With soo many negatives, what are the positives

But overall this could be a very good draft class.

is going to be an absolute stud of a defensive lineman. he reminds me of tuck a lot. Good DE and he can move inside and play DT just as well

on that note I always wished the Giants just moved Tuck to DT and kept him around.

If you've watched other teams in the pre-season, there's a lot of poorly played football.

Also, the Giants play ten games against teams with 8 or less wins lat year. Eight against teams with a below .500 record.

There's a lot of mediocre football right now. Eli and Odell may be able to turn the offense into an elite unit, which could be enough to be competitive.

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In comment 12444203 Big Blue '56 said:

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TC and Reese Eli, Jennings, Vereen OBJ, Cruz, Randle, Jones Richburg, Flowers, Pugh, Schwartz Hyno Odi, Moore, Ellis, Selvie, Ayers, Bromley, Hankins JT Thomas, Kennard, Beason DRC, Prince, Collins Weatherford, DeOssie, Brown, Harris Not too bad of a foundation..I'm sure I left off someone(s)

I count 5 walking wounded out of this bunch, 1 who has yet to play a live snap, and another who anchors a very important defensive position that can in no way shape or form be counted on ...

I left out Wynn..Sheesh

In comment 12444213 Hem Roid said:

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In comment 12444203 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: TC and Reese Eli, Jennings, Vereen OBJ, Cruz, Randle, Jones Richburg, Flowers, Pugh, Schwartz Hyno Odi, Moore, Ellis, Selvie, Ayers, Bromley, Hankins JT Thomas, Kennard, Beason DRC, Prince, Collins Weatherford, DeOssie, Brown, Harris Not too bad of a foundation..I'm sure I left off someone(s) I count 5 walking wounded out of this bunch, 1 who has yet to play a live snap, and another who anchors a very important defensive position that can in no way shape or form be counted on ...

As you will(counting walking wounded) for every team in the NFL

In comment 12444203 Big Blue '56 said:

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TC and Reese Eli, Jennings, Vereen OBJ, Cruz, Randle, Jones Richburg, Flowers, Pugh, Schwartz Hyno Odi, Moore, Ellis, Selvie, Ayers, Bromley, Hankins JT Thomas, Kennard, Beason DRC, Prince, Collins Weatherford, DeOssie, Brown, Harris Not too bad of a foundation..I'm sure I left off someone(s)

Lol. A lot of those guys aren't even starting caliber players, let alone foundational talents.

And as for Reese, are you pleased with how he's wasted Eli's prime with a shit OL year after year?

your posts for sure, EF being the outstanding positive development. Too early to know about Collins, but Odi looks real.

I will say a silver lining about VC's calf is that it gives him more time to rehab and get stronger after the surgery, even if it delays practice and game reps.

And another: I hope we see more and more of Cunningham: maybe this means the end of the Robinson experiment and TE by committee experiment. Donnell seems more situational guy, because his blocking still is an adventure from suckingdom.

The d as a whole looks like a very black hole.

In comment 12444203 Big Blue '56 said:

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TC and Reese Eli, Jennings, Vereen OBJ, Cruz, Randle, Jones Richburg, Flowers, Pugh, Schwartz Hyno Odi, Moore, Ellis, Selvie, Ayers, Bromley, Hankins JT Thomas, Kennard, Beason DRC, Prince, Collins Weatherford, DeOssie, Brown, Harris Not too bad of a foundation..I'm sure I left off someone(s)

Not quite sure how Cruz is a positive. He hasn't practiced since August 19th and won't this week. In typical Giants fashion, a day to day injury will take weeks.

Collins would have been if he didn't miss a week, but as I said earlier, it's nice to see that we actually have a player with some recuperative power.

Cruz playing a lot this year

Your list is quite a reach

Beason hurt so fast is a positive?

Randle a positive? What has he done this preseason besides dress for the games. He probably fucked that up too

Richburg. He hasn't done much this preseason to say he's been a bright spot

Selvie and Ellis? Combined they have almost done something

I think you need to add Cooper Taylor to your list

They need to get past the learning curve, and need some unknowns to step up and contribute. I'd warned before this season they'd need one more offseason to infuse the defense with talent, and changing the season would require some patience.

Some of the defense looking so bad is they've got Jenkins starting at DE due to injuries, that's one example of being shorthanded, and it appears the safeties are struggling with the learning curve. Collins looks the part though, he's a presence back there.

