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Weatherford in roster trouble?

Matt in SGS : 9/1/2015 1:51 pm
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Jordan Raanan & #8207;@JordanRaanan 2m2 minutes ago

Coughlin mentioned punting competition. Says it will extend beyond today, even if some guys aren't here. Hmmmm #giants


This is the 2nd time in a week that Coughlin has called out that the punting competition is open. They've used Malone more and more the past few games, including on holding for field goals/extra points. He has a pretty high cap # for 2015- $3.075 million. On BBI we discussed the possibility of cutting him prior to June 1, but I wonder with the money owed to him this year and next year, if the Giants are going to push him out door...or force a big restructure/pay cut.
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RE: Hammer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/1/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12447080 Eric from BBI said:
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Weatherford's been hitting the end zone this preseason.


Is that an indicator that he's fading though? I heard Papa say TC wanted to stress directional kicks, but if he's hitting end zone, that seems to be more about coverage and maybe lack of touch. Leg appeared to be live.
RE: Guys, don't forget that Weatherford has been Brown's FG holder  
Matt in SGS : 9/1/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12447097 FranknWeezer said:
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for years now, and the regular season starts in just under a week. With the longer XP's, plus how many FG tries we have traditionally seemed to get by virtue of RZ (or GZ, if you're Coach Coughlin) ineffectiveness, I would think it may be a bit late to upset the applecart of the snap/hold/kick operation. Just a thought.


Agreed, which is why it was noticeable that Malone was handling the holding duties for Brown several times this pre-season. And if they do go for Fields, he was the holder in Miami (save for the one gif of him taking a ball to the facemask)
Ten Ton Hammer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 2:38 pm : link
Weatherford used to be a decent directional punter. He seems to have lost that.

As to your question, he hasn't given his gunners a chance to make a play on the ball. He's hit it too hard down the middle of the field in situations where he has to pooch punt the ball.
FranknWeezer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 2:39 pm : link
that's why Malone was holding last week.
funny you say that  
UConn4523 : 9/1/2015 2:40 pm : link
on his instagram account everything is about fitness, lifting, and eating. I don't think I've seen one video of him actually playing football in any form on it, let alone practice.

Now that doesn't mean he isn't doing it but it's strange with how much he posts that almost none of it is about football.
This  
AcidTest : 9/1/2015 2:40 pm : link
thread makes me think that Weatherford really could be gone. Also think Mosley could be as well, or at least put on IR. He hasn't played in the last two weeks.
AcidTest  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 2:42 pm : link
Mosley has to be history. Even if IR'ed, I think they eventually come to an injury settlement.
Did someone say directional kicks?  
Matt in SGS : 9/1/2015 2:42 pm : link
Weatherford doesn't really use his twitter or instagram  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/1/2015 2:42 pm : link
to try to explain how hard he's working at his job though. You have to be careful not to overanalyze. He's using it for his personal life.

Eric, thanks.
Do you think if SW is indeed cuttable,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 2:44 pm : link
TC will wait for final cuts or part with him now so he can hook up elsewhere?
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 2:46 pm : link
not convinced he is gone...they may be trying to scare him.

But there has always been stuff with him that has to piss off Coughlin...i.e., social media stuff. Even ripping Tebow recently.
Lets keep Tom Quinn, though..  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/1/2015 2:47 pm : link
Brilliant.
Didn't he  
diz in STL : 9/1/2015 2:48 pm : link
tear a ligament or tendon in his plant foot/ankle last year as well?
eric is right about weatherford  
GiantsFan84 : 9/1/2015 2:49 pm : link
his punting has been very average for some time now. he's a great guy and has a great physique, but his punting leaves a lot to be desired. a lot.
RE: AcidTest  
AcidTest : 9/1/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12447131 Eric from BBI said:
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Mosley has to be history. Even if IR'ed, I think they eventually come to an injury settlement.


I think so, the injury settlement that you mentioned. When his back heals, he'd probably want to have a chance to hook on with another team right away. Robinson is also gone IMO. Strange that they were both taken a few picks apart.
RE: I'm  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 2:50 pm : link
In comment 12447146 Eric from BBI said:
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not convinced he is gone...they may be trying to scare him.

But there has always been stuff with him that has to piss off Coughlin...i.e., social media stuff. Even ripping Tebow recently.


That's not fair to SW, E..His social media stuff(beyond weight-training and his love of family) has given him access to schools, TC's Jay Fund and other causes to help the disabled and depraved..I doubt TC is anything but supportive of SW's giving his selfless time to be helpful
BB'56  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 2:51 pm : link
Sure it's fair when he taunts the other team.
RE: BB'56  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12447160 Eric from BBI said:
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Sure it's fair when he taunts the other team.


We all get carried away at times..I'm sure he got an earful from TC..I doubt that would cause TC to be turned off by him
why sudden turn on weatherford?  
micky : 9/1/2015 2:53 pm : link
New target?
RE: Weatherford doesn't really use his twitter or instagram  
UConn4523 : 9/1/2015 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12447136 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to try to explain how hard he's working at his job though. You have to be careful not to overanalyze. He's using it for his personal life.

Eric, thanks.


