In a statement Kim Davis released thru the Liberty Council on Sept 1 she said, To issue a marriage license which conflicts with Gods definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience.(LINK)
This morning her lawyer said, She has a very strong conscience and shes just asking for a simple remedy, and that is, remove her name from the certificate and all will be well,.
Moving on to Kentucky law ... Kentucky Revised Statutes reads ...
****************************************** 402.110 Marriage license to be uniform and completely filled out.
The form of marriage license prescribed in KRS 402.100 shall be uniform throughout this state ... LINK
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Now moving to aforementioned KRS 402.100, it says ...
****************************************** 402.100 Marriage license -- Marriage certificate -- Confidentiality of Social Security numbers.
Each county clerk shall use the form prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives when issuing a marriage license. This form shall provide for the entering of all of the information required in this section, and may also provide for the entering of additional information prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives. The
form shall consist of:
(1) A marriage license which provides for the entering of:
(a) An authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license for any person or religious society authorized to perform marriage ceremonies to unite in marriage the persons named;
(b) Vital information for each party, including the full name, date of birth, place of birth, race, condition (single, widowed, or divorced), number of previous
marriages, occupation, current residence, relationship to the other party, and full names of parents; and
(c) The date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk or deputy clerk issuing the license. LINK
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I'm in no way trained in the legal profession but I see NO requirement in the statutes for her name to on the license. A license issued this morning omitted her name (see previous post). It seems that's all she had to do from the getgo, leave her name off the license. Again, I'm getting the sense this whole thing has been orchestrated bullshit. If I'm missing some point or misinterpreted a point, I'm open for correction.
the ACLU lawyers involved in this have been openly suggesting (in press statements) that the law firm/advocacy group representing Kim Davis has been the main driving force behind her actions.
"We don't serve your kind" is discrimination, pure and simple. It's un-American. We know that. Kim Davis knows that.
What the opponents of marriage equality needed, what Bryan Fischer and Tony Perkins and all the desperate homophobes of the Liberty Counsel had to have to stay in business for another year, was a martyr. (They almost had it with those "no wedding pizza for gays" people, but then that GoFundMe page came along and made them rich.) They needed a timid, God-fearing person to be hauled off to prison.
They got that today.
Kim Davis, because of her deeply-held belief in a religion to which she converted four years ago (her whole thing makes so much more sense when you think about how fresh she is to Christianity, doesn't it? Hers is the zeal of the brand-new convert. It's like she's six months into Crossfit) refused to issue marriage licenses out of her office so that she would never endorse a same-sex union with her signature, and now she's going to jail. As Mark Joseph Stern points out in Slate, good lawyers lawyers who are working for the good of their clients, not lawyers who are trying to stay relevant in a world that has outgrown themtend to do what they can to keep their clients out of jail. The Liberty Counsel, who counsels for the liberty to oppress gay people and pretty much nothing else, should be out of business in 2015. When we get that picture of Kim Davis in handcuffs, they'll have the image they need to stay afloat until 2025.
of course Kim Davis is doing fine in jail. It's far more comfortable than the hell in which she'll be spending eternity for being a Bible-defying adulterer and a judgmental bigot.
whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
Not sure why you use the unnecessary term "magic book" to insult all believers, most of who understand the difference between having a belief, and using your belief as a government worker to violstr their rights. I find you to be a bigot also.
I respect your opinions on here, but yes, I think she is a bigot. She is hiding behind inconsistent religious beliefs to openly discriminate against a group of people. Never mind that she's a hypocritical adulterer who besmirches the sanctity and religious definition of marriage, but there is no indication that she has ever inquired whether couples seeking marriage certificates had been married before.
No, her indignation and religious fervor stems only from whether two people of the same sex want to marry each other.
whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
Not sure why you use the unnecessary term "magic book" to insult all believers, most of who understand the difference between having a belief, and using your belief as a government worker to violstr their rights. I find you to be a bigot also.
That's perfectly fine. But you might take a moment to examine the difference between you and I. You try to insult me by calling me a bigot. I dismiss that as silly - because "bigot" is a word with a fairly firm objective meaning, and one that I don't come close to meeting.