OL is growing, their plan there is working. Get Eli comfortable and the offense will do its part. Right now it's vanilla back there with very little gameplanning, even against NYJ.

Taylor, Donnell, Wynn..Sorry, I knew I left some off..

Tuckrule:

The OP asked for positives..The implication is that the "walking wounded" will be ready to go..Beason? If he's hurt again, he's off the list..I'm simply projecting moving forward..There are far more positives potentially than negatives on this team, imo..

As I've said, I pay little attention to pre-season as indicators of anything..It's about shuffling in 90 players, playing with limited practices and not enough time in-game to get enough reps for the starters..

Some teams look great in pre-season, others look like shit..We've seen this dance play out each and every year

In comment 12444190 That’s Gold, Jerry said:

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let's talk on Sept 14.

id be willing to be my life against this ... Ask TC or Spags or even our brainless GM if preseason means nothing ...

with some of the characters that are doom and gloom and posting the same shit everyday.. we get it, the giants suck

unfortunately didn't show up in the score sheet

to start the year in Spags' first season in 2007. Then it got straightened out and the rest is history. Maybe the defense will come around. That's all I've got.

to start 07 and 11 posters here were saying this team was going to suck and that they were not going anywhere...

Pretty sure in 11 there were posters that said they hoped the team didnt make the playoffs because they were just going to lose first round...


Now i am not saying this team is going to the playoffs or going to win the superbowl, all i am saying is you never know what a team is going to be based on preseason...

I understand why people don't want to read we're going to be terrible day after day. But when you have people posting lists of "foundational players" where about half of them wouldn't even make the roster of 25 teams it's hard to keep quiet.

narrative that OBJ somehow undressed Revis is a joke. He had five inconsequential catches and really only had 4.

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In comment 12444305 Old Dirty Beckham said:

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narrative that OBJ somehow undressed Revis is a joke. He had five inconsequential catches and really only had 4.

He turned him around and beat him BADLY 3 times. The passes weren't there.

In comment 12444203 Big Blue '56 said:

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TC and Reese Eli, Jennings, Vereen OBJ, Cruz, Randle, Jones Richburg, Flowers, Pugh, Schwartz Hyno Odi, Moore, Ellis, Selvie, Ayers, Bromley, Hankins JT Thomas, Kennard, Beason DRC, Prince, Collins Weatherford, DeOssie, Brown, Harris Not too bad of a foundation..I'm sure I left off someone(s)

Kuhn? Jk!

In comment 12444313 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 12444305 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: narrative that OBJ somehow undressed Revis is a joke. He had five inconsequential catches and really only had 4. He turned him around and beat him BADLY 3 times. The passes weren't there.

Hey here's an idea. Lets forget about the Giant record this season and concentrate on how many one handed catches OBJ makes and how many times he undresses the oppositions secondary. Won't that be fun!!!

I'll bet you and if you lose you take your life on youtube

In comment 12444329 Johnny Boy said:

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In comment 12444313 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 12444305 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: narrative that OBJ somehow undressed Revis is a joke. He had five inconsequential catches and really only had 4. He turned him around and beat him BADLY 3 times. The passes weren't there. Hey here's an idea. Lets forget about the Giant record this season and concentrate on how many one handed catches OBJ makes and how many times he undresses the oppositions secondary. Won't that be fun!!!

That wasn't the question was it Old Dirty Bunghole. The question asked for a positive. Beckham played well. Nobody is suggesting that one player making a spectacular play in a game is an acceptable substitute for a loss you stupid fuck.

All have been positive and have been contributing (aka not injured).

The line as a whole looks serviceable, which is an improvement over last year. If the right side can stabilize, then perhaps they have a shot at being better then OK.

he is a troll who goes on every thread about either Beckham or the OL and says the Giants made a mistake passing on Martin and Beckham was not worth it...

In comment 12444257 Big Blue '56 said:

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Taylor, Donnell, Wynn..Sorry, I knew I left some off.. Tuckrule: The OP asked for positives..The implication is that the "walking wounded" will be ready to go..Beason? If he's hurt again, he's off the list..I'm simply projecting moving forward..There are far more positives potentially than negatives on this team, imo.. As I've said, I pay little attention to pre-season as indicators of anything..It's about shuffling in 90 players, playing with limited practices and not enough time in-game to get enough reps for the starters.. Some teams look great in pre-season, others look like shit..We've seen this dance play out each and every year

You left off La'El Collins......woops I meant that hidden treasure Brett Jones.

