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| An Illinois police officer was shot and killed in Lake County on Tuesday, a law enforcement source told CNN. A search is on for three suspects, authorities said. Law enforcement on foot and in helicopters are combing the area, said Lake County Sheriff's Sgt. Christopher Covelli. The shooting happened about 10 minutes before 8 a.m. local time, according to the sergeant. Canine units have also been dispatched, and residents have been asked to remain inside their homes and businesses, he said. "We asked residents to report any suspicious activity they happen to see, whether they think it's something minor or major and to keep an eye out for these three individuals," Covelli said. |
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Ferguson isn't just about the single killing, for example Ferguson is about a town that made it's budget for years by hauling black asses into court.
There are problems, of course, nationwide, with misuse of the bail system, bullying people--especially minorities--into accepting guilty pleas to avoid pre-trial incarceration. Massive overuse of imprisonment. A failed war on drugs.
There isn't any easy answer here. Hoodlums, thugs and street gangs are taking advantage of the resentment in community after community to justify a war on cops. There have to be solutions which get rid of old police attitudes about black communities, while expanding the use of community policing and reducing incarceration.
These kinds of transitions are never easy, and there needs to be much stronger leadership within the black community to say to the thugs, "cut this shit out," and at the same time to engage police forces and legislatures to resolve the issues that led to the growing rage and resentment in the first place.
I wish there were a way to create this kind of transition that doesn't involve giving people with hate in their heart excuses for murderous behavior. I don't know what it is.
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Ferguson isn't just about the single killing, for example Ferguson is about a town that made it's budget for years by hauling black asses into court.
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For example, in 88% of the cases in which the Ferguson police reported using force, it was against African-Americans. Also, between 2012 and 2014, black drivers were twice as likely as white drivers to be searched during traffic stops, but 26% less likely to be found in possession of contraband.
There are problems, of course, nationwide, with misuse of the bail system, bullying people--especially minorities--into accepting guilty pleas to avoid pre-trial incarceration. Massive overuse of imprisonment. A failed war on drugs.
There isn't any easy answer here. Hoodlums, thugs and street gangs are taking advantage of the resentment in community after community to justify a war on cops. There have to be solutions which get rid of old police attitudes about black communities, while expanding the use of community policing and reducing incarceration.
These kinds of transitions are never easy, and there needs to be much stronger leadership within the black community to say to the thugs, "cut this shit out," and at the same time to engage police forces and legislatures to resolve the issues that led to the growing rage and resentment in the first place.
I wish there were a way to create this kind of transition that doesn't involve giving people with hate in their heart excuses for murderous behavior. I don't know what it is. Link - ( New Window )
But much of this is half truth and insinuation built on anecdotes, logic that you and people of your intellect would not countenance in any other context.
The use of the bail system to browbeat guilty pleas out of poor defendants?
Which ones are insinuations and half-truths?
Btw, I am an advocate of things like stop and frisk, because it works. But it needs to be combined with better attitudes about its use.
I am also a huge believer in community policing, in diversion programs designed to reduce the use of jails as a warehouse for addicts, and in avoiding the use of prisons to warehouse the mentally ill. And in massively better training and control of prison employees. In other words, the problems are huge and diverse, and do result in excuses for thuggish behavior that have no justification.
Again, I do not think that there are easy answers for any of this, but the cycle of resentment, thuggishness, and police with nervous trigger fingers needs to be stopped.
Right now, if I were a policeman, I would have a nervous trigger finger too. We need a way out of the cycle, and pretending that it doesn't exist won't get us anywhere.
And to the extent that there are insinuations and half-truths floating around in all of this, the ONLY solution I can see is for real black leaders to step in and help differentiate. In huge parts of the country, we need ongoing linkages between minority communities and law departments that do not yet exist. Take the thugs out of the equation wherever possible.
Give communities a reason to go to battle for the police, and this will ultimately calm back down, I think. They need to see affirmative steps being taken in order to incent them to play a much bigger role in their own community outcomes--and take the race whores out of the equation along with the thugs.
Again, I am not excusing the behaviors. I am saying that this is a massive set of issues that has allowed innuendo and half-truths to take hold. The cycle has to be reversed, before we have a chance of changing the behavior.
Its the reverse of police attitudes towards minorities.
Very sad. Its going to take a long time to set things right.
Its the reverse of police attitudes towards minorities.
Very sad. Its going to take a long time to set things right.
its just ridiculous
NYPD is 20,000 + - every walk of life, every race, color, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation and so on.
