the last preseason game to make cuts? You would figure with additional injuries likely to occur, and the limited playing time the starters will see, it would allow borderline players more playing time to make a favorable impression with their current team or at least get a bit more film.
Again, there are 4 days between cuts...and one or no practice. How is a team supposed to evaluate a player who can't even play in the last preseason game for their new team?
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Again, there are 4 days between cuts...and one or no practice. How is a team supposed to evaluate a player who can't even play in the last preseason game for their new team?
I get what you are saying, but Stevie Brown kind of contradicts it.
Again, there are 4 days between cuts...and one or no practice. How is a team supposed to evaluate a player who can't even play in the last preseason game for their new team?
Eric i am not talking a player that is undrafted rookie or a player that only has 1 or 2 years in the league...
I am talking the players that are veterans that have years on their resume and the team they were on knew they were not going to make the team...
Yes you see a lot of no names cut but you see more veterans cut during this cut period then the 2nd cut period...
Most teams will cut a veteran early rather than wait until the final cut..
would be that a lot of teams will actually wait until after week 1 to sign vets of his nature to fill out the last couple roster spots (unless they are desperate).
Its likely there will be a handful of players better than Stevie
I agree 100 percent. It's stupid. You're just asking for an important player to get hurt because of some dumb two-cut system.
Also agree. I was actually going to start a thread on why there are two sets of cuts, instead of just cutting all at once after the last preseason game.
Again, there are 4 days between cuts...and one or no practice. How is a team supposed to evaluate a player who can't even play in the last preseason game for their new team?
They are saying veterans, not UDFA rookies. Plenty of tape of the vets getting cut to evaluate.
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It took the Jets 2 months to realize Brewer was a complete waste. For some reason, it took the Giants 4 years.
LOL...and, remember, he's got left tackle feet, and he's done nothing but improve during those four years....If it weren't such a spot on indictment of this regime, it would almost be amusing...almost
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It took the Jets 2 months to realize Brewer was a complete waste. For some reason, it took the Giants 4 years.
LOL...and, remember, he's got left tackle feet, and he's done nothing but improve during those four years....If it weren't such a spot on indictment of this regime, it would almost be amusing...almost
You've got to keep in mind that maybe they knew how bad Brewer sucked but he was still better than the alternatives they had on the roster, which is just as big an indictment. Other than maybe McCants, what kind of talent has been around?
Of course he is going to get at least 3 years to prove himself. Thats not an indictment on the front office. Its a part of the process in developing drafted players.
Now granted, he never developed and that's a problem. Physically, he had everything you'd want out of a tackle and that's why he was drafted. But giving a player like that 4 years to get it together is not unheard of.
Signing as a free agent with the Jets or any team, I would expect a much shorter leash.
heh, I like Bill in UT's take on this better than yours, FatOne, lol.
You can look at it your way, Charlotte, and feign outrage at the ignorant fan base who dare chastise the FO for the way it has handled the draft and FA, but I look at it in terms of the four years' opportunity cost:
Somehow, 30 other teams were able to assemble offensive lines during the past four years, five players across--let's say four, because Brewer could not play C--so 120 players have been established as NFL caliber. But some O lines are worse than the Giants', but most have been better, can we agree on that? So, whether it's hidebound stubborness in keeping one of Jerry's picks around, or an inability to assess talent and cut the player if he doesn't have it, the Giants hung on to this guy for going on four years.
That's a long, long time for 120 OL other players who made it on to other teams' rosters in each year to have been rejected because we opted to keep Brewer. The coaching staff only played the guy when they had absolutely NO OTHER OPTION!!
You're right: you can't make this stuff up. How is it that none of these other low round draftees or FAs that populate other teams capable OLs never made it here? Finally, JR called his own bluff and began to draft them high to address the glaring deficiencies.
It's way more than another team cut one of our cuts.
maybe three years is not too long, maybe it is; maybe three-to-four years is reasonable with some clubs. My consistent take with Reese's drafts is that when players don't see the field with some significant playing time by year two, they just don't have it. I can't think of a significant exception, but I could be wrong.
I think the coaching staff is not playing them because they believe they can't cut it, although the Kuhn thing is worrying in reverse. It has not been that TC does not trust playing 1st or 2nd year players; by now, that much is clear.
Jury still out and GS is still well within a rational developmental timetable.
Except for idiot posters, what would you suppose the development time-frame for a college spread offense QB moving into an NFL standard offense should be? Add that it was one without healthy receiving talent until this year.
Brewer never showed anything with the Jets to change the slotting at RT. Giacomini was the returning starter - slotted with 1st unit. Qvale was on the PS for the Jets concentrating on RT last year - slotted with 2nd unit. Brewer was the new guy - slotted as the spare and remained with the 3rd unit.
Jury still out and GS is still well within a rational developmental timetable.
