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gidiefor : Mod : 9/1/2015 8:41 am
who is getting tossed as the Giants trim to 75?
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RE: ...  
mac attack : 9/1/2015 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12446628 Eric from BBI said:
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Paul Schwartz ‏@NYPost_Schwartz 2m2 minutes ago

Giants have not made cuts yet, players will practice today and then get word yeah or nay this afternoon.


Sheesh... That's gonna be one stiff practice if guys are fighting for their jobs. Don't like that at all from TC or Reese.
Over on Great Blue North.....  
njm : 9/1/2015 12:01 pm : link
Colin has at least a partial list posted for 28 teams. And that's an hour or two old.

Maybe the Giants are waiting to see who gets hurt during practice.
This is a ridiculous argument.  
David in Belmont : 9/1/2015 12:02 pm : link
Saying it was a mistake to take anyone in the fourth round is absurd. Its not a mistake to take someone then just because they didn't work out.
Picking George Rogers 1st in the 1981 draft, ahead of Lawrence Taylor, was a mistake. It was clear Taylor was going to be a star.
Picking anyone ahead of Michael Jordan in the NBA draft was a mistake. Clearly Jordan was going to be a once in a lifetime player.
But picking anyone in the 4th round is a risk. Maybe a few turn out to be starters or even stars but most don't. The fault is on Brewer not Reese. Any GM can't see inside a college player to determine if they have the desire and commitment to do what it takes to make it.
Hey Eric....and everybody else....  
Bayareabluegiant : 9/1/2015 12:03 pm : link
I'm a new member as I just found out about this site yesterday from a fellow poster at BBV who was venting his frustration about how much he didn't agree with your assessment of how downright shitty Eli has been and continues to play. That forced me to come check out the website as I too have had many gripes about our $25 million dollar QB.

Also, I have an OT question about the line play since I've been busy and I live in the Bay Area so didn't get a chance to watch the game.

I noticed Jerry had the best PFF score of any of our lineman and took snaps at both guard and tackle. Did anybody notice how many snaps and how well he played on the outside?

He apparently had one of his best season in MIA when he was moved outside and I personally think that move might serve him and us better. Is there any chance he is our answer at RT until Beatty comes back as I'm not too much looking forward to a half season plus of Newhouse as our starter.
Bayareabluegiant  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 12:05 pm : link
Jerry is not the answer. He stinks. It's why they are trying to get Schwartz back in his spot. Jerry at tackle would be a bad idea.
Obviously  
Semipro Lineman : 9/1/2015 12:05 pm : link
to be fair isn't the point. It is to find any excuse to complain and harp on it like it regardless of the overall significance.

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Well to be fair...
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/1/2015 12:06 pm : link
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Reese missed on Greg Hardy and Arthur Moats for the DL, Antonio Brown at WR. Instead in the later Rounds we drafted Adrian Tracy and Matt Dodge.


you can do that exercise for every GM out there. How many GM's missed Bradshaw and selected RB's ahead of him? How many GM's missed on Victor Cruz?

I mean, now Reese is getting blamed for not picking Greg hardy, Arthur Moats or Antonio Brown? Really with that shit?

Logic definitely takes a back seat to people looking to craft an agenda.
RE: How about adding Matt LaCosse  
81_Great_Dane : 9/1/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12446302 dk in TX said:
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To the Giants' practice squad?
That wouldn't surprise me at all.
RE: Matt LaCosse  
81_Great_Dane : 9/1/2015 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12446334 shyster said:
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I liked LaCosse too but, because of his injury settlement, I don't think the Giants can re-sign him until at least Week 6 of the regular season.
D'oh!
RE: Jay: IMO the issue is not what other GMs have done in each Round.  
Jay in Toronto : 9/1/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12446632 Steve Filipowicz said:
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I'm not judging other GMs because I'm holding Reese accountable for the current poor state of the team, the failure to make the playoffs and the talenthe has given TC to work

My point is that from 2008 through 2011, in each of those Drafts he has drafted poorly from the 4th Round on and missed on many players who were available when he picked and are better than his choices.


