FF thread 9-1

WINNING!!!!

getting Bell, Forte, and still getting Green though. Green is going to have a big bounce back year. He is still a top 6-7 WR so to get him and two top 10 backs is solid.

Had too drafts last night which was a major pain, ha.

Non PPR, 12 team league, had the 10th pick went WR/WR since we start 3 WR
QB-Stafford, Winston
RB-Ingram, Gore, Gurley, Foster, Sankey, Blue
WR- Megatron, Demaryius, Agholar, Fitzgerald,
TE- Watson
D- Dolphins

PPR - 10 team - had the 10th pick in this one as well
QB-Eli, Brady
RB- Miller, Forsett, Blount, Gurley, Sankey
WR-Megatron, Beckham, D. Adams, M. Bryant, B. Coleman, S. Johnson
TE- Watson
D - Rams

I picked a lot of suspended or injured guys i feel like in both, but they are such great value

How do you guys feel about Amari Cooper this year?

6th overall pick.

QB- Brady, Bridgewater
RB- L. Bell, Forsett, Ellington, Yeldon
WR- Megatron, Cooks, Cooper, Garcon
TE- Olsen
Kr- Tucker
Def- Zona

Plays 1qb, 3wr, 2rb, 1te. I am looking to upgrade a WR at the cost of one of my rb. Would feel a lot better if we had a flex position.

I picked him guessing he will get a lot of targets and Carr might force it his way to gain chemistry. They are the future of the team.

12 team PPR. I feel I did pretty well.

QB: Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick
RB: Tevin Coleman, Reggie Bush, Ryan Matthews
WR: Antonio Brown, OBJ, Roddy White
Flex: Victor Cruz, Charles Johnson, Oliver Branden
TE: Gronk, Larry Donnell
K: Justin Tucker
Def: Bills

this year, especially in PPR. I think his TD's will be limited but he should get a ton of targets/catches. Preseason is preseason but he got 9 targets in the first half last week. Plus OAK will probably be down often.

those RB's are a mess.

In comment 12446229 BamaBlue said:

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12 team PPR. I feel I did pretty well. QB: Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick RB: Tevin Coleman, Reggie Bush, Ryan Matthews WR: Antonio Brown, OBJ, Roddy White Flex: Victor Cruz, Charles Johnson, Oliver Branden TE: Gronk, Larry Donnell K: Justin Tucker Def: Bills

Tevin Coleman as a RB1? Yikes. Don't like the QB's, either.

Antonio/OBJ is a killer WR tandem and you got the best TE but you might have a long year with that RB group.

How did you land 3 top 10 maybe top 7 receivers in the league? Brown, OBJ, Gronk??!! high point Qb/Rb league??

doing some projections here are the possible scenarios:

1: C.J Anderson/ A.J Green/ Gronk
2.Cooks/Miller/McCoy/ Hopkins
3. Brees/Sanders/Adams/Stewart/Morris

I have T.y Hilton as a keeper for a 5th rder. I'm leaning on going C.J, Cooks, Stewart, then likely edelman in the 4th. What would you do?

QB- Eli, Brady
RB- Hill, Gore, Ivory, Abdullah, D. Johnson
WR- Bryant, Matthews, Robinson, Boldin, Royal
TE- Olsen, Eifert
D- Broncos
K- Tucker

Thoughts?

Solid all around

First draft was a 12 team non ppr league. I had the 6th overall pick.

QB - Rodgers
QB - Eli Manning

RB - Peterson (he was my first pick)
RB - Isaiah Crowell
RB - Jennings
RB - Matthews

WR - Evans
WR - Davante Adams
WR - Martavis Bryant
WR - Royal
WR - Bowe

TE - Daniels
DST - Kansas CIty

Kicker - Catanzaro


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2nd 10 team non ppr league. I had the 4th overall pick. I didn't select a QB in this draft until the 11th round.

