would be saying oh it is only preseason it doesnt matter how good they have looked, preseason doesnt count...
True, pre-season doesn't count in assessing MOVING FORWARD..It's for evaluation of 90 players to get to the best 46..It's for getting(if possible) into hitting shape..
would be saying oh it is only preseason it doesnt matter how good they have looked, preseason doesnt count...
True, pre-season doesn't count in assessing MOVING FORWARD..It's for evaluation of 90 players to get to the best 46..It's for getting(if possible) into hitting shape..
that a large portion of people here like to shit on the team. They like to bash players, management and coaches. They like to pick individual plays out to make sweeping comments about. they minimize successes and focus on the negatives.
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
that a large portion of people here like to shit on the team. They like to bash players, management and coaches. They like to pick individual plays out to make sweeping comments about. they minimize successes and focus on the negatives.
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
You already mentioned it. Those people are a.) spoiled or b.) wanna be assclowns because they can.
He's not all that optimistic to date, but always leaves the room for improvement..I may disagree with some of his outlook, but he ALWAYS gives reasons why he feels that way..He doesn't rant..That's how a board is supposed to look TO ME..
that a large portion of people here like to shit on the team. They like to bash players, management and coaches. They like to pick individual plays out to make sweeping comments about. they minimize successes and focus on the negatives.
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
+1.
I've always been an optimistic fan, but understand why many are pessimistic. But some actually seem to wish the Giants fail so they can crow about it
projected 1st teamers displayed continuity, gaining yardage on offense, getting 1st downs and defense looked active and fast, then yes, I would feel better entering the season regardless if we were 3-0, or 0-3 in the preseason ...
doesn't apply. More excited for the season to start? Sure. The 2015 games so far don't count. We all know they're meaningless once the regular season starts. But there is a lack of reality about how terrible the Giants have been in their last 40 regular season games. They've won 16 of the 40 but most of the wins were against the very bottom of the NFL and/or 3rd string QB's. That's a big NFL sample size. I can only speak for myself but what I'm seeing so far in 2015 from the starters is a regression to even more terrible. So instead of being able to beat the very bottom teams or 3rd string QB's the Giants appear to have sunk to the very bottom. Maybe it's just pre season and once the games count the Giants will play very differently but the last 40 games say it's unlikely. The Giants are trending toward a catastrophic season.
but the fact of the matter is that football is football.
It's "Basic Skills" month. Players need to show that against other teams, they can run, pass, block, catch, etc. Sans one drive against the Jets that would have ended in a short FG, had it not been for a penalty against the Jets, the Giants grade out at a "D minus", perhaps a "D". The #1's have not shown an ability to perform basic skills against other teams and it's very alarming at the least. There seems to be some sense of security on coming up with excuses. Excuses like the naysayers are "bad fans", that the "games don't count" and they are not "showing everything".....
Being a naysayer doesn't make me a bad fan, it makes me a realist. I love my Giants and always will. It's frustrating to watch the team get abused every week. Different people deal with the same situations differently, it doesn't make us bad fans.
Preseason is an illusion and far from reality since the final roster is yet to be determined and the actual starters have not necessarily played together and gelled. BBI posters would be freaking out no matter what the pre-season outcomes were.
The fact of the matter is, we don't yet know what will happen with the final roster. While there are a lot of holes, I still see some potential in that perhaps the Giants offense could be good enough to outscore the points allowed by the defense. And I personally feel a lot more confident in the coaching staff now (Quinn excluded) than I have in a while.
Hope springs eternal but I am not holding my breath for more than an 8-8 season.
doesn't apply. More excited for the season to start? Sure. The 2015 games so far don't count. We all know they're meaningless once the regular season starts. But there is a lack of reality about how terrible the Giants have been in their last 40 regular season games. They've won 16 of the 40 but most of the wins were against the very bottom of the NFL and/or 3rd string QB's. That's a big NFL sample size. I can only speak for myself but what I'm seeing so far in 2015 from the starters is a regression to even more terrible. So instead of being able to beat the very bottom teams or 3rd string QB's the Giants appear to have sunk to the very bottom. Maybe it's just pre season and once the games count the Giants will play very differently but the last 40 games say it's unlikely. The Giants are trending toward a catastrophic season.