Steve in criticizing Reese you are implying there are better ones out there (surely you are not arguing we should have no GM). So by definition it is a relative issue.

When I read essay exams I learned quickly that I needed to go through the batch without grading. We can all have some mythical ideal standard -- but probably not fair to make decisions without the relative context.
RE: Its likely there will be a handful of players better than Stevie  
Bayareabluegiant : 9/1/2015 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12446329 Curtis in VA said:
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available before week 1 but we will stick with Stevie.


We need to sign Landry...who has enough experience to help balance our current rosters lack of experience. Between Meriweather, who hasn't played in a full season since 2010 and Cooper Taylor who has ended the last two years on IR without ever making it onto a game field, we are very thin with a very high likelihood that our already tough situation gets a lot worse quick. Why I a player that has averaged over 100 tackles over the last 5 years and hasn't missed a game since 2008? He could be the STABLE veteran presence that we are badly missing right now.
FatMan: I highlighted Thomas, Moats and  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/1/2015 12:22 pm : link
Brown because there are 23 other players in Rounds 5 through 7 who are still in the NFL while we' were drafting Tracy and Dodge. Typing all of those other 23 players would take too much time. Of those 23 other than Hardy, Motas and Brown, there are4 starters..

My point is that Reese is supposed to be a Draft guru but in Rounds 4 through 7 each of the players he drafted in 2011 is no longer in the NFL. One of these days when I have time, I'll check whether any other GM has the same record, that is, no player drafted in the 2011 Draft in Rounds 4 through 7 Is still in the NFL. BTW Tracy and Dodge were out of the NFL very quickly.
All GM's are supposed..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/1/2015 12:33 pm : link
to be Draft Guru's. That doesn't mean they've all hit, especially in the later rounds.

So Reese's back half of the 2011 draft are out of football. I don't think that's uncommon.

Cherry-picking who he could have had is the epitome of 20/20 thinking though. And it really can't even be used as a basis for discussion.
The one thing I cant stand about  
dep026 : 9/1/2015 12:35 pm : link
the MMQB of picks is this...

Someone in another thread mentioned how Hopkins was taken after Pugh and is a better player than him, therefore we should have taken him.

Well didnt w eat the time have Cruz, Nicks, and Randle. With no OL? Sometimes you draft for value and other time you draft for need. Pugh was a pick at the time that had need AND value. Therefore was a better pick, regardless of how their careers turn out.
Greg Hardy?  
barens : 9/1/2015 12:38 pm : link
He's not even on the team that drafted him any more.
RE: FatMan: I would agree with your logic if there only 2 or 3  
OC2.0 : 9/1/2015 12:50 pm : link
In comment 12446613 Steve Filipowicz said:
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players drafted after Brewer who are still in the NFL. But, we're talking about 13 players drafted after him. Reese didn't think any of the 13 were better than Brewer?

I think Julius Thomas would be an upgrade at TE, Cortez Allen and Buster Skrine may have been an upgrade over our DBs and Marcus Cannon may have provided better OT depth than we have.

Sorry but IMO from the 4th Round through the 7 th Rounds Reese made horrible mistakes which plague us today. For example, among others, Reese missed on Greg Hardy and Arthur Moats for the DL, Antonio Brown at WR. Instead in the later Rounds we drafted Adrian Tracy and Matt Dodge.


Maybe you should loan him your crystal ball.
FatMan: we haven't been in the playoffs in years.  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/1/2015 12:56 pm : link
The question is, why has that happened?

Don't you think it's fair to go back and see how we did in prior Drafts to see how we replenished aging/retired vets?

We drafted as follows from 2008 through 2011 in Rounds 4 through 7 :

2008
Bryan Kehl 4th
Jonathan Goff 5th
Andre Wodson 6th
Robert Henderson 6th
Marcus Monk 7th

2009
Andre Brown 4th
Rhett Bomar 5th
DeAndre Brown 6th


2010
Phillip Dillard 4th
Mitch Petrus 5th
Stanley Woodson 7th

2011
James Brewer 4th
Adrian Tracy 6th
Matt Dodge 7th

EVERYONE of those draftees is out of the NFL. 99% of them never appeared in a regular season game.