QB - E. Manning
QB - Flacco

RB - Bell
RB - Hill
RB - Blue
RB - Gurley
RB - Spiller

WR - Hilton
WR - Matthews
WR - Marshall
WR - Funchess
WR - Cruz

TE - Thomas
DST - Baltimore
K - McManus

QB - Peyton (3)
RB (start 2) - AP (1), Abdullah (4), Bernard (7), Hillman (8)
WR (start 3) - Hopkins (2), Agholor (5), M. Bryant (6), Lafell (9), Ty Montgomery (11)
TE (start 1) - Gates (10), L. Green

Only pick I regret in hindsight is taking Peyton with Brandin Cooks still on the board. Typically people pick Qbs early in this draft so I wasn't even expecting Peyton to be there at #29 overall and I was having a hard time pre-draft parsing that next tier of WR's (Matthews, Hopkins, Evans, Cooks, E. Sanders) after the top 10 guys predictably went off the board late rd 1 early rd 2. Ultimately I decided to grab Manning because I think his demise is way overstated but in hindsight wish I'd just gone with Cooks and grabbed Rivers/Bradford/Cam late (they ended up going 8th round or later). There was a huge run on WR's before my next picks (4/5) which left me without many options so I had to reach for Agholor (pick 56). Also regret the Lafell pick because I didn't realize he could start the year on PUP list (f'ing Pats) but there weren't too many guys left at that point. Stevie Johnson probably would be the redo pick if I could. The owner of CJ Anderson wants Hillman bad so he's offered me Charles Johnson straight up for him, which I may do closer to the start of the season if it appears snaps may be limited for Montgomery.

In comment 12446281 Eric on Li said:

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QB - Peyton (3) RB (start 2) - AP (1), Abdullah (4), Bernard (7), Hillman (8) WR (start 3) - Hopkins (2), Agholor (5), M. Bryant (6), Lafell (9), Ty Montgomery (11) TE (start 1) - Gates (10), L. Green Only pick I regret in hindsight is taking Peyton with Brandin Cooks still on the board. Typically people pick Qbs early in this draft so I wasn't even expecting Peyton to be there at #29 overall and I was having a hard time pre-draft parsing that next tier of WR's (Matthews, Hopkins, Evans, Cooks, E. Sanders) after the top 10 guys predictably went off the board late rd 1 early rd 2. Ultimately I decided to grab Manning because I think his demise is way overstated but in hindsight wish I'd just gone with Cooks and grabbed Rivers/Bradford/Cam late (they ended up going 8th round or later). There was a huge run on WR's before my next picks (4/5) which left me without many options so I had to reach for Agholor (pick 56). Also regret the Lafell pick because I didn't realize he could start the year on PUP list (f'ing Pats) but there weren't too many guys left at that point. Stevie Johnson probably would be the redo pick if I could. The owner of CJ Anderson wants Hillman bad so he's offered me Charles Johnson straight up for him, which I may do closer to the start of the season if it appears snaps may be limited for Montgomery.

I'm not the best judge of 14 team leagues because I've never done one but your squad looks solid. Steve Johnson definitely would have been a better scoop than LaFell though.. a lot of people think Johnson is going to outperform his ADP by a fair margin and I tend to agree.

Looks like you went my route with the TE's haha. I actually think Green might surprise a lot of people before Gates gets back and if he doesn't, the job will be all Gates from then on out and he'll be a bargain anyway. That's how I look at it at least.

QB: Eli, Cam

RB: Lynch, Miller, Yeldon, Duke Johnson

WR: Cobb, VJax, Charles Johnson, Steve Smith, Perriman, Green-Beckham

TE: Olsen

I love that team in the OP btw. That team should dominate

QB-Wilson,Eli
RB-Lacy,Ellington,Stewart,Starks,David Johnson
WR-Hilton,Steve Smith,Amari Cooper,Allen Robinson,Decker,Kendall Wright
TE-Gronk,Donnell
D-Bills
K-Josh Brown

she had pick 12 non ppr start 2 rb/2wr/1 flex

Qb Brees, Flacco
RB Hill, Randle, Abdullah, Deangelo Williams, CJ2K (last pick no one left)
WR Jones, Landry, Robinson, Wright
TE Ertz, Rogers(??? she insisted on this one)
Def Buffalo
K Bailey

14 teams sucks. rbs go off the board like they were beer flavored titties!!

