Sorry, but I disagree. And I think he's getting horrible advice from his agent.
The best way he could have helped himself was at least learning the defense in the classroom/sidelines. Now he's got to overcome that hurdle too.
This is spot on. The one thing that is certain is if JPP wants anywhere enar the $$$ he's looking for, he has to prove it on the field. If his camps goal was to get the team to release him so he could hit the FA market, what good would that do? Sure, someone would sign him, but how much would any team commit without seeing how he can actually play? Even with a physical.
He's set to make a good chunk of cash this season, but what he really wants is that big long term contract and the only way that is happening is if he plays this year and plays well. The only way that happens is getting in with the team, learning this defense, and getting himself ready to play football. Avoiding the team has set him BACK in his persuit of a big contract because its delaying the time he can get on the field and perform well.
I am convinced some of this is resentment. He probably feels he should have had his big long term deal already but the team blocked him.
Fats is right.
but, rarely does a player think of team first, paycheck second.
IMO, the reality is that JPP's contribution to the team this year would be the same no matter how he approached it. All that changes is what we'd be bitching about.
and will add a bit more, none of you know what kind of leader this guy is or what kind of influence he has in the locker room. Quotes from players aside, I have seen this defense fall apart ever since Tuck, Joseph, Beason (due to not being on the field) and now Rolle and Kiwi being gone. JPP has not been a leader and his actions this summer show a person who really doesn't make the best decisions or show the kind of maturity you need in a leader.
We fall prey to the 16.5 sacks from a number of years ago but the reality is, the Giants have been afraid to pay him big because they weren't sure what they would get afterward. This isn't LT, who was a demon on the field week in and week out, or Strahan who was a leader (sometimes against the regime, but still a leader in the locker room) or Tuck who lead by example on the field and held people together or Pierce who was the emotional and cerebral leader of MEN (not a bunch of kids needing to be led but MEN who had been around this league)...
Everything about this situation has screamed immature and you can't blame that on youth. You are your choices and your decisions and his are questionable at best.
it really doesn't matter when he becomes effective. All he has to do is show that he's a contributor by week 16 and he'll get paid next year. The team is concerned about when he gets up to speed. For JPP's future bank account, it's irrelevant.
For whatever reason BBI does NOT like JPP. Since the accident, all we've heard is how useless he is now, what a malignant jerk he is and how he's not much more than an ordinary player.
Strange, given the hand he had (pun intended) in bringing this franchise its 4th super bowl victory.
Probably still a way to go, but I don't see why JPP can't be back around the same time, or maybe just before Beatty.
Spot on. Let's root for this guy. He made a stupid mistake and a childish one but it is just that. I'll be cheering like hell for this guy to get back on the field, Giants uniform or not. I won't forget the 2011 season and we don't win without jpp. He was an absolute monster and probably the best defensive season I've seen from a Giants player in my time watching the sport.
This is an adversarial situation with millions at stake. If he had walked in after the accident, the house docs would have done the owner's bidding and at best it's NFI and 5.5 million in the owner's pocket and the worst is the tender is pulled and meaningless FA after ownership poisons the well with the house doctor's report.
He's coming in with a Dr report saying he can play and if he gets the NFI, a fighting chance in an arbitration of getting the 5.5 million - and no talk of pulling the tender. With Dr report in hand, FA is too risky for the team.
Why do you people think Big Jawn was yapping to the press a few weeks ago ?
There have been some zingers on BBI over the years but this one stands out in particular. This is literally the worst analysis of a negotiation position I've ever read. Seriously, the second dumbest analysis of a contract situation ever presented is a thousand times more intelligent than this.
I'm struggling with whether I should feel disgust or pity that there's some poor guy walking the Earth with a brain like yours.
it really doesn't matter when he becomes effective. All he has to do is show that he's a contributor by week 16 and he'll get paid next year. The team is concerned about when he gets up to speed. For JPP's future bank account, it's irrelevant.
I disagree. If he wants to get paid anywhere near what he is looking for he needs to prove it on the field. He's not getting a huge contract based on a medical and a prayer. And he's not going to just show up at any time and perform. There is a new defense to learn and he has to learn how to play with his injury. The way his camp is playing it is counter to him having a good year, which is counter to his signing a big contract.
is what people might have a problem with. Seeing that JPP is essentially a one-year rental and can't even be on the field for the entire year, then the team is getting sahfted from a value standpoint.
both in present terms and future terms.
