This isnt a snap judgement. These are things webe seen for a few years now. You cant scheme around a lack of talent on all three levels of your defense.
how many players on the giants defense would see snaps on the jets defense?
In comment 12443571 Eric from BBI said:
[quote] LOL...defenders not getting off of blocks has nothing to do with scheme. [/quote
I know Eric but you could watch every preseason game in the nfl and you'll see heavy examples of defenders not getting off blocks etc etc. You may end up being right but I think it's worth giving it some time. I'd like to think that with Ayers, Odigizuwa , Moore and Kennard we can get some pressure on the QB. And if JPP shows up and gets into football shape ..... He could help in 4-6 weeks.
This isnt a snap judgement. These are things webe seen for a few years now. You cant scheme around a lack of talent on all three levels of your defense.
how many players on the giants defense would see snaps on the jets defense?
I just don't think you can go on much in the preseason - that's just my opinion.
You might feel differently when Dallas puts 45 points up on these guys in two weeks.
Eric, there is a good chance Dallas does drops 45, and maybe you end up being right for the season, usually you are. But I still don't feel this doom and gloom with this franchise, even if we suffer this year. This Giant organization does more good things then bad running this football team. We are having bad luck through our transition period, I get that, but the worm will turn and I believe Eli is a part of that success, even if it is in 2016, 2017 or 2018.
but can we blame them for our guys being overpowered each and every game? Give them a year or two with Ereck Flowers, and he'll be the one getting pushed around.
I just pray they find some way to avoid yet another 0-2 start. It's just too big a hole for a team like the Giants to overcome - and for the fans, the season is over before it even starts.
be old enough to know when to put stock into preseason results and when not to.
Eli never has a good or sharp preseason. If hew were a rookie, I might expect that kind of review, but after seeing him for years and still making those comments.
I will also add while Dallas may put up 45 (they did just drop 14 against the mighty Vikings!) it's just as likely we get after Romo with some of Spag's blitz packages and knock Romo out for the season.
Last I checked, this sport is based on competition and if we reach a point where Nassib is ready to replace Eli then that's what needs to happen. There is a reason Eli doesn't have a new contract yet. Use logic here.
And i have little doubt that Dallas will comfortably win the opener. But it is too early for Eric to be throwing in the towel. . Preseason has rarely been a reliable indicator of regular season success.
The offense barring injuries will be good. If the defense can come together this team should be in the hunt.
we have fans who rather win the offseason or preseason super bowl than the one at the end of the year.
so last week we played without richburg, half gimp schwartz and randle, no cruz, no beason, no JPP, no beatty, no ayers, no behre.... and we are shocked we look out of sync?
our top wrs gave barely practiced at full speed. our oline has been shuffled around. defense lacks talent to begin with and has a list of guys at the infirmary.
we haven't looked good? No shit. means nothing. because if these guys don't come back, we aren't going to be good anyways.
Eli still looks jumpy to me in the pocket. This is the same guy who stood in the pocket and took a beating in San Francisco. But if guys buzz by him now, he gets nervous feet.
Nassib isn't doing that.
I hope this changes in the regular season because Eli and Odell need to carry this team.
Eli's decision - even in a meaningless preseason game - is indefensible. It was the type of play you expect a third-string QB to make.
and he's going to make about 10-15 of then during the year.... much like 32 other QBs in the league.
If you harp on every bad throw, bad decision, missed tackle, blown assignment, etc.... your going to lose passion for the sport you love. don't drive yourself crazy, especially over a game that doesn't count.
I'm with FatMan. Eli (and the offense) has looked pretty much like this every preseason of his career. That holds for last year, as pointed out, when people here were actually questioning whether or not Nassib should start. What was the result? One of his 2 or 3 best seasons as a pro.
And, yes, Dallas very well may drop 45 on us. But, we may also drop 45 on them. Eli and OBJ will have to carry this team, as you say. But, those are 2 guys I am not very worried about, regardless how the preseason has gone.
point that Eric makes is $10' million for Thomas an $17 million for Harris. These are the kinds of moves losing organizations make. Poor allocation of resources you can't make in today's NFL. I also feel a house cleaning coming. More to change the culture and atmosphere than anything else. There are.a lot of building blocks when you stop and think about it but here is a malaise hanging over this team that only a major shakeup can change
This coaching staff is going to be fired in January.
It should be up to the new head coach to decide who his QB should be.
If he wants Eli, extend him then.
If he doesn't, Franchise him and trade him. I'm sure they would get a decent haul for him if he has a good year. If he has a bad year, then we should be glad we didn't extend him.
The right play with Eli is NOT to extend him. If we end up with a new coaching staff next year they should be able to decide who takes the snaps Eli or a high draft pick.
would be for the Giants to get Eli, so we can suck even more next year.... and see how wonderful this board is.
We are worrying about fucking preseason games.
It's not really just pre-season games. It's been the last few seasons, really.
The point that our fearless leader seems to be forgetting. If we have these amount of injuries..... it doestn matter if Eli is the MVP of the league, we are still going to be very bad. All I am trying to do is show that Eli usually sucks in the preseason, and bounces back just fine.
how many players on the giants defense would see snaps on the jets defense?