In comment 12446347 TheMick7 said:

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QB-Wilson,Eli RB-Lacy,Ellington,Stewart,Starks,David Johnson WR-Hilton,Steve Smith,Amari Cooper,Allen Robinson,Decker,Kendall Wright TE-Gronk,Donnell D-Bills K-Josh Brown

That team is very good. Curious how you got some of those players, I picked 5th as well in a non-ppr and some of those guys were well off the board. Well done

In comment 12446354 knicks3031 said:

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In comment 12446347 TheMick7 said: Quote: QB-Wilson,Eli RB-Lacy,Ellington,Stewart,Starks,David Johnson WR-Hilton,Steve Smith,Amari Cooper,Allen Robinson,Decker,Kendall Wright TE-Gronk,Donnell D-Bills K-Josh Brown That team is very good. Curious how you got some of those players, I picked 5th as well in a non-ppr and some of those guys were well off the board. Well done

thanks. Lacy(1),Gronk(2),Hilton(3),Ellington(4),Cooper(5),Stewart(6),
Wilson(7),Smith(8),Bills(9),Eli(10),Robinson(11),Decker(12),Johnson(13),Starks(14),Wright(15),Donnell(16),Brown(17)

Gronk went 10th overall, Hilton was the last pick in the 2nd, Cooper and Stewart went in the 4th.

How do you guys rank Alshon, TY and Cooks in a .5 ppr?

His ADP is the 5-6th round

Yeah, Allen Robinson in the 11th is ridiculous. I got him in the 7th and thought that was good value.

In comment 12446281 Eric on Li said:

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QB - Peyton (3) RB (start 2) - AP (1), Abdullah (4), Bernard (7), Hillman (8) WR (start 3) - Hopkins (2), Agholor (5), M. Bryant (6), Lafell (9), Ty Montgomery (11) TE (start 1) - Gates (10), L. Green Only pick I regret in hindsight is taking Peyton with Brandin Cooks still on the board. Typically people pick Qbs early in this draft so I wasn't even expecting Peyton to be there at #29 overall and I was having a hard time pre-draft parsing that next tier of WR's (Matthews, Hopkins, Evans, Cooks, E. Sanders) after the top 10 guys predictably went off the board late rd 1 early rd 2. Ultimately I decided to grab Manning because I think his demise is way overstated but in hindsight wish I'd just gone with Cooks and grabbed Rivers/Bradford/Cam late (they ended up going 8th round or later). There was a huge run on WR's before my next picks (4/5) which left me without many options so I had to reach for Agholor (pick 56). Also regret the Lafell pick because I didn't realize he could start the year on PUP list (f'ing Pats) but there weren't too many guys left at that point. Stevie Johnson probably would be the redo pick if I could. The owner of CJ Anderson wants Hillman bad so he's offered me Charles Johnson straight up for him, which I may do closer to the start of the season if it appears snaps may be limited for Montgomery.

I think I would accept that trade of Charles Johnson for Hillman. I think Johnson has a great year. He is by far Minnesota's best WR. The problem is that you are extremely thin at RB. I really dont see the value in Abdullah at all. He had one good run this preseason. Zenner has been head and shoulders more productive than him. Abdullah will be splitting touches with Bell and Riddick in a pass happy offense. That is just my opinion.

In comment 12446353 superspynyg said:

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she had pick 12 non ppr start 2 rb/2wr/1 flex Qb Brees, Flacco RB Hill, Randle, Abdullah, Deangelo Williams, CJ2K (last pick no one left) WR Jones, Landry, Robinson, Wright TE Ertz, Rogers(??? she insisted on this one) Def Buffalo K Bailey 14 teams sucks. rbs go off the board like they were beer flavored titties!!

Hahaha, that is my new favorite line.

I could see putting Hilton first. I just think Cooks will be targeted much more often. Jeffery can be a stud but I have concerns about him being the number one guy in this new offense with little help at WR. He does have Bennett and Forte helping but he also has Cutler throwing him the ball. If it were last year them I would probably put Jeffery above them but it isnt.

in adding Juwan Thompson? the cost (who I drop) would be Zack Zenner.

I read Thompson surpassed Ball on the depth chart (and Ball is a potential cut) which leaves Thompson after Hillman and the #1 CJ Anderson.

I like Hillman, but he's like 5' 8 and not an MJD 5' 8" closer to a Sproles 5' 8" but not an every down back IMO.

