Terry realizes this game is prob a loss and is assessing 3 players in question so he has an idea what he needs going forward.
Yes he is risking losing the game but he is also gaining who he can trust in a big spot.
EOF is prob cut tomorrow and Parnell might not make it past one more bad appearance
Not to be a jerk but thats just stupid. It was a 2 run game and he had Reed, Robles, Goedell, and Gilmartin available and he put in the 3 worst possible guys in order. Thats about as awful of a job to be done.
I think after Parnell blew it up TC chose to go to Torres and EOF , which is what I base My statement on
How else do you test these guys under pressure , sucks but you could win from this too
The only testing we need to be doing is with Dario Alvarez VS EOF and they need to be in against lefties only. Parnell was never making a damn playoff roster. There is no testing there.
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a la what Rory is saying. I actually don't expect much from Goedell because I don't think he is fully healthy. But he is a guy who could conceivably make the postseason roster.
Parnell has zero chance. He has lost 6-7 mph off his fastball, and when he does rear back and throw a 95 mph fastball, he has no control. This is a guy who used to be able to hit 102 mph on the gun and could throw 98 mph with ease.
And I can understand that, but he's earned it tonight.
There is no "testing out" Parnell, EOF, and Torres at this point on the season. You know what they are. You test out Reed and Alvarez. If you think Terry had a "plan" for those moves then you are giving him way too much credit.
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That's one reason players like him. Parnell pitched a lot of great games for Terry his first few years as manager and I think Terry wants to give him every last chance to prove himself.
That would be fine in June. But it's September. The Mets do have a decent lead over the Nats but not enough to be throwing away games. And throwing away a game is precisely what Terry did tonight.
a la what Rory is saying. I actually don't expect much from Goedell because I don't think he is fully healthy. But he is a guy who could conceivably make the postseason roster.
Parnell has zero chance. He has lost 6-7 mph off his fastball, and when he does rear back and throw a 95 mph fastball, he has no control. This is a guy who used to be able to hit 102 mph on the gun and could throw 98 mph with ease.
His arm just has not made it all the way back yet
Goedell was absolutely phenomenal for us for the first third of the season. You absolutely are optimistic with his return. Not even remotely the same thing as Parnell and EOF who have been getting their brains beat in all year.
Its up to Sandy. Sandy needs to DFA Parnell and replace hime with Dario Alvarez in a couple days. Cant even leave Terry the option. Sorry Bobby. Would have been nice for you to be with the team and with your friends for a month but Terry fucked up the whole thing by thinking you were here to actually pitch. lol
but we just lost a game on the Nats for no apparent reason whatsoever. Just complete sloppy managing tonight. Almost shocking even.
They've scored 14 against 4 different pitchers. Your optimism on a victory is impressive.
Seriously? You didn't feel like we were coming back after it was 6-4? Is this a joke? He went to the absolute worst three option in our pen and worked from the bottom up. What are you trying to say here exactly? That we suck? We have no pitching?
Its up to Sandy. Sandy needs to DFA Parnell and replace hime with Dario Alvarez in a couple days. Cant even leave Terry the option. Sorry Bobby. Would have been nice for you to be with the team and with your friends for a month but Terry fucked up the whole thing by thinking you were here to actually pitch. lol
Please save Collins from himself. Parnell is not going to get better any time soon for this postseason run and he is giong to be a FA.
Just DFA his ass and wish him the best. He was never that good even when he was healthy.
do you think Terry would NOT use Parnell in a situation in a playoff game?
Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
pitched in 15 games, 14 innings, this year in the minors, Bing and St Lucie. He was 0-2 for each team with a 12.27 ERA for Bing and a 10.80 ERA for St Lucie. Among his other glorious stats he walked 14 in the 14 innings.
And TC was "testing" him in a 2 run game game in Sept in the middle of a pennant race?
do you think Terry would NOT use Parnell in a situation in a playoff game?
Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
Parnell would never make the roster. Thats Sandy's call and he knows better.
do you think Terry would NOT use Parnell in a situation in a playoff game?
Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
Parnell would never make the roster. Thats Sandy's call and he knows better.
But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
do you think Terry would NOT use Parnell in a situation in a playoff game?
Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
Parnell would never make the roster. Thats Sandy's call and he knows better.
Let's hope so.
Zero chance. No room. Guys like Torres won't make it either. We have a 6 man rotation and at least one, maybe two will be moving over to the pen to boot.
But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
Im not arguing that but how is that different than Murphy, Wright and about 90% of our entire roster? The only person I see busting his ass down the line every single time is Cuddyer and everyone here hated him not that long ago.