I don't believe there is another GM who has the same dismal record, that is, EVERY draftee in Rounds 4 through 7 from the 2008 through 2011 Drafts is out of the NFL.

IMO that's why the team is in such a sorry state of affairs. Reese's draft failures for that period of time are the main reason.













FYI  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 12:57 pm : link
I'll most likely start a new cuts thread when they come out since this thread has gone in a different direction.
RE: FYI  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/1/2015 12:58 pm : link
In comment 12446829 Eric from BBI said:
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I'll most likely start a new cuts thread when they come out since this thread has gone in a different direction.

Good Idea
Eric: My apologies  
Steve Filipowicz : 9/1/2015 12:59 pm : link
It started because I responded to comments made about Brewer's draft and subsequent history
RE: FatMan: we haven't been in the playoffs in years.  
jeff57 : 9/1/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12446828 Steve Filipowicz said:
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The question is, why has that happened?

Don't you think it's fair to go back and see how we did in prior Drafts to see how we replenished aging/retired vets?

We drafted as follows from 2008 through 2011 in Rounds 4 through 7 :

2008
Bryan Kehl 4th
Jonathan Goff 5th
Andre Wodson 6th
Robert Henderson 6th
Marcus Monk 7th

2009
Andre Brown 4th
Rhett Bomar 5th
DeAndre Brown 6th


2010
Phillip Dillard 4th
Mitch Petrus 5th
Stanley Woodson 7th

2011
James Brewer 4th
Adrian Tracy 6th
Matt Dodge 7th

EVERYONE of those draftees is out of the NFL. 99% of them never appeared in a regular season game.

I don't believe there is another GM who has the same dismal record, that is, EVERY draftee in Rounds 4 through 7 from the 2008 through 2011 Drafts is out of the NFL.

IMO that's why the team is in such a sorry state of affairs. Reese's draft failures for that period of time are the main reason.














Jerry Reach.
My guesses for the cuts this afternoon:  
FranknWeezer : 9/1/2015 1:01 pm : link
Brad Bars
Cole Farrand
CJ Conway
Justin Halley
Mike Harris
Emmet Cleary
Michael Bamiro
Derrick Johnson
Will Tye
Juron Criner
Kenneth Harper
Nikita Whitlock
Dominique Hamilton
Julian Talley
Jimmy Staten

But more realistically, I'm guessing it will be about 10-11 of those 15, and then a handful of waived/injured guys (Miles), or guys to IR (Berhe).
RE: Bayareabluegiant  
Bayareabluegiant : 9/1/2015 1:07 pm : link
In comment 12446644 Eric from BBI said:
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Jerry is not the answer. He stinks. It's why they are trying to get Schwartz back in his spot. Jerry at tackle would be a bad idea.


So I guess you decided not to answer my question and just figured you would answer your own question. I'm gonna assume you didn't notice him at tackle and you're just assuming he would suck playing there.

I don't know why so many fans have such a strong hatred for our backup guard that played a full 16 games last year without getting our QB killed. Obviously we want Schwartz in there but we wanted Schwartz in there last year too, if you remember. It doesn't make much sense to hate on our backup because he wasn't a pro bowler. He kept Eli upright and if we can get that out of our backup, then he's doing a decent job.im not saying he's a great or even all that good but he was a decent backup.

We didn't waste a draft pick and we only paid him like 800k for last year so I'd say we got more than our money's worth. If he can play tackle better than he can play guard then I think the 1.3 million or so he is making this year is well worth it.

If Schartz and Richburg stay healthy and Jerry is on the far right side that gives us the whole middle and right side to run through. If he can keep Eli upright until Beatty gets back, then I'd say that's 1.3 mil well spent.