In comment 12446453 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 12446281 Eric on Li said: Quote: QB - Peyton (3) RB (start 2) - AP (1), Abdullah (4), Bernard (7), Hillman (8) WR (start 3) - Hopkins (2), Agholor (5), M. Bryant (6), Lafell (9), Ty Montgomery (11) TE (start 1) - Gates (10), L. Green Only pick I regret in hindsight is taking Peyton with Brandin Cooks still on the board. Typically people pick Qbs early in this draft so I wasn't even expecting Peyton to be there at #29 overall and I was having a hard time pre-draft parsing that next tier of WR's (Matthews, Hopkins, Evans, Cooks, E. Sanders) after the top 10 guys predictably went off the board late rd 1 early rd 2. Ultimately I decided to grab Manning because I think his demise is way overstated but in hindsight wish I'd just gone with Cooks and grabbed Rivers/Bradford/Cam late (they ended up going 8th round or later). There was a huge run on WR's before my next picks (4/5) which left me without many options so I had to reach for Agholor (pick 56). Also regret the Lafell pick because I didn't realize he could start the year on PUP list (f'ing Pats) but there weren't too many guys left at that point. Stevie Johnson probably would be the redo pick if I could. The owner of CJ Anderson wants Hillman bad so he's offered me Charles Johnson straight up for him, which I may do closer to the start of the season if it appears snaps may be limited for Montgomery. I think I would accept that trade of Charles Johnson for Hillman. I think Johnson has a great year. He is by far Minnesota's best WR. The problem is that you are extremely thin at RB. I really dont see the value in Abdullah at all. He had one good run this preseason. Zenner has been head and shoulders more productive than him. Abdullah will be splitting touches with Bell and Riddick in a pass happy offense. That is just my opinion.

I think you're underselling Abdullah a bit. He's likely the most talented back in that backfield. He won't get all the touches but I think he'll make more of them than Bell or Riddick do and his usage will rise as the year goes on. I bet he will be a legit RB2 by mid season.

In comment 12446502 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 12446453 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 12446281 Eric on Li said: Quote: QB - Peyton (3) RB (start 2) - AP (1), Abdullah (4), Bernard (7), Hillman (8) WR (start 3) - Hopkins (2), Agholor (5), M. Bryant (6), Lafell (9), Ty Montgomery (11) TE (start 1) - Gates (10), L. Green Only pick I regret in hindsight is taking Peyton with Brandin Cooks still on the board. Typically people pick Qbs early in this draft so I wasn't even expecting Peyton to be there at #29 overall and I was having a hard time pre-draft parsing that next tier of WR's (Matthews, Hopkins, Evans, Cooks, E. Sanders) after the top 10 guys predictably went off the board late rd 1 early rd 2. Ultimately I decided to grab Manning because I think his demise is way overstated but in hindsight wish I'd just gone with Cooks and grabbed Rivers/Bradford/Cam late (they ended up going 8th round or later). There was a huge run on WR's before my next picks (4/5) which left me without many options so I had to reach for Agholor (pick 56). Also regret the Lafell pick because I didn't realize he could start the year on PUP list (f'ing Pats) but there weren't too many guys left at that point. Stevie Johnson probably would be the redo pick if I could. The owner of CJ Anderson wants Hillman bad so he's offered me Charles Johnson straight up for him, which I may do closer to the start of the season if it appears snaps may be limited for Montgomery. I think I would accept that trade of Charles Johnson for Hillman. I think Johnson has a great year. He is by far Minnesota's best WR. The problem is that you are extremely thin at RB. I really dont see the value in Abdullah at all. He had one good run this preseason. Zenner has been head and shoulders more productive than him. Abdullah will be splitting touches with Bell and Riddick in a pass happy offense. That is just my opinion. I think you're underselling Abdullah a bit. He's likely the most talented back in that backfield. He won't get all the touches but I think he'll make more of them than Bell or Riddick do and his usage will rise as the year goes on. I bet he will be a legit RB2 by mid season.

