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NFT: Iowa Polls - Trump, Carson, Sanders doing well

Ira : 8/31/2015 7:14 am
These polls were conducted by Bloomberg and the Des Moines Register. The Republican poll shows Trump leading at 23% followed by a surprising showing by Carson at 18%. All the rest have single digits.

In the Democratic poll, Hillary still leads with 37% with Sanders getting close with 30% and the unannounced Biden at 14%.
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RE: I dont know that I side with Hillary  
njm : 9/2/2015 1:59 pm : link
In comment 12449033 Deej said:
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I wish some of the Dem governors were running, but they decided not to so far.


Not just governors. Although he's a former governor, if it was Joe Manchin vs. Trump I vote Manchin.
I would vote for John Kerry  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 2:05 pm : link
much stronger candidate than in '04
Manchin  
Deej : 9/2/2015 2:11 pm : link
probably too far to the right for the party and I dont know enough about him beyond that. His enviro/energy record would probably render any candidacy DOA.

Environmental concerns tend not to drive dem party voting. However, a died in the wool coal/crude guy may struggle going forward. Take me for example -- I've NEVER thought much about environmental stuff. But I'm increasingly starting to believe that is is a massive issue we need to look at ASAP. The warnings from scientists are just too dire. Moreover, a healthy subset of the dem side money (particularly left coast $$) is more focused on environmental stuff. One guy, Tom Steyer, is handing out millions to try to stop Keystone (which seems to me like the wrong fight).
RE: I would vote for John Kerry  
njm : 9/2/2015 2:15 pm : link
In comment 12449056 Headhunter said:
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much stronger candidate than in '04


I would never vote for the person who "negotiated" that cluster fuck of a deal.
RE: RE: I would vote for John Kerry  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12449075 njm said:
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much stronger candidate than in '04



I would never vote for the person who "negotiated" that cluster fuck of a deal.


You really think he's a stronger candidate HH? I don't mean it sarcastically, but he retains most of the negatives he used to have and adds in his term as Secretary of State where he had the misfortune to be in office when a number of bad things happened. Rightly or wrongly they will be imputed at least in part to him.
He's not running so it is moot  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 2:22 pm : link
He almost won in 2004, I think he is 11 years more experienced and Swift Boating wouldnt work. Like I said it is moot
I'll say this  
Deej : 9/2/2015 2:43 pm : link
I'd vote Bloomberg over Hillary. The guy is just ultra competent. I dont like his meddling e.g. anti-driving, soda regulations, and stuff like that would really hurt him, but he was a really good mayor. Had the right disposition to lead.

I've heard great things about Hickenlooper (CO) but I dont know a lot about him. And part of me thinks Cuomo (NY) could do a decent job, even though he's not my kind of candidate (I just think he's dumb). Tom Wolf (PA) is a guy I dont know a lot about but he gets some buzz.

I do think there is something to the notion of having someone who actually ran a real, non-political business in charge. Bloomberg was a good mayor because of the nitty gritty stuff -- like getting lots sold and back on the tax roll. Wolf was a business owner too, before selling to a PE firm.
Bloomberg  
Deej : 9/2/2015 2:44 pm : link
obviously his stance on guns would be, ahem, controversial. I think his NRA grade is Ø´. Maybe Ù‚-minus
RE: I'll say this  
feelflows : 9/2/2015 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12449151 Deej said:
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Wolf was a business owner too, before selling to a PE firm.


Wolf has been a mixed bag so far. His biggest knock here so far has been his lack of support for local businesses and no strong plan to build the PA economy through local business.

re: wolf  
feelflows : 9/2/2015 2:52 pm : link
"Andrew Lewis, partner of Tradesman Drywall in Lower Paxton Twp., said Gov. Tom Wolf's proposed increases in sales and income taxes will put a burden on the state's businesses and consumers. The taxes will drive commerce away and make Pennsylvania less competitive with other states, he said.

"Do not balance the budget on the backs of small businesses," Lewis said. "That is all we're asking."

Wolf's spending plan features an increase in the state's personal income tax from 3.07 percent to 3.7 percent, an increase in sales tax from 6 percent to 6.6 percent and more than $3 billion in property tax relief. The governor vetoed a Republican-passed no-tax-increase budget on the June 30 deadline, and broad-based tax hikes have been the center of negotiations with the governor since then."

http://www.pennlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/business_leaders.html

Wolf is all about taxing the "rich", but small local businesses should not be part of that.