And YOUR lack of reality is us setting all-time injury records the last two years, especially to, as FMiC says, cluster groups(positions)...Fortunately it's (hopefully) cyclical and we are due(again hopefully) a break..This is not the entire story, but certainly an important one..Think before you post your "certainties."
the optimists are using the red herring of the preseason Â
to try to diminish the view of those who have watched the last two seasons of terrible football and, accounting for offseason changes which include the loss of the teams best defender, predict more of the same.
RE: the optimists are using the red herring of the preseason Â
to try to diminish the view of those who have watched the last two seasons of terrible football and, accounting for offseason changes which include the loss of the teams best defender, predict more of the same.
Van you and buford elope and then jump off a cliff?
that a large portion of people here like to shit on the team. They like to bash players, management and coaches. They like to pick individual plays out to make sweeping comments about. they minimize successes and focus on the negatives.
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
A billion dollar business is a strange cause to repeatedly get all white knight about.
I have a hard time being one after after being 7-9,and 6-10 the last two years and our starters looking like crap in the preseason. If folks here find that reason for optimism,good for you.
I'm not blind to the fact that we've struggled during the preseason Â
But to jump from that to "this season's over" is a big leap, considering how I've seen teams change from one week to the next.
And for the people who say the Giants "just don't have the talent," I'd argue that the same could be said in 07, when we ran James Butler & Gibril Wilson out as our starting safeties and rookie Aaron Ross along with old-timer Sam Madison out as our 1 & 2 CBs.
It's a message board and in our own way we want the Giants to win and be exciting to watch so I don't mean to be disrespectful. But what you've seen so far this year has broken the injury cycle? I mean seriously what are you watching? Starting LT out for at least half the season. Best DL out for at least half the season. Center hurt. RG still not 100%. MLB hurt again as usual. Cruz still injured. Safeties and back up DB's falling daily. The injury list might actually be worse than the past 2 years so far before they even play a regular season game.
It's a message board and in our own way we want the Giants to win and be exciting to watch so I don't mean to be disrespectful. But what you've seen so far this year has broken the injury cycle? I mean seriously what are you watching? Starting LT out for at least half the season. Best DL out for at least half the season. Center hurt. RG still not 100%. MLB hurt again as usual. Cruz still injured. Safeties and back up DB's falling daily. The injury list might actually be worse than the past 2 years so far before they even play a regular season game.
arnie, SO FAR, the injuries we've sustained are mostly to backups..Yes, not thrilling, but at least, for now our projected starters appear reasonably healthy. I can live with that as these types of injuries are common around the league..athe last two years were not common imv, not by a long shot..
If it stays like this (in the main) I would have very few excuses to offer should our season go south..We are obviously thin at S, but tor now, that most likely can be filled by our future signings..
I think that it's a given that their record has absolutely Â
nothing to do with how happy BBIer's are. Clearly about a lack of talent on defense, and a sluggish offense that may not hit it's stride until it's too late.
The key qualification in the question is "looked great." Hell yeah I'd be excited about players who consistently look great in preseason games, as I was with Cruz a few years back. Sometimes, you actually can tell when a player actually has a decent chance to be a player. Sometimes, preseason performance actually isn't utterly meaningless!
Here's an easy, glaring example I can think of: I watched a Raiders preseason game a few weeks ago in which a Trent Richardson play was entirely emblematic of Trent Richardson's career to date. I think the play actually got a lot of national exposure because of how bad it was. An absolutely gaping whole opened to the left, and Trent Richardson cut to the right and, I dunno, ran into the back of his guard or something. Even had that play occurred in week one of Richardson's career you'd think, "Whoa, that ain't a good sign." Your fears might have been assuaged by the "it's just preseason" argument but they'd ultimately be corroborated by future performance.
It's a message board and in our own way we want the Giants to win and be exciting to watch so I don't mean to be disrespectful. But what you've seen so far this year has broken the injury cycle? I mean seriously what are you watching? Starting LT out for at least half the season. Best DL out for at least half the season. Center hurt. RG still not 100%. MLB hurt again as usual. Cruz still injured. Safeties and back up DB's falling daily. The injury list might actually be worse than the past 2 years so far before they even play a regular season game.
arnie, SO FAR, the injuries we've sustained are mostly to backups..Yes, not thrilling, but at least, for now our projected starters appear reasonably healthy. I can live with that as these types of injuries are common around the league..athe last two years were not common imv, not by a long shot..
