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In March, quarterback Russell Wilson did what Carroll couldn’t do. Wilson organized a large group of veteran players and took them to Hawaii for informal workouts. Everyone knew about the Hawaii trip when it happened, thanks to the social media accounts of some of the players who went. Greg Bishop of SI.com has provided more details that reveal how bad it had gotten. “[T]here was tension,” receiver Doug Baldwin told Bishop. “People thinking we should have done this, we should have done that [in the Super Bowl]. There were a lot of questions that needed to be answered. And a lot that needed to be asked.” First, Wilson had to convince players to go on the trip. He persuaded Baldwin to help, and they then recruited safety Kam Chancellor. “Kam was pivotal,” Baldwin said. “He’s like the godfather of the locker room. Any problems, any issues, you go to him.” (By the way, Chancellor is currently holding out, with no end in sight.) Chancellor helped persuade more defensive players to attend the carefully-planned retreat that included daily workouts, outings, and dinners. As Bishop explains it, however, “the tension endured” throughout the trip, with some of the players skipping “a handful” of workouts. On the sixth day of the trip, a bus took the players to the edge of a cliff for what the Seahawks now call a “come to Jesus” meeting. The 45-minute session included comments from all players in attendance, with “harsh words” uttered and “all grievances” being aired. Players who thought that the decision to pass the ball was aimed at delivering the Super Bowl MVP trophy to Wilson said so, per Bishop. Players who thought teammates had not taken responsibility for their role in the outcome said so, too. Wilson said the meeting gave him “chills,” but that doesn’t mean all is well. “We didn’t know if the trip was going to work,” Baldwin said. “We still don’t.” |
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Big question: How does that impact their play this year, if at all?
Had they won and he got it...It would have been a historic moment in that he would have been the 1st black QB to ever achieve it and Pete C. seems like a guy that is sensitive to stuff like that.
However as the QB and leader of the team calling an audible to a play with less risk and higher rate of success should have been what Wilson did. JMO
Easier said than done..Has anyone been that close to a World's championship, only to have it snatched away in an instant? Probably, but I can't think of anyone(s)
But - here's the thing. Wilson SHOULD NOT HAVE THROWN THE DAMN BALL. The DB saw it all the way. I am amazed how Wilson escapes all criticism for his bonehead throw. The play was not there and he is the QB.
Had they won and he got it...It would have been a historic moment in that he would have been the 1st black QB to ever achieve it and Pete C. seems like a guy that is sensitive to stuff like that.
However as the QB and leader of the team calling an audible to a play with less risk and higher rate of success should have been what Wilson did. JMO
Didn't Doug Williams win it for the Skins in '92 SB?
A locker room guy, no end of holdout in sight, we have need.
We dump JPP, convert $$ to KC.
If JPP is untagged and an FA, how much can he play in '15, anyway, so he may not get picked up by anyone else. If he is so be it.
If he wants to be a Giant, he can sign him in '16.
If they think they were so much better than how about not blowing a double digit lead?
Of course, sorry..Rypien was their QB in '92
Yes - he won it in 1988 in Super Bowl XXII.
If they think they were so much better than how about not blowing a double digit lead?
They could have gotten 3 plays off easily even with a run first. This has been proven time and time again.
But - here's the thing. Wilson SHOULD NOT HAVE THROWN THE DAMN BALL. The DB saw it all the way. I am amazed how Wilson escapes all criticism for his bonehead throw. The play was not there and he is the QB.
It may have been a GIFT, but what other SB was undeserving for the Pats?
Throwing the ball is okay on second down, throwing inside where this is traffic is plain stupid. There were just so many more options, including rolling Wilson out and having safer throws.
I can see Seattle players being upset, because winning another SB is going to be quite difficult, and they were just so close to sealing the deal.
Under no explanation, quantitative or qualitative, was passing the ball the right call.
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Another season coming up. Can't do anything about the Super Bowl now. To still be pissed off over one play call is crazy. Get over it.