[quote] LOL...defenders not getting off of blocks has nothing to do with scheme. [/quote
I know Eric but you could watch every preseason game in the nfl and you'll see heavy examples of defenders not getting off blocks etc etc. You may end up being right but I think it's worth giving it some time. I'd like to think that with Ayers, Odigizuwa , Moore and Kennard we can get some pressure on the QB. And if JPP shows up and gets into football shape ..... He could help in 4-6 weeks.
how many players on the giants defense would see snaps on the jets defense?
I just don't think you can go on much in the preseason - that's just my opinion.
Eric, there is a good chance Dallas does drops 45, and maybe you end up being right for the season, usually you are. But I still don't feel this doom and gloom with this franchise, even if we suffer this year. This Giant organization does more good things then bad running this football team. We are having bad luck through our transition period, I get that, but the worm will turn and I believe Eli is a part of that success, even if it is in 2016, 2017 or 2018.
So nothing will change. Awesome.
[quote] You might feel differently when Dallas puts 45 points up on these guys in two weeks. [/quote
I would certainly feel differently
Gaining strength by whom the mouthbreathers on BBI?
Unfortunately Eric after reading what you wrote about Eli I really would advise you take a break from posting for awhile...
LOL Nassib...holy shit this place has really jumped the shark..
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Unfortunately is gaining strength on that side of thinking.
Gaining strength by whom the mouthbreathers on BBI?
Unfortunately Eric after reading what you wrote about Eli I really would advise you take a break from posting for awhile...
LOL Nassib...holy shit this place has really jumped the shark..
lol i guess you just called eric a mouthbreather then
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I just pray they find some way to avoid yet another 0-2 start. It's just too big a hole for a team like the Giants to overcome - and for the fans, the season is over before it even starts.
Eli never has a good or sharp preseason. If hew were a rookie, I might expect that kind of review, but after seeing him for years and still making those comments.
As a former poster used to say. Wow. Just Wow.
The offense barring injuries will be good. If the defense can come together this team should be in the hunt.
so last week we played without richburg, half gimp schwartz and randle, no cruz, no beason, no JPP, no beatty, no ayers, no behre.... and we are shocked we look out of sync?
our top wrs gave barely practiced at full speed. our oline has been shuffled around. defense lacks talent to begin with and has a list of guys at the infirmary.
we haven't looked good? No shit. means nothing. because if these guys don't come back, we aren't going to be good anyways.
Eli's decision - even in a meaningless preseason game - is indefensible. It was the type of play you expect a third-string QB to make.
Nassib isn't doing that.
I hope this changes in the regular season because Eli and Odell need to carry this team.
All I said is make Eli earn his next contract.
They won't do that regardless. But it's a huge risk in my eyes.
Eli's decision - even in a meaningless preseason game - is indefensible. It was the type of play you expect a third-string QB to make.
and he's going to make about 10-15 of then during the year.... much like 32 other QBs in the league.
If you harp on every bad throw, bad decision, missed tackle, blown assignment, etc.... your going to lose passion for the sport you love. don't drive yourself crazy, especially over a game that doesn't count.
All I said is make Eli earn his next contract.
They won't do that regardless. But it's a huge risk in my eyes.
So what he did last year is trumped by preseason games? csnt say I agree.
And, yes, Dallas very well may drop 45 on us. But, we may also drop 45 on them. Eli and OBJ will have to carry this team, as you say. But, those are 2 guys I am not very worried about, regardless how the preseason has gone.
It's been a long time since we've seen 4th quarter heroics from Eli.
2011 is a long time ago now.
He is being paid to win games, not miss wide open WR's and throw pick 6's.
Would Eli command a 1st round pick in a trade? No way right?
Do u pay 20 million plus for a guy who can't?
He is being paid to win games, not miss wide open WR's and throw pick 6's.
classy post from the guy that runs the site. I am sure your sun would be proud of that post.
It should be up to the new head coach to decide who his QB should be.
If he wants Eli, extend him then.
If he doesn't, Franchise him and trade him. I'm sure they would get a decent haul for him if he has a good year. If he has a bad year, then we should be glad we didn't extend him.
We are worrying about fucking preseason games.
We are worrying about fucking preseason games.
It's not really just pre-season games. It's been the last few seasons, really.
48% completion percentage
1 TD, 0 INTs
2012:
60%
1 TD, 1 INT
2011:
49% completion percentage
0 TDs, 2 INTs
2010:
57% completion percentage
1 TD, 1 INT
So in other words..... Eli is the least of our worries.
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would be for the Giants to get Eli, so we can suck even more next year.... and see how wonderful this board is.
We are worrying about fucking preseason games.
It's not really just pre-season games. It's been the last few seasons, really.
The point that our fearless leader seems to be forgetting. If we have these amount of injuries..... it doestn matter if Eli is the MVP of the league, we are still going to be very bad. All I am trying to do is show that Eli usually sucks in the preseason, and bounces back just fine.