Stevie Brown... Art Stapleton

once he saw the safety injuries with the Giants asked for his release from Houston because he recognized the opportunity for more playing time in NY.

Are you kidding me with this shit?

Reese, Caughlin, and Spags talked it over before signing him.
If Stevie doesnt want to play under the Spags parameters then bye-bye.

at a particular position. Ugh. Outrageous amount of injuries at one position and we're not even out of the pre-season yet.

In comment 12449924 NYRiese said:
[quote] Reese, Caughlin, and Spags talked it over before signing him.
If Stevie doesnt want to play under the Spags parameters then bye-bye. [/quote

Where in the world did you garner that he doesn't want to play under Spags system?

He did CHOOSE to sign here

Brown is going to play. For a team that has been clobbered at the safety spot there really is no other choice at this point. He was a giant once before, had a nice season in 2012 with 8 picks if i remember correctly. Who knows, maybe he lucks into a few more this year.

In comment 12449921 B in ALB said:

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Are you kidding me with this shit?

no. From a Jordan Raanan article:

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....Texans this offseason. The Texans released him last week. Brown said Monday he had asked for his release. "We parted ways on good terms as well. As for the release, it just wasn't playing into the strengths that I have as a safety," he said. "So there was no point in being around there." He later added: "They were OK with it. They didn't want to keep me there and hinder me. So I definitely appreciate them for doing that and letting me go." Brown joins rookie Landon Collins, and veterans Jeromy Miles, Brandon Meriweather and Cooper Taylor seriously in the Giants safety mix. Miles and Meriweather were signed as free agents this summer as well. There is opportunity for Brown with the Giants. They haven't even settled on a starting safety tandem for Week 1. "Seems like a position of need," Brown said. "So it's a good fit. Definitely expected to come back."....

Brown had a discussion with Houston about him not being a fit. While at the same time keeping tabs (his agent) on the Giants safety situation. And they planned this?

But the two parties never met according to Stapleton.

And the Giants are good with that scenario? That's how they're doing business? That sort of concerns me.

Brown knew he wasn't making this team. He new he'd have a fair shot at the Giants. Once he was released they went and got him. This is a short period of time from release to signing and it is competitive.

In comment 12449971 DavidinBMNY said:

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Brown knew he wasn't making this team. He new he'd have a fair shot at the Giants. Once he was released they went and got him. This is a short period of time from release to signing and it is competitive.

There is no way it was that seamless. No way. It was mutual but he had a can't miss landing spot? Without having any contact like Stapleton said? Competitive for Stevie Brown to the point that the new DC doesn't even talk to the guy? Nope. Not buying it.

never saw whom they "all" were

In comment 12450002 micky said:

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never saw whom they "all" were

Me too Micky.

Spags isn't in charge of personnel and Brown was right that there was an opportunity where he wanted to play that the people who are in charge of personnel agreed with. And Bown is playing on the 2nd string which is as many strings as exist at safety. And all this happened as the #4 safety got injured. What's to complain about? Is it also a problem that he breaths air?

makes me thinks Spags hasn't lost his mind and his fastball and probably explains why Kuhn is playing with the #1's.

You're right.

Other than the fact that he can't tackle and he can't cover.

But please, please bring up the INTs from three years ago. Because being out of position and lucking into picks from front 4 pressure is great. Especially for a guy a year removed from injury.

No need for meetings or conversations. Just sign up! Give him a participation ribbon! Everybody wins!

Except the fans.

In comment 12449978 B in ALB said:

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In comment 12449971 DavidinBMNY said: Quote: Brown knew he wasn't making this team. He new he'd have a fair shot at the Giants. Once he was released they went and got him. This is a short period of time from release to signing and it is competitive. There is no way it was that seamless. No way. It was mutual but he had a can't miss landing spot? Without having any contact like Stapleton said? Competitive for Stevie Brown to the point that the new DC doesn't even talk to the guy? Nope. Not buying it.

Do pick ups at this stage usually talk to the DC's prior to signing? Higher profile free agents I think would, but not cuts from other teams (but I'm obviously guessing and speaking from a place of ignorance).

And I didn't like Brown either. Seemed constantly out of position.

In comment 12450031 B in ALB said:

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You're right. Other than the fact that he can't tackle and he can't cover. But please, please bring up the INTs from three years ago. Because being out of position and lucking into picks from front 4 pressure is great. Especially for a guy a year removed from injury. No need for meetings or conversations. Just sign up! Give him a participation ribbon! Everybody wins! Except the fans.

When they show up in nj after a two hour flight before a physical.

Come on.

In comment 12450031 B in ALB said:

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You're right. Other than the fact that he can't tackle and he can't cover. But please, please bring up the INTs from three years ago. Because being out of position and lucking into picks from front 4 pressure is great. Especially for a guy a year removed from injury. No need for meetings or conversations. Just sign up! Give him a participation ribbon! Everybody wins! Except the fans.