Same thing nationally. The more you tax businesses (small or larger), the less likely they are to thrive in the economy or hire more employees. It's counter productive to what your original purpose is.

It's almost like they raise taxes to fund the unemployed that are unemployed BECAUSE they raised taxes.
RE: I'll say this  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2015 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12449151 Deej said:
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I'd vote Bloomberg over Hillary. The guy is just ultra competent. I dont like his meddling e.g. anti-driving, soda regulations, and stuff like that would really hurt him, but he was a really good mayor. Had the right disposition to lead.

I've heard great things about Hickenlooper (CO) but I dont know a lot about him. And part of me thinks Cuomo (NY) could do a decent job, even though he's not my kind of candidate (I just think he's dumb). Tom Wolf (PA) is a guy I dont know a lot about but he gets some buzz.

I do think there is something to the notion of having someone who actually ran a real, non-political business in charge. Bloomberg was a good mayor because of the nitty gritty stuff -- like getting lots sold and back on the tax roll. Wolf was a business owner too, before selling to a PE firm.


There are a few things I don't particularly like about Hickenlooper but he wouldn't be a terrible candidate. Not sure if he's ready for prime time but you never know. And if the Republican nominee was Donald Trump I'd pull the lever for Hickenlooper in a heartbeat. Wolf's CV as a politician is pretty light but his resume prior to politics is relatively impressive. Same deal. If the Republican candidate is shitty enough I would contemplate. Cuomo I don't care for, less for his ideology than because he comes across as a prick.
RE: I'll say this  
njm : 9/2/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12449151 Deej said:
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I'd vote Bloomberg over Hillary. The guy is just ultra competent.


Hell, so would I. He was the best administrator in the NYC Mayor's position in my lifetime. And the city was lucky to have him and Giuliani in the order they served. If only Bloomberg could get over his nanny state obsessions.
RE: re: wolf  
njm : 9/2/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12449186 feelflows said:
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Wolf's spending plan features an increase in the state's personal income tax from 3.07 percent to 3.7 percent, an increase in sales tax from 6 percent to 6.6 percent.


Sorry, I don't feel your pain. Any New Jersey resident who makes more than 40k (single) or 80k (married/Joint) is in a higher tax bracket (although the rate on the first 20k is zero). And Christie gets constantly vilified for vetoing legislation to take the rates even higher. On top of that, we pay a 7% sales tax.
RE: re: wolf  
Deej : 9/2/2015 3:35 pm : link
In comment 12449186 feelflows said:
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Same thing nationally. The more you tax businesses (small or larger), the less likely they are to thrive in the economy or hire more employees. It's counter productive to what your original purpose is.

It's almost like they raise taxes to fund the unemployed that are unemployed BECAUSE they raised taxes.


This is actually debatable. Small movements in income/profit related taxes probably have no practical impact on decisions to expand etc. Much more relevant is stuff like having to cover payroll tax and health insurance for a new employee on top of wages.

But putting tax issues aside (Im unimpressed by pols who push tax cuts without paying for them). There is just a mindboggling amount of regulation applicable to businesses. But regulated and unregulated businesses. Indeed, established firms now use it as a weapon; regulation has become a huge barrier to entry. No one talks about it seriously, but I'd like to see someone hatchet down the regs.
RE: RE: I'll say this  
Deej : 9/2/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12449267 njm said:
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I'd vote Bloomberg over Hillary. The guy is just ultra competent.



Hell, so would I. He was the best administrator in the NYC Mayor's position in my lifetime. And the city was lucky to have him and Giuliani in the order they served. If only Bloomberg could get over his nanny state obsessions.


I dont think you saying that you'd vote for someone over Hillary is a terribly useful datapoint.

Giuliani got a lot of credit for shit that he wasnt responsible for. Crime was down everywhere; Rudy didnt take the lead out of gasoline. And he didnt cause the Clinton era economic boom, which in particular enriched NY b/c of the bank/legal work. He was a walking, talking piece of shit. Though he performed very well on/after Sept. 11.
RE: RE: RE: I'll say this  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2015 4:02 pm : link
In comment 12449305 Deej said:
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I'd vote Bloomberg over Hillary. The guy is just ultra competent.