I agree 100% about Abdullah. At worst he'll put up Reggie Bush Lion production. I was thrilled I was able to get him seventh round.

at picks 9 and 12 in 10 team league

Its standard scoring but I cant figure out the best value of combos

I do know I want to snag a top WR like Beckham,Dez,Julio at 9

however at 12 is where I cant decide
do I double dip and grab a 2nd receiver like demaryius or calvin or aj green or do I go RB Jeremy hill CJ Anderson

or maybe snag Luck or Rodgers

if I go 2 recievers at 9 and 12 the rbs I will have left in 3rd and 4th round are rbs like
jonathan stewart frank gore mark ingram Alfred morris Latavius Murray

Hill or Anderson with a top Wr you do it and you do not look back especially in standard league...

for his overall outlook (resting him and treating him like a locked in starter not a rookie). Maybe Joique Bell is Fred Jackson re-incarnated and able to continually squeeze out production despite injuries but he really doesn't have even half a step to lose. The way I looked at it was that his offense was able to generate production for 3 RBs last year and AA is more talented and explosive than all of them.

The decision at that spot in the draft was between AA, Spiller, D. Martin and Ivory. Pre-preseason I would have gone Spiller no doubt but the surgery gave me some pause. Ivory and Martin seem like safer bets to be productive but their potential is limited by being on worse teams/offenses. Abdullah seemed to have the most upside so I went for it. I also like Gio Bernard a lot. Remember this is a 14 team league so 28 RBs start each week and during bye weeks you're into the 30's.

Is it crazy to take Beckham @ 4 in a 12 team PPR if Antonio Brown and Bell are both off the board?

If Beckham stays healthy, I think he's almost a lock to catch 100+ passes and be a top 3 fantasy WR. I think I can get Forsett or Miller in the 2nd round if I do it and I think the value is justified if he puts up the type of numbers I think he will.

In comment 12446240 KJG5173 said:

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RE: BamaHow did you land 3 top 10 maybe top 7 receivers in the league? Brown, OBJ, Gronk??!! high point Qb/Rb league??

There was a feeding frenzy on RB then QB's... while that was going on, I grabbed the receivers. My logic is that RB's get hurt all the time. I'm willing to accept some risk there, especially in a PPR league. QB's are a little tougher... Bradford is still available on waivers, I might replace Kaepernick with him (I'm hanging-on to Cam Newton).

In comment 12446876 BamaBlue said:

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In comment 12446240 KJG5173 said: Quote: RE: BamaHow did you land 3 top 10 maybe top 7 receivers in the league? Brown, OBJ, Gronk??!! high point Qb/Rb league?? There was a feeding frenzy on RB then QB's... while that was going on, I grabbed the receivers. My logic is that RB's get hurt all the time. I'm willing to accept some risk there, especially in a PPR league. QB's are a little tougher... Bradford is still available on waivers, I might replace Kaepernick with him (I'm hanging-on to Cam Newton).

I'd take Braford over Kap. SF has a chance to be one of the worst offenses with all the turnover. Lost some good o-linemen, new RB, new WRs, new coach. I get the rushing yards but Bradford can be an elite fantasy QB in that offense. Assuming health he is a much better QB than Foles.

Bradford over Kaepernick is a no brainer. Should have just drafted him instead.

In comment 12446666 arcarsenal said:

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Is it crazy to take Beckham @ 4 in a 12 team PPR if Antonio Brown and Bell are both off the board? If Beckham stays healthy, I think he's almost a lock to catch 100+ passes and be a top 3 fantasy WR. I think I can get Forsett or Miller in the 2nd round if I do it and I think the value is justified if he puts up the type of numbers I think he will.

I dont think it is crazy but i think guys like Charles, Lacy, Lynch are safer bets...Lacy with Nelson out may be used more...Charles in a PPR league is huge because he runs the ball and catches out of the backfield...

Lynch is a td machine and they are going to continue to run the ball...

In comment 12446912 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 12446666 arcarsenal said: Quote: Is it crazy to take Beckham @ 4 in a 12 team PPR if Antonio Brown and Bell are both off the board? If Beckham stays healthy, I think he's almost a lock to catch 100+ passes and be a top 3 fantasy WR. I think I can get Forsett or Miller in the 2nd round if I do it and I think the value is justified if he puts up the type of numbers I think he will. I dont think it is crazy but i think guys like Charles, Lacy, Lynch are safer bets...Lacy with Nelson out may be used more...Charles in a PPR league is huge because he runs the ball and catches out of the backfield... Lynch is a td machine and they are going to continue to run the ball...

Charles is the guy I'd strongly consider instead. I just took Lacy @ 5 overall in my 10 team .5 PPR and I think I just don't want to put myself in a position where if he gets hurt, I am screwed in both of my leagues.