So you'd rather be counting on an injured Miles?

I wouldn't make too much out of this.

For one, Brown did say in his media Q&A that he asked for his release. He may have or may not have...sometimes players make up reality to protect their image...but I don't see that it matters either way...he was going to get cut.

As said above, beggars can't be choosers. Brown became available, they gave him $745,000 salary plus a $40,000 roster bonus. He has until Saturday to prove his worthy. He was starting with the second team this week, but of course he was. He's a former NFL starter. The other guys ahead of him were rookie free agents (Conway and Halley) who were only signed during training camp when injuries hit.

Nope. Not at all. Id prefer to wait three days for 90 cuts. The Giants are not ahead of the curve according to these reports. Hate being negative. Honestly. But this Brown thing is odd.

he's the caliber of player you're going to find right now. the only difference is that we know this warthog, whereas the others we don't. If someone pops loose this saturday who is better and the Giants snag him, Brown can be gone just as quickly as he arrived. In the meantime, he's the anyone we picked up when TC called Reese and said get me someone, anyone, I need a body.

And who was there to sign from them? No one. In the mean time Brown got in a couple of practices and is ready for some game playing time. Complaining about this might be the dumbest thing I've seen yet on this board. And that's saying something.

Odd in what way? What's odd about it.

There are enough things going on with this team, you don't need to manufacture another thing to complain about.

Right now the Giants have temporary stopped the hemorrhaging at the position. They have two former NFL starters now as insurance policies/back-ups.

What will be more interesting to watch is who might come free on Saturday and does that kick Brown and/or Meriweather off of the roster. My guess is they have to keep at least one. But do they go with a 5th safety?

I don't imagine anything really interesting is going to shake loose at cuts.

The free agent class was light at safety, and so was the draft.

A 5th safety make little sense. How is the 5th player on the weakest unit on the team one of the "best 53."

In comment 12450062 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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There are enough things going on with this team, you don't need to manufacture another thing to complain about.

Don't be so dramatic. I'm simply trying to gauge everyone's thoughts about Stapleton's report. Settle down.

Reese really did pretty well getting guys with the experiance of Meriweather and Brown.

And posted this as some kind of problem. Can't you tell us why.

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Brown and his inability to do anything well. Despite the fact that he's terrible at everything the Giants need so many on bbi defend this shit. With no research on guys who were on the bubble or FAs.

Now we have a report that the Giants signed a guy who is completely unfamiliar with Spags and they basically did it sight unseen. I'm not making it up. It comes from a guy who is supposed to be in tune with these deals. That's odd to me.

But I guess I'm glad you all got your guys. Should be awesome. Can't wait. Haha.

Despite the fact that he's terrible at everything, the Giants sign this guy and people on bbi defend this shit - with no research on guys who were on the bubble or FAs.

In comment 12450115 B in ALB said:

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Brown and his inability to do anything well. Despite the fact that he's terrible at everything the Giants need so many on bbi defend this shit. With no research on guys who were on the bubble or FAs. Now we have a report that the Giants signed a guy who is completely unfamiliar with Spags and they basically did it sight unseen. I'm not making it up. It comes from a guy who is supposed to be in tune with these deals. That's odd to me. But I guess I'm glad you all got your guys. Should be awesome. Can't wait. Haha.

Well, we can't wait until you start making sense.

Ex Chargers Billy Ray Smith (about defensive players) - "I don't know what it is about some players, but they always seem to be around the ball, and make big plays".

The answer is multi-faceted, here are just a few:

Playing in a good system that fits you abilities

Having great players around you that cover your mistakes (Harry Carson is the prime example, how he always had L.T.'s back)

Having great instincts (more important than speed) - All-time interception leader Paul Krause is the best example

As far as Stevie not having contact with Spags, how many players does Reese sign that may have not talked to Spags ? Do you think Merriweather spoke to him, before he signed ? Probably not.

Reese knows Stevie; I'm sure he spoke to Spags before the offer was made. What's the big deal ?

just picked up a veteran safety who fills a need. 2 years removed from acl surgery ( it usually takes 2 years to fully recover) and yet you bithc about how he was let go?

fuck out of here with that shit

Spagnuolo returns after, to be blunt, failing at each spot he landed in after leaving the Giants. He's here because he was successful in the past. Not because of recent success. No other team in the league was going to give him a coordinator gig. So exactly how much pull do you expect him to have? Warts and all, Brown is the best option available less than 2 weeks from opening day in a safety market thinner than a piece of notebook paper, and he experienced his best season here. His return isn't much different than Spagnuolo's.

In comment 12450078 BillT said:

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A 5th safety make little sense. How is the 5th player on the weakest unit on the team one of the "best 53."

Bill, they've done that before. I remember one year they carried all of these shitty linebackers because they didn't really have any good ones.