If it stays like this (in the main) I would have very few excuses to offer should our season go south..We are obviously thin at S, but tor now, that most likely can be filled by our future signings..
Cruz, RR, Richburg, Prince, Beason, Schwartz, JPP ... these guys are not backups
None of these injuries are serious or season-enders which was my point..What has killed us the last few years have been the season-enders or if not, solid players(like DRC) had to gut it out the whole year at less than their normal efficiency..The injuries you list are common with most teams..I'm not concerned about that, because they're par for the league-wide course imo
get it through your head that the case for pessimism is not in the final score.
Those of us that are negative have seen nothing to get excited over from the first team. The defense - the offense - both have stunk up the place. I'm not talking about didn't play up to their capabilities or were a little sluggish. They were horrible.
That's the reason we're all worried about having to suffer through another losing season.
It's a message board and in our own way we want the Giants to win and be exciting to watch so I don't mean to be disrespectful. But what you've seen so far this year has broken the injury cycle? I mean seriously what are you watching? Starting LT out for at least half the season. Best DL out for at least half the season. Center hurt. RG still not 100%. MLB hurt again as usual. Cruz still injured. Safeties and back up DB's falling daily. The injury list might actually be worse than the past 2 years so far before they even play a regular season game.
arnie, SO FAR, the injuries we've sustained are mostly to backups..Yes, not thrilling, but at least, for now our projected starters appear reasonably healthy. I can live with that as these types of injuries are common around the league..athe last two years were not common imv, not by a long shot..
If it stays like this (in the main) I would have very few excuses to offer should our season go south..We are obviously thin at S, but tor now, that most likely can be filled by our future signings..
Cruz, RR, Richburg, Prince, Beason, Schwartz, JPP ... these guys are not backups
Randle, Richburg, Prince, Schwartz have all returned to practice...
Cruz said he expects to practice Labor day...
Beason has been working on the side the past 2 practices...
get it through your head that the case for pessimism is not in the final score.
Those of us that are negative have seen nothing to get excited over from the first team. The defense - the offense - both have stunk up the place. I'm not talking about didn't play up to their capabilities or were a little sluggish. They were horrible.
That's the reason we're all worried about having to suffer through another losing season.
Please..The first teamers haven't played all that much and obviously need more practice and game experience once they are down to the final 53 or 46 for game day..They are constantly shuffling players in and out for evaluation..You can't get an objective read based on 14-15 or so snaps(on both sides of the ball)..Some teams look great with those 14-15 snaps, others don't..
They hardly game plan for this shit..Save your pessimism for when they play for real..When they get an entire gameful of snaps..Even then, it may take several weeks to get in sync..
I think there's a difference between acting worried that this season Â
may be bad, and acting resigned to the opinion that this season will be bad.
The majority of BBI tends to pick the latter and go hard with it every gd year.
Also, I agree with '56. Honestly, if you would have showed me our current injury list over the offseason and said "Here's where we'll be with one preseason game left" - I would have taken it.
We're decimated safety, sure. But we've always sucked at safety. Seriously, for the past 10 years - the Giants have been mediocre, at best, at safety. We look back with delight at the "good old days" of having Kenny Phillips back there. Kenny freakin Phillips, who only started 2 full seasons with the team and recorded 8 interceptions in four years.
Oh, and then the same folks rail on the signing of Stevie Brown, Â
Here is a simple response to a simple question: If we were 3-0 in pre-season... actually, forget the record... If our first team players had looked good so far through the pre-season, most people (myself included) would have more hope for the upcoming season.
I wouldn't be planning for the Super Bowl but I would feel good about the team taking the next step (another year in MacAdoo's offense, Spags being back on D). Yes, that would make me happy.
I take no joy in shitting on the team. I wouldn't be coming on BBI to proclaim "it's only pre-season" so who cares. So these general statements that some here like to make about BBI en masse ring pretty hollow to me.
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I have them going back to 1996 still... http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/new-york-giants-game-previews-reviews/ - ( New Window )
WTF does he know?
