The qualifier is that if they really got ALOT more practice in together, perhaps. But now, with Cruz, Randle, half the 0-line; it doesn't matter if they regain their health tomorrow or not. The damage was done.
My stomach's already turning at the thought of Jerry Jones' shit-eating grin in the owner's box while his team drops 40 on us. The Dallas Super Bowl talk will begin in earnest, as will four months of "is Coughlin getting fired?" and "is Eli an elite QB?" debates.
we were not going to Beat Dallas in the opener, imo..We should be fine when we face them at home..
I would love to see an upset, but I don't see a win at all..This from a Kool-Aid guy
what did me in were the quotes this a.m. from Ayers and Cruz.
Ayers is our best pass rusher right now and Jordan Ranaan had him as his top player at camp. We have ZERO shot without him. And then throw Beason in there and Cruz on that list?
My stomach's already turning at the thought of Jerry Jones' shit-eating grin in the owner's box while his team drops 40 on us. The Dallas Super Bowl talk will begin in earnest, as will four months of "is Coughlin getting fired?" and "is Eli an elite QB?" debates.
Since it's a primetime game, I would guess the camera will show his luxury box no less than 25 times. Maybe that fat slob Chris Christie will be present.
i don't think we will but there is no one who is going to think we have a shot vs Dallas. Nobody. I'd like to think that is when we play best but that also feels very five years ago too...
that Romo and their offense are still working kinks out and are not yet fine tuned....like most teams this time of the year. Dallas defense doesn't scare me....its being able to contain their offense, which is close to impossible, without a healthy Beason, Ayers, JPP, etc.
The only thing I see as even a remote possibility of things unfolding into an unlikely win, is we CANNOT turn the ball over and we just say fuck it and aggressively blitz all day, leaving our corners on islands and smacking Romo around senseless.
I'll worry about who's playing and who is not playing
as long as our line plays at an NFL level. I'm throwing in the towel on the defense and hoping he can win this with offense. Signing James Jones is looking better and better. Put him outside in 3 WR sets and move Randle or Odell into the slot. Hope to god that we can move the ball on the ground.
I would not at all be shocked if they did. Most Giants/Cowboys games, particularly in Dallas, turn out to be shoot outs. If the Giants offensive line holds up, this Cowboys defense doesn't remotely scare me. I think the first team to get to 35 will win, and yes, that team could well be the Giants.
We can definitely light up the Dallas defense, minus Scandrick.
Even without Cruz - Beckham, Randle, Vereen, Donnell is more than enough. We'll need a couple of picks from Romo though. We actually played Dallas very competitively last season, but I just don't think we're ready for this type of test out of the gate.
Like others have said, can't see them coming out of Dallas with a win.
Dallas O vs Gmen D is a terrible matchup. They will probably be able to chew up yards on the ground and limit the Giant's O opportunities. With limited possessions, they'll need to make them all count. We've seen the past few seasons it seems to take a while for the Giant's O to get going
and just forfeit. I mean, c'mon - Eli will throw 3 picks (2 will be returned for TD), defense will give up 40+ points. Their O-line will push our d-line all over the place. And let's not forget that Dallas will be SB bound in Sept!!!
I am sure the same sentiment was shared on BBI before 2007 SB.
do you? My post would actually support the point not to overreact to preseason.
if you don't think there is a direct translation and carry over from preseason in individual performances to the regular season you are sadly mistaken ... I am not talking about final scores, who cares who wins and who loses ... I am talking about projected 1st team players and they level of expectation and how they are actually playing ...
there is no semblance of any continuity in any phase of our team ...
do you? My post would actually support the point not to overreact to preseason.
if you don't think there is a direct translation and carry over from preseason in individual performances to the regular season you are sadly mistaken ... I am not talking about final scores, who cares who wins and who loses ... I am talking about projected 1st team players and they level of expectation and how they are actually playing ...
there is no semblance of any continuity in any phase of our team ...
Ok so
Adrian Peterson is going to suck since he has not played a single snap in Preseason...
Aaron Rodgers and the packers are going to suck since they have struggled in preseason....