I'm not saying he is the answer or that he is any good at tackle. He had the best game of any Giant offensive lineman (according to PFF) last Saturday against a very good defensive front and I know he took some snaps at tackle so I just wanted to know if anybody noticed him out there.

Again, I'm not saying he's a great player but just asking how he played at tackle, not if he drinks or not. Maybe last year he and Pugh should have been switched and both of them were not playing their best positions. One simple could have made an improvement in two positions but since everybody is stuck on how he played at guard, nobody noticed he might be playing out of position and it wouldn't be the first time Tom and Jerry had something backwards.
RE: RE: Bayareabluegiant  
Bayareabluegiant : 9/1/2015 1:08 pm : link
In comment 12446857 Bayareabluegiant said:
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In comment 12446644 Eric from BBI said:


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Jerry is not the answer. He stinks. It's why they are trying to get Schwartz back in his spot. Jerry at tackle would be a bad idea.



So I guess you decided not to answer my question and just figured you would answer your own question. I'm gonna assume you didn't notice him at tackle and you're just assuming he would suck playing there.

I don't know why so many fans have such a strong hatred for our backup guard that played a full 16 games last year without getting our QB killed. Obviously we want Schwartz in there but we wanted Schwartz in there last year too, if you remember. It doesn't make much sense to hate on our backup because he wasn't a pro bowler. He kept Eli upright and if we can get that out of our backup, then he's doing a decent job.im not saying he's a great or even all that good but he was a decent backup.

We didn't waste a draft pick and we only paid him like 800k for last year so I'd say we got more than our money's worth. If he can play tackle better than he can play guard then I think the 1.3 million or so he is making this year is well worth it.

If Schartz and Richburg stay healthy and Jerry is on the far right side that gives us the whole middle and right side to run through. If he can keep Eli upright until Beatty gets back, then I'd say that's 1.3 mil well spent.

I'm not saying he is the answer or that he is any good at tackle. He had the best game of any Giant offensive lineman (according to PFF) last Saturday against a very good defensive front and I know he took some snaps at tackle so I just wanted to know if anybody noticed him out there.

Again, I'm not saying he's a great player but just asking how he played at tackle, not if he drinks or not. Maybe last year he and Pugh should have been switched and both of them were not playing their best positions. One simple could have made an improvement in two positions but since everybody is stuck on how he played at guard, nobody noticed he might be playing out of position and it wouldn't be the first time Tom and Jerry had something backwards.


*correction....not if he stinks or not.
The  
AcidTest : 9/1/2015 1:17 pm : link
problem isn't that Reese made a bad pick with Brewer. He was a fourth round pick. Most of those players don't work out. The problem is that Reese has a poor day three draft record, aside from 2007, although it has been improving lately.

2008: Bryan Kehl (who we trade up for IIRC), Jonathan Goff, Andre Woodson, and Robert Henderson.

2009: The whole draft was a waste, aside from Nicks and Beatty. The day three picks were Andre Brown, Rhett Bomar, DeAndre Wright, and Stoney Woodson. This was also the year that Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden, and Travis Beckum were selected. Remember also that Reese wanted to draft Darrius Heyward-Bey.

2010: Phillip Dillard, Mitch Petrus, Adrian Tracy, and Matt Dodge.

2011: James Brewer, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, Jacquian Williams, and Da'Rel Scott. This was also the year that Marvin Austin and Jerrel Jernigan were selected. Austin was selected one spot ahead of Stephen Paea. Prince was the only decent player from that draft.

2012: Adrian Robinson, Brandon Mosley, Matt McCants, and Markus Kuhn. This was also the year that David Wilson and Jayron Hosley were selected. Wilson was selected even though Cordy Glenn was apparently the highest rated player on the Giants' board. Randle was the only decent player from that draft, and he was benched twice last year. He and Eli have also had some communication problems.

2013: Ryan Nassib, Cooper Taylor, Eric Herman, and Michael Cox. Much better. Nassib was a good pick. Taylor just needs to stay healthy. Herman had a good career at Ohio U. Cox was a reasonable flier.

