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NFT: Police Officer Shoots Unarmed Man: Worst One Yet, IMO

Mike in Long Beach : 9/1/2015 11:15 pm
When starting a thread, I almost never open up with an opinion because I don't like having any impact on how the discussion plays out... but if this video is as it appears to be, it's cold blooded attempted murder.

Maybe something threatening was said. I'm open. I want more details. But this video looks like bad, bad news.
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FYI  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/1/2015 11:16 pm : link
Video linked contains a man being shot from a bit of a distance.
The cop stood there  
Sarasota-Phil : 9/1/2015 11:54 pm : link
Broad daylight, the man's hands held high and he just shot him for no reason.
happens quickly  
GiantNatty : 9/2/2015 12:00 am : link
but it's possible that the suspect reached for his waist first and the officer shoots him immediately thereafter (and if that's the case, it's a justifiable shooting). If you watch right before the shot, the suspect does reach for his waistband and the officer steps back as though he had seen something that made him retreat a step.
hard to tell because the distance delays the sound of when the gunshot was actually fired, but I do see the suspect bend and reach before the officer shoots...
I can't see what he's doing with  
halfback20 : 9/2/2015 12:11 am : link
his left hand in the video. I can see that his right hand is raised.

Definitely doesn't look good, but there is supposedly another video that is much closer. I'm sure we'll see that eventually and if they shot him for no reason, I have no doubt in my mind they will be charged.
We definitely need more info before judging  
BlackLight : 9/2/2015 12:40 am : link
But two points that may be relevant:

-There were two cops who fired basically simultaneously.

-Earlier in the video, before the guy raises his hands, the cops had clear shots at the guy, and you could even see them backpeddle as the guy advances on them. But they held their fire.

The sheriff's office is saying the guy was armed (not sure with what), and that they had tried Tasering him earlier, without success.

the guy had a knife...  
silverfox : 9/2/2015 4:48 am : link
...and he brutally had bloodied and harmed two people inside an apartment. The cops were answering a domestic violence call and those are the worse kind. Ask any cop...most cops are killed in domestic calls than any other type.
Mike  
JOrthman : 9/2/2015 5:03 am : link
This isn't on you, but the media is contributing to the problem. They are in a frenzy to post every clip they find in hopes of being the first to show the cops doing something illegal. They are posting this before any facts are in. Now, half the people will never follow this story to its conclusion and rightly or wrongly will assume it was not a justified shooting. In the end it will only contribute to more anecdotal evidence of police out of control.
Come on Mike  
Mister Charming : 9/2/2015 6:43 am : link
You can clearly see his right hand, not his left. Let's wait until the true story comes out before we label these guys. We have half a video from what sounds like some street thug shot 50-100 yards away. People are quick to show these videos against police, yet refuse to discuss the inner city war zones. Welcome to Obama's America.
What I can't tell  
chuckydee9 : 9/2/2015 6:48 am : link
is that did the guy moved his hand before or after being shot. It could have been that the cops thought he was reaching for something and shot him.. Also he definitely wasn't co-operating earlier... Cops are definitely to blame a little for this even if the conditions I laid out above are true... but if they are true then the guy is to be blamed as well... When cops pull out their guns just raise your hands and listen to their instructions... these people are stupid
RE: the guy had a knife...  
Britt in VA : 9/2/2015 7:03 am : link
In comment 12448258 silverfox said:
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...and he brutally had bloodied and harmed two people inside an apartment. The cops were answering a domestic violence call and those are the worse kind. Ask any cop...most cops are killed in domestic calls than any other type.


This. He had beaten up a woman and a baby and was brandishing a knife from the story I read. He approached the cops several times with the knife and then backed off.

I hate social media getting involved in this shit. A bunch of internet crimesolvers on the case. It's going to be our undoing as a society.
RE: RE: the guy had a knife...  
Sean : 9/2/2015 7:06 am : link
In comment 12448277 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 12448258 silverfox said:


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...and he brutally had bloodied and harmed two people inside an apartment. The cops were answering a domestic violence call and those are the worse kind. Ask any cop...most cops are killed in domestic calls than any other type.



