen in 60 years of bleeding blue and not just Giants related either
But what was his QB rating. Thats what we judge players on.
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2008, Manning actually was a "game manager" as people incorrectly use the term. Even 2010 was a better year than just the INT total would have some believe and better than the Plax years, largely.
That you seriously think 2011 was not anything special off of QBR (which is not the same as passer rating, just so you maybe can rub your one brain cell against your skull to not confuse the two like you seem to be doing) and can't seem to remember how Rivers played on some monsterously teams in SD is enough that I'm not going to bother with this anymore though. It's just not going to go anywhere and even doing a quick archive search would be a waste of time.
Call me a homer or Kool-Aid drinker, but Eli's 2011 was the best clutch season I have ever seen in 60 years of bleeding blue and not just Giants related either
But what was his QB rating. Thats what we judge players on.
Stat-wise, Rodgers probably buried him..But That has never been my focus anyway..But in this age of FF? :)
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Yeah, that's part of what those stats calculate.
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Yeah, that's part of what those stats calculate.
Giants were 13th in the NFL in scoring last year at over 23 points per game. Your drive has 10 points there. So, like everything else you have said, its all bullshit.
I don't even know what language that is supposed to be.
Not sure whst happened to him..He was a more than a decent poster for awhile there..Not used to these "swings" from him..Perhaps he's been hacked?