Russell Wilson and the seahawks offense is going to suck because they struggled in preseason....
Peyton Manning is going to struggle because they have struggled in preseason...
Preseason has no bearing on the regular season...
If that was the case the Giants would have never won the superbowl in 2007 or 2011
does that mean the seahawks are going to struggle?
Does that mean Peyton is going to struggle?
Does that mean Aaron Rodgers will continue to struggle?
Does that mean AP is going to be terrible?
If preseason meant what was going to happen in the regular season, the Giants would not have won the superbowl in 2007 and 2011...
the preseason is intended for building continuity and learning tendencies amongst teammates ... the final score is irrelevant ...
its a dress rehearsal to see where your projected 1st teamers grade out and individual analysis takes place ...
based upon the 1st 3 preseason games, there is not much difference from the 2014 team and where we left off 6-10, to this projected team ... who I feel, where fare worse ...
not because of injuries and not because Dallas is better. Simply because it seems that the Giants tend to get a slow start. That is the perception anyway. As if we are not truly ready to start the regular season.
this team is struggling, again ... we struggled in 2014, struggled in 2013 and the pattern points to struggling in 2015 ...
again, there is no continuity in any phase of this team ...
Why are you ignoring my question....I am not talking about the giants
i am talking about the other teams i have mentioned...
are those teams going to struggle as well since they have struggled in preseason???
Also if there is no switch like you say then how come the giants won the superbowl in 07 and 11?
I do not care about those other teams, I do not follow them as I do my Giants ... I do not know what there rosters consist of personnel wise ...
I can tell you this much, watching a handful of other games this weekend, most teams 2nd/3rd teamers play with more effort, instinct and want to win than our 1st team ...
I have to hypothesize or prove anything any further other than look at what we have had over the past 3 seasons, season is already done with by OCT, and this team plays meaningless games till Christmas ...
based on what I have seen so far, after all the offseason work, player's, coaches, schemes, product looks the same ...
I have to hypothesize or prove anything any further other than look at what we have had over the past 3 seasons, season is already done with by OCT, and this team plays meaningless games till Christmas ...
based on what I have seen so far, after all the offseason work, player's, coaches, schemes, product looks the same ...
Gotcha now if the team starts off the season playing well are you still going to come in with your one liners or you actually going to praise the team?
The pussies are people who can not handle reality and have to have it sugar coated to them with baseless optimism.
Only problem with your theory is the "reality" you're referring to is an undetermined future state of this team. There is no reality yet, you doofus. This is the NFL and plenty of teams surprise the league and come out with good seasons. My opinion is the Giants actually have a very good starting lineup, but have some of the worst depth of the NFL, and in a league with endless injuries and more regular rotations from backups, we won't have the talent to stick with Philly and Dallas. I think we're looking at an 8-8 football team.
But that is an opinion. It is not reality, nor is what you or anyone else on this board thinks. In 2007, would it have been rooted in reality to predict the Giants would win the Super Bowl after being embarrassed the opening two weeks of the season? And with that, would I have been a pussy who can't handle reality if I thought the team could on a run? What fucking nonsense. Shit changes. Players grow... and with that, some players regress.
I don't think someone is a pussy if they note that the Giants have had an enormous amount of injuries compared to the rest of the league in recent years. That, unlike your declaration of a reality that doesn't even exist yet, is not my opinion. That's actually something that's rooted in fact. What a pussy I am for being upset about this fact regarding my favorite football team.
I have to hypothesize or prove anything any further other than look at what we have had over the past 3 seasons, season is already done with by OCT, and this team plays meaningless games till Christmas ...
based on what I have seen so far, after all the offseason work, player's, coaches, schemes, product looks the same ...
Gotcha now if the team starts off the season playing well are you still going to come in with your one liners or you actually going to praise the team?
I will be rooting hard every week as I have done for the past 30yr's regardless, but at some point you have to start looking at things for what they are ...
No you are not looking at things for what they are
you are looking at things at how YOU think it is going to happen....
If you looked at it for how they are, you would say it is preseason and the team is still 0-0, they have struggled so there is reason to worry but the season has not started yet...