Lynch I am not crazy about @ 4 overall in PPR. I don't think the value is there. There's also Peterson but I'm hesitant to spend another 1st rd pick on him after I did last year in this same league and got screwed.. even if it's irrational.

I'm trying to really use a value-based drafting approach for this and the numbers are actually telling me to take Beckham @ 4 if Brown and Bell are both off the board.

I think there's actually a slight "undervaluing" aspect of Odell in fantasy this year because people can't convince themselves that a) his performance last year is repeatable and b) that he won't get hurt.

But what if it is and what if he doesn't? What if he gets even better? He flat out carried my team to a title last year and if he performs like that again this year, the same thing could happen.

If Beckham paced out the same numbers as last year in 2015, he'd be a top 5 pick next year without a doubt.

I could also just be trying too hard to convince myself here.

In comment 12446607 nygiants16 said:

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Hill or Anderson with a top Wr you do it and you do not look back especially in standard league...

In an auction draft, I got hill and anderson to go along with cobb, evans, and hilton!

i have Bell Brown and Beckham as my top 3 wants in first round....I just think those RBs are hard to pass on but being 4-6 is kind of being in no mans land in 12 team...

I just did a 12 team mock standard pick 12...what do you guys think?

Qb Rodgers
Rb AP, Yeldon, Bernard, Blue, Sims
Wr Jones, Cooks, Hopkins, Robinson, Royal
Te Fleener
K Tucker
Def Chargers

I dont think it was to bad, Rodgers i couldnt pass on late 3rd round...

QB: Peyton/Dalton
RB: Lacy/Ivory/Bernard/Gurley/McFadden
WR: A. Johnson/D Adams/Colston/S. Smith/P. Dorsett
TE: Cook/Ebron/H. Miller
K: Vinatieri
D: Texans

If Gurley & Adams produce, I may be onto something. I was targeting Luck @ #5, but he went one slot ahead of mine, Lacy should be a very steady RB.

In comment 12446965 drkenneth said:

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QB: Peyton/Dalton RB: Lacy/Ivory/Bernard/Gurley/McFadden WR: A. Johnson/D Adams/Colston/S. Smith/P. Dorsett TE: Cook/Ebron/H. Miller K: Vinatieri D: Texans If Gurley & Adams produce, I may be onto something. I was targeting Luck @ #5, but he went one slot ahead of mine, Lacy should be a very steady RB.

Really do not like your team sorry...

Peyton could still be good, but he is not going to carry a team anymore, all signs point to a more running offense built around Anderson...

Lacy is your stud and should be good, i like Lacy this year...Ivory is a good RB2 they should run the ball a lot..

I dont like Gurley this year i do not see him doing much until maybe later in the season, he is still working his way back and they still have mason..Mcfadden is an injury waiting to happen..

A. Johnson/D Adams/Colston/S. Smith/P. Dorsett

Andre should be ok he has lost a step but he could be a good security blanket for Luck, not a number 1 though...

Adams is going to get more reps and more production but he has a lot to prove still...

Colston is finished, i do not think he has much left...

Smith is a good number 4 WR and with perriman struggling, smith should still get the targets...

Tight ends are awful, Cook has good games and then drops off the face of the earth for weeks at a time, Ebron has been a dissapointment, and miller is a good safety net for Ben but with those weapons he just doesnt get the targets..

In comment 12446949 arcarsenal said:

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I think there's actually a slight "undervaluing" aspect of Odell in fantasy this year because people can't convince themselves that a) his performance last year is repeatable and b) that he won't get hurt. But what if it is and what if he doesn't? What if he gets even better? He flat out carried my team to a title last year and if he performs like that again this year, the same thing could happen. If Beckham paced out the same numbers as last year in 2015, he'd be a top 5 pick next year without a doubt. I could also just be trying too hard to convince myself here.

Well the reason he carried you to a title is because you picked him off the waivers or close to the end of the draft. You essentially got an additional elite fantasy player compared to everyone else in your league. ODB and CJ Anderson were the two most commonly owned players among fantasy winners last year. Had they been drafted in the first two rounds, that probably would not have been the case (or it would have to a lesser extent).