This. He had beaten up a woman and a baby and was brandishing a knife from the story I read. He approached the cops several times with the knife and then backed off.

I hate social media getting involved in this shit. A bunch of internet crimesolvers on the case. It's going to be our undoing as a society.


I agree completely. This is such a gotcha! society.
It used to be that when people found injustice and wanted it to change  
Britt in VA : 9/2/2015 7:24 am : link
they did something about it.

Now, for the most part, they just bitch and whine about it.

Want to make a difference? Go sign up for the Police Force. Make a difference.
RE: Come on Mike  
charlito : 9/2/2015 7:27 am : link
In comment 12448270 Mister Charming said:
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You can clearly see his right hand, not his left. Let's wait until the true story comes out before we label these guys. We have half a video from what sounds like some street thug shot 50-100 yards away. People are quick to show these videos against police, yet refuse to discuss the inner city war zones. Welcome to Obama's America.


So Baltimore and Chicago's murder rate was low under George Bush's administration.
Obama's America  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 7:38 am : link
Where every failure in your personal life can be pinned on Obama's America. You get fired because you suck? Obama's America. Your kids are stoned out drop outs? Obama's America. Your wife's ass is wider than tractor trailer? Obama's America. You drive a 15 year old piece of shit that can't go faster than 45? Obama's America. Your mobile home has mold? Obama's America
Probably an instance where putting body cams on the cops would help  
WideRight : 9/2/2015 7:50 am : link
It looks bad obviously. If there was more to it, cams on the cops would show it. If it really was as bad as it looks, putting cams on those guys would have made them less likely to do that. Could have saved a life under that scenario.

Guns are everywhere, cameras are everywhere  
WideRight : 9/2/2015 7:52 am : link
Police only have guns. They have to fight the camera war too.

If the only cameras are in the hands of third parties, cops will have no control over the content that goes viral.
Obama's America  
Mister Charming : 9/2/2015 8:13 am : link
Police Officer murdered in cold blood, no words spoken. Street thug and robbery suspect shot after attempting to take officers weapon, national "hero". That is sickening.
RE: Probably an instance where putting body cams on the cops would help  
Fort Mill Mike : 9/2/2015 8:20 am : link
In comment 12448297 WideRight said:
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It looks bad obviously. If there was more to it, cams on the cops would show it. If it really was as bad as it looks, putting cams on those guys would have made them less likely to do that. Could have saved a life under that scenario.


WideRight, I agree for the need for body cams, but at the same time, states shouldn't be allowed to control the images and shield them from public view, like many are doing it trying to do. It must be put into law that those images are part of the public record and should be accessible on request, the same as police incident reports.
Yes  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 8:21 am : link
everything is Obama's fault
I get the confusion  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2015 8:21 am : link
after Michael Brown was killed the President made a point of saying:

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President Obama said the shooting death of a black teen by a white police officer last month in Ferguson, Missouri, exposed the racial divide in the American justice system that “stains the heart of black children.”

Speaking at the annual Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, Mr. Obama said the death of Michael Brown “awakened our nation” to a reality that black citizens already understood.

“In too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement,” Mr. Obama said. “Too many young men of color feel targeted by law enforcement — guilty of walking while black or driving while black, judged by stereotypes that fuel fear and resentment and hopelessness.”


and he even had Brown's parents as guests at the White House and really made them mini-celebrities for a while.

Now, I might be slightly off in the facts, but hasn't it been proven that Brown had a lengthy criminal history and in this specific case was quite possibly the aggressor with the officer and the shooting was justified? I believe the attorney general even conducted an investigation into civil rights violations.

In either case 8 police officers in 9 days have been murdered and the President doesn't offer one word of support.

I think that's sort of what people refer to.

