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| Phil Simms has been like anyone else looking in on the Giants this preseason — just shaking his head. “The confidence level cannot be high,” the former Big Blue quarterback said Wednesday on a CBS conference call, “because they’ve shown nothing in the preseason to give themselves confidence.” |
Of course they will all be killing this team now. They were bad last year and they have looked ugly this preseason. That's just how this shit goes.
Giants have to just prove everyone wrong.
That has been the hallmark of the past few years of the Giants under Coughlin. How many times over the past few years have the Giants come out and played totally uninspired and lackluster, with missed assignments galore?
Is it better to look good and perform well? Of course....but its really not relevant. Would you rather have your team playing well? Of course....but they're are dozens and dozens of teams that have looked amazing through the years in the preseason....and then get crushed and go 4-12 and 5-11 in the regular season. People just don't seem to get it.
Honestly, if a Super Bowl clock couldn't motivate this team nothing will.
2) Special teams are usually a disaster, as most of the guys on special teams aren't even going to be on the roster on day 1. There is ZERO continuity.
3) QB's and WR's are getting into rhythym....really even up to the 1st few weeks of the season. Most of them are just not going to look that good early on.
4) I've read interviews from great players over the years and they actually say (I'm paraphrasing) , that they only go 70-80% in the preseason for fear of getting hurt and not being able to start fresh in week 1.
Is it better to look good and perform well? Of course....but its really not relevant. Would you rather have your team playing well? Of course....but they're are dozens and dozens of teams that have looked amazing through the years in the preseason....and then get crushed and go 4-12 and 5-11 in the regular season. People just don't seem to get it.
There are years when talented teams just go through the motions in preseason and look bad. And then there are teams that aren't as talented and look bad in preseason because they are bad. So sometimes preseason play matters and sometimes it doesn't. You hope at least that you'll see new guys step up and show something that will carry over. Other than Flowers, who on this team has done that who we actually expect to see some playing time the first 8 games?
2) Special teams are usually a disaster, as most of the guys on special teams aren't even going to be on the roster on day 1. There is ZERO continuity.
3) QB's and WR's are getting into rhythym....really even up to the 1st few weeks of the season. Most of them are just not going to look that good early on.
4) I've read interviews from great players over the years and they actually say (I'm paraphrasing) , that they only go 70-80% in the preseason for fear of getting hurt and not being able to start fresh in week 1.
well #4 is clearly not our problem
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put into the preseason. For years and years and years, its been proven that playoff caliber teams can have mediocre to poor records and performances in the preseason. Its proven!
Is it better to look good and perform well? Of course....but its really not relevant. Would you rather have your team playing well? Of course....but they're are dozens and dozens of teams that have looked amazing through the years in the preseason....and then get crushed and go 4-12 and 5-11 in the regular season. People just don't seem to get it.
There are years when talented teams just go through the motions in preseason and look bad. And then there are teams that aren't as talented and look bad in preseason because they are bad. So sometimes preseason play matters and sometimes it doesn't. You hope at least that you'll see new guys step up and show something that will carry over. Other than Flowers, who on this team has done that who we actually expect to see some playing time the first 8 games?
You're right and that's exactly why you shouldn't put much weight into it.....its impossible to know.
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1) Most teams don't gameplan
2) Special teams are usually a disaster, as most of the guys on special teams aren't even going to be on the roster on day 1. There is ZERO continuity.
3) QB's and WR's are getting into rhythym....really even up to the 1st few weeks of the season. Most of them are just not going to look that good early on.
4) I've read interviews from great players over the years and they actually say (I'm paraphrasing) , that they only go 70-80% in the preseason for fear of getting hurt and not being able to start fresh in week 1.
well #4 is clearly not our problem
Exactly. Forget about "great", we have no excellent players on the OL or at TE, none except maybe Hankins, DRC and Prince on the entire defense. None of those guys could afford to mail it in and yet none of them played well. Guys who showed something, like Unga, will be lucky to make the team, much less get playing time under TC
2) Special teams are usually a disaster, as most of the guys on special teams aren't even going to be on the roster on day 1. There is ZERO continuity.
3) QB's and WR's are getting into rhythym....really even up to the 1st few weeks of the season. Most of them are just not going to look that good early on.
4) I've read interviews from great players over the years and they actually say (I'm paraphrasing) , that they only go 70-80% in the preseason for fear of getting hurt and not being able to start fresh in week 1.
Andy, I'm not going to get into this silly argument again, but do you not see how silly your post is? You begin by conceding that most teams don't gameplan etc, so we can assume that the teams that kicked the shit out of the Giants didn't gameplan or play 100% etc. How is that exonerating the Giants?
The Giants look like a bottom-third team. I share his lack of optimism.
There are some signs of growth, but there are signs that little has changed, for example, in terms of being able to stop the run, or defend the middle of the field, or sustain drives on offense. Those are trends running several seasons.
There are some signs of growth, but there are signs that little has changed, for example, in terms of being able to stop the run, or defend the middle of the field, or sustain drives on offense. Those are trends running several seasons.
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Perhaps it's time to plug in the most talented and let them play.
Perhaps it's time to plug in the most talented and let them play.
The problem being who to play on the other half of the defense.
Giants have to just prove everyone wrong.