But that's not necessarily an argument against Odell. Personally, my 2nd round pick came between me choosing Megatron or Odell. I took Megatron because I know for certain that he will be a monster when healthy. He's not much more of a safer bet to stay healthy than Odell. It would be less surprising if Calvin had a season with 1300 yards and 10 TDs this year than Odell IMO, just because I've seen it so many times.

If Odell is covered significantly more this year, Cruz is at 75% or better, Vereen plays the majority of 3rd downs, the run first mentality continues and Randle continues improvement, the ball can easily be spread out evenly. Sure, ODB might still get at least 1100 yards and 6 TDs, but that value in the 1st or 2nd round is actually subpar. I KNOW what the Lions offense is. The Lions are run averse. When Megatron is in, its Megatrons team. When Calvin was healthy and played, Golden Tate was useless. When Megatron was out, Tate was a monster. Stafford relies on his #1 and throws for nearly 5k yards a year. Nearly half of those go to his top WRs. I think Megatron's ceiling is just as high as ODB's and his floor is higher as well.

Thing is, we still don't know if Cruz will be Cruz or not and I think this team is going to be playing catch up in a lot of games. Eli is going to have to throw a lot and I don't think Odell was really sneaking up on anyone towards the end of last year. I just don't think anyone can cover him 1 on 1 and I think he's a truly special talent. I don't think anything about last year was fluky.

Ideally it's a moot point and Antonio Brown is there at 4 and I just take him.

My bigger dilemma is whether to take Olsen near the end of rd 4 where I know I can get him or risk waiting until early rd 5 where it's very possible I don't. I am fine if Kelce falls to me but I want to get one of those two guys because I got stuck in TE no mans land in my last draft and would rather not end up in that position again.

In comment 12447083 arcarsenal said:

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Thing is, we still don't know if Cruz will be Cruz or not and I think this team is going to be playing catch up in a lot of games. Eli is going to have to throw a lot and I don't think Odell was really sneaking up on anyone towards the end of last year. I just don't think anyone can cover him 1 on 1 and I think he's a truly special talent. I don't think anything about last year was fluky. Ideally it's a moot point and Antonio Brown is there at 4 and I just take him. My bigger dilemma is whether to take Olsen near the end of rd 4 where I know I can get him or risk waiting until early rd 5 where it's very possible I don't. I am fine if Kelce falls to me but I want to get one of those two guys because I got stuck in TE no mans land in my last draft and would rather not end up in that position again.

I personally don't care much for TE. Outside of Gronk and Graham, there are no absolute standout talents and there top TEs outside two are hard to predict. Always some "sleepers" that fill up the top TE. I picked up Dwayne Allen and Gates towards the end. Rather have a pick in the top 7 rounds that pans out and becomes a trade piece. At least in my league it seems that people are much more eager to part with a good TE than a good RB for obvious reasons so I tend to go in that path. Plus, I think Gates and Allen are by far the two best red zone threats on their respective teams. Andre hasn't really been a TD guy in recent years, Hilton struggles mightily in that area, and Fleener isn't much of anything outside a good athlete. Gates is the best receiver on his team so I think I'm set once he comes off from suspension.

Insanely deep 12 team draft. 1 QB 1 RB 2 WR 2 Flex 1 TE 1 K IDP (2 at each slot) 16 reserve slots. PPR.

QB - Romo, Tannehill, Osweiler
RB - Bell, Freeman, Vereen, Andre Williams, Denard Robinson, Chris Polk
WR - TY Hilton, Jordan Matthews, Landry, D Adams, Funchess, Cruz, Paul Richardson, Devin Smith, Marquess Wilson
TE - Kyle Rudolph, Virgil Green
K - Walsh
DL - Wilkerson, Ansah, Sheldon Richardson
LB - Barr, Ogletree, Kerrigan
DB - Cyprien, Vaccaro, Rambo

In comment 12447126 Doubledeuce22 said:

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Insanely deep 12 team draft. 1 QB 1 RB 2 WR 2 Flex 1 TE 1 K IDP (2 at each slot) 16 reserve slots. PPR. QB - Romo, Tannehill, Osweiler RB - Bell, Freeman, Vereen, Andre Williams, Denard Robinson, Chris Polk WR - TY Hilton, Jordan Matthews, Landry, D Adams, Funchess, Cruz, Paul Richardson, Devin Smith, Marquess Wilson TE - Kyle Rudolph, Virgil Green K - Walsh DL - Wilkerson, Ansah, Sheldon Richardson LB - Barr, Ogletree, Kerrigan DB - Cyprien, Vaccaro, Rambo

Wow, wouldn't even know how to evaluate that deep of a league. Never even heard of those last few WRs. So are waivers filled with guys that aren't even on NFL rosters?