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he is a troll who goes on every thread about either Beckham or the OL and says the Giants made a mistake passing on Martin and Beckham was not worth it...

I know, I usually ignore the idiot too but that one just pissed me off.

and its young too. Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz- Beatty (eventually). 4 of those are recent top picks, if I count Beatty in 2012. If not you still have 3 top picks from the last three years. Say what you want about Reese and the Giants, but over the past 2-3 years they have done well by the offensive line.

In comment 12444395 PatersonPlank said:

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and its young too. Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz- Beatty (eventually). 4 of those are recent top picks, if I count Beatty in 2012. If not you still have 3 top picks from the last three years. Say what you want about Reese and the Giants, but over the past 2-3 years they have done well by the offensive line.

wow !

The running game will be much improved on account of him

OBJ looks primed for year 2

Williams looks to have improved patience

OO.

did not seem too bad.

and they didnt do to bad against a very very good front 7 in the Jets...

They have run the ball much better to the left rather than the right and they may be their biggest problem going into the season...

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That's a plus.

This. Flowers is the big, talented body this offensive line hasn't had since McKenzie.

some reason he reminds me of Jonathan Odgen, hopefully pans out to be.

We had one hell of a good draft this year.

Flowers looks solid - and is a bulldozer for the running game

Odighizuwa looks very good - non-stop motor and knows how to set the edge

Collins is still green, but has a great future

Jeremy Davis is showing promise as is Hart.

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Nassib looks sharp and can handle McAdoo's system giving us a little security in our backup QB position

Vereen looks like he is going to be Eli's best pal and will be to the Giants and Eli what Witten is to the Cowboys and Romo

JT Thomas looks like he'll do just fine for us

Dwayne Harris brings a lot of enthusiasm and hopefully changes our pathetic ST play

I've also been impressed with Trevin Wade as a back CB

I also like the play of Uani Unga and hopes he makes the team

So there's some positives. The negatives are all about injuries, Eli's hot and cold flashes, questions surrounding the safety position...IMO

have the #1 pick next year (;->

One guy injured and the other 5 look good to damned good.

In comment 12444329 Johnny Boy said:

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In comment 12444313 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 12444305 Old Dirty Beckham said: Quote: narrative that OBJ somehow undressed Revis is a joke. He had five inconsequential catches and really only had 4. He turned him around and beat him BADLY 3 times. The passes weren't there. Hey here's an idea. Lets forget about the Giant record this season and concentrate on how many one handed catches OBJ makes and how many times he undresses the oppositions secondary. Won't that be fun!!!

I owe Old Dirty Beckham an apology. My vitriol was completely and foolishly misplaced in my haste to reply.

So: That wasn't the question was it Johnny Boy. The question asked for a positive. Beckham played well. Nobody is suggesting that one player making a spectacular play in a game is an acceptable substitute for a loss you stupid fuck.

...have 10 fingers?

Also if your really negative on the Giants, be gratefull this isn't baseball where you can lose 100 games.

In comment 12444203 Big Blue '56 said:

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TC and Reese Eli, Jennings, Vereen OBJ, Cruz, Randle, Jones Richburg, Flowers, Pugh, Schwartz Hyno Odi, Moore, Ellis, Selvie, Ayers, Bromley, Hankins JT Thomas, Kennard, Beason DRC, Prince, Collins Weatherford, DeOssie, Brown, Harris Not too bad of a foundation..I'm sure I left off someone(s)

You know you're reaching when you name guys like Selvie, Thomas and DeOssie as positives.

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to have two pretty good punters and a good kicker.

It was the punters fault on the punt that got returned for a TD. You're not supposed to give a PR a full field to work with. The coverage needs to be way better as well but it starts with the punt.

Will play better. He has rarely done great in the pre season. The team has young pieces and should improve as the year goes on. Bromley looks good. Williams should be better than last year.

Eli and Coughlin. With those we have a franchise QB and coach who have proven they can win it all. Without either of those two things teams will go nowhere so we have that and have to hope that enough other things fall into place and some guys step up where needed and by playoff time they are gelling as a team. In todays NFL it really comes down to a team peaking at the right time. That is what we should be hoping for.