Before that, I tried to insult Kim Davis by saying she took instruction from a magic book. In response, you not only took offense on her behalf, but your own behalf, and on behalf of "all believers." That's a lot of offense being taken. Maybe you want to ask yourself why? I'm not a bigot, and being called one doesn't bother me. If the Bible is not essentially a magic book, why concern yourself with someone who calls it one?
really simple minded and brainwashed by her church/religion. And so what if your church is against it, you are not being forced to marry a woman. You took a government job, you have to follow their rules. What if a Catholic refused to issue licenses to divorced people because in the Catholic faith, divorcees can't remarry.
And for the record, I've always been for making gay marriage legal. A license is not some holy creed from God. It's a legal contract and follows secular law. If you want 'holy matrimony' you have to go through all the BS that you need to get married in a church. I would not support forcing churches to marry gays or anyone they don't want to. But who really gives a crap who other people marry? It's absurd.
It's unfortunate that none of the her church's elders pointed this out to her during the months she refused to issue licenses to anyone ... assuming she attended services on a regular basis ...
From the Apostolic Christian Church's Statement of Faith ...
Governmental authority is respected and obeyed. Members serve in a non-combatant status in the military. Oaths are not taken, but truth is affirmed.
whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
Not sure why you use the unnecessary term "magic book" to insult all believers, most of who understand the difference between having a belief, and using your belief as a government worker to violstr their rights. I find you to be a bigot also.
That's perfectly fine. But you might take a moment to examine the difference between you and I. You try to insult me by calling me a bigot. I dismiss that as silly - because "bigot" is a word with a fairly firm objective meaning, and one that I don't come close to meeting.
Before that, I tried to insult Kim Davis by saying she took instruction from a magic book. In response, you not only took offense on her behalf, but your own behalf, and on behalf of "all believers." That's a lot of offense being taken. Maybe you want to ask yourself why? I'm not a bigot, and being called one doesn't bother me. If the Bible is not essentially a magic book, why concern yourself with someone who calls it one?
I could probably write a page in response but I don't have the strength or desire at the moment and I would probably just bore the board so I will let each of our responses stand on their own. The only comment I will make is to not assume what my religious views are. A lot closer to yours than you probably assume.
You were succinct and on point enough in the first place
Staver, Davis' attorney, said he will file legal actions to appeal the contempt finding and to have the clerk released from jail, although he could not predict how long this might take.
Davis never expected to find herself behind bars in an orange jumpsuit, Staver said, but she "slept well last night. She slept with a very good conscience."
Outside the Rowan County courthouse Friday, Davis' husband, Joe, said he spoke to his wife by telephone late Thursday, and he reported "she's in good spirits."
"She will stay in there for however long it takes, (I hope)" Joe Davis said. "She will not back down. She'll never resign (I hope). Nope."
Disclaimer: Parens added by me doing a little mind reading.
Was there a reason she couldn't do the truly principled thing
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CNN files motion asking Judge Bunning for right to do jailhouse interview with Rowan Co Clerk Kim Davis, says Davis is willing.
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CNN files motion asking Judge Bunning for right to do jailhouse interview with Rowan Co Clerk Kim Davis, says Davis is willing.
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Rowan Co couples file their new marriage licenses in court at judge's request. Kim Davis' name removed from form; signed by deputies.
Judge releases Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis from jail,
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As Kim Davis leaves jail, she is asked if she'll let deputies issue marriage licenses. "She will not violate her conscious," lawyer says
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Gov. Beshear: Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis' religious freedoms never were trampled upon, she failed to do her legal duties as a clerk.
RE: Judge releases Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis from jail,
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As Kim Davis leaves jail, she is asked if she'll let deputies issue marriage licenses. "She will not violate her conscious," lawyer says
Good. I hope she interferes, and ends up right back in jail. C*nt...
What an unintentionally hilarious shit show, trotting this woman out to rocky theme music. It was really cringe worthy listening to huckabee. He may have best intentions (aside from the obvious selfish poll boost he hopes to get from this of course), but its almost sad watching a guy so clearly and defiantly on the wrong side of history. Felt like i was watching a modern day George Wallace
About his poll numbers - he isn't a politician, he is a brand, and everything he says and does should be viewed as advertising that brand to his core consumers.
Westboro Baptist @WBCSaysRepent
Kim Davis took an oath before God to obey ALL LAWS! So she must:
1 Obey the law!
2 Put away adultery!
3 PROTEST SIN!
Westboro Baptist
@WBCSaysRepent Westboro Baptist retweeted Raw Story
Get this straight: you can NOT repent of a sin you actively live. Kim must leave that man who's not her husband.