Hell, so would I. He was the best administrator in the NYC Mayor's position in my lifetime. And the city was lucky to have him and Giuliani in the order they served. If only Bloomberg could get over his nanny state obsessions.



I dont think you saying that you'd vote for someone over Hillary is a terribly useful datapoint.

Giuliani got a lot of credit for shit that he wasnt responsible for. Crime was down everywhere; Rudy didnt take the lead out of gasoline. And he didnt cause the Clinton era economic boom, which in particular enriched NY b/c of the bank/legal work. He was a walking, talking piece of shit. Though he performed very well on/after Sept. 11.


C'mon, NYC under Guiliani undoubtedly benefited from a national decline in crime but the difference between the city at the beginning of his tenure and at the end was huge, and other cities in the Northeast saw little or no comparable improvements (and in some cases actually declined).
RE: RE: RE: I'll say this  
njm : 9/2/2015 4:12 pm : link
In comment 12449305 Deej said:
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I'd vote Bloomberg over Hillary. The guy is just ultra competent.



Hell, so would I. He was the best administrator in the NYC Mayor's position in my lifetime. And the city was lucky to have him and Giuliani in the order they served. If only Bloomberg could get over his nanny state obsessions.



I dont think you saying that you'd vote for someone over Hillary is a terribly useful datapoint.

Giuliani got a lot of credit for shit that he wasnt responsible for. Crime was down everywhere; Rudy didnt take the lead out of gasoline. And he didnt cause the Clinton era economic boom, which in particular enriched NY b/c of the bank/legal work. He was a walking, talking piece of shit. Though he performed very well on/after Sept. 11.


Yes there was a national trend. But having worked in the city during Koch, Dinkins and Giuliani administrations I can tell you with certainty that he made a difference. All you had to do is walk from the PA Bus Terminal to the Flatiron District on a daily basis and drive a car around the city during that time to know that it was a lot more than a national trend.
RE: RE: RE: I would vote for John Kerry  
section125 : 9/2/2015 4:21 pm : link
In comment 12449078 Dunedin81 said:
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much stronger candidate than in '04



I would never vote for the person who "negotiated" that cluster fuck of a deal.



You really think he's a stronger candidate HH? I don't mean it sarcastically, but he retains most of the negatives he used to have and adds in his term as Secretary of State where he had the misfortune to be in office when a number of bad things happened. Rightly or wrongly they will be imputed at least in part to him.


I wouldn't want either one, but heck yeah John Kerry over Hillary. Almost zero baggage, trustworthy (as far a politician can be), and I think a decent man.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'll say this  
section125 : 9/2/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12449347 njm said:
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In comment 12449151 Deej said:


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I'd vote Bloomberg over Hillary. The guy is just ultra competent.



Hell, so would I. He was the best administrator in the NYC Mayor's position in my lifetime. And the city was lucky to have him and Giuliani in the order they served. If only Bloomberg could get over his nanny state obsessions.



I dont think you saying that you'd vote for someone over Hillary is a terribly useful datapoint.

Giuliani got a lot of credit for shit that he wasnt responsible for. Crime was down everywhere; Rudy didnt take the lead out of gasoline. And he didnt cause the Clinton era economic boom, which in particular enriched NY b/c of the bank/legal work. He was a walking, talking piece of shit. Though he performed very well on/after Sept. 11.



Yes there was a national trend. But having worked in the city during Koch, Dinkins and Giuliani administrations I can tell you with certainty that he made a difference. All you had to do is walk from the PA Bus Terminal to the Flatiron District on a daily basis and drive a car around the city during that time to know that it was a lot more than a national trend.


Talk about revisionist history, holy denial Batman. Giuliani didn't clean up NYC? Giuliani started the trend (with help from a good economy).
The drop in crime actually started  
Deej : 9/2/2015 4:28 pm : link
3 years before Rudy took office. Moreover, there is literally no evidence that a drop like NYC and most major cities saw could even be mostly driven by policing. Policing just isnt that effective, period. Not to mention no evidence that the NYC tactics are particularly effective (insufficent data is the problem there). I believe SF actually saw they best statistical improvement in violent crime rates in the 1990s.