But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
Im not arguing that but how is that different than Murphy, Wright and about 90% of our entire roster? The only person I see busting his ass down the line every single time is Cuddyer and everyone here hated him not that long ago.
None of those guys would have their hands on their knees watching a play they should be backing up.
Look, I'm obviously not alone in this thinking but we'll just have to disagree on this topic...I don't want to spend the rest of the night debating it : )
But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
Im not arguing that but how is that different than Murphy, Wright and about 90% of our entire roster? The only person I see busting his ass down the line every single time is Cuddyer and everyone here hated him not that long ago.
None of those guys would have their hands on their knees watching a play they should be backing up.
Look, I'm obviously not alone in this thinking but we'll just have to disagree on this topic...I don't want to spend the rest of the night debating it : )
Im with you. And I agree that play was indefensible. It really was. I think he thought it was gone but we'll never know for sure. Outside of that though I haven't seen a whole lot. You say you have so Im on the look out. lol
I think things can change but right now my guess would be:
Starters:
Degrom
Harvey
Matz
Colon (starts game 4)
Pen:
Thor
Niese
Familia
Clippard
Reed
Gilmartin
Robles
Obviously, I'm assuming Matz picks up where he left off, but I think he will. In fact, I think he is a future ace. I don't really see any room for Torres and Parnell. EOF has not been effective against LH since coming to the Mets.
I know some think Colon and/or Niese will be left off the roster but that seems highly unlikely imo. Guys who start 30 games go to the pen in the postseason.
Think Niese would would still favor Colon for now but that doesn't effect your roster. I still think you might go one shorter though if your trying to get somebody like EYJ on the team. I also think Terry/Sandy will want that extra LOOGY so the winner of the Dario Alvarez/EOF battle likely makes it.
You should go back, lol. This has turned into a TC hatefest...and I know you don't like that : )
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Terry realizes this game is prob a loss and is assessing 3 players in question so he has an idea what he needs going forward.
Yes he is risking losing the game but he is also gaining who he can trust in a big spot.
EOF is prob cut tomorrow and Parnell might not make it past one more bad appearance
Not to be a jerk but thats just stupid. It was a 2 run game and he had Reed, Robles, Goedell, and Gilmartin available and he put in the 3 worst possible guys in order. Thats about as awful of a job to be done.
I think after Parnell blew it up TC chose to go to Torres and EOF , which is what I base My statement on
How else do you test these guys under pressure , sucks but you could win from this too
The only testing we need to be doing is with Dario Alvarez VS EOF and they need to be in against lefties only. Parnell was never making a damn playoff roster. There is no testing there.
Worst game of the season this side of the pre-trade rain game.
Oh Hey buddy
Parnell has zero chance. He has lost 6-7 mph off his fastball, and when he does rear back and throw a 95 mph fastball, he has no control. This is a guy who used to be able to hit 102 mph on the gun and could throw 98 mph with ease.
His arm just has not made it all the way back yet
I read that as player assessment.
There is no "testing out" Parnell, EOF, and Torres at this point on the season. You know what they are. You test out Reed and Alvarez. If you think Terry had a "plan" for those moves then you are giving him way too much credit.
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Wowzers.
You should go back, lol. This has turned into a TC hatefest...and I know you don't like that : )
It's justified tonight, his decision to bring the two biggest turds into this game right when we got back into it was inexplicable.
I have no problem getting on the guy when he does something stupid. Most managers will at some point.
That would be fine in June. But it's September. The Mets do have a decent lead over the Nats but not enough to be throwing away games. And throwing away a game is precisely what Terry did tonight.
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Wowzers.
You should go back, lol. This has turned into a TC hatefest...and I know you don't like that : )
It's justified tonight, his decision to bring the two biggest turds into this game right when we got back into it was inexplicable.
I have no problem getting on the guy when he does something stupid. Most managers will at some point.
Lol, I've tried to hold back lately for you arc...but I just couldn't tonight. Had to get it out of my system.
Parnell has zero chance. He has lost 6-7 mph off his fastball, and when he does rear back and throw a 95 mph fastball, he has no control. This is a guy who used to be able to hit 102 mph on the gun and could throw 98 mph with ease.
His arm just has not made it all the way back yet
Goedell was absolutely phenomenal for us for the first third of the season. You absolutely are optimistic with his return. Not even remotely the same thing as Parnell and EOF who have been getting their brains beat in all year.
They've scored 14 against 4 different pitchers. Your optimism on a victory is impressive.
EOF Parnell and Torres will not betaking any roster spots on the 25.