Here is an excerpt from am article summing up the sentiment:

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Law enforcement officials are frustrated by the Obama administration’s failure to address the “anti-cop” rhetoric coming from the Black Lives Matter movement, and some fear it’s promoting a climate of violence against police officers that may have contributed to Friday’s fatal ambush of a Houston sheriff’s deputy.

Noting that President Obama and other administration officials have quickly spoken out after shootings involving black civilians, Ronald T. Hosko, president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, said officers are yearning to hear similar support when officers are targeted.

“Where are their voices today? Who is going to be the adult in the room to pull these groups together?” Mr. Hosko said. “Somebody needs to do it. I don’t see and hear from the president when a cop gets shot and killed.”
Obama's America  
SicilianGMEN : 9/2/2015 8:22 am : link
Lowest Unemployment Rate in over 15 years, Lowest Gas Prices in 12 years, Highest DJI ever.....
If Obama ran for a 3rd term  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 8:24 am : link
he'd win in a romp. But since he can't and won't it is just a hypothetical
For all of those asking for the facts to come out...  
BurberryManning : 9/2/2015 8:32 am : link
what ever became of Zachary Hammond, the unarmed young man from South Carolina that was fatally shot by police while on a date?

"The State Law Enforcement Division is investigating the shooting but has not released any information, including video of the incident from the officer’s dashboard camera, despite requests from The Greenville News under the state Freedom of Information Act."

So it's been almost one month later and no indicative reports from this investigation? Just how exhaustive an investigation is this, and at nearly a month ongoing I'd have to question the competency of those leading this investigation if a very good grasp of the situation hasn't been determined as of yet.

So, while we hear cries of "waiting for the facts to come out" it begs us to question if/when/how the facts do come out.
RE: Obama's America  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2015 8:36 am : link
In comment 12448328 SicilianGMEN said:
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Lowest Unemployment Rate in over 15 years, Lowest Gas Prices in 12 years, Highest DJI ever.....


I thought people stopped quoting published unemployment rate numbers years ago. There are people smarter than me who can explain this to you, but the unemployment rate published by the government (under any administration) is not a true measure of unemployment for a variety of reasons. E-P ratio (employment-population ratio) is far more meaningful and indicative of the health of the workforce. Maybe kicker can explain it to you if google doesn't.
Try to get into a good restaurant  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 8:42 am : link
on a weekend. Go to a shopping center and try to get a parking spot in the afternoon on a weekend. Look out on the roads, more new cars then anytime I remember. People are going out and spending, in 2009 everything I wrote previously was the opposite. So you cry how bad things are, I'll go by the real world
It does look bad.  
Gmen703 : 9/2/2015 8:43 am : link
Body cameras would help if they have them. If were LE, I would want them.

I will say that video from ordinary citizens has helped dispute/correct police accounts of arrests and/or use of deadly force in some instances. The more videos the merrier. Sorta like instant replay angles.

And Charming is just that, isn't he/she. Internet anonymity, blessing and curse.
I dont think 8 cops have been MURDERED in 9 days  
Deej : 9/2/2015 8:45 am : link
I saw an article about the recent cop deaths. 1 was a heart attack and 3 were vehicle crashes (non-chase).
RE: Try to get into a good restaurant  
GMenLTS : 9/2/2015 8:55 am : link
In comment 12448354 Headhunter said:
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on a weekend. Go to a shopping center and try to get a parking spot in the afternoon on a weekend. Look out on the roads, more new cars then anytime I remember. People are going out and spending, in 2009 everything I wrote previously was the opposite. So you cry how bad things are, I'll go by the real world


The real world number aren't that good, but carry on with your anecdotes...
real world ***numbers  
GMenLTS : 9/2/2015 8:55 am : link
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RE: I dont think 8 cops have been MURDERED in 9 days  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2015 8:56 am : link
In comment 12448357 Deej said:
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I saw an article about the recent cop deaths. 1 was a heart attack and 3 were vehicle crashes (non-chase).