I can see a situation where they have to carry an extra guy because until the one they just picked up on waivers is up to speed, the shittier one has to play.

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B in ALB...I agree with you on Brown. For a big guy, he doesn't play the run or tackle or hit well. He had an amazing year in 2012 intercepting the ball (they were not all tipped passes/lucky plays) but he never made any plays on the ball in 2014.

I think the Giants are simply trying to find someone who knows Coughlin and the team environment to stop the bleeding. You can't go into the season with C.J. Conway and Justin Halley.

Did I just read that LT needed to have Harry Carson to "watch his back"? Seriously? That's pretty funny.

In comment 12450164 arniefez said:

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Did I just read that LT needed to have Harry Carson to "watch his back"? Seriously? That's pretty funny.

no, that isn't what you read, that's what you inferred. What you would've read, had you possessed even the most elementary of reading comprehension skills,is that all players, even Hall of Famer's, benefit from a strong surrounding cast.

That's his version of events, probably missing the first sentence 'shortly after he was informed he'd be cut...'

Don't think much of Brown either, but the Giants hold Merritt in high regard it would appear, and he's coached Brown here before, my guess is his opinion was heavily weighted.

Is not some stud costing big bucks. You dont need to have the DC interview him before the signing. TC and some position coaches know what he can do and it was a very small investment. Really not that surprising that the DC doesnt meet with every player before he is signed. I imagine they certainly met after the signing.

we needed a body.

76 tackles in 2012, with 8 interceptions for 307 yards for Brown. He also defended 11 passes.

Meriweather is a two time Pro Bowler.

Collins was the best safety in the draft.

.......I'm trying, guys.

Glad to have Stevie and Meriweather and Collins as S

... I wouldn't have expected a lot of pre-signing due diligence. This is a no-risk tryout. To make the team, Brown needs to show Merritt that he's back to pre-ACL form, and Nat Berhe needs to go on IR and one of the top four safeties probably has to get hurt. Otherwise, Brown will be released and told, "Stay in shape, just in case."

I look at it this way: Stevie Brown signed a ceremonial one-week contract to retire a Giant. He just doesn't know it yet.

In comment 12450160 j_rud said:

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Spagnuolo returns after, to be blunt, failing at each spot he landed in after leaving the Giants. He's here because he was successful in the past. Not because of recent success. No other team in the league was going to give him a coordinator gig. So exactly how much pull do you expect him to have? Warts and all, Brown is the best option available less than 2 weeks from opening day in a safety market thinner than a piece of notebook paper, and he experienced his best season here. His return isn't much different than Spagnuolo's.

Except Stevie was terrible last season. Spags didn't fair poorly in Balitmore last I checked. Did he build up his resume enough to warrant a DC gig? Probably not but I can see the connection. To me, Brown has no range at all anymore and that was all he could do before.

I mean, does Brown even play on Special Teams? I don't think Meriweather has ever been a ST ace. Taylor can in a pinch although he should be starting right with Collins. Miles and Berhe are both solid ST players but are lingering with questions regarding their health. To me, a fourth S is someone who can do ST so that guy may not even be on the roster at this point.

I look at it as Brown v. Meriweather and loser of that battle is cut.

the guy was on the team for a few years. Most of the coaches have seen him and know exactly what he can or cannot do. they know his attitude and his mindset. It's not a major deal that Spags hadn't seen him.

Classic.

Extensively on film when he reviewed the Giants '14 defense. He already has made mention that Miles was thought to be nothing more than a special- teams player when he was on the Ravens. It is not hard to figure.

here I am not going to dismiss his 2012 out of hand..Perhaps he is what he is, but if what he is, is a guy who makes plays on the ball, we certainly can use that...I was hoping he wouldn't be re-signed, but at this point the choices were slim and none..

Too, it does take some people more time than Adrian Peterson to recover from an ACL..Recover in speed and cutting..Probably not in his case, but still, for whatever reason, skill and/or divine intervention, he has a nose for the ball..

STOP being pricks and watch brown play his way back into your hearts...

But there is a game tonight. We cannot afford another injury to Collins, Cooper or any DB right now. Brown is in game shape, can probably play most of the game and if he gets injured, it was $40k to save a potential starter. Plus it allows TC, Spags, Merritt to see if he improved from last year. Remember the Giants offered him a contract in the spring. Or if one of the other DBs gets hurt, there is an NFL vet safety there already...

Yeah, he won't know all the calls on D, but as an NFL vet, he's likely to pick the defense up quickly.

If he doesn't work out, they had a body for the game.

but I can't imagine that he just lost David Merritt's phone number when he moved to Houston.

In comment 12450273 Enoch said:

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but I can't imagine that he just lost David Merritt's phone number when he moved to Houston.