Well said. JPP is a major disappointment. He has made millions, even while missing games due to injury. He has performed well at times and not so well other times. The team has always paid him, even when he did not or could not perform. He made a stupid mistake, got some "business advice" presumably from his agent and has played this unfortunate situation out to the best possible business advantage for his future. Good for him. However, this is all about business and there is no evidence of leadership by JPP or even a hint of loyalty. Instead it is simply a guy trying to make as much as he can from a bad situation that he created. Just a business decision.
If there is one team in all of pro football that has shown loyalty to current and former players, even to the detriment of the team's bottom line, it is the Giants. They deserved better from JPP.
for me as a fan, rooting for JPP is akin to being a pledge and bending over and saying "Thank You Sir, may I have another?"
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Spot on. Let's root for this guy. He made a stupid mistake and a childish one but it is just that. I'll be cheering like hell for this guy to get back on the field, Giants uniform or not. I won't forget the 2011 season and we don't win without jpp.
Plaxico Burress helped us to a Super Bowl and made the game-winning catch. Yet the very next year, he shot himself in the leg, ending his career (not the shot, but the jail pretty much did).
Were people looking forward to welcoming him back? No. Why? Because he took a big shit on the franchise with his careless actions. I don't really see how the JPP situation is that much different. When you make yourself an adversary of the team, on an issue not inflicted by the team, I'll side with the team every time.
Remember that Plax was pissed at the way the Giants treated him too. Were the fans sympathetic? Hell no.
My issue has little to do with his current strategy and a lot more to do with working out on his own all year and never attending any of the team activities since Spags has returned.
He has no idea what Spags offense is all about, and his HC hasn't seen him since the end of the '14 regular season.
I mean, how do you justify that? How do you look your teammates, coaches, GM and owner in the face and say "I want to be a part of this team and help it win" when you've contributed nothing since your new DC and several new teammates have arrived?
The accident and subsequent weeks missed as a result were simply the tipping point.
Forget about his health...assuming he's physically ready, how motivated would you as a DC or HC be to simply insert him into the line-up ahead of a guy whose been busting his ass to learn the defense and participated in all of the team programs?
As a teammate along the DL, how do you really feel?
Yes the guy has immense talent, but we've seen many immensely talented guys flame out over the years. What's the ROI to the team overall?
but Michael Strahan missed all of training camp and the sweating and the practices and learning whatever new plays they were working on and stepped in Game 1 like he was never away. His teammates welcomed him with open arms
He's really not in any position to make demands or requests with regard to NFI, he's almost definitely not healthy enough to play immediately - and it seems to be that given the nature of his injury, the Giants are well within their rights to put him there regardless of when he thinks or says he'll be able to play.
It doesn't seem relevant that JPP believes he can play before Week 7. He's injured now, it was a non-football injury, and his personal prognosis doesn't really mean much.
I still find it amazing the number of people on this board who want him to fail just so they can say so. Rather than have him come back and help the team they root for.
If he comes back and can play and help the team, how is this is bad thing
Even if this guy wasn't short a finger (and who knows what else considering no one knows his injuries beyond the amputation) he'd likely be a shit player anyway.
Mr. Mara if you are reading this I implore you to put this guy in the rearview mirror forever. The long odds of getting anything worthwhile for him are outweighed by the negativity of the situation off the field and more importantly on it if he comes back at all.
Everything since he was franchised has been a mistake. Call it a sunk cost and move on. Please. There are already players on the team and at his position that have busted their asses all summer. They don't deserve to deal with this bullshit, and neither do the fans. It's the only way to ensure no more bad comes from this.
Pull the tender.
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But as others said, it's not just the amputated finger/knuckle, but the other fractures and most importantly the skin grafts.
Examine him, and send him packing. Money can be better spent elsewhere.
couldn't agree more!!any money they spend on him is just pissing it away for next year. See ya JPP...remember you said it...this is a business and your ROI is at about zero
my point is that JPP has until week 16 (or beyond if we make it to the playoffs) to show he can produce at a high level. His competency in his first weeks back doesn't mean squat for his next contract.
The Giants want him to produce all year, but JPP only has to show competency at some point this year to prove to the league that he's back.
JPP doesn't have to be effective. All he has to do is be good enough to pass a physical. IF he can (or a court decides he can) pass, he signs and the giants are on the hook.
Dunno how it works if the Giants decide to pull the tender at the same time as JPP signs it, but more or less if JPP signs the tender, the giants are on the hook, and then the only recourse is NFI.
Your main point, as I see it, is that the Giants control his rights in the meantime, so might as well hold on to them.
but it might get tricky if he decides to sign and the Giants don't yank the offer quickly enough.
they can pull it as he walks in the door if they don't feel comfortable with the protection from this clause
Under Article 10, Section 2(c) of the CBA, the contract can be terminated if the player fails “to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition.”