No offense to anyone, but I pay no attention to pre-season beyond watching individuals that interest me. I can't imagine checking out prior year's pre-season games. The current ones don't mean much and the previous years' games mean less.
and the injury front was not what it is - our best lineman on both sides of the ball gone indefinitely - and we only had two safeties with season ending injuries, and Cruz were fully back, I'd feel much better about this year. It is the difference between 6 wins and 10 wins.
and the injury front was not what it is - our best lineman on both sides of the ball gone indefinitely - and we only had two safeties with season ending injuries, and Cruz were fully back, I'd feel much better about this year. It is the difference between 6 wins and 10 wins.
Some Fan, when has an Eli-led offense during the pre-season look like anything other than crap? Perhaps at times? Sure..In general, if you didn't know better, you'd never guess he's won two SBs..
Wait until the bullets fly for real..
I do agree that some preseasons offense looked bad Â
but I thought in the SB year and the year after we played pretty well on offense in pre-season. I could be off but they just seemed tougher in those years.
you self-righteous pricks! I am delighted to be lumped with you..
I'm honored to be counted among the likes of you pricks!!
and some of you guys are missing the point here - there are a lot of bad signs about this year's iteration of our beloved G-Men...I get why many are pessimistic about our chances.
my point is directed to the select few cunts who take on a full blown "haha I told you so!" attitude whenever something bad happens to the Giants. I swear I really think some people want the Giants to lose so their gloom and doom will be validated
that's different from the kind of poster who isn't optimistic, but would be excited to be proven wrong
For evidence, someone could dig up the game thread from the Giants loss to the Skins late in the 2007 season...at least 1 poster actually said they'd rather the Giants lose and see Coughlin fired than see us win the Super Bowl
Poor bastards really must gave suffered through that legendary Super Bowl run.
RE: I do agree that some preseasons offense looked bad Â
but I thought in the SB year and the year after we played pretty well on offense in pre-season. I could be off but they just seemed tougher in those years.
And you could be absolutely right..But in most cases the pre-season is rarely a harbinger of things to expect..If we have a crappy year, then so be it..It won't be because someone "saw something" in pre-season imo
I agree with those that say pre-season scores are unimportant, Â
but how the Giants have been functioning is an indication of their ability. In the Cincinnati game the offense looked uncoordinated and the defense was slow to react and got consistently pushed around and driven backwards. Before you say that it was only the 1st game, how do you explain that Cincinnati looked so much better? It is of course possible that the Bengals, who made the playoffs the past two seasons, are ready to make a Super Bowl bid. That however, just begs the question. Why did Cincinnati look so much better than the Giants even in game # 1? Is it because they really are better?
It is worrying tho that the Giants have shown little improvement in the 2 subsequent games.
I admit that NY's offense has seldom looked good in pre-season games, even in their Super Bowl seasons. I also expected Spag's defense to look rough due to there being a new coach and new system. On the offensive end Eli's 9 for 9 in the 2nd quarter of the Jet game was not exactly shabby & Eric Flowers and his companions have been holding up well on pass blocking. Run blocking not so good, but that needs more coordination & will hopefully improve as the season progresses.
Notice however, that Coughlin has stated the 1st team will play in the Patriot game. Is that a red alarm that says things are not going well or does Coughlin usually do that? You can bet that New England will not play their 1st team in that game.
If the Giants do not show a clear improvement on Thursday then I am concerned that it will be a long, painful season. Win or lose, I bleed Blue, & will continue to watch & root for our heroes.
RE: I agree with those that say pre-season scores are unimportant, Â
but how the Giants have been functioning is an indication of their ability. In the Cincinnati game the offense looked uncoordinated and the defense was slow to react and got consistently pushed around and driven backwards. Before you say that it was only the 1st game, how do you explain that Cincinnati looked so much better? It is of course possible that the Bengals, who made the playoffs the past two seasons, are ready to make a Super Bowl bid. That however, just begs the question. Why did Cincinnati look so much better than the Giants even in game # 1? Is it because they really are better?
It is worrying tho that the Giants have shown little improvement in the 2 subsequent games.