You are correct, my apologies, 4 murders in 9 days.
Don't engage me  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 8:56 am : link
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It'd be nice if people stopped blaming everything on the president  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/2/2015 8:58 am : link
and started spending more time looking at their local do-nothings that get to run around blameless and stay elected for years.
RE: Obama's America  
BigBlueShock : 9/2/2015 8:58 am : link
In comment 12448328 SicilianGMEN said:
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Lowest Unemployment Rate in over 15 years, Lowest Gas Prices in 12 years, Highest DJI ever.....

Do you really think any president has any effect whatsoever on gas prices? Really? You should do some research as to why the prices are so low.
blaming anyone other than yourself  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 8:59 am : link
for your situation in life is a cop out.
President may not have anything to do with low gas prices  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 9:02 am : link
but he sure got a lot of blame when it passed $4.00 a gallon. Proving that anything bad is Obama's fault, anything good is due to factors beyond his control.
RE: RE: the guy had a knife...  
Cam in MO : 9/2/2015 9:02 am : link
In comment 12448277 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 12448258 silverfox said:


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...and he brutally had bloodied and harmed two people inside an apartment. The cops were answering a domestic violence call and those are the worse kind. Ask any cop...most cops are killed in domestic calls than any other type.



This. He had beaten up a woman and a baby and was brandishing a knife from the story I read. He approached the cops several times with the knife and then backed off.

I hate social media getting involved in this shit. A bunch of internet crimesolvers on the case. It's going to be our undoing as a society.


None of this is enough to justify them shooting him while he's standing with his hands up-especially if the knife wasn't in his hands at the time. Last I knew, even attempted murder of his wife and child does not carry the death sentence in any state- and the police aren't judge and jury.

That said- the video is from too far away to say anything conclusive, but it doesn't look good.

RE: Try to get into a good restaurant  
bradshaw44 : 9/2/2015 9:03 am : link
In comment 12448354 Headhunter said:
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on a weekend. Go to a shopping center and try to get a parking spot in the afternoon on a weekend. Look out on the roads, more new cars then anytime I remember. People are going out and spending, in 2009 everything I wrote previously was the opposite. So you cry how bad things are, I'll go by the real world


Not sure how this devolved into an Obama argument. But this last post is your own visual assessment of a much more sophisticated analysis. But going by your assessment I can counter that with my own. There has been an absolute explosion of panhandlers in the DMV area since 2009. There are, what look to be, recently former middle class people/families (white, black and hispanic) standing on the corners in affluent areas with signs asking for money. Go to the corner of Glebe Road and Lee Hwy and you will see them. Corner of Sycamore and Lee Hwy and you will see them. This is something I have never seen in my 35 years on this planet. I'm not talking about seeing people panhandling, I'm referring to the fact that these people clearly had money not too long ago. And this is due to what I can only assume is a down economy.

Either way, neither of our visual accounts proves anything. And furthermore, presidents have little to no affect on the economy directly. At least in the short term.
Must be lucky i guess  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 9:07 am : link
to live where I live
RE: blaming anyone other than yourself  
pjcas18 : 9/2/2015 9:08 am : link
In comment 12448380 Headhunter said:
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for your situation in life is a cop out.


the only thing people are holding accountable Obama for (that I've read - and I haven't read every post) is the seeming bias in his support for black victims of law enforcement vs law enforcement as victims.

Racism is a real problem highlighted no better than the high publicity events from Michael Brown to the present day and the people in law enforcement seem to be looking for a strong statement from him in support of the good cops like he came out in support of the good citizens that become victims.

I see no blame being assigned there per se but I believe the message if delivered from the President would help and i believe he's actually said some minor things denouncing the violence against law enforcement, but I'd like to see him come out stronger against it.

As others have said, maybe an all lives matter movement wouldn't seem so divisive.

