When starting a thread, I almost never open up with an opinion because I don't like having any impact on how the discussion plays out... but if this video is as it appears to be, it's cold blooded attempted murder.
Maybe something threatening was said. I'm open. I want more details. But this video looks like bad, bad news.
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hard to tell because the distance delays the sound of when the gunshot was actually fired, but I do see the suspect bend and reach before the officer shoots...
Definitely doesn't look good, but there is supposedly another video that is much closer. I'm sure we'll see that eventually and if they shot him for no reason, I have no doubt in my mind they will be charged.
-There were two cops who fired basically simultaneously.
-Earlier in the video, before the guy raises his hands, the cops had clear shots at the guy, and you could even see them backpeddle as the guy advances on them. But they held their fire.
The sheriff's office is saying the guy was armed (not sure with what), and that they had tried Tasering him earlier, without success.
This. He had beaten up a woman and a baby and was brandishing a knife from the story I read. He approached the cops several times with the knife and then backed off.
I hate social media getting involved in this shit. A bunch of internet crimesolvers on the case. It's going to be our undoing as a society.
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...and he brutally had bloodied and harmed two people inside an apartment. The cops were answering a domestic violence call and those are the worse kind. Ask any cop...most cops are killed in domestic calls than any other type.
This. He had beaten up a woman and a baby and was brandishing a knife from the story I read. He approached the cops several times with the knife and then backed off.
I hate social media getting involved in this shit. A bunch of internet crimesolvers on the case. It's going to be our undoing as a society.
I agree completely. This is such a gotcha! society.
Now, for the most part, they just bitch and whine about it.
Want to make a difference? Go sign up for the Police Force. Make a difference.
So Baltimore and Chicago's murder rate was low under George Bush's administration.
If the only cameras are in the hands of third parties, cops will have no control over the content that goes viral.
WideRight, I agree for the need for body cams, but at the same time, states shouldn't be allowed to control the images and shield them from public view, like many are doing it trying to do. It must be put into law that those images are part of the public record and should be accessible on request, the same as police incident reports.
Speaking at the annual Congressional Black Caucus Foundation dinner in Washington on Saturday night, Mr. Obama said the death of Michael Brown “awakened our nation” to a reality that black citizens already understood.
“In too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement,” Mr. Obama said. “Too many young men of color feel targeted by law enforcement — guilty of walking while black or driving while black, judged by stereotypes that fuel fear and resentment and hopelessness.”
and he even had Brown's parents as guests at the White House and really made them mini-celebrities for a while.
Now, I might be slightly off in the facts, but hasn't it been proven that Brown had a lengthy criminal history and in this specific case was quite possibly the aggressor with the officer and the shooting was justified? I believe the attorney general even conducted an investigation into civil rights violations.
In either case 8 police officers in 9 days have been murdered and the President doesn't offer one word of support.
I think that's sort of what people refer to.
Here is an excerpt from am article summing up the sentiment:
Noting that President Obama and other administration officials have quickly spoken out after shootings involving black civilians, Ronald T. Hosko, president of the Law Enforcement Legal Defense Fund, said officers are yearning to hear similar support when officers are targeted.
“Where are their voices today? Who is going to be the adult in the room to pull these groups together?” Mr. Hosko said. “Somebody needs to do it. I don’t see and hear from the president when a cop gets shot and killed.”
"The State Law Enforcement Division is investigating the shooting but has not released any information, including video of the incident from the officer’s dashboard camera, despite requests from The Greenville News under the state Freedom of Information Act."
So it's been almost one month later and no indicative reports from this investigation? Just how exhaustive an investigation is this, and at nearly a month ongoing I'd have to question the competency of those leading this investigation if a very good grasp of the situation hasn't been determined as of yet.
So, while we hear cries of "waiting for the facts to come out" it begs us to question if/when/how the facts do come out.
I thought people stopped quoting published unemployment rate numbers years ago. There are people smarter than me who can explain this to you, but the unemployment rate published by the government (under any administration) is not a true measure of unemployment for a variety of reasons. E-P ratio (employment-population ratio) is far more meaningful and indicative of the health of the workforce. Maybe kicker can explain it to you if google doesn't.
I will say that video from ordinary citizens has helped dispute/correct police accounts of arrests and/or use of deadly force in some instances. The more videos the merrier. Sorta like instant replay angles.
And Charming is just that, isn't he/she. Internet anonymity, blessing and curse.