The team can go 0-16, 1-15,2-14,3-13,4-12,5-11,6-10,7-9,8-8,9-7,10-6,-11-5,12-4,13-3,14-2,15-1,16-0...no one knows...
so to say this team is done and is going to suck based on preseason is simply wrong....
you could say there are signs that are troubling and this team needs to get it fixed quick, absolutely...but you cant say this team is going to suck simply based on preseason...
RE: No you are not looking at things for what they are
you are looking at things at how YOU think it is going to happen....
If you looked at it for how they are, you would say it is preseason and the team is still 0-0, they have struggled so there is reason to worry but the season has not started yet...
and when the season does start what evidence has been viewed by the eye-ball that indicates any sort of promise ?
wha ti said was that preseason means nothing and that when the season starts everyone starts 0-0 that is fact...
if they struggle and go 0-3 or 0-4 i will be right there with you killing them...
But for now i look it at as the season has not started yet, yes they have struggled but when the bullets fly we will see what kind of team the Giants are, for now it is all prediction based off of glorified scrimmages...
looking like Cowboys at -5.5. That's lower than I would have expected it. I have a good feeling!
I wake up each and every morning believing in you..Am I delusional or on the correct path? Am I putting my faith in the wrong soul or will that faith continue to be rewarded?
you'd think that Dallas has been the model of excellence this preseason and will be completely healthy to boot.
Their CB position might be in as bad shape as our S position. Yet a Dallas victory is all but assured.
Again - it is almost like people have never seen preseason before.
Yep and this is why I avoid BBI in the preseason, its all doomsday.
Wait until Dallas wins a few games. Their OLine will have 5 hall of famers. Romo will be the bestest QB ever. Dez is the most passion filled player and is a great teammate because of it...
Same song and dance every year. And they are pretty healthy outside the CB position. If we were just missing our safeties and had Beatty, JPP, Cruz, Beason, etc... healthy, there is no doubt we could beat them. We went toe to toe with them twice last year and we sucked.
You shouldnt
Bill2 : 7/17/2015 1:17 am : link
you should do your own homework.
I don't exist to give laze dumb useless fucks like you a handbook for living in the world.
And proof of that is that in years of posting no one went and found contrary information. I don't make up things you useless piece of shit. I don't give a flying fuck if you stay stupid and pointless. If I do the work and you want to go further its all out there. fucking cunt for brains
Not sure why people say this. Bill is a hell of an intellectual, who is generally a nice guy when he posts, but if you piss him off and go at him with stuff, get ready! lol... he will not let it slide and will most likely eat you alive unless you are 1000% prepared (and right). I have yet to see the latter.
JPP and Ayers were the best 2 pass rushers last year....jusdt a reminder.
The qualifier is that if they really got ALOT more practice in together, perhaps. But now, with Cruz, Randle, half the 0-line; it doesn't matter if they regain their health tomorrow or not. The damage was done.
I would love to see an upset, but I don't see a win at all..This from a Kool-Aid guy
I would love to see an upset, but I don't see a win at all..This from a Kool-Aid guy
what did me in were the quotes this a.m. from Ayers and Cruz.
Ayers is our best pass rusher right now and Jordan Ranaan had him as his top player at camp. We have ZERO shot without him. And then throw Beason in there and Cruz on that list?
Since it's a primetime game, I would guess the camera will show his luxury box no less than 25 times. Maybe that fat slob Chris Christie will be present.
Why would you do that now?
Their OL has been banged up and who is their starting RB? Mcfadden?...
Dallas is not going into the game healthy either...
Pretty sure 0 people said he'd be back for week 1.
Dallas O vs Gmen D is a terrible matchup. They will probably be able to chew up yards on the ground and limit the Giant's O opportunities. With limited possessions, they'll need to make them all count. We've seen the past few seasons it seems to take a while for the Giant's O to get going
Their CB position might be in as bad shape as our S position. Yet a Dallas victory is all but assured.
Again - it is almost like people have never seen preseason before.
And if the Giants scored 40, they would probably lose by 20.