WOW, would I sign up for that! Nothing better than a "Miracle On Ice" type of surprise. The odds are way against, but then again, that's what would make it happening so much sweeter.
Is it better to look good and perform well? Of course....but its really not relevant. Would you rather have your team playing well? Of course....but they're are dozens and dozens of teams that have looked amazing through the years in the preseason....and then get crushed and go 4-12 and 5-11 in the regular season. People just don't seem to get it.
Not too many teams go 4-12 and catching the professional football world by surprise. A team that goes 4-12 SUCKS and most people who follow football in any serious way knew they SUCKED. I don't know ANYONE who thinks pre-season won/loss records mean anything. NOBODY. Not even 10 year old fans think pre-season won/loss records mean anything.
Once you go back past 2012, you're largely talking about players who, if they played well and stayed healthy, would demand contracts that we couldn't pay (in part, because we're paying our quarterback $20 million).
Where is Linval Joseph? Not here.
The team is in bad shape primarily because of decisions made since 2012, draft and free agent. Before that is ancient history, in NFL terms.
There are some signs of growth, but there are signs that little has changed, for example, in terms of being able to stop the run, or defend the middle of the field, or sustain drives on offense. Those are trends running several seasons.
The last sentence is the kicker. It's not like they're coming off a championship season and they're going through the motions in the preseason. They're going through two straight losing seasons and this just looks like more of the same.
So no it's not obvious. If it was bookies and Vegas would be flat broke.
I cannot understand why either....because we always have a "good week of practice".
So no it's not obvious. If it was bookies and Vegas would be flat broke.
See this is what I can't process with some of you. If you think this team has less talent than the 2013 team I don't know what to tell you. That 2013 team was a disaster. You had an old OL with no upside and a ton of downside. You had NO Wrs outside of Cruz. Zero RBs. And an offensive system, ultra aggressive in nature that was doomed to fail. The defense was ok but we now know it was overrated and living on borrowed time.
One or two guys can make a big difference. Beckham and professional RBs make this team better just by themselves and the OL is on the way up rather than dead men walking like that 2013 team.
There is a chance if the offense begins to click it can be one unlike the Giants have ever had.
I feel very bad for TC. He's smart enough to see this team and must be thinking, "well, I guess this is my last year as a HC" because as great as a coach as he is, this team is just lacking too much talent this year and it's a shame that the pressure will be on the front office to change the HC with what I expect this year's results to be.
That said, I'm very excited to see some of the big plays we'll some of the guys can make but I don't hold out much hope for plenty of wins.
If you mean the preseason in all that it includes such as the draft, the injury situation, any trades or new additions to the team, coaching changes, practice observations, and the preseason games then it's everything and it means everything in however which way you evaluate all of that.
I see a lot of key injuries, several key positions on both lines lacking serious talent, and a lack of depth in several areas. For me, that adds up to having no choice but to agree with Phil's statements but not just because of what I saw in the preseason games. We are seriously lacking in the two extremely important areas; O-Line and D-Line, and that spells trouble at least to me anyway.
If you mean the preseason in all that it includes such as the draft, the injury situation, any trades or new additions to the team, coaching changes, practice observations, and the preseason games then it's everything and it means everything in however which way you evaluate all of that.
I see a lot of key injuries, several key positions on both lines lacking serious talent, and a lack of depth in several areas. For me, that adds up to having no choice but to agree with Phil's statements but not just because of what I saw in the preseason games. We are seriously lacking in the two extremely important areas; O-Line and D-Line, and that spells trouble at least to me anyway.
Teams throughout the league are being affected in some key spots..No more, no less than us..And no, we don't know(yet) who is deep and who isn't..
If the Giants stay similar to most of the league unlike the last two years injury-wise ( not by a long shot), then I will have no inclination to cite injuries as the killer they've been..I will then join those who say everyone has injuries..If it stays pretty much as it is
There are some signs of growth, but there are signs that little has changed, for example, in terms of being able to stop the run, or defend the middle of the field, or sustain drives on offense. Those are trends running several seasons.
Exactly, to those who see the Giants as magically turning it on during the regular season, what exactly have you seen from this team at all during this preseason that inspires any confidence?
The first teamers have looked downright terrible. The DL has been run over and cannot get pressure, the middle of the field is a gaping hole due to marginal talent at LB and the safety debacle. Only the starting corners, Hankins and Kennard have looked ok.
On offense, Cruz cannot get on the field, neither can Randle, OBJ is in a funk, Donnell is now behind Fells in the pecking order and Eli cannot hit anything down field. The line cannot pass protect. At least the backs have looked ok. Special teams is weak again with inconsistent punting. The only guy that looked good in the return game (Hunt) was waived and coverage has been mediocre at best. At least Brown can hit field goals.
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That's where the poor (reach) draft picks (Austin, Sintim) and injuries (KP, Chad Jones, Tuck, Beason) really add up to paint a picture.
Once you go back past 2012, you're largely talking about players who, if they played well and stayed healthy, would demand contracts that we couldn't pay (in part, because we're paying our quarterback $20 million).
Where is Linval Joseph? Not here.
The team is in bad shape primarily because of decisions made since 2012, draft and free agent. Before that is ancient history, in NFL terms.
The team is also in bad shape because we overpay for marginal FA talent. We gave two ST linebackers how much, again? Don't even get started on the contract to Harris.