The city was undoubtedly safer and cleaner after Rudy. New York's comparative improvements were better than most every other city. New York also had more room to improve and had economic advantages other cities lacked. It's easy to say that because it happened on his watch, he's responsible for it. I think that the swing in crime rates nationwide over that period makes it too hard to credit his efforts. It was literally a night and day change.
RE: The drop in crime actually started  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2015 4:33 pm : link
In comment 12449371 Deej said:
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3 years before Rudy took office. Moreover, there is literally no evidence that a drop like NYC and most major cities saw could even be mostly driven by policing. Policing just isnt that effective, period. Not to mention no evidence that the NYC tactics are particularly effective (insufficent data is the problem there). I believe SF actually saw they best statistical improvement in violent crime rates in the 1990s.

The city was undoubtedly safer and cleaner after Rudy. New York's comparative improvements were better than most every other city. New York also had more room to improve and had economic advantages other cities lacked. It's easy to say that because it happened on his watch, he's responsible for it. I think that the swing in crime rates nationwide over that period makes it too hard to credit his efforts. It was literally a night and day change.


Economists and social scientists love to crap on Rudy's record, but did Philly, did Baltimore, did the major cities in New Jersey (presumably bearing comparable advantages to the Big Apple) see comparable improvements in quality of life in the same timeframe? And individual neighborhoods were turned around by concerted action on the City's part. I'm not an unequivocal fan, I draw the line between liberty and security quite differently than does Rudy, but I won't deny him his achievement.
Every city faced different challenges  
Deej : 9/2/2015 4:40 pm : link
I'd argue that Philly, Balt etc lacked a lot of New York's economic advantages. Moreover, there was just a massive late century crime spike. There are theories about why it came about (were drugs a cause or a symptom? was it lead in the gasoline?). Since we're not even sure why it happened, it's tough to pin down exactly why it went away. But it was so unbelievably anomalous that I have a hard time saying that NY's 56% decline is markedly better than some other city's 35% decline (#s made up). I get how someone might think that's bullshit and give Rudy his due.
Meanwhile in RCP today, sports fans...  
manh george : 9/2/2015 5:01 pm : link
article # 3 at 5:00:

Immigration Issue Can Ensure Dem Dominance - Michael Kazin, Politico

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/how-trump-can-ensure-democratic-dominance-for-generations-213102

Article #4:
The Dems' Illegal Immigration Problem - Noah Rothman, Commentary

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/09/01/the-left-is-not-serious-about-border-enforcement/

Just wild.
can someone on the right  
Deej : 9/2/2015 5:25 pm : link
read that 2nd piece MG linked to and identify the people on the left it identifies as "not serious" about border enforcement? There is a link to a huffpo video where an NBC "contributor" says that among latinos, Christie's Fedex quote was "dehumanizing", and some lawyer/activist also using that term on the same video chat. And then it quotes a Reuters as saying "Some say the federal government could address the problem by sending visa holders text messages when their stay is ending and by recording their departures from all ports and border crossings." Literally no indication of who the "some" could possibly be.

That's the whole evidence for the weak-kneed lefties on immigration, in a piece titled "The Left Is Not Serious About Border Enforcement". What a fucking joke.
The reason why Wolf won  
dep026 : 9/2/2015 5:28 pm : link
the PA governorship is because Corbett was so fucking inept, a dog could have ran and won.

Its way too early to judge Wolf on his job, but I have been very meh about what he has done and wants to do.
Deej  
manh george : 9/2/2015 6:16 pm : link
It is important to note that Commentary is one of the best in the business at putting a patina of analysis on a highly partisan position. They have very smart writers, but in many cases no conscience. (Except my friend Josh.)
I should say  
Deej : 9/2/2015 6:17 pm : link
the buzz I've heard on Wolf is very rudimentary. Governor of a big swingy (not really) state with business experience. Not a ton. There is no nascent draft Wolf campaign that I've heard of.

That actually may be the most shocking thing on the Dem side. Other than early Warren talk (blech), there has been no Draft XXX talk that I've heard of. I guess Biden, but that's not really a movement. It's just Biden (also blech).
RE: The reason why Wolf won  
feelflows : 9/2/2015 6:19 pm : link
In comment 12449517 dep026 said:
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the PA governorship is because Corbett was so fucking inept, a dog could have ran and won.

Its way too early to judge Wolf on his job, but I have been very meh about what he has done and wants to do.


I don't think he can do what he wants (which is very progressive ) with the current lineup in Harrisburg. Not without the current representation being elected out.
As much as most of the Republican pres candidates suck (imo)...  
manh george : 9/2/2015 6:23 pm : link
the Democrats have no bench. Losing so many governorships and senatorial races kinda stripped them bare. This is one place the Republicans have an advantage going forward: young talent--so long as their views don't list too far to the right (which many of them will).