Ben Carson calls Obama the divider in chief, and I'm not sure I agree, but on this issue he could help shed that label.
RE: Must be lucky i guess  
bradshaw44 : 9/2/2015 9:10 am : link
In comment 12448393 Headhunter said:
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to live where I live


Apparently.
Dont know why we hold Obama  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 9:11 am : link
more responsible for the sins of the Black community. I'm always reminded of the Chris Rock line "Black Muggers don't give a hometown discount to Black victims"
Lucky me?  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 9:11 am : link
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RE: For all of those asking for the facts to come out...  
JOrthman : 9/2/2015 9:12 am : link
In comment 12448341 BurberryManning said:
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what ever became of Zachary Hammond, the unarmed young man from South Carolina that was fatally shot by police while on a date?

"The State Law Enforcement Division is investigating the shooting but has not released any information, including video of the incident from the officer’s dashboard camera, despite requests from The Greenville News under the state Freedom of Information Act."

So it's been almost one month later and no indicative reports from this investigation? Just how exhaustive an investigation is this, and at nearly a month ongoing I'd have to question the competency of those leading this investigation if a very good grasp of the situation hasn't been determined as of yet.

So, while we hear cries of "waiting for the facts to come out" it begs us to question if/when/how the facts do come out.


A month is nothing for an investigation, especially if they had any type of evidence sent to the lab.
RE: Try to get into a good restaurant  
charlito : 9/2/2015 9:12 am : link
url=index.php?mod2ead=519549 &show_all=1#124354[/url] Headhunter said:
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on a weekend. Go to a shopping and try to get a parking spot in the afternoon on a weekend. Look out on the roads, more new cars then anytime I remember. People are going out and spending, in 2009 everything I wrote previously was the opposite. So you cry how bad things are, I'll go by the real world


Very true. New cars are looking nicer and nicer. I see so many chevy impalas, buick regals, ford taurus, ford explorers, jeep grand cherokees, durangos.I just don't want a car payment.Anyway,I don't remember republicans during the bush administration saying that's really not the unemployment rate. Did they just start a new equation under the Obama Administration when coming up with the unemployment rate. My co worker said Obama is spending like crazy. "He increased the debt by more than all the president's combined". I asked him what's the cost of Obama's policies in referenced to the debt.He never answered me. He said," Obama should of left the soldiers in iraq so we wouldn't have isis". I Smh and went on BBI.
RE: blaming anyone other than yourself  
Mister Charming : 9/2/2015 9:12 am : link
In comment 12448380 Headhunter said:
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for your situation in life is a cop out.


I thought that was the mantra for Black Lives Matter.
ben carson  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/2/2015 9:13 am : link
Hard to take that guy entirely seriously from some of the words that have left his mouth recently.
Mister Chaming's life doesn't matter  
WideRight : 9/2/2015 9:14 am : link
and thats a problem for him
RE: blaming anyone other than yourself  
bradshaw44 : 9/2/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12448380 Headhunter said:
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for your situation in life is a cop out.


Yet you're willing to credit the president for other peoples good fortunes in life out of the other side of your mouth.

I do agree with your post here, just wanted to point out the double standard.
Where do I give Obama direct credit  
Headhunter : 9/2/2015 9:18 am : link
for anything? I question why every thing bad is Obama's fault
This doesn't seem true to me..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/2/2015 9:20 am : link
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Dont know why we hold Obama
Headhunter : 9:11 am : link : reply
more responsible for the sins of the Black community. I'm always reminded of the Chris Rock line "Black Muggers don't give a hometown discount to Black victims"


Where's Obama being held responsible for the sins of the black community?

He's being called on the carpet for coming out against shootings of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, but has no commentary on the police shootings.

Furthermore, while he made it a point to give a eulogy in Charleston, I don't think the racially motivated shootings of the TV crew will get his time and energy.

In fact, we heard what a racist piece of shit the Charleston shooter was but so far, all we're hearing about the TV crew shooter is that he was batshit crazy.
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