2014: Andre Williams, Nat Berhe, Devon Kennard, and Bennett Jackson. Much better again.

2015: Too soon to tell.

Bradshaw fell because of character concerns. Many teams had a third or fourth gourd grade on him based on his talent.

The drafts between 2008 - 2012 produced very few serviceable players, especially from day three. Brewer is one example, but there are many others as well. Reese has compounded this problem by refusing to or at least being reluctant to cut these picks, including Brewer and Robinson.
So no cuts yet, huh?  
Curtis in VA : 9/1/2015 1:17 pm : link
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I won't copy your whole post AcidTest...  
Dunedin81 : 9/1/2015 1:18 pm : link
but that is a very valid criticism. I know Day 3 picks tend to have a lower percentage of success but we get so little contribution from them. We have drafted multiple players for positions when clearly only one can make the final roster.
re. Bradshaw and FMiC  
ColHowPepper : 9/1/2015 1:25 pm : link
well, Acid Test already made the point, so I won't harp on it...however, since Charlotte gave me such s..t for my left foot tackle, I'll harp:

Bradshaw is a red herring when it comes to Reese's acumen on draft day, for the reason AT adduced. It would be similar to drafting Collins in the 7th. I wonder how that will shake out.

btw, I miss the toughness, never mind the talent, that Bradshaw brought, really miss him
RE: So no cuts yet, huh?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/1/2015 1:27 pm : link
In comment 12446883 Curtis in VA said:
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Apparently waiting until after today's practice.
Not  
AcidTest : 9/1/2015 1:30 pm : link
sure why I wrote gourd instead of round for Bradshaw.
Yeah, silly me  
David B. : 9/1/2015 1:30 pm : link
I came here to see who got cut from the Giants.

Maybe start a new thread once that starts.
yeah  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/1/2015 1:43 pm : link
sorry David -- folks got a lot of stuff they want to get off their chests
RE: RE: Bayareabluegiant  
Brandon Walsh : 9/1/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12446857 Bayareabluegiant said:
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In comment 12446644 Eric from BBI said:


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Jerry is not the answer. He stinks. It's why they are trying to get Schwartz back in his spot. Jerry at tackle would be a bad idea.



So I guess you decided not to answer my question and just figured you would answer your own question. I'm gonna assume you didn't notice him at tackle and you're just assuming he would suck playing there.

I don't know why so many fans have such a strong hatred for our backup guard that played a full 16 games last year without getting our QB killed. Obviously we want Schwartz in there but we wanted Schwartz in there last year too, if you remember. It doesn't make much sense to hate on our backup because he wasn't a pro bowler. He kept Eli upright and if we can get that out of our backup, then he's doing a decent job.im not saying he's a great or even all that good but he was a decent backup.

We didn't waste a draft pick and we only paid him like 800k for last year so I'd say we got more than our money's worth. If he can play tackle better than he can play guard then I think the 1.3 million or so he is making this year is well worth it.

If Schartz and Richburg stay healthy and Jerry is on the far right side that gives us the whole middle and right side to run through. If he can keep Eli upright until Beatty gets back, then I'd say that's 1.3 mil well spent.

I'm not saying he is the answer or that he is any good at tackle. He had the best game of any Giant offensive lineman (according to PFF) last Saturday against a very good defensive front and I know he took some snaps at tackle so I just wanted to know if anybody noticed him out there.

Again, I'm not saying he's a great player but just asking how he played at tackle, not if he drinks or not. Maybe last year he and Pugh should have been switched and both of them were not playing their best positions. One simple could have made an improvement in two positions but since everybody is stuck on how he played at guard, nobody noticed he might be playing out of position and it wouldn't be the first time Tom and Jerry had something backwards.