The real world number aren't that good, but carry on with your anecdotes...
You are correct, my apologies, 4 murders in 9 days.
Do you really think any president has any effect whatsoever on gas prices? Really? You should do some research as to why the prices are so low.
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...and he brutally had bloodied and harmed two people inside an apartment. The cops were answering a domestic violence call and those are the worse kind. Ask any cop...most cops are killed in domestic calls than any other type.
This. He had beaten up a woman and a baby and was brandishing a knife from the story I read. He approached the cops several times with the knife and then backed off.
I hate social media getting involved in this shit. A bunch of internet crimesolvers on the case. It's going to be our undoing as a society.
None of this is enough to justify them shooting him while he's standing with his hands up-especially if the knife wasn't in his hands at the time. Last I knew, even attempted murder of his wife and child does not carry the death sentence in any state- and the police aren't judge and jury.
That said- the video is from too far away to say anything conclusive, but it doesn't look good.
Not sure how this devolved into an Obama argument. But this last post is your own visual assessment of a much more sophisticated analysis. But going by your assessment I can counter that with my own. There has been an absolute explosion of panhandlers in the DMV area since 2009. There are, what look to be, recently former middle class people/families (white, black and hispanic) standing on the corners in affluent areas with signs asking for money. Go to the corner of Glebe Road and Lee Hwy and you will see them. Corner of Sycamore and Lee Hwy and you will see them. This is something I have never seen in my 35 years on this planet. I'm not talking about seeing people panhandling, I'm referring to the fact that these people clearly had money not too long ago. And this is due to what I can only assume is a down economy.
Either way, neither of our visual accounts proves anything. And furthermore, presidents have little to no affect on the economy directly. At least in the short term.
the only thing people are holding accountable Obama for (that I've read - and I haven't read every post) is the seeming bias in his support for black victims of law enforcement vs law enforcement as victims.
Racism is a real problem highlighted no better than the high publicity events from Michael Brown to the present day and the people in law enforcement seem to be looking for a strong statement from him in support of the good cops like he came out in support of the good citizens that become victims.
I see no blame being assigned there per se but I believe the message if delivered from the President would help and i believe he's actually said some minor things denouncing the violence against law enforcement, but I'd like to see him come out stronger against it.
As others have said, maybe an all lives matter movement wouldn't seem so divisive.
Ben Carson calls Obama the divider in chief, and I'm not sure I agree, but on this issue he could help shed that label.
Apparently.
"The State Law Enforcement Division is investigating the shooting but has not released any information, including video of the incident from the officer’s dashboard camera, despite requests from The Greenville News under the state Freedom of Information Act."
So it's been almost one month later and no indicative reports from this investigation? Just how exhaustive an investigation is this, and at nearly a month ongoing I'd have to question the competency of those leading this investigation if a very good grasp of the situation hasn't been determined as of yet.
So, while we hear cries of "waiting for the facts to come out" it begs us to question if/when/how the facts do come out.
A month is nothing for an investigation, especially if they had any type of evidence sent to the lab.
Very true. New cars are looking nicer and nicer. I see so many chevy impalas, buick regals, ford taurus, ford explorers, jeep grand cherokees, durangos.I just don't want a car payment.Anyway,I don't remember republicans during the bush administration saying that's really not the unemployment rate. Did they just start a new equation under the Obama Administration when coming up with the unemployment rate. My co worker said Obama is spending like crazy. "He increased the debt by more than all the president's combined". I asked him what's the cost of Obama's policies in referenced to the debt.He never answered me. He said," Obama should of left the soldiers in iraq so we wouldn't have isis". I Smh and went on BBI.
I thought that was the mantra for Black Lives Matter.
Yet you're willing to credit the president for other peoples good fortunes in life out of the other side of your mouth.
I do agree with your post here, just wanted to point out the double standard.
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more responsible for the sins of the Black community. I'm always reminded of the Chris Rock line "Black Muggers don't give a hometown discount to Black victims"
Where's Obama being held responsible for the sins of the black community?
He's being called on the carpet for coming out against shootings of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, but has no commentary on the police shootings.
Furthermore, while he made it a point to give a eulogy in Charleston, I don't think the racially motivated shootings of the TV crew will get his time and energy.
In fact, we heard what a racist piece of shit the Charleston shooter was but so far, all we're hearing about the TV crew shooter is that he was batshit crazy.