Any effort to do so would result in a review of the situation by a neutral physician and, eventually and inevitably, arbitration. Still, the franchise tender technically isn’t fully and completely guaranteed.
A ten fingered JPP wasn't even good last year. Believe what you want but internally that's part of the Giants brass' discussion.
JTGiants who is connected explained this on a previous thread but it was dismissed by the BBI mob mentality who forms an opinion and holds onto it for dear life, regardless of what they are watching, hearing or seeing.
If you think you are getting a 2011 JPP back even if he magically sprouts a finger, you better stop at Avenue of the America's and grab Strahan and find a time machine to get back 2011 Osi. Best case scenario is you get a maimed version of the 2014 JPP- he'll show up against the crap teams and be on the field when Romo is pitching a tent in the backfield waiting for a WR to open up. That's a BEST case scenario. Does anyone really think he is going to be BETTER than last year with 8 fingers?
It's a business decision why I don't want JPP back, it's not some blind loyalty to a uniform or the team. Newsflash to all of the rah rah JPP guys who will say how wrong I am and how JPP had 1 million tackles blah blah blah look at the facts. JJ Watt doesn't play on the franchise tag, nor do the other top DE's. Before any of this happened JPP was getting a GIFT 2nd prove it year from the team. Rather than see the opportunity in front of him, he decided to nuke his hand off.
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A ten fingered JPP wasn't even good last year. Believe what you want but internally that's part of the Giants brass' discussion.
So if he wasn't good last year and the Giants brass thought that way, why did they guarantee him $14.4 MM?
Because they were hoping (pre injury) that there was a chance he'd revert back to 2011 JPP. Thinking maybe it was the past two seasons that have been the anomaly. If they thought he was that good last year, based on his past history of success, they'd likely had signed him to a long term deal. I think you have it backwards
I'm not pro JPP returning. At this point, I'm indifferent, I just hope it works out for the Giants but...I just do not understand the notion that JPP wasn't good last year. I wonder sometimes what people are watching.
And yet the 49ers offensive game plan was to run completely away from his side all afternoon. They said as much post game.
WTF are some people talking about!?
Does this defense have one player besides JPP that offensive coordinators really have to account for?
JPP is a VERY good football player and as much as he is an idiot for doing this to himself, the Giants are not a better football team without him no matter how many time Go Terps says so.
I was hoping we'd just let him GO for heaven's sake Â
But it was his whole demeanor and attitude BEFORE the incident with respect to how the Giants treated him and especially now with the incident that made me sour on the guy.
I still say take that money, base, and pay Eli and Prince big this year so we are totally free for maybe a good haul of much needed blood next year. I'm not big on using free agency to build a team but we'll clearly need at least one safety next off-season (big ticket). :(
I respect your opinion but the game tape shows otherwise. I know it's hard to detach yourself from what we all THOUGHT he could be after 2011 but it never happened. It sucks but it's true.
The reality is that as a whole, he was TARGETED in the run game and controlled in the passing game unless he was facing an inferior opponent. Over and over they ran right at him while he played undisciplined and out of position football. Against Jacksonville and Washington he could get away with that using his physical superiority over the opponent to make things happen.
This isn't conjecture guys- it's fact- confirmed by a source with inside info on a previous thread.
I respect your opinion but the game tape shows otherwise. I know it's hard to detach yourself from what we all THOUGHT he could be after 2011 but it never happened. It sucks but it's true.
The reality is that as a whole, he was TARGETED in the run game and controlled in the passing game unless he was facing an inferior opponent. Over and over they ran right at him while he played undisciplined and out of position football. Against Jacksonville and Washington he could get away with that using his physical superiority over the opponent to make things happen.
This isn't conjecture guys- it's fact- confirmed by a source with inside info on a previous thread.
Which thread was that? Not being snarky, I missed it.
JPP IS a good football player. No doubt about that.
He just isn't this great game changer that he was supposed to pan out to be, and be paid like.
It's horrible to realize that based on his freakish athletic potential but some guys don't have the maturity and mental game necessary to be great.
I agree with this. His lack of development was really disappointing. I think he's better than you're giving him credit for, but agree with your conclusion here.
No matter what you think of JPP, his 2014 version is still better than what they have at DE right now.
So, the Giants have to think that he will contribute this season in a meaningful way because franchising him next year may not be possible if they have to use the tag on Eli. How can they be sure that he can contribute this season when they haven't been able to talk to him? They don't even know what kind of shape he's in at this point.