SAN ANTONIO - The unedited version of a video obtained by KSAT 12 News showing the fatal shooting of a man by two Bexar County sheriff deputies will now be made available for online viewing.
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And if it is clearly the case that the entire system had racist undertones, doesn't that increase the likelihood that some people would believe that the Michael Brown case was handled in a biased manner? I'm not saying that it was, but the system itself helped influence attitudes.
Again, we need a multi-multi-multi dimensional approach to turning this around, including every part of the justice system, plus community leadership, plus political leaders. It is going to take a very long time to make much progress, and that is very sad.
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"A police officer who was shot in the hip while responding to the wrong Atlanta-area home appears to have been shot by one of his colleagues, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said Tuesday.
The incident also left the homeowner wounded, from a gunshot wound, and the homeowner's dog dead, according to police."
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"He put his hands in the air and then he had his hands up for a few seconds and the cops shot him twice," Michael Thomas, the man who filmed the video, told CNN."
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And if it is clearly the case that the entire system had racist undertones, doesn't that increase the likelihood that some people would believe that the Michael Brown case was handled in a biased manner? I'm not saying that it was, but the system itself helped influence attitudes.
Again, we need a multi-multi-multi dimensional approach to turning this around, including every part of the justice system, plus community leadership, plus political leaders. It is going to take a very long time to make much progress, and that is very sad.
So you are essentially stating that the based on a few places like Ferguson, which you feel is racist that the entire system is racist?
Bail is not used to get a guilty plea from the accused. It is used to ensure that they show up for court. If you get arrested and cant afford to bond your self out of jail you then go before a judge for a first appearance hearing within 48-72 hours of your arrest.
Here is a radical idea for change that applies to everyone... IF YOU DONT WANT TO BE ARRESTED THEN STOP BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW!!
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huh... are you kidding? they do more harm than good? they take bullets while people run away. To generalize all of them is stupid and ignorant... you are just doing the same thing
On highways, too. I have no doubt that "driving while black" is a real thing--on the Interstate in New Jersey, as an example. Statistics are pretty much irrefutable.
I am saying that there are enough "pockets" to give minority communities a distorted belief system about police systems generally, and that feeds the cycle.
My discussions are not about placing blame. They are about finding a way out of a very scary cycle and taking excuses out of the minds of thugs. Police cams are an important step, btw. They tend to lead to more trust and fewer shootings per 1000 incidents.
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Fine. Pull them out and see how much less harm there is.
Easy for someone who is not likely to get profiled to say stupid shit like this.
You are a worthless piece of shit. Positively celebrating the death of a nameless public servant. What have you done for the minority community, or any community, save stealing oxygen?
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You almighty cop supporters are fucking annoying, they do much more harm to most minority communities than they've ever done good...
Fine. Pull them out and see how much less harm there is.
Actually just this past Christmas the cops just stopped doing their jobs and NOTHING happened.
The NYPD is Essentially Refusing to do Its Job and Yet New York Hasn’t Collapsed into Chaos Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nypd-essentially-refusing-job-york-collapsed-chaos/#1tiP1RsBueLOjtHs.99 - ( New Window )
The prick meter just blew up. After hitting an alltime high.
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You almighty cop supporters are fucking annoying, they do much more harm to most minority communities than they've ever done good...
Fine. Pull them out and see how much less harm there is.
Actually just this past Christmas the cops just stopped doing their jobs and NOTHING happened. The NYPD is Essentially Refusing to do Its Job and Yet New York Hasn’t Collapsed into Chaos Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nypd-essentially-refusing-job-york-collapsed-chaos/#1tiP1RsBueLOjtHs.99 - ( New Window )
actually the stop and frisk law left and crime has gone up since then
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You almighty cop supporters are fucking annoying, they do much more harm to most minority communities than they've ever done good...
You are a worthless piece of shit. Positively celebrating the death of a nameless public servant. What have you done for the minority community, or any community, save stealing oxygen?
Where was he positively celebrating the death of a cop? All I got was that he doesn't think much of the police as an institution overall. Why don't you go bitch about Mt Denali?
Yep, get rid of cops and their lives will improve. SMH.
On highways, too. I have no doubt that "driving while black" is a real thing--on the Interstate in New Jersey, as an example. Statistics are pretty much irrefutable.
Again you are using certain areas to generalize the entire system. How about in communities in Alaska, North and South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska, Vermont, Maine, Hawaii? what are the stats from those places?