Tom Cotten of La. is a great example. He's 38, bright, articulate and just to the left of Atilla the Hun.
mg  
Deej : 9/2/2015 6:37 pm : link
I think the concept of a deep or not deep bench is way overrated. There are so many variables at play in what makes someone a good or bad candidate. I'll take 2-3 good candidates over 15 ok ones. I'll take 4-5 good over 12 good; choice overload.

This was supposed to be the year where the GOP had all these candidates in reserve. Hasnt panned out so far, and non-benchers like Trump and Carson are garnering half the support.

What's interesting is that Hillary cleared the field so hard, so early, that there was never even a discussion of the dem bench.
No worry Deej. Warren isn't running  
Watson : 9/2/2015 6:44 pm : link

Warren has repeatedly said she’s not running for president in 2016 and in August, disavowed Ready for Warren via her lawyer. “This letter serves as a formal disavowal of the organization and its activity,” Warren’s attorney wrote to the Federal Election Commission. “The Senator has not, and does not, explicitly or implicitly, authorize, endorse, or otherwise approve of the organization’s activities.”

When asked about the group that month, Lacey Rose, the senator’s press secretary, said only, “Senator Warren does not support this effort.”
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Tom Cotton  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 6:58 pm : link
is from Arkansas . He wrote the letter to the Ayatollah that 41 Sentors signed. He was in front of the cameras before the ink was dry ripping the deal.
I'm beginning  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2015 7:05 pm : link
to wonder if too many people are underestimating Ben Carson's appeal.

Especially if Trump vs. Bush spins out of control; Carson will look like the voice of calm and reason.
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Regarding the Clinton e-mails  
EricJ : 9/2/2015 8:24 pm : link
she says that the e-mails in question were not "marked" classified at that time.

The real point here is that every email she is receiving is going through that unsafe server. So, if and when a classified e-mail is sent to her, it IS going to that server.

She said she was using just one e-mail, so where did the classified e-mails get sent to? Is someone going to tell me that in her position as Secretary, she never sent or received a classified e-mail? Really?
RE: Regarding the Clinton e-mails  
Deej : 9/2/2015 8:43 pm : link
In comment 12449859 EricJ said:
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she says that the e-mails in question were not "marked" classified at that time.

The real point here is that every email she is receiving is going through that unsafe server. So, if and when a classified e-mail is sent to her, it IS going to that server.

She said she was using just one e-mail, so where did the classified e-mails get sent to? Is someone going to tell me that in her position as Secretary, she never sent or received a classified e-mail? Really?


Except marked classified info isnt emailed. There is a seperate system
RE: Regarding the Clinton e-mails  
Deej : 9/2/2015 8:44 pm : link
In comment 12449859 EricJ said:
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she says that the e-mails in question were not "marked" classified at that time.

The real point here is that every email she is receiving is going through that unsafe server. So, if and when a classified e-mail is sent to her, it IS going to that server.

She said she was using just one e-mail, so where did the classified e-mails get sent to? Is someone going to tell me that in her position as Secretary, she never sent or received a classified e-mail? Really?


Except marked classified info isnt emailed. There is a separate system for transmission of classified material.
Ben Carson is a crazy person  
Deej : 9/2/2015 8:49 pm : link
Like Glenn Beck crazy, except Glenn Beck called him a "lunatic". His odd statements arent hyperbole. He speaks in the dogwhistle terms of the Beck corners of the universe. Why name check "the Alinsky Model" at the debate? Because he's a nutjob.
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One of Hillary's State Department staffers...  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2015 9:30 pm : link
is going to plead the Fifth. I'm going to resist channeling Eric on this one and just introduce it without comment.
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RE: Tom Cotton  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2015 9:31 pm : link
In comment 12449652 Headhunter said:
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is from Arkansas . He wrote the letter to the Ayatollah that 41 Sentors signed. He was in front of the cameras before the ink was dry ripping the deal.