So I guess you've never watched Jerry run-block
I assume the cuts have to be sent to the league office by 4  
Bill in UT : 9/1/2015 3:56 pm : link
Is there any time that they have to be announced by the team? Will the league release them at 4?
Justin Pugh announced that  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/1/2015 3:57 pm : link
Eric Herman was cut
2012  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/1/2015 4:09 pm : link
what a fucking disaster
It's posted at  
Bill in UT : 9/1/2015 4:11 pm : link
Giant.com
Link - ( New Window )
.  
Bill in UT : 9/1/2015 4:12 pm : link
OL Will Beatty Reserve/PUP
DB Josh Gordy Reserve/Injured
DB Bennett Jackson Reserve/Injured
OL Brandon Mosley Waived/injured
RB Akeem Hunt Waived/injured
OL Michael Bamiro Waived
WR Juron Criner Waived
FB Justin Halley Waived
OL Eric Herman Waived
OL Derrick Johnson Waived
P Robert Malone Waived
DE Jordan Stanton Waived
DT Jummy Staten Waived
TE Will Tye Waived
Weatherford is apparently still the punter  
dpinzow : 9/1/2015 4:14 pm : link
because Malone was cut

The other cuts:

Michael Bamiro
Juron Criner
Justin Halley
Eric Herman
Derrick Johnson
Jordan Stanton
Jimmy Staten
Will Tye

Beatty goes to PUP
Josh Gordy and Bennett Jackson go to IR
Brandon Mosley and Akeem Hunt were waived/injured
RE: FatMan: we haven't been in the playoffs in years.  
speedywheels : 9/1/2015 4:16 pm : link
In comment 12446828 Steve Filipowicz said:
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The question is, why has that happened?

Don't you think it's fair to go back and see how we did in prior Drafts to see how we replenished aging/retired vets?

We drafted as follows from 2008 through 2011 in Rounds 4 through 7 :

2008
Bryan Kehl 4th
Jonathan Goff 5th
Andre Wodson 6th
Robert Henderson 6th
Marcus Monk 7th

2009
Andre Brown 4th
Rhett Bomar 5th
DeAndre Brown 6th


2010
Phillip Dillard 4th
Mitch Petrus 5th
Stanley Woodson 7th

2011
James Brewer 4th
Adrian Tracy 6th
Matt Dodge 7th

EVERYONE of those draftees is out of the NFL. 99% of them never appeared in a regular season game.



You may want to check your math - of the 14 you named, 50% have indeed appeared in regular season games (most appeared in several). One - Bryan Kehl - appeared in over SEVENTY games...

Not saying any of those 14 had a real impact (well, one did for all the wrong reasons), but it's just so lazy to use such ridiculous hyperbole...
RE: The  
bigbluescot : 9/1/2015 4:16 pm : link
In comment 12446880 AcidTest said:
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problem isn't that Reese made a bad pick with Brewer. He was a fourth round pick. Most of those players don't work out. The problem is that Reese has a poor day three draft record, aside from 2007, although it has been improving lately.

2008: Bryan Kehl (who we trade up for IIRC), Jonathan Goff, Andre Woodson, and Robert Henderson.

2009: The whole draft was a waste, aside from Nicks and Beatty. The day three picks were Andre Brown, Rhett Bomar, DeAndre Wright, and Stoney Woodson. This was also the year that Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden, and Travis Beckum were selected. Remember also that Reese wanted to draft Darrius Heyward-Bey.

2010: Phillip Dillard, Mitch Petrus, Adrian Tracy, and Matt Dodge.

2011: James Brewer, Greg Jones, Tyler Sash, Jacquian Williams, and Da'Rel Scott. This was also the year that Marvin Austin and Jerrel Jernigan were selected. Austin was selected one spot ahead of Stephen Paea. Prince was the only decent player from that draft.

2012: Adrian Robinson, Brandon Mosley, Matt McCants, and Markus Kuhn. This was also the year that David Wilson and Jayron Hosley were selected. Wilson was selected even though Cordy Glenn was apparently the highest rated player on the Giants' board. Randle was the only decent player from that draft, and he was benched twice last year. He and Eli have also had some communication problems.

2013: Ryan Nassib, Cooper Taylor, Eric Herman, and Michael Cox. Much better. Nassib was a good pick. Taylor just needs to stay healthy. Herman had a good career at Ohio U. Cox was a reasonable flier.