The statistic tend to reflect how the population is distributed. Most major cities have populations that are heavy on the minority side so of course there are more statistics that show higher minority arrests.
If you have a jar of marbles and 3/4 of them are red, then chances of pulling out a red marble is higher that the other colors. You pull out 100 marbles then most of the marbles that you pull out will be red.
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You almighty cop supporters are fucking annoying, they do much more harm to most minority communities than they've ever done good...
Fine. Pull them out and see how much less harm there is.
Actually just this past Christmas the cops just stopped doing their jobs and NOTHING happened. The NYPD is Essentially Refusing to do Its Job and Yet New York Hasn’t Collapsed into Chaos Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nypd-essentially-refusing-job-york-collapsed-chaos/#1tiP1RsBueLOjtHs.99 - ( New Window )
You're driving a truck through the "essentially" pinhole.
BTW - That's the first time I've seen the names Ramos and Liu in months. Of course, the article, from that unbiased source "the free thought project" was from last December.
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You almighty cop supporters are fucking annoying, they do much more harm to most minority communities than they've ever done good...
Yep, get rid of cops and their lives will improve. SMH.
Pandering to authority definitely helps improve quality of life, but that's only if you're not on the lower end of the socio-economic scale.
Wow, leave a few breadcrumbs and the vermin are drawn out of their holes.
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You almighty cop supporters are fucking annoying, they do much more harm to most minority communities than they've ever done good...
Fine. Pull them out and see how much less harm there is.
Actually just this past Christmas the cops just stopped doing their jobs and NOTHING happened. The NYPD is Essentially Refusing to do Its Job and Yet New York Hasn’t Collapsed into Chaos Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/nypd-essentially-refusing-job-york-collapsed-chaos/#1tiP1RsBueLOjtHs.99 - ( New Window )
So somewhere in that article is evidence that the police stopped patrolling and suddenly became invisible? Can you show that to me? Please?
See if you can follow this. I am saying that there are:
--clearly pockets of racism;
--clearly overuse of prisons on the poor, which happens to include a disproportionate number of minorities;
--An out-of-control incompetent bail and plea-bargaining system;
--Vastly too much use of prisons to solve our problems.
And, that the fact that these patterns exist fuel attitudes in minority communities, and provide the worst of them with excuses for thuggish behavior.
In order to solve the attitude problems that lead to a vast increase in thuggish behavior, we need to break the cycle. Obviously, that requires believing that there is something to change, which in your case would require you to do a little homework. I am not optimistic.
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You almighty cop supporters are fucking annoying, they do much more harm to most minority communities than they've ever done good...
You are a worthless piece of shit. Positively celebrating the death of a nameless public servant. What have you done for the minority community, or any community, save stealing oxygen?
Where was he positively celebrating the death of a cop? All I got was that he doesn't think much of the police as an institution overall. Why don't you go bitch about Mt Denali?
Complaining about a thread marking the death of a public servant is pathetic. You supporting him is also pathetic.
See if you can follow this. I am saying that there are:
--clearly pockets of racism;
--clearly overuse of prisons on the poor, which happens to include a disproportionate number of minorities;
--An out-of-control incompetent bail and plea-bargaining system;
--Vastly too much use of prisons to solve our problems.
And, that the fact that these patterns exist fuel attitudes in minority communities, and provide the worst of them with excuses for thuggish behavior.
In order to solve the attitude problems that lead to a vast increase in thuggish behavior, we need to break the cycle. Obviously, that requires believing that there is something to change, which in your case would require you to do a little homework. I am not optimistic.
Really? People shoot and kill their peers because of bad cops? That's the most obtuse sort of logic.
Whether MG's intercession was appropriately timed or not, at least there is thought behind what he said. There is little or none behind the posts you're "mmhmm"ing.
These issues are beyond muddled. At the end of the day there are few jobs more thankless (regardless of the officer's skin color) than policing high risk neighborhoods. And it is very easy for us to stand back and say that this or that decision was awful (and some of them unequivocally were and merit punishment). But why should a young black man's life count only when he is a "bad shoot" (or a debatably bad shoot) for law enforcement?
To be fair, everyone else but you interpreted what he said the exact same way. With those numbers, it's probably incumbent on the speaker to make his point more clearly.
Go fuck yourself. The next time you or a loved one has an emergency or is the victim of a crime, why don't you tell the responding officer how highly you think of his profession?