When starting a thread, I almost never open up with an opinion because I don't like having any impact on how the discussion plays out... but if this video is as it appears to be, it's cold blooded attempted murder.
Maybe something threatening was said. I'm open. I want more details. But this video looks like bad, bad news.
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"The State Law Enforcement Division is investigating the shooting but has not released any information, including video of the incident from the officer’s dashboard camera, despite requests from The Greenville News under the state Freedom of Information Act."
So it's been almost one month later and no indicative reports from this investigation? Just how exhaustive an investigation is this, and at nearly a month ongoing I'd have to question the competency of those leading this investigation if a very good grasp of the situation hasn't been determined as of yet.
So, while we hear cries of "waiting for the facts to come out" it begs us to question if/when/how the facts do come out.
Yeah. I forgot about that. I was also thinking about Tamir Rice. Is the cop who murdered him within 2 seconds still free. It's been almost a year.
Gushing over the amazing malls filled with people, new cars on the road and whatever else you said in your previous post. What was the point of that post if it wasn't you crediting the president? Just giving everyone an update of where you live?
Don't forget Fox news Also blamed the President when the stock market Lost over 400 points.
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for anything? I question why every thing bad is Obama's fault
Gushing over the amazing malls filled with people, new cars on the road and whatever else you said in your previous post. What was the point of that post if it wasn't you crediting the president? Just giving everyone an update of where you live?
Just headhunter being headhunter
Nothing better than some early morning "crazy" with your coffee....good lord.
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for anything? I question why every thing bad is Obama's fault
Gushing over the amazing malls filled with people, new cars on the road and whatever else you said in your previous post. What was the point of that post if it wasn't you crediting the president? Just giving everyone an update of where you live?
Just headhunter being headhunter
Very true.
Guess what? Every President for the last umpteenth number of years has sucked, especially if you identify yourself on either side of the aisle. So why bother discussing it (especially on a thread not dedicated towards it)?
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I saw an article about the recent cop deaths. 1 was a heart attack and 3 were vehicle crashes (non-chase).
You are correct, my apologies, 4 murders in 9 days.
And I didnt mean to demean the deaths of these officers. Just correcting a fact.
But while Im at it, you're also wrong (as are others) when you say these cops were murdered and "the President doesn't offer one word of support." That's just false made up criticism, and it happens to Obama all the time.
“On behalf of the American people, I offered Mrs. Goforth my condolences and told her that Michelle and I would keep her and her family in our prayers,” Obama said in a statement released this evening.
Obama said that he promised Goforth’s widow that he would continue to praise bravery of police officers who served their communities.
“Targeting police officers is completely unacceptable — an affront to civilized society,” Obama said....
“As I said in my State of the Union Address, we’ve got to be able to put ourselves in the shoes of the wife who won’t rest until the police officer she married walks through the door at the end of his shift,” he said. “That comfort has been taken from Mrs. Goforth. So we must offer her our comfort – and continue to stand up for the safety of police officers wherever they serve.”
Im somewhat at a loss as to why you'd post this president bashing nonsense.
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It looks bad obviously. If there was more to it, cams on the cops would show it. If it really was as bad as it looks, putting cams on those guys would have made them less likely to do that. Could have saved a life under that scenario.
WideRight, I agree for the need for body cams, but at the same time, states shouldn't be allowed to control the images and shield them from public view, like many are doing it trying to do. It must be put into law that those images are part of the public record and should be accessible on request, the same as police incident reports.
whew. That's a relief.
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I saw an article about the recent cop deaths. 1 was a heart attack and 3 were vehicle crashes (non-chase).
You are correct, my apologies, 4 murders in 9 days.
And I didnt mean to demean the deaths of these officers. Just correcting a fact.
But while Im at it, you're also wrong (as are others) when you say these cops were murdered and "the President doesn't offer one word of support." That's just false made up criticism, and it happens to Obama all the time.