In comment 12447122 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 12447083 arcarsenal said: Quote: Thing is, we still don't know if Cruz will be Cruz or not and I think this team is going to be playing catch up in a lot of games. Eli is going to have to throw a lot and I don't think Odell was really sneaking up on anyone towards the end of last year. I just don't think anyone can cover him 1 on 1 and I think he's a truly special talent. I don't think anything about last year was fluky. Ideally it's a moot point and Antonio Brown is there at 4 and I just take him. My bigger dilemma is whether to take Olsen near the end of rd 4 where I know I can get him or risk waiting until early rd 5 where it's very possible I don't. I am fine if Kelce falls to me but I want to get one of those two guys because I got stuck in TE no mans land in my last draft and would rather not end up in that position again. I personally don't care much for TE. Outside of Gronk and Graham, there are no absolute standout talents and there top TEs outside two are hard to predict. Always some "sleepers" that fill up the top TE. I picked up Dwayne Allen and Gates towards the end. Rather have a pick in the top 7 rounds that pans out and becomes a trade piece. At least in my league it seems that people are much more eager to part with a good TE than a good RB for obvious reasons so I tend to go in that path. Plus, I think Gates and Allen are by far the two best red zone threats on their respective teams. Andre hasn't really been a TD guy in recent years, Hilton struggles mightily in that area, and Fleener isn't much of anything outside a good athlete. Gates is the best receiver on his team so I think I'm set once he comes off from suspension.

I wound up with Gates in my 10 team and then I got Ladarius a few rounds later to use until he's back. I don't know if I want to rely on that again. Odds are I will wait until the 5th rd and if Olsen or Kelce are there, I will take them. If not, I won't.. 4th is too early, I've figured out that much

I just did a 15 round 12 team PPR mock where I took Kelce in the 5th and this is my team..

Eli, Newton
Forsett, Gore, Vereen, Hillman, Helu
Antonio Brown, Cooper, John Brown, Steve Johnson
Kelce, Gates
Carolina
Bailey

I'd be pretty happy with that team I think

In comment 12447126 Doubledeuce22 said:

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Insanely deep 12 team draft. 1 QB 1 RB 2 WR 2 Flex 1 TE 1 K IDP (2 at each slot) 16 reserve slots. PPR. QB - Romo, Tannehill, Osweiler RB - Bell, Freeman, Vereen, Andre Williams, Denard Robinson, Chris Polk WR - TY Hilton, Jordan Matthews, Landry, D Adams, Funchess, Cruz, Paul Richardson, Devin Smith, Marquess Wilson TE - Kyle Rudolph, Virgil Green K - Walsh DL - Wilkerson, Ansah, Sheldon Richardson LB - Barr, Ogletree, Kerrigan DB - Cyprien, Vaccaro, Rambo

That sounds miserable. Couldn't pay me to do a league with a 30 round draft

Took about 3 hours.

12 team league, 0.5 ppr. Start 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 non-QB flex, 1 TE, 1 K and 1 Def Here's my team:

QB: E. Manning/S. Bradford
RB: R. Jennings/T. Gurley/A. Ellington/L. Blount/A. Williams
WR: A. Brown/J. Jones/L. Fitzgerald/D. Parker
TE: J. Graham/T. Eifert
K: J. Brown
Def: Rams

I picked 7th overall.

I'm in a 14 person league. WhT do you guys think of Matt Jones? Is he merely an insurance policy hoping for an injury (Morris)?

Starting Jeremy Hill but beyond that I'm screwed.

Blount suspended
Tre Mason injured
Charles Sim backing up Martin
Duke Johnson already injured

I dropped Johnson for Boobie Dixon since Jackson was cut, but looking for someone better. Maybe Bennie Cunningham if both Mason and Gurley are out?

so pretty slim. Knile Davis was dropped and on waivers... Branden Oliver and Daniel Herron are out there too.