And ...the Mets might make one more attempt at getting another lefty specialist.
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Wowzers.
You should go back, lol. This has turned into a TC hatefest...and I know you don't like that : )
It's justified tonight, his decision to bring the two biggest turds into this game right when we got back into it was inexplicable.
I have no problem getting on the guy when he does something stupid. Most managers will at some point.
Lol, I've tried to hold back lately for you arc...but I just couldn't tonight. Had to get it out of my system.
By all means.. tonight it's warranted.
Hey look.. Gilmartin just struck out the side. Guess we couldn't use him when the game was actually still in the balance though.
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but we just lost a game on the Nats for no apparent reason whatsoever. Just complete sloppy managing tonight. Almost shocking even.
They've scored 14 against 4 different pitchers. Your optimism on a victory is impressive.
Seriously? You didn't feel like we were coming back after it was 6-4? Is this a joke? He went to the absolute worst three option in our pen and worked from the bottom up. What are you trying to say here exactly? That we suck? We have no pitching?
Please save Collins from himself. Parnell is not going to get better any time soon for this postseason run and he is giong to be a FA.
Just DFA his ass and wish him the best. He was never that good even when he was healthy.
Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
And I guess Cespedes' shoulder is fine.
And TC was "testing" him in a 2 run game game in Sept in the middle of a pennant race?
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Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
Parnell would never make the roster. Thats Sandy's call and he knows better.
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do you think Terry would NOT use Parnell in a situation in a playoff game?
Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
Parnell would never make the roster. Thats Sandy's call and he knows better.
Let's hope so.
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
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do you think Terry would NOT use Parnell in a situation in a playoff game?
Because I can totally see that coming and god help this manager if it does. I think he likes to lean on veterans and he will not look at past results to make his calls.
Parnell would never make the roster. Thats Sandy's call and he knows better.
Let's hope so.
Zero chance. No room. Guys like Torres won't make it either. We have a 6 man rotation and at least one, maybe two will be moving over to the pen to boot.
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
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But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
Im not arguing that but how is that different than Murphy, Wright and about 90% of our entire roster? The only person I see busting his ass down the line every single time is Cuddyer and everyone here hated him not that long ago.
Fuck
An we get to see Reed now
So go cardinals
Go ahead , not to the face please
Even phipsi can get a shot
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But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
Im not arguing that but how is that different than Murphy, Wright and about 90% of our entire roster? The only person I see busting his ass down the line every single time is Cuddyer and everyone here hated him not that long ago.
None of those guys would have their hands on their knees watching a play they should be backing up.
Look, I'm obviously not alone in this thinking but we'll just have to disagree on this topic...I don't want to spend the rest of the night debating it : )
An we get to see Reed now
So go cardinals
Go ahead , not to the face please
Even phipsi can get a shot
All good man.
An we get to see Reed now
So go cardinals
Go ahead , not to the face please
Even phipsi can get a shot
Nope, I'm good. Nobody is a winner with this game, lol. We've all taken our lumps.
Except arc..he's just fucking perfect
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But Ive seen a lot of hustle from Cespedes in this game. He flew over from CF into the gap and almost threw out a runner at third earlier. Flying around the bases trying to leg out a triple down by 9 runs? Why would he do that?
Anyways. Back to to the Terry bashing.
Dude, come on. Plenty of people have seen his lack of hustle plenty of times in his short time here. The next time he legs out a routine grounder will be his first. He obviously hustles sometimes but he doesn't hustle way too much.
Im not arguing that but how is that different than Murphy, Wright and about 90% of our entire roster? The only person I see busting his ass down the line every single time is Cuddyer and everyone here hated him not that long ago.
None of those guys would have their hands on their knees watching a play they should be backing up.
Look, I'm obviously not alone in this thinking but we'll just have to disagree on this topic...I don't want to spend the rest of the night debating it : )
Im with you. And I agree that play was indefensible. It really was. I think he thought it was gone but we'll never know for sure. Outside of that though I haven't seen a whole lot. You say you have so Im on the look out. lol
Starters:
Degrom
Harvey
Matz
Colon (starts game 4)
Pen:
Thor
Niese
Familia
Clippard
Reed
Gilmartin
Robles
Obviously, I'm assuming Matz picks up where he left off, but I think he will. In fact, I think he is a future ace. I don't really see any room for Torres and Parnell. EOF has not been effective against LH since coming to the Mets.
I know some think Colon and/or Niese will be left off the roster but that seems highly unlikely imo. Guys who start 30 games go to the pen in the postseason.
One hell of a pen if you ask me.