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On his way to Alaska this afternoon, President Obama called Kathleen Goforth, the widow of the slain Texas Deputy Sheriff Darren Goforth who was shot and killed at a gas station while he was fueling a police cruiser.
“On behalf of the American people, I offered Mrs. Goforth my condolences and told her that Michelle and I would keep her and her family in our prayers,” Obama said in a statement released this evening.
Obama said that he promised Goforth’s widow that he would continue to praise bravery of police officers who served their communities.
“Targeting police officers is completely unacceptable — an affront to civilized society,” Obama said....
“As I said in my State of the Union Address, we’ve got to be able to put ourselves in the shoes of the wife who won’t rest until the police officer she married walks through the door at the end of his shift,” he said. “That comfort has been taken from Mrs. Goforth. So we must offer her our comfort – and continue to stand up for the safety of police officers wherever they serve.”
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yeah, I shouldn't have said no support, it's just not close to his support for Brown who was a criminal and in the wrong, he crusaded against on the topic for days.
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This is a dog-bites-man issue to me. You all are getting upset that he commented more in a man-bites-dog situation and doesnt give equal air time to dog-bites-man stories. He doesnt go on again and again and again in a murdered cop case because there isnt much to say. PEOPLE SHOULDNT MURDER COPS. That's fucking obvious. Police shootings that some believe are unjustified is a much more necessary topic to address.
As for Brown, what in particular did Obama say that is so upsetting?
I understand it was all I said. It's not a mystery to me based on perception.
The people in law enforcement (in the quote at least) believe the president crusading against law enforcement violence against black citizens spawned the black lives matter movement or at least contributed to the creation. and that movement has spawned some extreme violence against law enforcement.
Stronger sentiment from the President would appease them.
if you're saying Trayvon Martin (which wasn't even LE related), Michael Brown, Walter Scott (the police officer was indicted on murder charges there), and others where Obama commented strongly are somehow different.
In your example why should the President have to say police shouldn't murder unarmed citizens any more than he says citizens shouldn't murder police, yet on one of them he chose to speak out.
Obviously that is what I was saying, if you don't agree or couldn't figure that out, no wonder why you're so continually confused.
that's fair, I didn't mean the noun where Christians tried to reclaim the holy land in the 12th century.
I meant this:
verb: crusade; 3rd person present: crusades; past tense: crusaded; past participle: crusaded; gerund or present participle: crusading
1. lead or take part in an energetic and organized campaign concerning a social, political, or religious issue.
In your example why should the President have to say police shouldn't murder unarmed citizens any more than he says citizens shouldn't murder police, yet on one of them he chose to speak out.
Did Obama say police shouldnt murder unarmed citizens? Show me that quote.
I haven no idea what point you're making. I think you took a swing at the president for not speaking out, you were wrong, and now you're just flailing. Bitching about how much he talks about X vs. Y with no specifics.
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I saw an article about the recent cop deaths. 1 was a heart attack and 3 were vehicle crashes (non-chase).
You are correct, my apologies, 4 murders in 9 days.
Actually, the potential murder in Abilene might make it 5 in 9 days. I know nobody posting here is denigrating the victims but 202 murdered police on an annualized basis is cause for concern.
I haven no idea what point you're making. I think you took a swing at the president for not speaking out, you were wrong, and now you're just flailing. Bitching about how much he talks about X vs. Y with no specifics.
Don't you have better things to do than analyze every word of my posts?
I began by posting a quote to explain how/why people blame Obama for the violence recent spate of violence against police.
And then I posted my sentiment that he has not come out as strongly against the violence against police as he did the violence against Michael Brown (for example).
If you want specifics, google them. My explanation stands, I'm not in any way wrong as to why people blame Obama and my "shot" against him is legit.
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I saw an article about the recent cop deaths. 1 was a heart attack and 3 were vehicle crashes (non-chase).
You are correct, my apologies, 4 murders in 9 days.
Actually, the potential murder in Abilene might make it 5 in 9 days. I know nobody posting here is denigrating the victims but 202 murdered police on an annualized basis is cause for concern.
