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gidiefor : Mod : 9/1/2015 12:29 pm
Oh Boy Is this going to get nasty!
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RE: Mike Huckabee called her  
njm : 9/3/2015 1:24 pm : link
In comment 12451147 Headhunter said:
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a "true hero"


Donald Trump said: "She's a nice lady but a really terrible martyr. Look at her there denying the licenses. Really low energy. Put me in charge and I'll show how to martyr. It will be great."
5 of her 6 deputy clerks can issue marriage licenses  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 1:25 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Kim Davis said 5 of her 6 deputy clerks can issue marriage licenses, too. They're on the spot now.

The best part was  
Headhunter : 9/3/2015 1:25 pm : link
from the guy who said that Obama is leading Israel to the ovens was that the rhetoric against this woman was outageous
we live in a society of laws  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 1:27 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Judge Bunning said he does not lightly send Rowan Co clerk to jail. But "in this country, we live in a society of laws."

I just don't see the issue  
buford : 9/3/2015 1:36 pm : link
no one is asking you to be in a gay marriage. You aren't forced to perform a ceremony, you just are processing a form. It's ridiculous. And not very Christian I may add.
........................  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 1:37 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
"Our system of justice requires citizens - and significantly, elected officials - to follow the rules of the courts," Judge Bunning says.

RE: we live in a society of laws  
HomerJones45 : 9/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
In comment 12451169 sphinx said:
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Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Judge Bunning said he does not lightly send Rowan Co clerk to jail. But "in this country, we live in a society of laws."
Yeah, right.
RE: I just don't see the issue  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 1:42 pm : link
In comment 12451214 buford said:
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no one is asking you to be in a gay marriage. You aren't forced to perform a ceremony, you just are processing a form. It's ridiculous. And not very Christian I may add.

She has previously stated that even if she didn't personally issue or sign the license that her name would still be on it and she couldn't abide by that. She has really forced the issue.

It's not her job to approve or disapprove legal marriages  
buford : 9/3/2015 1:49 pm : link
she's a clerk, not a priest.
RE: It's not her job to approve or disapprove legal marriages  
speedywheels : 9/3/2015 1:58 pm : link
In comment 12451264 buford said:
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she's a clerk, not a priest.


+1. You were elected to do your job - so either do it, or step down and let someone else...
Now she can be fired  
WideRight : 9/3/2015 2:01 pm : link
Violating federal law at the workplace
It's basically been accepted procedure  
moespree : 9/3/2015 2:02 pm : link
For like ever that if a public official doesn't like something or want to do something in a local, county, or state operation they resign. Fine. Simple. You might get a few questions thrown your way as to why you decided to do that, but everyone moves on with their life, quickly, and it's a not a huge deal. That's what she should have done. Perhaps she desires the attention she's now getting. I wonder if she thought jail was ever a realistic possibility. We'll see I guess, depending on how quick she folds.
for a deeply religious person  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/3/2015 2:04 pm : link
she has no problem breaking the oath she took when she swore on the Bible to uphold the laws.
RE: RE: Mike Huckabee called her  
Big Al : 9/3/2015 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12451153 RC02XX said:
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a "true hero"



He's a clown.
I would use a term a lot stronger than clown but having trouble finding the right word.
well  
giantfan2000 : 9/3/2015 2:18 pm : link
going to jail
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RE: well  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12451336 giantfan2000 said:
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going to jail Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Taken Into Custody - ( New Window )

Didn't read much of the current thread, didya?

Calling somebody..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/3/2015 2:25 pm : link
a "true hero" who openly tells gays they face consequences on Judgment Day is exactly one of the reasons the Religious Right is a horrible group.

Canonizing bigotry.
Yes, we can call Huckabee things worse than "clown"  
RC02XX : 9/3/2015 2:38 pm : link
and rightly so. But why bother? He's a huckster and an opportunists...nothing more.

I still love how he stood by the Duggars after the child-molestation story came out but then dropped them altogether when he realized that they would bring his image down. And this from a family that espoused "family value" according to their views when their son was an adulterous child molester and they were complicit in keeping it hush hush.
RE: Yes, we can call Huckabee things worse than  
Deej : 9/3/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12451386 RC02XX said:
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and rightly so. But why bother? He's a huckster and an opportunists...nothing more.