I'm glad I don't have to be the one to make the decision to either get him up to speed or pull the tender and let him go. It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Even one of his biggest detractors like myself would love for JPP to sign a long term deal tomorrow, 8 5 fingers and all. How about a 3 year deal worth 2.5 million per year with some incentives on top? Still leaves him a big payday in a few years if he comes back and rehabs his play and his image.
My point is that even before he rambo'd his hand he wasn't worth anywhere close to 14 million dollars a year. Again, Giants were willing to give him a SECOND prove it year...that was a GIFT.
Then he made a mistake....granted....we all make mistakes. But he wants to be hard about it and basically say "fuck you giants I don't owe you shit". Which is true...he isn't under contract.
But don't come now with hat in hand playing the victim. I bet you if he flew up here the week after July 4th and played the good soldier the Giants would have given him at least 1/3 of his franchise money. They did it with Chad Jones.
Basically. JPP acted like an asshole and now the Giants will treat him like one. He either is retarded, got bad advice, or both.
... and then the bottom dropped out ... IMO, had he not hurt his hand, he would have played an important role on this team only because the defense is so devoid of talent ... bottom line is that I've not been very impressed with JPP since his wonderful rookie year ... it's been my fear that the odds are that the best year of his career will turn out to be his rookie year.
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The best way he could have helped himself was at least learning the defense in the classroom/sidelines. Now he's got to overcome that hurdle too.
This is spot on. The one thing that is certain is if JPP wants anywhere enar the $$$ he's looking for, he has to prove it on the field. If his camps goal was to get the team to release him so he could hit the FA market, what good would that do? Sure, someone would sign him, but how much would any team commit without seeing how he can actually play? Even with a physical.
He's set to make a good chunk of cash this season, but what he really wants is that big long term contract and the only way that is happening is if he plays this year and plays well. The only way that happens is getting in with the team, learning this defense, and getting himself ready to play football. Avoiding the team has set him BACK in his persuit of a big contract because its delaying the time he can get on the field and perform well.
I am convinced some of this is resentment. He probably feels he should have had his big long term deal already but the team blocked him.
but, rarely does a player think of team first, paycheck second.
IMO, the reality is that JPP's contribution to the team this year would be the same no matter how he approached it. All that changes is what we'd be bitching about.
We fall prey to the 16.5 sacks from a number of years ago but the reality is, the Giants have been afraid to pay him big because they weren't sure what they would get afterward. This isn't LT, who was a demon on the field week in and week out, or Strahan who was a leader (sometimes against the regime, but still a leader in the locker room) or Tuck who lead by example on the field and held people together or Pierce who was the emotional and cerebral leader of MEN (not a bunch of kids needing to be led but MEN who had been around this league)...
Everything about this situation has screamed immature and you can't blame that on youth. You are your choices and your decisions and his are questionable at best.
Strange, given the hand he had (pun intended) in bringing this franchise its 4th super bowl victory.
Probably still a way to go, but I don't see why JPP can't be back around the same time, or maybe just before Beatty.
Spot on. Let's root for this guy. He made a stupid mistake and a childish one but it is just that. I'll be cheering like hell for this guy to get back on the field, Giants uniform or not. I won't forget the 2011 season and we don't win without jpp. He was an absolute monster and probably the best defensive season I've seen from a Giants player in my time watching the sport.
He's coming in with a Dr report saying he can play and if he gets the NFI, a fighting chance in an arbitration of getting the 5.5 million - and no talk of pulling the tender. With Dr report in hand, FA is too risky for the team.
Why do you people think Big Jawn was yapping to the press a few weeks ago ?
There have been some zingers on BBI over the years but this one stands out in particular. This is literally the worst analysis of a negotiation position I've ever read. Seriously, the second dumbest analysis of a contract situation ever presented is a thousand times more intelligent than this.
I'm struggling with whether I should feel disgust or pity that there's some poor guy walking the Earth with a brain like yours.
I disagree. If he wants to get paid anywhere near what he is looking for he needs to prove it on the field. He's not getting a huge contract based on a medical and a prayer. And he's not going to just show up at any time and perform. There is a new defense to learn and he has to learn how to play with his injury. The way his camp is playing it is counter to him having a good year, which is counter to his signing a big contract.
both in present terms and future terms.
Well said. JPP is a major disappointment. He has made millions, even while missing games due to injury. He has performed well at times and not so well other times. The team has always paid him, even when he did not or could not perform. He made a stupid mistake, got some "business advice" presumably from his agent and has played this unfortunate situation out to the best possible business advantage for his future. Good for him. However, this is all about business and there is no evidence of leadership by JPP or even a hint of loyalty. Instead it is simply a guy trying to make as much as he can from a bad situation that he created. Just a business decision.