I admit that NY's offense has seldom looked good in pre-season games, even in their Super Bowl seasons. I also expected Spag's defense to look rough due to there being a new coach and new system. On the offensive end Eli's 9 for 9 in the 2nd quarter of the Jet game was not exactly shabby & Eric Flowers and his companions have been holding up well on pass blocking. Run blocking not so good, but that needs more coordination & will hopefully improve as the season progresses.
Notice however, that Coughlin has stated the 1st team will play in the Patriot game. Is that a red alarm that says things are not going well or does Coughlin usually do that? You can bet that New England will not play their 1st team in that game.
If the Giants do not show a clear improvement on Thursday then I am concerned that it will be a long, painful season. Win or lose, I bleed Blue, & will continue to watch & root for our heroes.
Because that's what happens in pre-season..A lot..Many teams look great and then nada..Remember the 4(or 5)-0 Lions the year they went 0-16 during the regular season? Spurrier's 'Skins in the pre-season?
The Giants generally look like crap during the pre-season, even if they win the majority of games..The Patriots often look like total crap as well
True, pre-season doesn't count in assessing MOVING FORWARD..It's for evaluation of 90 players to get to the best 46..It's for getting(if possible) into hitting shape..
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would be saying oh it is only preseason it doesnt matter how good they have looked, preseason doesnt count...
True, pre-season doesn't count in assessing MOVING FORWARD..It's for evaluation of 90 players to get to the best 46..It's for getting(if possible) into hitting shape..
agreed 100%
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
You already mentioned it. Those people are a.) spoiled or b.) wanna be assclowns because they can.
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
+1.
I've always been an optimistic fan, but understand why many are pessimistic. But some actually seem to wish the Giants fail so they can crow about it
"It's just preseason--don't get excited!"
"We won, but we looked like shit!"
Etc?
It's "Basic Skills" month. Players need to show that against other teams, they can run, pass, block, catch, etc. Sans one drive against the Jets that would have ended in a short FG, had it not been for a penalty against the Jets, the Giants grade out at a "D minus", perhaps a "D". The #1's have not shown an ability to perform basic skills against other teams and it's very alarming at the least. There seems to be some sense of security on coming up with excuses. Excuses like the naysayers are "bad fans", that the "games don't count" and they are not "showing everything".....
Being a naysayer doesn't make me a bad fan, it makes me a realist. I love my Giants and always will. It's frustrating to watch the team get abused every week. Different people deal with the same situations differently, it doesn't make us bad fans.
I'd love to hear Eric Kennedy weigh in on this
The fact of the matter is, we don't yet know what will happen with the final roster. While there are a lot of holes, I still see some potential in that perhaps the Giants offense could be good enough to outscore the points allowed by the defense. And I personally feel a lot more confident in the coaching staff now (Quinn excluded) than I have in a while.
Hope springs eternal but I am not holding my breath for more than an 8-8 season.
And YOUR lack of reality is us setting all-time injury records the last two years, especially to, as FMiC says, cluster groups(positions)...Fortunately it's (hopefully) cyclical and we are due(again hopefully) a break..This is not the entire story, but certainly an important one..Think before you post your "certainties."
it has been over a decade since the last time we had a season with fewer than 6 wins. We have 2 SB's in the past 8 years. And you read this board and people go apeshit like we are the Browns.
Even the board's owner talks about replacing Eli based on preseason stats - a player that has never had a good preseason before.
It is madness, coupled with quite a few trolls who exist only to try and stir the pot.
I can't for the life of me understand this. I know a lot of football fans. Hell, I even know Bills and Browns fans, and while they often accept defeat, they don't have nearly the amount of vitriol and anger as people here do.
A billion dollar business is a strange cause to repeatedly get all white knight about.
And for the people who say the Giants "just don't have the talent," I'd argue that the same could be said in 07, when we ran James Butler & Gibril Wilson out as our starting safeties and rookie Aaron Ross along with old-timer Sam Madison out as our 1 & 2 CBs.
"It's just preseason--don't get excited!"
"We won, but we looked like shit!"
Etc?
Huh?
arnie, SO FAR, the injuries we've sustained are mostly to backups..Yes, not thrilling, but at least, for now our projected starters appear reasonably healthy. I can live with that as these types of injuries are common around the league..athe last two years were not common imv, not by a long shot..