Westboro Baptist @WBCSaysRepent
Stay tuned for WBC video news w words about #KimDavis. Famous for adultery & govt tyranny: grievous sins against God.
This morning her lawyer said, She has a very strong conscience and shes just asking for a simple remedy, and that is, remove her name from the certificate and all will be well,.
Moving on to Kentucky law ... Kentucky Revised Statutes reads ...
******************************************
402.110 Marriage license to be uniform and completely filled out.
The form of marriage license prescribed in KRS 402.100 shall be uniform throughout this state ... LINK
*******************************************
Now moving to aforementioned KRS 402.100, it says ...
******************************************
402.100 Marriage license -- Marriage certificate -- Confidentiality of Social Security numbers.
Each county clerk shall use the form prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives when issuing a marriage license. This form shall provide for the entering of all of the information required in this section, and may also provide for the entering of additional information prescribed by the Department for Libraries and Archives. The
form shall consist of:
(1) A marriage license which provides for the entering of:
(a) An authorization statement of the county clerk issuing the license for any person or religious society authorized to perform marriage ceremonies to unite in marriage the persons named;
(b) Vital information for each party, including the full name, date of birth, place of birth, race, condition (single, widowed, or divorced), number of previous
marriages, occupation, current residence, relationship to the other party, and full names of parents; and
(c) The date and place the license is issued, and the signature of the county clerk or deputy clerk issuing the license.
LINK
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I'm in no way trained in the legal profession but I see NO requirement in the statutes for her name to on the license. A license issued this morning omitted her name (see previous post). It seems that's all she had to do from the getgo, leave her name off the license. Again, I'm getting the sense this whole thing has been orchestrated bullshit. If I'm missing some point or misinterpreted a point, I'm open for correction.
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What the opponents of marriage equality needed, what Bryan Fischer and Tony Perkins and all the desperate homophobes of the Liberty Counsel had to have to stay in business for another year, was a martyr. (They almost had it with those "no wedding pizza for gays" people, but then that GoFundMe page came along and made them rich.) They needed a timid, God-fearing person to be hauled off to prison.
They got that today.
Kim Davis, because of her deeply-held belief in a religion to which she converted four years ago (her whole thing makes so much more sense when you think about how fresh she is to Christianity, doesn't it? Hers is the zeal of the brand-new convert. It's like she's six months into Crossfit) refused to issue marriage licenses out of her office so that she would never endorse a same-sex union with her signature, and now she's going to jail. As Mark Joseph Stern points out in Slate, good lawyers lawyers who are working for the good of their clients, not lawyers who are trying to stay relevant in a world that has outgrown themtend to do what they can to keep their clients out of jail. The Liberty Counsel, who counsels for the liberty to oppress gay people and pretty much nothing else, should be out of business in 2015. When we get that picture of Kim Davis in handcuffs, they'll have the image they need to stay afloat until 2025.
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This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
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whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
Or his reinforcement...that guy was freaking awesome.
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old pal Spock when we need him?
Or his reinforcement...that guy was freaking awesome.
No, her indignation and religious fervor stems only from whether two people of the same sex want to marry each other.
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old pal Spock when we need him?
Or his reinforcement...that guy was freaking awesome.
Eunich?
Haha...I think it was Enoch##### or something.
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whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
Not sure why you use the unnecessary term "magic book" to insult all believers, most of who understand the difference between having a belief, and using your belief as a government worker to violstr their rights. I find you to be a bigot also.
That's perfectly fine. But you might take a moment to examine the difference between you and I. You try to insult me by calling me a bigot. I dismiss that as silly - because "bigot" is a word with a fairly firm objective meaning, and one that I don't come close to meeting.
Before that, I tried to insult Kim Davis by saying she took instruction from a magic book. In response, you not only took offense on her behalf, but your own behalf, and on behalf of "all believers." That's a lot of offense being taken. Maybe you want to ask yourself why? I'm not a bigot, and being called one doesn't bother me. If the Bible is not essentially a magic book, why concern yourself with someone who calls it one?
And for the record, I've always been for making gay marriage legal. A license is not some holy creed from God. It's a legal contract and follows secular law. If you want 'holy matrimony' you have to go through all the BS that you need to get married in a church. I would not support forcing churches to marry gays or anyone they don't want to. But who really gives a crap who other people marry? It's absurd.
From the Apostolic Christian Church's Statement of Faith ...