Well Chris Christie and Donald Trump just promised to endorse Huck should he win the nomination, and I suspect all the other candidates will fall in line too.
RE: RE: Yes, we can call Huckabee things worse than  
Chris in Philly : 9/3/2015 2:45 pm : link
In comment 12451394 Deej said:
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In comment 12451386 RC02XX said:


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and rightly so. But why bother? He's a huckster and an opportunists...nothing more.




Well Chris Christie and Donald Trump just promised to endorse Huck should he win the nomination, and I suspect all the other candidates will fall in line too.


But he won't, so...
Maybe  
Deej : 9/3/2015 2:48 pm : link
But he's no less a ridiculous candidate than Trump or Carson, and those two are combining for 48% in today's poll.
no more  
Deej : 9/3/2015 2:48 pm : link
that is
RE: RE: Yes, we can call Huckabee things worse than  
RC02XX : 9/3/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12451394 Deej said:
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In comment 12451386 RC02XX said:


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and rightly so. But why bother? He's a huckster and an opportunists...nothing more.




Well Chris Christie and Donald Trump just promised to endorse Huck should he win the nomination, and I suspect all the other candidates will fall in line too.


So you have two other opportunists promising to endorse this clown...how does that make what I posted wrong?
Everything Huckabee says and does  
Rob in CT/NYC : 9/3/2015 2:56 pm : link
(Including running for President) should be viewed within the context of his brand, and by extension, his wallet.

He's Al Sharpton, an opportunist.
And my question from yesterday remains (nod to gidiefor)  
Rob in CT/NYC : 9/3/2015 3:00 pm : link
The judge said jail was the only option as fines were very likely going to be paid by third parties - is that a taxable event for this woman? Is it because the individual donations don't exceed the $14,000 mark, even though they may in aggregate?
It's ago for those wanting licenses  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 3:14 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Five deputy clerks willing to follow the law seems adequate, Judge Bunning said. He won't hold Kim Davis' son, Nathan, in contempt.

Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Faced w/ contempt & jail, 5 of Kim Davis' 6 deputy clerks tell judge they would be OK issuing marriage licenses to all. Her son says no.

ago = a go  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 3:14 pm : link
duh
But the show goes on ...  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 3:16 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
One way or another, Judge Bunning says, couples need to be able to walk into Rowan Co clerk office Friday morning and get license.

Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Judge will hold new hearing at 3:30 to decide if her deputies agreeing to give licenses over her objections makes jailing her unneeded.

She still has a choice ...  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 3:24 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Kim Davis will return to courtroom at 3:30 & tell judge if she's willing to let her deputies obey law over her objections. If not, jail.

She's the real hero  
Headhunter : 9/3/2015 3:26 pm : link
I'd like to buy her and her clerks cups of coffee
RE: She still has a choice ...  
RC02XX : 9/3/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12451479 sphinx said:
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Bluegrass Politics @BGPolitics
Kim Davis will return to courtroom at 3:30 & tell judge if she's willing to let her deputies obey law over her objections. If not, jail.


Well...I guess we'll see just how strong her conviction is. Or if she'll save herself from being thrown in jail and save face by allowing her deputies to carry out the duties.
RE: She's the real hero  
RC02XX : 9/3/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12451485 Headhunter said:
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I'd like to buy her and her clerks cups of coffee


She's more than a clerk...



she's a goddamn hero.
RE: RE: She still has a choice ...  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 3:29 pm : link
In comment 12451486 RC02XX said:
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In comment 12451479 sphinx said:Quote:Bluegrass Politics @BGPolitics
Kim Davis will return to courtroom at 3:30 & tell judge if she's willing to let her deputies obey law over her objections. If not, jail.

Well...I guess we'll see just how strong her conviction is. Or if she'll save herself from being thrown in jail and save face by allowing her deputies to carry out the duties.

Her name will still be on the license and she said that was the reson she wouldn't allow her clerks to issue them. Now? We'll see.

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sphinx : 9/3/2015 3:33 pm : link
Bunning initially ordered Davis to remain in jail until she agrees to comply with his Aug. 12 order, but he scheduled a new hearing for 3:30 p.m. to reconsider that decision after her deputies said they would issue licenses in her absence.


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RC02XX  
Headhunter : 9/3/2015 3:35 pm : link
unfortunately we throw that word "Hero" around loosely. It detracts from the real heroes
Look at this guy  
BeerFridge : 9/3/2015 3:45 pm : link
Tennessee judge that won't let a straight couple get divorced because of the recent supreme court decision. He apparently feels he's no longer allowed to say anything about marriage anymore.