And because Cotton served in OIF I have a great deal more sympathy for his anti-Iranian animus than I do for random right winger mugging for the camera.
RE: One of Hillary's State Department staffers...  
Deej : 9/2/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12449969 Dunedin81 said:
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is going to plead the Fifth. I'm going to resist channeling Eric on this one and just introduce it without comment. Link - ( New Window )


I'd do it if I was wrapped up in this, whether I knew anything or not. Not good optically for HRC though.
Tom Cotton's security/foreign policy  
Deej : 9/2/2015 9:50 pm : link
is just Cheney on steroids. Am I wrong?
RE: RE: Regarding the Clinton e-mails  
Watson : 9/2/2015 9:55 pm : link
In comment 12449894 Deej said:
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she says that the e-mails in question were not "marked" classified at that time.

The real point here is that every email she is receiving is going through that unsafe server. So, if and when a classified e-mail is sent to her, it IS going to that server.

She said she was using just one e-mail, so where did the classified e-mails get sent to? Is someone going to tell me that in her position as Secretary, she never sent or received a classified e-mail? Really?



Except marked classified info isnt emailed. There is a separate system for transmission of classified material.



Eric posted yesterday at 3:29; short explanation of two systems. Classified info can only be transmitted via secured server and network. Wish I could give better explanation, but actual details are classified :)

However, one of the emails released from Jake Sullivan to HRC may clear this up for you. HRC wanted a transcript of a public statement made by Tony Blair. Since public not secret. However in error it was archived on the secured server. Sullivan advised couldn't send until corrected; no physically way to email.

RE: Tom Cotton's security/foreign policy  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2015 10:02 pm : link
In comment 12450000 Deej said:
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is just Cheney on steroids. Am I wrong?


He is hawkish but the bulk of his foreign policy stuff people have found objectionable has been specific to Iran.
the other  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2015 10:22 pm : link
guy looking good in this Trump versus Bush situation is Kasich.

Deej  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2015 10:24 pm : link
she was getting classified e-mail on her system. That's not even open to debate anymore. Aside from the original IG e-mails, there were another 125 released this week that were redacted (some in their entirety).

Again, it doesn't matter if the info was marked classified or not (and the IG ones still has classified sub-markings).

Interestingly what came out this week is the British knew her system was compromised.
RE: One of Hillary's State Department staffers...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2015 10:26 pm : link
In comment 12449969 Dunedin81 said:
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Problem is that won't matter to the FBI if they take this seriously. Some State Department employees had better start looking out for themselves or they are going to jail.
Hillary  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2015 10:30 pm : link
was NOT using a secure USG system. That's why she is in trouble.

Again, given the very nature of her position, almost all intergovernmental and intragovernmental correspondence would have been considered classified (whether marked or unmarked).

She simply could not have done her job otherwise.

This whole debate has become downright silly. She broke the law. Why do you think she and her staff have destroyed the evidence (servers and blackberries)?

Guiliani said he has found 12 federal statutes that she has APPEARED (his word) to have violated.
RE: RE: Tom Cotton's security/foreign policy  
Deej : 9/2/2015 10:31 pm : link
In comment 12450014 Dunedin81 said:
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is just Cheney on steroids. Am I wrong?



He is hawkish but the bulk of his foreign policy stuff people have found objectionable has been specific to Iran.


It goes well beyond that. He has expressed positioned himself as Bush's heir on foreign policy. With McCain's hair-trigger impulse to use force.

Cant say I've read a ton about him though.
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RE: RE: Regarding the Clinton e-mails  
Bill L : 9/2/2015 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12449891 Deej said:
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she says that the e-mails in question were not "marked" classified at that time.

The real point here is that every email she is receiving is going through that unsafe server. So, if and when a classified e-mail is sent to her, it IS going to that server.

She said she was using just one e-mail, so where did the classified e-mails get sent to? Is someone going to tell me that in her position as Secretary, she never sent or received a classified e-mail? Really?



Except marked classified info isnt emailed. There is a seperate system
even if we get away from parsing English, according to that link, at least 6 emails that she sent from that account were redacted completely because the information, if got it, would be substantially harmful to national security. Can you honestly, deep down honest, say that she was acting responsibly and putting a priority on the country's interest?
Eric  
Deej : 9/2/2015 10:41 pm : link
she was getting emails that would be marked as classified 5 years later. You can say it doesnt matter. I dont believe that legally you are right (and in fact, my legal training tells me that there are constitutional ex post facto problems with such an approach). You can say that you cant do USG business on private email. I've shown you that you were wrong. So with due respect, I just dont buy what you're selling. I'll wait for the investigation to wrap up.
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