I wouldn't be surprised if we upset them or lost close.
Giants +5.0 right now.
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But some here said he would be able to play with 9 fingers. LOL!
Pretty sure 0 people said he'd be back for week 1.
Some did.
I am sure the same sentiment was shared on BBI before 2007 SB.
Their CB position might be in as bad shape as our S position. Yet a Dallas victory is all but assured.
Again - it is almost like people have never seen preseason before.
I thought preseason games were meaningless ! you guys are sick, sick I say ...
if you don't think there is a direct translation and carry over from preseason in individual performances to the regular season you are sadly mistaken ... I am not talking about final scores, who cares who wins and who loses ... I am talking about projected 1st team players and they level of expectation and how they are actually playing ...
there is no semblance of any continuity in any phase of our team ...
I am so sick of guys that ARE ALWAYS INJURED. Give the money back and retire.
Their CB position might be in as bad shape as our S position. Yet a Dallas victory is all but assured.
Again - it is almost like people have never seen preseason before.
Spot on-
And Bortles is going to lead the league in QBR this year because of how well he's looked this preseason. People need to get a goddamn grip.
Name the last preseason where the defense has looked good going into the season....
Name the last preseason where Eli has looked good going into the season?
Preseason is for testing out situations and certain plays against live competition,
do you honestly think the Giants gameplan for these games? no team gameplans....
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do you? My post would actually support the point not to overreact to preseason.
if you don't think there is a direct translation and carry over from preseason in individual performances to the regular season you are sadly mistaken ... I am not talking about final scores, who cares who wins and who loses ... I am talking about projected 1st team players and they level of expectation and how they are actually playing ...
there is no semblance of any continuity in any phase of our team ...
Ok so
Adrian Peterson is going to suck since he has not played a single snap in Preseason...
Aaron Rodgers and the packers are going to suck since they have struggled in preseason....
Russell Wilson and the seahawks offense is going to suck because they struggled in preseason....
Peyton Manning is going to struggle because they have struggled in preseason...
Preseason has no bearing on the regular season...
If that was the case the Giants would have never won the superbowl in 2007 or 2011
Their OL will bulldoze our DL into the ground.
Our offense hasn't rolled out the full package yet for obvious reasons, but I could see Eli and ODB having a field day
45-42 Giants. Fuck the Cowboys.
I would love to see an upset, but I don't see a win at all..This from a Kool-Aid guy
Concur.
Our offense hasn't rolled out the full package yet for obvious reasons, but I could see Eli and ODB having a field day
45-42 Giants. Fuck the Cowboys.
so the offense is going to go from struggling to put 3 consecutive plays together to get a 1st down, to scoring 45 points on opening night ...
interesting ...
does that mean the seahawks are going to struggle?
Does that mean Peyton is going to struggle?
Does that mean Aaron Rodgers will continue to struggle?
Does that mean AP is going to be terrible?
If preseason meant what was going to happen in the regular season, the Giants would not have won the superbowl in 2007 and 2011...
I could see it.
The question is, was it a W or a L.
does that mean the seahawks are going to struggle?
Does that mean Peyton is going to struggle?
Does that mean Aaron Rodgers will continue to struggle?
Does that mean AP is going to be terrible?
If preseason meant what was going to happen in the regular season, the Giants would not have won the superbowl in 2007 and 2011...
the preseason is intended for building continuity and learning tendencies amongst teammates ... the final score is irrelevant ...
its a dress rehearsal to see where your projected 1st teamers grade out and individual analysis takes place ...
based upon the 1st 3 preseason games, there is not much difference from the 2014 team and where we left off 6-10, to this projected team ... who I feel, where fare worse ...
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And 3 tds vs Dallas. Book it.
I could see it.
The question is, was it a W or a L.
Can't see that far into future. Lol.
so i asked you are those teams going to struggle as well because they struggled in preseason or is it just the Giants?
Forget about last year they are different teams last year means nothing now....
this team is struggling, again ... we struggled in 2014, struggled in 2013 and the pattern points to struggling in 2015 ...
again, there is no continuity in any phase of this team ...
this team is struggling, again ... we struggled in 2014, struggled in 2013 and the pattern points to struggling in 2015 ...
again, there is no continuity in any phase of this team ...