Governmental authority is respected and obeyed. Members serve in a non-combatant status in the military. Oaths are not taken, but truth is affirmed.
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whether gays should have the right to marry, I probably would have said no. Now if someone hasnt moved on that issue as quickly as the rest of us have, she's just a bigot? Has she even said anything bad about gays or gay marriage beyond the fact that her religion doesnt allow it so she cant actively participate in it (honest question)?
This remains an unfortunate situation to me.
Yes, she's just a bigot. She's not someone lacking the relevant information to make a better choice. She knows all the same things about homosexuality that progressive people know. She's free to discard that knowledge in favor of what her magic book tells her, but there is now a social price to be paid for that.
Not sure why you use the unnecessary term "magic book" to insult all believers, most of who understand the difference between having a belief, and using your belief as a government worker to violstr their rights. I find you to be a bigot also.
That's perfectly fine. But you might take a moment to examine the difference between you and I. You try to insult me by calling me a bigot. I dismiss that as silly - because "bigot" is a word with a fairly firm objective meaning, and one that I don't come close to meeting.
Before that, I tried to insult Kim Davis by saying she took instruction from a magic book. In response, you not only took offense on her behalf, but your own behalf, and on behalf of "all believers." That's a lot of offense being taken. Maybe you want to ask yourself why? I'm not a bigot, and being called one doesn't bother me. If the Bible is not essentially a magic book, why concern yourself with someone who calls it one?
Davis never expected to find herself behind bars in an orange jumpsuit, Staver said, but she "slept well last night. She slept with a very good conscience."
Outside the Rowan County courthouse Friday, Davis' husband, Joe, said he spoke to his wife by telephone late Thursday, and he reported "she's in good spirits."
"She will stay in there for however long it takes, (I hope)" Joe Davis said. "She will not back down. She'll never resign (I hope). Nope."
Disclaimer: Parens added by me doing a little mind reading.
Her decision to fight would seem to support the belief that there were other motivations, her own or others', driving the clown car here.
Her decision to fight would seem to support the belief that there were other motivations, her own or others', driving the clown car here.
CNN files motion asking Judge Bunning for right to do jailhouse interview with Rowan Co Clerk Kim Davis, says Davis is willing.
CNN files motion asking Judge Bunning for right to do jailhouse interview with Rowan Co Clerk Kim Davis, says Davis is willing.
Of course she is willing.
For however long what takes? SCOTUS to change its mind? The Rapture?
SwirlingEddie : 9/5/2015 10:19 am : link : reply
and simply resign her position?
You get to play martyr if you're defiant and jailed. Not so much if you resign.
I was up early and watched the sun rise this morning, kind of the same thing?
That is a startling turn of events...
heraldleader @heraldleader
Huckabee to join rally for clerk opposed to gay marriage.
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GOP presidential hopeful Cruz to visit jailed Kentucky clerk
A meetup with Al Sharpton, maybe?
Rowan Co couples file their new marriage licenses in court at judge's request. Kim Davis' name removed from form; signed by deputies.
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As Kim Davis leaves jail, she is asked if she'll let deputies issue marriage licenses. "She will not violate her conscious," lawyer says
Gov. Beshear: Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis' religious freedoms never were trampled upon, she failed to do her legal duties as a clerk.
She's already broken up three marriages
As Kim Davis leaves jail, she is asked if she'll let deputies issue marriage licenses. "She will not violate her conscious," lawyer says
Good. I hope she interferes, and ends up right back in jail. C*nt...
Sam Youngman @samyoungman
Huckabee volunteers to go to jail instead of Kim Davis
He will run for President for the next 20 years.
Sam Youngman @samyoungman
Huckabee volunteers to go to jail instead of Kim Davis
Can the judge just make it a two-fer?
Sam Youngman @samyoungman
Huckabee volunteers to go to jail instead of Kim Davis
Wow, who would have though Huckabee would be in jail before Hillary.
Kim Davis took an oath before God to obey ALL LAWS! So she must:
1 Obey the law!
2 Put away adultery!
3 PROTEST SIN!
Westboro Baptist
@WBCSaysRepent Westboro Baptist retweeted Raw Story
Get this straight: you can NOT repent of a sin you actively live. Kim must leave that man who's not her husband.
Westboro Baptist @WBCSaysRepent
Stay tuned for WBC video news w words about #KimDavis. Famous for adultery & govt tyranny: grievous sins against God.