This. I can't imagine why the DC would have to be consulted for a minor pickup, but if Spagnuolo needed to know something, he can talk to the guy who coached Brown when he was here.

no more, no less

In comment 12450002 micky said:

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never saw whom they "all" were

Whom! Excellent grammar.

nitpicking, but...if SB gets injured tonight, he'll get an injury settlement, which is likely to be more than 40K. I assume the 40K is his signing bonus (haven't bothered to look it up, figuring if he got anything significant, the boobirds would have pointed it out), and if he gets cut (no injury) that's his one week rental.

In comment 12450348 Montreal Man said:

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In comment 12450002 micky said: Quote: never saw whom they "all" were Whom! Excellent grammar.

I've had a problem with "who" and "whom" from time to time..I have always believed that "who" was plural and "whom" was singular..Please set me straight..:)

In comment 12450353 fkap said:

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nitpicking, but...if SB gets injured tonight, he'll get an injury settlement, which is likely to be more than 40K. I assume the 40K is his signing bonus (haven't bothered to look it up, figuring if he got anything significant, the boobirds would have pointed it out), and if he gets cut (no injury) that's his one week rental.

Yeah, that is nitpicking. If anyone gets injured they likely get a settlement and I believe I saw he got a $40k signing bonus.

willing to give this guy a shot and I hope he is a great addition. But my expectations are very low. Prove is wrong Stevie. Please?

In comment 12450366 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 12450348 Montreal Man said: Quote: In comment 12450002 micky said: Quote: never saw whom they "all" were Whom! Excellent grammar. I've had a problem with "who" and "whom" from time to time..I have always believed that "who" was plural and "whom" was singular..Please set me straight..:)

Bruce, time strapped. I'll get to this later, if someone else hasn't.

signing forget the days of having to play guys like C.C. Brown

In comment 12449928 Dave in Hoboken said:

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at a particular position. Ugh. Outrageous amount of injuries at one position and we're not even out of the pre-season yet.

"No bodies" Last I looked there was 5. Well 4 1/2.

In comment 12451661 OC2.0 said:

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In comment 12449928 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: at a particular position. Ugh. Outrageous amount of injuries at one position and we're not even out of the pre-season yet. "No bodies" Last I looked there was 5. Well 4 1/2.

Sorry, nevermind the brain cramp

Brown may not be McCourty, but frankly, he's immediately better than anyone else on the roster right now at S, except maybe Collins. The signing makes our team stronger, even if Brown has his flaws.

Alternatively, we could always line up the way the Redskins did on the first play of the season after Sean Taylor was killed.

In comment 12450201 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... I wouldn't have expected a lot of pre-signing due diligence. This is a no-risk tryout.

^ I agree with this.

I don't understand why some of you guys get so bent out of shape over these kind of no-risk signings.

We needed another body, that's it. If we need to we can ditch him and get another body. No risk. WTF.

In comment 12450366 Big Blue '56 said:

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I've had a problem with "who" and "whom" from time to time..I have always believed that "who" was plural and "whom" was singular..Please set me straight..:)

Hey, Bruce ...

Here's the difference:

Who is used in the subjective case, i.e., as the subject of a sentence.

A helpful trick is to substitute the matching personal pronoun and see if it makes sense.

Who was that masked man? Subjective case. HE was the masked man, not Him was the masked man.
He is the guy who stole your money. Subjective case. HE stole your money, not HIM stole your money.

Whom is used in the objective case, often as the object of a prepositional phrase.

Jerry Reese is the man in whom we trust. We trust HIM, not He.
Six men,ofwhom all were BBI posters, took over coaching the team and led the Giants to the Super Bowl.
Not the best example because it's plural and you'd use THEY were BBI posters.

OR

We wondered whom Coach Couglin's tirade was about. Whom, objective case because the tirade was about HIM or HER, (the unknown person) which is the objective personal pronoun. It's not the subjective case because you wouldn't say, the tirade was about he/she. Another example:

Jerry Reese consulted an astrologer, whom he met in Seattle. Objective case because Reese (he) met HIM (objective case) in Seattle. You wouldn't say Reese met he.

Hope that helps. There'll be a quiz tomorrow.

Thanks John, that obviously makes a lot of sense..Never too old to be well-schooled..

Your "not whom's on first" gives me an idea for a comedy bit, if I can do it right.

It's Bad Grammar Abbot and Costello.

We'll see if I can make something out of it.

In comment 12452944 Montreal Man said:

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Your "not whom's on first" gives me an idea for a comedy bit, if I can do it right. It's Bad Grammar Abbot and Costello. We'll see if I can make something out of it.

Let me know when you do..

In comment 12452944 Montreal Man said:

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Your "not whom's on first" gives me an idea for a comedy bit, if I can do it right. It's Bad Grammar Abbot and Costello. We'll see if I can make something out of it.

If it helps any JB - I've always thought the good doctor was a comedy skit