Why are you ignoring my question....I am not talking about the giants
i am talking about the other teams i have mentioned...
are those teams going to struggle as well since they have struggled in preseason???
Also if there is no switch like you say then how come the giants won the superbowl in 07 and 11?
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REGULAR SEASON SWITCH ON ...
this team is struggling, again ... we struggled in 2014, struggled in 2013 and the pattern points to struggling in 2015 ...
again, there is no continuity in any phase of this team ...
Why are you ignoring my question....I am not talking about the giants
i am talking about the other teams i have mentioned...
are those teams going to struggle as well since they have struggled in preseason???
Also if there is no switch like you say then how come the giants won the superbowl in 07 and 11?
I do not care about those other teams, I do not follow them as I do my Giants ... I do not know what there rosters consist of personnel wise ...
I can tell you this much, watching a handful of other games this weekend, most teams 2nd/3rd teamers play with more effort, instinct and want to win than our 1st team ...
fine then i will reowrd the quesiton, how did the giants win the superbowl in 07 and 11 when they struggled early in both those seasons...
like you siad there is no switch so how did they win??
according to you there is no switch so what happened?
fine then i will reowrd the quesiton, how did the giants win the superbowl in 07 and 11 when they struggled early in both those seasons...
like you siad there is no switch so how did they win??
according to you there is no switch so what happened?
there was evidence of continuity in both 07' and 11' ... there was the right mix of talent, leadership and luck ... there is no formula ...
Don't set up that lawn chair just yet Romo.
The pussies are people who can not handle reality and have to have it sugar coated to them with baseless optimism.
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so you do not look bad...
fine then i will reowrd the quesiton, how did the giants win the superbowl in 07 and 11 when they struggled early in both those seasons...
like you siad there is no switch so how did they win??
according to you there is no switch so what happened?
there was evidence of continuity in both 07' and 11' ... there was the right mix of talent, leadership and luck ... there is no formula ...
Lol you are completely changing your argument as you go...
First it was if a player struggles in preseason he can not turn it on for the regular season...
then it was a team can not turn on a switch and be a good team for the regular season...
now it is ok to struggle as long as there is continuity from one year to the next....
what continuity was there from 06 to 07? strahan nearly retired because he thought the team was going to suck and have to rebuild...
you are completely making shit up to make your argument work but it is falling apart...
if the team is 0-3 or 0-4 and has looked like shit i will be right there saying this team is finished and it is time to rebuild and tear it down...
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Glad the pussification of BBI is in full effect!
The pussies are people who can not handle reality and have to have it sugar coated to them with baseless optimism.
So you are a realist? and the people who are not killing the Giants are optimists and pussies?
boy i am glad i am not a realist and lumped in with you then...
based on what I have seen so far, after all the offseason work, player's, coaches, schemes, product looks the same ...
based on what I have seen so far, after all the offseason work, player's, coaches, schemes, product looks the same ...
Gotcha now if the team starts off the season playing well are you still going to come in with your one liners or you actually going to praise the team?
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Glad the pussification of BBI is in full effect!
The pussies are people who can not handle reality and have to have it sugar coated to them with baseless optimism.
Only problem with your theory is the "reality" you're referring to is an undetermined future state of this team. There is no reality yet, you doofus. This is the NFL and plenty of teams surprise the league and come out with good seasons. My opinion is the Giants actually have a very good starting lineup, but have some of the worst depth of the NFL, and in a league with endless injuries and more regular rotations from backups, we won't have the talent to stick with Philly and Dallas. I think we're looking at an 8-8 football team.
But that is an opinion. It is not reality, nor is what you or anyone else on this board thinks. In 2007, would it have been rooted in reality to predict the Giants would win the Super Bowl after being embarrassed the opening two weeks of the season? And with that, would I have been a pussy who can't handle reality if I thought the team could on a run? What fucking nonsense. Shit changes. Players grow... and with that, some players regress.