2014: Andre Williams, Nat Berhe, Devon Kennard, and Bennett Jackson. Much better again.

2015: Too soon to tell.

Bradshaw fell because of character concerns. Many teams had a third or fourth gourd grade on him based on his talent.

The drafts between 2008 - 2012 produced very few serviceable players, especially from day three. Brewer is one example, but there are many others as well. Reese has compounded this problem by refusing to or at least being reluctant to cut these picks, including Brewer and Robinson.


Kehl, Goff and even Henderson from the 2008 hung around the league for a couple of years. Goff was our starting middle linebacker and wasn't a bad player at all. Every single player from that 2008 class with the exception of Woodson and Henderson (who ended up on IR with an ankle injury in his first season), suffered a knee injury, TT and Goff both had multiple ACL injuries which were career ending.
Don't forget Andre Brown..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/1/2015 4:22 pm : link
he started 10 games for us, scoring 11 TD's.
RE: RE: The  
Bill L : 9/1/2015 4:26 pm : link
In comment 12447405 bigbluescot said:
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Every single player from that 2008 class with the exception of Woodson and Henderson (who ended up on IR with an ankle injury in his first season), suffered a knee injury, TT and Goff both had multiple ACL injuries which were career ending.
Fucking Reese should have known that they would.
The criticism of the Brewer pick in isolation is ridiculous  
Deej : 9/1/2015 4:40 pm : link
Though there is a 20 year pattern with this team in taking guys in the 3-5 round range who "project" to eventually play left tackle. In two decades, there has been:

Oben - 96/3
Myles - 98/5
Hatch - 02/3
Koets - 07/6
Brewer - 11/4

I always think of Toby Myles as the archetype. We always had the Toby Myles slot reserved on the team for the mid-round developmental LT. I've yet to see it work out for us.



I feel like every year  
Bill L : 9/1/2015 4:47 pm : link
they go for the guy who they describe in their post-draft remarks as being athletic (or physically gifted) with untapped potential. Like they believe that by the time they get out of the 2nd or third round there are no known quality OL so the best strategy is lottery tickets who have great ceilings. Might just be my imagination though.
Crazy thing is how good we've drafted in the first round  
Deej : 9/1/2015 4:50 pm : link
Nicks was a true #1 WR. He was felled by injuries. JPP has been very good. Not a consistent superstar, but 42 sacks and good run D aint nothin. Prince has been a good corner when healthy. Wilson before injury was looking like exactly what you hoped he could be; I didnt like the idea of a change of pace back/returner at #32, but he was reaching his potential I believe. Pugh -- solid OL, should do better inside. The last two picks, ODB and Flowers, look like potential long term building blocks.
But in the first round there's usually less range  
Bill L : 9/1/2015 4:55 pm : link
everybody is well scouted and the field of available picks of a certain quality is narrower. Plus, you're less of a risk-taker. And often, you're filling a gap so the guy is almost a starter by default.
RE: But in the first round there's usually less range  
therealmf : 9/1/2015 5:17 pm : link
In comment 12447524 Bill L said:
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everybody is well scouted and the field of available picks of a certain quality is narrower. Plus, you're less of a risk-taker. And often, you're filling a gap so the guy is almost a starter by default.


According to this study [url} http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftology408_1.php {/url} Waterfootball puts the percentage of 1st round busts at 33%. He has some stringent guiedelines but maybe 1st round picks aren't as sure as we think or rather hope.
RE: But in the first round there's usually less range  
therealmf : 9/1/2015 5:19 pm : link
In comment 12447524 Bill L said:
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everybody is well scouted and the field of available picks of a certain quality is narrower. Plus, you're less of a risk-taker. And often, you're filling a gap so the guy is almost a starter by default.


According to this study Walterfootball.com puts the percentage of 1st round busts at 33%. He has some stringent guide lines but maybe 1st round picks aren't as sure as we think or rather hope.
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