Definitely, that's why I said that it could mean absolutely nothing. just kinda surprised you don't see him punt the ball or anything on there.
I like that there is competition for the punter's job....  
penkap75 : 9/1/2015 3:02 pm : link
yet somehow Kuhn is a starter?
Guess it's the vitriole  
micky : 9/1/2015 3:04 pm : link
People have on here lately
RE: Guess it's the vitriole  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 3:08 pm : link
In comment 12447190 micky said:
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People have on here lately


Lately?

:)
micky  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
No one is "turning" on Weatherford.

He hasn't punted well.

This shit got real last week when Malone spit the punts with him and then held for the snaps.

Coughlin is the one who has now said it is an open competition. Today he said Weatherford is also competing with guys cut on the waiver wire.

RE: Guys, don't forget that Weatherford has been Brown's FG holder  
JFIB : 9/1/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12447097 FranknWeezer said:
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for years now, and the regular season starts in just under a week. With the longer XP's, plus how many FG tries we have traditionally seemed to get by virtue of RZ (or GZ, if you're Coach Coughlin) ineffectiveness, I would think it may be a bit late to upset the applecart of the snap/hold/kick operation. Just a thought.


This is an excellent point!
Weatherford was looking average at best last year..  
BigBlue89 : 9/1/2015 3:16 pm : link
So if he gets cut, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
RE: micky  
AcidTest : 9/1/2015 3:17 pm : link
In comment 12447219 Eric from BBI said:
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No one is "turning" on Weatherford.

He hasn't punted well.

This shit got real last week when Malone spit the punts with him and then held for the snaps.

Coughlin is the one who has now said it is an open competition. Today he said Weatherford is also competing with guys cut on the waiver wire.


Based on TC's latest comment, maybe they want to replace him, but not with Malone. In any event, I agree that Malone splitting the punts and getting to hold is not a good sign for Weatherford.
RE: why sudden turn on weatherford?  
David in LA : 9/1/2015 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12447167 micky said:
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New target?


His performance was shaky all preseason, and he hasn't shown he's completely back from the ankle/foot injury last year.
'56 keeps banging on the 'preseason don't matter at all' drum  
David in LA : 9/1/2015 3:21 pm : link
No offense, but do you watch games with your eyes or heart?
RE: '56 keeps banging on the 'preseason don't matter at all' drum  
Jon in NYC : 9/1/2015 3:31 pm : link
In comment 12447238 David in LA said:
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No offense, but do you watch games with your eyes or heart?


I watch games with my eyes closed by heart open.
*  
Jon in NYC : 9/1/2015 3:31 pm : link
and
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2015 3:40 pm : link
Q: Where does the punting situation stand right now with Steve Weatherford?

A: Where does it? Well, there’s a game to go and it’s going to be a competitive thing. Not necessarily with the guys that are here. That goes for any position. Any position. People have to understand that. You’re not competing just against the guys here, you’re competing against the waiver wire.

Q: Well, what have you wanted to see out of Steve?

A: Well, you know what we’re always after is directional, hang time, distance, location, hang, and the opportunity to put us in the best position from a coverage standpoint. Basically for me, it’s always been put it outside the numbers.

Q: How do you think he’s done with that?

A: Well, he’s been off and on. He’s had some good ones and he’s had some that aren’t so good.
RE: '56 keeps banging on the 'preseason don't matter at all' drum  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12447238 David in LA said:
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No offense, but do you watch games with your eyes or heart?


Pre-season? Always with my eyes..In my 60 years of Giants Football, I can't recall too many, if any pre-seasons meaning anything..Pre-season is for getting in shape(now more than ever), getting players acclimated to each other and seeing as many players in-game as is possible prior to cutdown from 90 to 46..

There aren't many snaps for players to get into any kind of flow imo..As I said, some teams look great, "ready" and good to go during pre-season and in many cases look nothing like their pre-season accomplishments, such as they are..

That's how I, dorgan, FMiC and many others view it..It's why I've never, ever, been concerned about pre-season performance..I take it for what I perceive it is..

Feel free to judge Eli amd other players by their 15-20 snaps a game(I am not being sarcastic)..I refuse to, either way
'56, you're argument here  
David in LA : 9/1/2015 3:56 pm : link
is that you agree with Dorgan and Fatman, but I don't think they'd say preseason doesn't matter at all. I don't know where your Eli comment is coming from, the evaluation that goes into QB play is much more complex than a punter routinely making poor kicks without giving coverage a chance, and in the middle of the field. Eli is the last of my worries.
RE: '56, you're argument here  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 3:59 pm : link
In comment 12447327 David in LA said:
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is that you agree with Dorgan and Fatman, but I don't think they'd say preseason doesn't matter at all. I don't know where your Eli comment is coming from, the evaluation that goes into QB play is much more complex than a punter routinely making poor kicks without giving coverage a chance, and in the middle of the field. Eli is the last of my worries.