Except for idiot posters, what would you suppose the development time-frame for a college spread offense QB moving into an NFL standard offense should be? Add that it was one without healthy receiving talent until this year.
Brewer never showed anything with the Jets to change the slotting at RT. Giacomini was the returning starter - slotted with 1st unit. Qvale was on the PS for the Jets concentrating on RT last year - slotted with 2nd unit. Brewer was the new guy - slotted as the spare and remained with the 3rd unit.
I'm sorry you feel like it's irrational hatred. He's walking turnover, and also a knucklehead. 34 interceptions in 30 games, and that's not even counting all the fumbles.
develop or whether he showed how awful an OT he is by the Jets cutting him so quickly or whether we kept him on the roster too long or any other similar issue.
IMO the basic issue is why was he drafted in the first place with so many other good players drafted after him.
Brewer was drafted in the 4th Round of the 2011 Draft. The players drafted after Brewer in the 4th Round and STILL in the NFL as I write this are:
Malik Brown CB
Chris Prosinski CB
Chris Hairston OT
Bilal Powell RB
Roc Carmichael CB
Cortez Allen S and Starter
Julius Thomas TE and Starter
Davon House CB
Anthony Sherman FB
Buster Skrine CB and Starter
Marcus Cannon Patriots Swing OT
D. J. Williams TE
So, Brewer was drafted and released, but there are 13 players drafted after him who are still in the NFL, including 3 Starters and a Swing OT for the Patriots. Said another way, those 13 players constitute 1/3 of the entire 4th Round.
There is no way to sugar-coat it- a MASSIVE mistake by Reese because he had 13 opportunities to draft a NFL-quality player instead of drafting Brewer.
with Donnel, a better pass catcher (when he holds on to the football) than he is a blocker, and, on balance, he's in the game when it's more likely the Giants are going with a passing play, doesn't that tend to give defensive coordinators keys they would not otherwise have if a two-way (i.e., catching + blocking) TE, e.g., Cunningham were in? I don't know how Fauria stacks up that way.
drafting Brewer was the best move, but the analysis to support this is incredible.
We gave a young, raw player time to develop and he didn't, and then we moved on. Referencing the players taken after him is fairly useless. You can do the same for selected failed draft picks on any team.
By the way, who out of that lot behind him is going to make a massive impact in 2015? Pretty much all we are debating is the loss of a scrub. The assumption is if Brewer wasn't the pick, we'd have selected a consistent starter and contributor.
I know Fauria was playing as a second TE, but you'd think he would be given the opportunity to play more instead of the Lions going out and trading for a TE. THat would seem to indicate a lack of faith by the team.
Fauria is definitely more of a pass-catcher than a blocker
I expect several "waived/injured" so probably both!
They have to get rosters down by 4pm today.
why does the NFL do it this way?
Particularly for veterans.
It took the Jets 2 months to realize Brewer was a complete waste. For some reason, it took the Giants 4 years.
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It took the Jets 2 months to realize Brewer was a complete waste. For some reason, it took the Giants 4 years.
Geno Smith is still on the roster. This goes against your point.
Then teams evaluate whatever is left and make the next round of cuts...
Sometimes a player who makes it to the next round was not necassarily above a player who got cut in the first round...
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It took the Jets 2 months to realize Brewer was a complete waste. For some reason, it took the Giants 4 years.
Geno Smith is still on the roster. This goes against your point.
My point was about Brewer, nobody else.
I get what you are saying, but Stevie Brown kind of contradicts it.
Eric i am not talking a player that is undrafted rookie or a player that only has 1 or 2 years in the league...
I am talking the players that are veterans that have years on their resume and the team they were on knew they were not going to make the team...
Yes you see a lot of no names cut but you see more veterans cut during this cut period then the 2nd cut period...
Most teams will cut a veteran early rather than wait until the final cut..
Also agree. I was actually going to start a thread on why there are two sets of cuts, instead of just cutting all at once after the last preseason game.
They are saying veterans, not UDFA rookies. Plenty of tape of the vets getting cut to evaluate.
Seahawks signed Jackson, we signed Brown.
Thanks Shyster. I didn't know that.
It took the Jets 2 months to realize Brewer was a complete waste. For some reason, it took the Giants 4 years.
LOL...and, remember, he's got left tackle feet, and he's done nothing but improve during those four years....If it weren't such a spot on indictment of this regime, it would almost be amusing...almost
What a shocking indictment!
What future All-Pro was Brewer taking snaps away from here?
So now holding onto a depth player who gets cut elsewhere shows the staff is incompetent?
You really can't make some of this shit up.
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It took the Jets 2 months to realize Brewer was a complete waste. For some reason, it took the Giants 4 years.