If it stays like this (in the main) I would have very few excuses to offer should our season go south..We are obviously thin at S, but tor now, that most likely can be filled by our future signings..
Here's an easy, glaring example I can think of: I watched a Raiders preseason game a few weeks ago in which a Trent Richardson play was entirely emblematic of Trent Richardson's career to date. I think the play actually got a lot of national exposure because of how bad it was. An absolutely gaping whole opened to the left, and Trent Richardson cut to the right and, I dunno, ran into the back of his guard or something. Even had that play occurred in week one of Richardson's career you'd think, "Whoa, that ain't a good sign." Your fears might have been assuaged by the "it's just preseason" argument but they'd ultimately be corroborated by future performance.
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It's a message board and in our own way we want the Giants to win and be exciting to watch so I don't mean to be disrespectful. But what you've seen so far this year has broken the injury cycle? I mean seriously what are you watching? Starting LT out for at least half the season. Best DL out for at least half the season. Center hurt. RG still not 100%. MLB hurt again as usual. Cruz still injured. Safeties and back up DB's falling daily. The injury list might actually be worse than the past 2 years so far before they even play a regular season game.
arnie, SO FAR, the injuries we've sustained are mostly to backups..Yes, not thrilling, but at least, for now our projected starters appear reasonably healthy. I can live with that as these types of injuries are common around the league..athe last two years were not common imv, not by a long shot..
If it stays like this (in the main) I would have very few excuses to offer should our season go south..We are obviously thin at S, but tor now, that most likely can be filled by our future signings..
Cruz, RR, Richburg, Prince, Beason, Schwartz, JPP ... these guys are not backups
Those of us that are negative have seen nothing to get excited over from the first team. The defense - the offense - both have stunk up the place. I'm not talking about didn't play up to their capabilities or were a little sluggish. They were horrible.
That's the reason we're all worried about having to suffer through another losing season.
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It's a message board and in our own way we want the Giants to win and be exciting to watch so I don't mean to be disrespectful. But what you've seen so far this year has broken the injury cycle? I mean seriously what are you watching? Starting LT out for at least half the season. Best DL out for at least half the season. Center hurt. RG still not 100%. MLB hurt again as usual. Cruz still injured. Safeties and back up DB's falling daily. The injury list might actually be worse than the past 2 years so far before they even play a regular season game.
arnie, SO FAR, the injuries we've sustained are mostly to backups..Yes, not thrilling, but at least, for now our projected starters appear reasonably healthy. I can live with that as these types of injuries are common around the league..athe last two years were not common imv, not by a long shot..
If it stays like this (in the main) I would have very few excuses to offer should our season go south..We are obviously thin at S, but tor now, that most likely can be filled by our future signings..
Cruz, RR, Richburg, Prince, Beason, Schwartz, JPP ... these guys are not backups
Randle, Richburg, Prince, Schwartz have all returned to practice...
Cruz said he expects to practice Labor day...
Beason has been working on the side the past 2 practices...
JPP who the fuck knows
Those of us that are negative have seen nothing to get excited over from the first team. The defense - the offense - both have stunk up the place. I'm not talking about didn't play up to their capabilities or were a little sluggish. They were horrible.
That's the reason we're all worried about having to suffer through another losing season.
Please..The first teamers haven't played all that much and obviously need more practice and game experience once they are down to the final 53 or 46 for game day..They are constantly shuffling players in and out for evaluation..You can't get an objective read based on 14-15 or so snaps(on both sides of the ball)..Some teams look great with those 14-15 snaps, others don't..
They hardly game plan for this shit..Save your pessimism for when they play for real..When they get an entire gameful of snaps..Even then, it may take several weeks to get in sync..
The majority of BBI tends to pick the latter and go hard with it every gd year.
Also, I agree with '56. Honestly, if you would have showed me our current injury list over the offseason and said "Here's where we'll be with one preseason game left" - I would have taken it.
We're decimated safety, sure. But we've always sucked at safety. Seriously, for the past 10 years - the Giants have been mediocre, at best, at safety. We look back with delight at the "good old days" of having Kenny Phillips back there. Kenny freakin Phillips, who only started 2 full seasons with the team and recorded 8 interceptions in four years.