Easier said than done..Has anyone been that close to a World's championship, only to have it snatched away in an instant? Probably, but I can't think of anyone(s)
Texas Rangers were 1 strike away from winning the world series in 2011 in 2 different innings in game 6 vs. the Cards. Albeit the Cards didn't win the world series as sudden and immediately as the Pats won the SB, but safe to say the Rangers were just as close to victory as the Seahawks were, even more so probably.
Thats why you ALWAYS worry about scoring first, stopping them later.
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Another season coming up. Can't do anything about the Super Bowl now. To still be pissed off over one play call is crazy. Get over it.
Easier said than done..Has anyone been that close to a World's championship, only to have it snatched away in an instant? Probably, but I can't think of anyone(s)
Texas Rangers were 1 strike away from winning the world series in 2011 in 2 different innings in game 6 vs. the Cards. Albeit the Cards didn't win the world series as sudden and immediately as the Pats won the SB, but safe to say the Rangers were just as close to victory as the Seahawks were, even more so probably.
Another excellent example..
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Another season coming up. Can't do anything about the Super Bowl now. To still be pissed off over one play call is crazy. Get over it.
Easier said than done..Has anyone been that close to a World's championship, only to have it snatched away in an instant? Probably, but I can't think of anyone(s)
2013 NBA finals where two Spurs players fail to get a rebound, and Ray Allen hits a 3 to tie the game with less than 5 seconds left.
Thats why you ALWAYS worry about scoring first, stopping them later.
One of the main reasons I was totally fine with Bradshaw's fall down TD against the Pats..What if Tynes shanked the attempt(unlikely from that range) or it was blocked..You score and worry about(in this case) Brady late
anyone think of this?
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was assuming they could score to the end the game with little time and running theclock down.
Thats why you ALWAYS worry about scoring first, stopping them later.
One of the main reasons I was totally fine with Bradshaw's fall down TD against the Pats..What if Tynes shanked the attempt(unlikely from that range) or it was blocked..You score and worry about(in this case) Brady late
Agree on all
No smiley at the end of that post?
The play that should have been called was, pump to the inside and the receiver breaks to the outside on the pump....
The refs had to REVERSE the proper call made on the field and pull the tuck rule out of their ass. It was robbery.
That the Pats scoring 14 4th Q points against the best defense in the NFL might have had something to do with it too.
That's the type of thing that could haunt a professional for the entirety of their lives.
1st and goal at the 5 yard line, 1:06 on the clock, Seattle with one timeout
I don't know what was said on the Seattle sideline between Carroll, Wilson, and the OC, but as head coach what Carroll should have said...what he HAD to say...was "Lynch runs the ball four times here."
Every football fan in America would have bet their house on a Seattle victory if they knew Carroll had just said those words during that timeout.
Worst, most damaging call in the history of sports.
Not as insane as throwing the ball in that spot and not running it
Harbaugh made a similar set of bad play calls in the SB when he chose not to run to Gore but pass 3 x in a row.
I do believe there is some fairy tale ending coaches dream of that includes a fade pass or whatever, not a power run up the middle.
I think it will be hard for Seattle to recover as a team from that loss.
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Yeah I've seen that article before, and I think it's flawed. Assigning a probability based solely on plays in other games in similar down and distance doesn't seem to me like a sound methodology.
But in that final scenario and clock, mathematically it is pretty clear.
Year after the Giants won in 1986/7. So it was the 1988 Super Bowl - 49-10 or something.
Harbaugh made a similar set of bad play calls in the SB when he chose not to run to Gore but pass 3 x in a row.
I do believe there is some fairy tale ending coaches dream of that includes a fade pass or whatever, not a power run up the middle.
I think it will be hard for Seattle to recover as a team from that loss.
That defense had a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter. They should look in the mirror.
But in that final scenario and clock, mathematically it is pretty clear.
Yeah the right choice was to run the ball, and run it with the strongest running back in the league.
But in that final scenario and clock, mathematically it is pretty clear.
The 3 v. 2 plays argument is a myth. 1:06 with 1 timeout is more than enough for 4 running plays.
And it was a thread PA Giant Fan was also on.
Perpetrating myths is just lazy posting.