LOL...and, remember, he's got left tackle feet, and he's done nothing but improve during those four years....If it weren't such a spot on indictment of this regime, it would almost be amusing...almost
You've got to keep in mind that maybe they knew how bad Brewer sucked but he was still better than the alternatives they had on the roster, which is just as big an indictment. Other than maybe McCants, what kind of talent has been around?
Now granted, he never developed and that's a problem. Physically, he had everything you'd want out of a tackle and that's why he was drafted. But giving a player like that 4 years to get it together is not unheard of.
Signing as a free agent with the Jets or any team, I would expect a much shorter leash.
You can look at it your way, Charlotte, and feign outrage at the ignorant fan base who dare chastise the FO for the way it has handled the draft and FA, but I look at it in terms of the four years' opportunity cost:
Somehow, 30 other teams were able to assemble offensive lines during the past four years, five players across--let's say four, because Brewer could not play C--so 120 players have been established as NFL caliber. But some O lines are worse than the Giants', but most have been better, can we agree on that? So, whether it's hidebound stubborness in keeping one of Jerry's picks around, or an inability to assess talent and cut the player if he doesn't have it, the Giants hung on to this guy for going on four years.
That's a long, long time for 120 OL other players who made it on to other teams' rosters in each year to have been rejected because we opted to keep Brewer. The coaching staff only played the guy when they had absolutely NO OTHER OPTION!!
You're right: you can't make this stuff up. How is it that none of these other low round draftees or FAs that populate other teams capable OLs never made it here? Finally, JR called his own bluff and began to draft them high to address the glaring deficiencies.
It's way more than another team cut one of our cuts.
I think the coaching staff is not playing them because they believe they can't cut it, although the Kuhn thing is worrying in reverse. It has not been that TC does not trust playing 1st or 2nd year players; by now, that much is clear.
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Except for idiot posters, what would you suppose the development time-frame for a college spread offense QB moving into an NFL standard offense should be? Add that it was one without healthy receiving talent until this year.
Brewer never showed anything with the Jets to change the slotting at RT. Giacomini was the returning starter - slotted with 1st unit. Qvale was on the PS for the Jets concentrating on RT last year - slotted with 2nd unit. Brewer was the new guy - slotted as the spare and remained with the 3rd unit.
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I liked LaCosse too but, because of his injury settlement, I don't think the Giants can re-sign him until at least Week 6 of the regular season.
Does that change if he is signed and released by another team?
Not as far as I know. That would raise problems of teams doing favors for one another.
I agree, Actually, Fauria might actually become our best TE
Except for idiot posters, what would you suppose the development time-frame for a college spread offense QB moving into an NFL standard offense should be? Add that it was one without healthy receiving talent until this year.
Brewer never showed anything with the Jets to change the slotting at RT. Giacomini was the returning starter - slotted with 1st unit. Qvale was on the PS for the Jets concentrating on RT last year - slotted with 2nd unit. Brewer was the new guy - slotted as the spare and remained with the 3rd unit.
I'm sorry you feel like it's irrational hatred. He's walking turnover, and also a knucklehead. 34 interceptions in 30 games, and that's not even counting all the fumbles.
Definitely, he's probably better than any TE we have inside the 20
Apparently he has 24 career receptions.
Donnell's a better player, even if he has his own faults.
Apparently he has 24 career receptions.
Donnell's a better player, even if he has his own faults.
Donnell also had a game like that against Washington... I'm not saying Fauria is better, but it's close
IMO the basic issue is why was he drafted in the first place with so many other good players drafted after him.
Brewer was drafted in the 4th Round of the 2011 Draft. The players drafted after Brewer in the 4th Round and STILL in the NFL as I write this are:
Malik Brown CB
Chris Prosinski CB
Chris Hairston OT
Bilal Powell RB
Roc Carmichael CB
Cortez Allen S and Starter
Julius Thomas TE and Starter
Davon House CB
Anthony Sherman FB
Buster Skrine CB and Starter
Marcus Cannon Patriots Swing OT
D. J. Williams TE
So, Brewer was drafted and released, but there are 13 players drafted after him who are still in the NFL, including 3 Starters and a Swing OT for the Patriots. Said another way, those 13 players constitute 1/3 of the entire 4th Round.
There is no way to sugar-coat it- a MASSIVE mistake by Reese because he had 13 opportunities to draft a NFL-quality player instead of drafting Brewer.
The mistakes by Reese keep adding up!!!
We gave a young, raw player time to develop and he didn't, and then we moved on. Referencing the players taken after him is fairly useless. You can do the same for selected failed draft picks on any team.
By the way, who out of that lot behind him is going to make a massive impact in 2015? Pretty much all we are debating is the loss of a scrub. The assumption is if Brewer wasn't the pick, we'd have selected a consistent starter and contributor.
That is terrible logic.
I know Fauria was playing as a second TE, but you'd think he would be given the opportunity to play more instead of the Lions going out and trading for a TE. THat would seem to indicate a lack of faith by the team.