This thread is good evidence of a lot of them.
Here is a simple response to a simple question: If we were 3-0 in pre-season... actually, forget the record... If our first team players had looked good so far through the pre-season, most people (myself included) would have more hope for the upcoming season.
I wouldn't be planning for the Super Bowl but I would feel good about the team taking the next step (another year in MacAdoo's offense, Spags being back on D). Yes, that would make me happy.
I take no joy in shitting on the team. I wouldn't be coming on BBI to proclaim "it's only pre-season" so who cares. So these general statements that some here like to make about BBI en masse ring pretty hollow to me.
Anyway, does that answer your question, OP?
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RE: David
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In comment 12444939 Eric from BBI said:
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I have them going back to 1996 still... http://www.bigblueinteractive.com/new-york-giants-game-previews-reviews/ - ( New Window )
WTF does he know?
No offense to anyone, but I pay no attention to pre-season beyond watching individuals that interest me. I can't imagine checking out prior year's pre-season games. The current ones don't mean much and the previous years' games mean less.
I know what you were referencing..Minimal snaps caused your peanut brain to deduce that we look like shot..Moron
Some Fan, when has an Eli-led offense during the pre-season look like anything other than crap? Perhaps at times? Sure..In general, if you didn't know better, you'd never guess he's won two SBs..
Wait until the bullets fly for real..
I'm honored to be counted among the likes of you pricks!!
and some of you guys are missing the point here - there are a lot of bad signs about this year's iteration of our beloved G-Men...I get why many are pessimistic about our chances.
my point is directed to the select few cunts who take on a full blown "haha I told you so!" attitude whenever something bad happens to the Giants. I swear I really think some people want the Giants to lose so their gloom and doom will be validated
that's different from the kind of poster who isn't optimistic, but would be excited to be proven wrong
For evidence, someone could dig up the game thread from the Giants loss to the Skins late in the 2007 season...at least 1 poster actually said they'd rather the Giants lose and see Coughlin fired than see us win the Super Bowl
Poor bastards really must gave suffered through that legendary Super Bowl run.
And you could be absolutely right..But in most cases the pre-season is rarely a harbinger of things to expect..If we have a crappy year, then so be it..It won't be because someone "saw something" in pre-season imo
It is worrying tho that the Giants have shown little improvement in the 2 subsequent games.
I admit that NY's offense has seldom looked good in pre-season games, even in their Super Bowl seasons. I also expected Spag's defense to look rough due to there being a new coach and new system. On the offensive end Eli's 9 for 9 in the 2nd quarter of the Jet game was not exactly shabby & Eric Flowers and his companions have been holding up well on pass blocking. Run blocking not so good, but that needs more coordination & will hopefully improve as the season progresses.
Notice however, that Coughlin has stated the 1st team will play in the Patriot game. Is that a red alarm that says things are not going well or does Coughlin usually do that? You can bet that New England will not play their 1st team in that game.
If the Giants do not show a clear improvement on Thursday then I am concerned that it will be a long, painful season. Win or lose, I bleed Blue, & will continue to watch & root for our heroes.
It is worrying tho that the Giants have shown little improvement in the 2 subsequent games.
I admit that NY's offense has seldom looked good in pre-season games, even in their Super Bowl seasons. I also expected Spag's defense to look rough due to there being a new coach and new system. On the offensive end Eli's 9 for 9 in the 2nd quarter of the Jet game was not exactly shabby & Eric Flowers and his companions have been holding up well on pass blocking. Run blocking not so good, but that needs more coordination & will hopefully improve as the season progresses.
Notice however, that Coughlin has stated the 1st team will play in the Patriot game. Is that a red alarm that says things are not going well or does Coughlin usually do that? You can bet that New England will not play their 1st team in that game.
If the Giants do not show a clear improvement on Thursday then I am concerned that it will be a long, painful season. Win or lose, I bleed Blue, & will continue to watch & root for our heroes.
Because that's what happens in pre-season..A lot..Many teams look great and then nada..Remember the 4(or 5)-0 Lions the year they went 0-16 during the regular season? Spurrier's 'Skins in the pre-season?
The Giants generally look like crap during the pre-season, even if they win the majority of games..The Patriots often look like total crap as well