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The Tennessee Court of Appeals has noted that Obergefell v. Hodges, affected what is, and must be recognized as, a lawful marriage in the State of Tennessee. This leaves a mere trial level Tennessee state court judge in a bit of a quandary.

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With the U.S. Supreme Court having defined what must be recognized as a marriage, it would appear that Tennessees judiciary must now await the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court as to what is not a marriage, or better stated, when a marriage is no longer a marriage.





and check out the second graf here, lol. Dude had a tantrum.


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Jail it is  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 3:58 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Kim Davis tells judge she'd rather stay in jail than cooperate with her deputies giving marriage licenses. OK, jail it is, judge says.

Maybe she's looking for husband #5  
buford : 9/3/2015 4:00 pm : link
and thinks jail is a good place to look for him.
spoke through her attorneys  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 4:02 pm : link
Dominic Holden ‏@dominicholden
Davis did not come back to the courtroom as requested. She spoke through her attorneys. Remains in custody indefinitely.

That Tennessee judge  
Deej : 9/3/2015 4:04 pm : link
is going to get censured for that opinion.
Im not up to speed on clerk law  
Deej : 9/3/2015 4:07 pm : link
but how can the deputy give a marriage license without the consent of the elected clerk? It's like the White House Chief of Staff signing a bill into law without the consent of the President, no? Or a judge's clerk signing an order.

It is the signature of the person with power -- judge, clerk, or President -- that makes the deed official. If the deputy signs a marriage license over the objection of the elected clerk, is the marriage legal?
RE: RE: Yes, we can call Huckabee things worse than  
section125 : 9/3/2015 4:07 pm : link
In comment 12451394 Deej said:
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In comment 12451386 RC02XX said:


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and rightly so. But why bother? He's a huckster and an opportunists...nothing more.




Well Chris Christie and Donald Trump just promised to endorse Huck should he win the nomination, and I suspect all the other candidates will fall in line too.


Idiot. What, they signed a no third party run agreement and that is what you equate.. Huckabee has a snowballs' chance in hell of getting nominated to dog catcher. Talk about talking out your ass.
RE: That Tennessee judge  
BeerFridge : 9/3/2015 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12451548 Deej said:
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is going to get censured for that opinion.


Yeah, and he ended up denying these folks divorce because they hadn't proved their relationship wasn't salvageable. He's amazing. Those poor folks.
RE: Im not up to speed on clerk law  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12451554 Deej said:
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but how can the deputy give a marriage license without the consent of the elected clerk? It's like the White House Chief of Staff signing a bill into law without the consent of the President, no? Or a judge's clerk signing an order.

It is the signature of the person with power -- judge, clerk, or President -- that makes the deed official. If the deputy signs a marriage license over the objection of the elected clerk, is the marriage legal?

Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Kim Davis said 5 of her 6 deputy clerks can issue marriage licenses, too.

Remember, she's stopped marriage licenses from being issued. Period. To anyone. Question is, can she stop her office from serving the taxpayers?

Does she continue to draw her salary while she's...  
BMac : 9/3/2015 4:17 pm : link
...incarcerated?
moral law  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 4:22 pm : link
"God's moral law conflicts with my job duties," Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis told U.S. District Judge David Bunning.

Even after admitting she can't/won't do her job, she still won't lose it, it seems.

warns Rowan Co deputy clerks  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 4:30 pm : link
Bluegrass Politics ‏@BGPolitics
Judge Bunning warns Rowan Co deputy clerks their office better open Friday and comply. Couples plan to be there for licenses.

Okay, so what happens now?  
BlackLight : 9/3/2015 4:32 pm : link
Starting tomorrow, is it business as usual at the Clerk's office, with marriage licenses for all eligible couples? And Davis sits in a cell until she's formerly given her walking papers, or until she agrees to not interfere with the obligations of her office?
Deputies to issue licenses tomorrow  
sphinx : 9/3/2015 4:35 pm : link
Joe Dunman ‏@JoeDunman
Hearing concluded. Clerk in custody. Deputies to issue licenses tomorrow, though they expressed reluctance but for contempt threat.

Upon hearing her excuse, God issued the following statement  
Headhunter : 9/3/2015 4:37 pm : link
"I am out of the Religion business, I just can't take the bullshit associated with me anymore"
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