I'll let them speak for themselves..My feeling is that they're basically in agreement with what I wrote re what pre-season is for..If not, they'll certainly set the record straight..:)

Eli was just an example, not the thrust of my point..Am I missing YOUR point? Perhaps I am
Here are just a few quotes from the Fatman, that I just read on  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 4:03 pm : link
another thread:

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I don't know how good or bad the team will be, but anyone, I mean anyone, who bases how they will do because of the preseason is simply out of their gourd. Eli never plays well in the preseason, TC treats them like glorified scrimmages and we don't gameplan, and people wonder why we are outmatched and look dreadful?


And

Yes...
FatMan in Charlotte : 3:53 pm : link : reply
We've looked so outmatched and dreadful in the regular season that we've had two losing seasons since 2004.

Having watched this team for 42 years or so (and damn I feel old typing that), very rarely has preseason translated into the regular season results. That's why guys like Sean Bennett became legends. It is why Eli has never done well in the preseason and is a two time SB MVP.

i really don't know how smart it is to realize this, but it certainly is dumb to not realize it.






'56, Fatman sounded like he's talking about  
David in LA : 9/1/2015 4:08 pm : link
the overall flow of the game. I get what pre-season is for. However, if someone is blowing assignments, or simply not executing, I don't know how that is not a red flag.
RE: '56, Fatman sounded like he's talking about  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 4:11 pm : link
In comment 12447361 David in LA said:
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the overall flow of the game. I get what pre-season is for. However, if someone is blowing assignments, or simply not executing, I don't know how that is not a red flag.


I hear you, but with limited snaps, I wouldn't quite assign a red flag to it..Now if it continues unabated during the regular season AFTER they ostensibly should be in sync, THEN, I worry
Weatherford doesn't concern you at all, especially  
David in LA : 9/1/2015 4:13 pm : link
knowing that he's coming off of that ankle/foot injury? Steve's been a solid punter for us, but I don't think Coughlin would put him on blast twice if he wasn't worried himself!
Malone was cut  
Bill in UT : 9/1/2015 4:15 pm : link
so he's safe for the moment
Well, it won't be Malone  
SwirlingEddie : 9/1/2015 4:16 pm : link
He's been waived.
RE: Weatherford doesn't concern you at all, especially  
Big Blue '56 : 9/1/2015 4:16 pm : link
In comment 12447383 David in LA said:
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knowing that he's coming off of that ankle/foot injury? Steve's been a solid punter for us, but I don't think Coughlin would put him on blast twice if he wasn't worried himself!


From his Facebook posts, he has said his ankle wasn't an issue..He's been saying that for months I believe..Worried? Not quite yet..If he's deemed to be on the downslope, then he needs to be replaced
What's Matt Dodge up to these days?  
SirSirob : 9/1/2015 4:29 pm : link
Probably working at a Dodge Dealership.
RE: ...  
Les in TO : 9/1/2015 5:05 pm : link
In comment 12447281 Eric from BBI said:
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Q: Where does the punting situation stand right now with Steve Weatherford?

A: Where does it? Well, there’s a game to go and it’s going to be a competitive thing. Not necessarily with the guys that are here. That goes for any position. Any position. People have to understand that. You’re not competing just against the guys here, you’re competing against the waiver wire.

Q: Well, what have you wanted to see out of Steve?

A: Well, you know what we’re always after is directional, hang time, distance, location, hang, and the opportunity to put us in the best position from a coverage standpoint. Basically for me, it’s always been put it outside the numbers.

Q: How do you think he’s done with that?

A: Well, he’s been off and on. He’s had some good ones and he’s had some that aren’t so good.
not a ringing endorsement.
RE: RE: Weatherford doesn't concern you at all, especially  
David in LA : 9/1/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12447406 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12447383 David in LA said:


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knowing that he's coming off of that ankle/foot injury? Steve's been a solid punter for us, but I don't think Coughlin would put him on blast twice if he wasn't worried himself!



From his Facebook posts, he has said his ankle wasn't an issue..He's been saying that for months I believe..Worried? Not quite yet..If he's deemed to be on the downslope, then he needs to be replaced


Being a Giants fan, you should know damn well never to take a player at his word when they're talking about injuries. :-)
RE: RE: '56 keeps banging on the 'preseason don't matter at all' drum  
Jon : 9/1/2015 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12447287 Big Blue '56 said:
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That's how I, dorgan, FMiC and many others view it..


I hope we can replace him  
5BowlsSoon : 9/1/2015 7:11 pm : link
But I doubt we do. I don't think the Giants put much stock in their punter like other teams do.
anything Quinn touches  
SHO'NUFF : 9/1/2015 7:21 pm : link
turns to shit.
In hindsight  
RetroJint : 9/2/2015 6:56 am : link
Some of the stuff Westhoff said about Weatherford turned out to be true. Remember Quinn is the second special teams coordinator who cannot stand the guy. Every week will be test for Steve to keep his spot. He could get it at the last cut or Week 4 or whenever. He would be gone had they a better alternative than Mallone.
if he makes it to week one  
fkap : 9/2/2015 7:32 am : link
unless he shits the bed worse than he has now, he's here for the season. his salary is guaranteed for the season if he's on the roster week one.

I wouldn't cut him solely for cap reasons, but it has to be a consideration if you can get equal production for less cost. even though we don't need the money now, it can still be put to good use next offseason.
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