Murdered cops are at a 26% low this year as supposed to this time last year.
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but he sure got a lot of blame when it passed $4.00 a gallon. Proving that anything bad is Obama's fault, anything good is due to factors beyond his control.
Don't forget Fox news Also blamed the President when the stock market Lost over 400 points.
Actually, in this case the president did have an influence on gas prices. As the Iranian nuclear deal was being finalized and it became apparent that the agreement was imminent many experts predicted that an immediate result would be a lowering of gas prices in the US as Iran, the 4th biggest supplier of crude oil in the world, would be prospected to once again flood the euro zone with oil having had their sanctions lifted on exports, which in turn would affect the global market. The rapid drop in gas prices that we're seeing now is partially related to a foreign policy decision by the president to negotiate with Iran.
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I see no blame being assigned there per se but I believe the message if delivered from the President would help and i believe he's actually said some minor things denouncing the violence against law enforcement, but I'd like to see him come out stronger against it
The President issued an executive order last year that establishes a task force with the sole goal of finding methods to enhance police training and tactics and researching practices and policies that would promote further safety and wellness of people who serve in those positions. I think the president has made quite a bit of effort to not only support police with his words but also with action.
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I saw an article about the recent cop deaths. 1 was a heart attack and 3 were vehicle crashes (non-chase).
You are correct, my apologies, 4 murders in 9 days.
Actually, the potential murder in Abilene might make it 5 in 9 days. I know nobody posting here is denigrating the victims but 202 murdered police on an annualized basis is cause for concern.
Murdered cops are at a 26% low this year as supposed to this time last year.
Charlito, what is your source? Not saying it's wrong, only I read something very different in a recent article.
Twenty-three police officers have been killed by gunfire this year, with three targeted because they were officers, Canterbury said. He included Goforth in that count. In 2014, nine officers were ambushed and killed.
"They were killed because their murderers had one purpose -- to kill a cop," he said.
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Yeah, its Obamas fault. The stupidity/Lunacy just never ends
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Adding up the violent death categories (gunfire, assault, vehicular assault...), it looks looks like 30 police have died violently on duty thru 2/3 of the year (simple annualization = 45). Obviously I'd like to see that number at zero. 2014 that number was 59. 2013 was 35. 2012 was 65. 2011 was 87. 2010 was 78. 2009 was 57. 2008 was 60. Im not a statistician, but nothing jumps off the page there as a trend; the deaths are going down, but you'd need to look longer term and have a sense of the # of police interactions to draw any real conclusions. I went back to the year of my birth randomly (1979), and there were 2 police killed by assult, 112 by gunfire (non-accidental), 8 stabbed, and 13 by vehicular assault.
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Clearly the citizen cams cut both ways. We all know that for as long as there have been cops, there have been some bad ones and they have killed people who should not have died. We also all know that sensationalized reporting sells more papers than responsible reporting and that can hurt all cops.
Maybe if everybody calms down and cuts out the hysterical shit we can see these recently recorded events for what they are. Which is not all that different from what they've always been.
In an earlier statement, the Bexar County Police claimed that “deputies attempted to arrest the armed suspect, but he resisted. The deputies used non-lethal weapons to try and detain the man. When those efforts failed, the deputies fired shots hitting the man.”
Remember this guy beat up his wife and a baby, not losing any sleep over this.
"Gilbert Flores, was shot outside a home in the 24400 block of Walnut Pass. The video also shows what deputies Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez...."
In an earlier statement, the Bexar County Police claimed that “deputies attempted to arrest the armed suspect, but he resisted. The deputies used non-lethal weapons to try and detain the man. When those efforts failed, the deputies fired shots hitting the man.”
Remember this guy beat up his wife and a baby, not losing any sleep over this.
Wait, so now we shouldn't be outraged anymore? It's not the "worst one yet"?
What is back up going to do if stun guns don't work and he refuses to put down the knife?