I don't think someone is a pussy if they note that the Giants have had an enormous amount of injuries compared to the rest of the league in recent years. That, unlike your declaration of a reality that doesn't even exist yet, is not my opinion. That's actually something that's rooted in fact. What a pussy I am for being upset about this fact regarding my favorite football team.
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I have to hypothesize or prove anything any further other than look at what we have had over the past 3 seasons, season is already done with by OCT, and this team plays meaningless games till Christmas ...
based on what I have seen so far, after all the offseason work, player's, coaches, schemes, product looks the same ...
Gotcha now if the team starts off the season playing well are you still going to come in with your one liners or you actually going to praise the team?
I will be rooting hard every week as I have done for the past 30yr's regardless, but at some point you have to start looking at things for what they are ...
If you looked at it for how they are, you would say it is preseason and the team is still 0-0, they have struggled so there is reason to worry but the season has not started yet...
The team can go 0-16, 1-15,2-14,3-13,4-12,5-11,6-10,7-9,8-8,9-7,10-6,-11-5,12-4,13-3,14-2,15-1,16-0...no one knows...
so to say this team is done and is going to suck based on preseason is simply wrong....
you could say there are signs that are troubling and this team needs to get it fixed quick, absolutely...but you cant say this team is going to suck simply based on preseason...
If you looked at it for how they are, you would say it is preseason and the team is still 0-0, they have struggled so there is reason to worry but the season has not started yet...
and when the season does start what evidence has been viewed by the eye-ball that indicates any sort of promise ?
if they struggle and go 0-3 or 0-4 i will be right there with you killing them...
But for now i look it at as the season has not started yet, yes they have struggled but when the bullets fly we will see what kind of team the Giants are, for now it is all prediction based off of glorified scrimmages...
we will win it
Link?
I wake up each and every morning believing in you..Am I delusional or on the correct path? Am I putting my faith in the wrong soul or will that faith continue to be rewarded?
That's no help..About when? Remember the thread start? A little help here
B, can you direct me to that thread? What was the subject of the thread?
Link - ( New Window )
Since I don't go on NFTs, I never would have seen that..Thanks B for finding that..I think..:)
Their CB position might be in as bad shape as our S position. Yet a Dallas victory is all but assured.
Again - it is almost like people have never seen preseason before.
Yep and this is why I avoid BBI in the preseason, its all doomsday.
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you'd think that Dallas has been the model of excellence this preseason and will be completely healthy to boot.
Their CB position might be in as bad shape as our S position. Yet a Dallas victory is all but assured.
Again - it is almost like people have never seen preseason before.
Yep and this is why I avoid BBI in the preseason, its all doomsday.
Jeremy, I might do the same next year
Couldn't of said it better
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you'd think that Dallas has been the model of excellence this preseason and will be completely healthy to boot.
Their CB position might be in as bad shape as our S position. Yet a Dallas victory is all but assured.
Again - it is almost like people have never seen preseason before.
Yep and this is why I avoid BBI in the preseason, its all doomsday.
Wait until Dallas wins a few games. Their OLine will have 5 hall of famers. Romo will be the bestest QB ever. Dez is the most passion filled player and is a great teammate because of it...
Same song and dance every year. And they are pretty healthy outside the CB position. If we were just missing our safeties and had Beatty, JPP, Cruz, Beason, etc... healthy, there is no doubt we could beat them. We went toe to toe with them twice last year and we sucked.
Bill2 : 7/17/2015 1:17 am : link
you should do your own homework.
I don't exist to give laze dumb useless fucks like you a handbook for living in the world.
And proof of that is that in years of posting no one went and found contrary information. I don't make up things you useless piece of shit. I don't give a flying fuck if you stay stupid and pointless. If I do the work and you want to go further its all out there. fucking cunt for brains
didn't think he had it in him!
didn't think he had it in him!
Not sure why people say this. Bill is a hell of an intellectual, who is generally a nice guy when he posts, but if you piss him off and go at him with stuff, get ready! lol... he will not let it slide and will most likely eat you alive unless you are 1000% prepared (and right). I have yet to see the latter.