If there is one team in all of pro football that has shown loyalty to current and former players, even to the detriment of the team's bottom line, it is the Giants. They deserved better from JPP.
Plaxico Burress helped us to a Super Bowl and made the game-winning catch. Yet the very next year, he shot himself in the leg, ending his career (not the shot, but the jail pretty much did).
Were people looking forward to welcoming him back? No. Why? Because he took a big shit on the franchise with his careless actions. I don't really see how the JPP situation is that much different. When you make yourself an adversary of the team, on an issue not inflicted by the team, I'll side with the team every time.
Remember that Plax was pissed at the way the Giants treated him too. Were the fans sympathetic? Hell no.
My issue has little to do with his current strategy and a lot more to do with working out on his own all year and never attending any of the team activities since Spags has returned.
He has no idea what Spags offense is all about, and his HC hasn't seen him since the end of the '14 regular season.
I mean, how do you justify that? How do you look your teammates, coaches, GM and owner in the face and say "I want to be a part of this team and help it win" when you've contributed nothing since your new DC and several new teammates have arrived?
The accident and subsequent weeks missed as a result were simply the tipping point.
Forget about his health...assuming he's physically ready, how motivated would you as a DC or HC be to simply insert him into the line-up ahead of a guy whose been busting his ass to learn the defense and participated in all of the team programs?
As a teammate along the DL, how do you really feel?
Yes the guy has immense talent, but we've seen many immensely talented guys flame out over the years. What's the ROI to the team overall?
THIS is my problem with JPP.
It doesn't seem relevant that JPP believes he can play before Week 7. He's injured now, it was a non-football injury, and his personal prognosis doesn't really mean much.
If he comes back and can play and help the team, how is this is bad thing
Essentially, he needs to be back quickly, or it will be ridiculous to pay him for half a season when he'll leave after the year is up anyway.
I root for a lot of guys to return from injury. Not one who is unsigned, unlikely to play for half the season, and is leaving the following season.
Mr. Mara if you are reading this I implore you to put this guy in the rearview mirror forever. The long odds of getting anything worthwhile for him are outweighed by the negativity of the situation off the field and more importantly on it if he comes back at all.
Everything since he was franchised has been a mistake. Call it a sunk cost and move on. Please. There are already players on the team and at his position that have busted their asses all summer. They don't deserve to deal with this bullshit, and neither do the fans. It's the only way to ensure no more bad comes from this.
Pull the tender.
Examine him, and send him packing. Money can be better spent elsewhere.
couldn't agree more!!any money they spend on him is just pissing it away for next year. See ya JPP...remember you said it...this is a business and your ROI is at about zero
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The Giants want him to produce all year, but JPP only has to show competency at some point this year to prove to the league that he's back.
because they can pull it at any time.
Its not like he can sign it at any time and make the Giants honor it
Dunno how it works if the Giants decide to pull the tender at the same time as JPP signs it, but more or less if JPP signs the tender, the giants are on the hook, and then the only recourse is NFI.
Your main point, as I see it, is that the Giants control his rights in the meantime, so might as well hold on to them.
but it might get tricky if he decides to sign and the Giants don't yank the offer quickly enough.
Is the tender like in the Giants offices where they can NOT allow him to sign until he takes said tests?
Under Article 10, Section 2(c) of the CBA, the contract can be terminated if the player fails “to establish or maintain his excellent physical condition.”
Any effort to do so would result in a review of the situation by a neutral physician and, eventually and inevitably, arbitration. Still, the franchise tender technically isn’t fully and completely guaranteed.
JTGiants who is connected explained this on a previous thread but it was dismissed by the BBI mob mentality who forms an opinion and holds onto it for dear life, regardless of what they are watching, hearing or seeing.
If you think you are getting a 2011 JPP back even if he magically sprouts a finger, you better stop at Avenue of the America's and grab Strahan and find a time machine to get back 2011 Osi. Best case scenario is you get a maimed version of the 2014 JPP- he'll show up against the crap teams and be on the field when Romo is pitching a tent in the backfield waiting for a WR to open up. That's a BEST case scenario. Does anyone really think he is going to be BETTER than last year with 8 fingers?
It's a business decision why I don't want JPP back, it's not some blind loyalty to a uniform or the team. Newsflash to all of the rah rah JPP guys who will say how wrong I am and how JPP had 1 million tackles blah blah blah look at the facts. JJ Watt doesn't play on the franchise tag, nor do the other top DE's. Before any of this happened JPP was getting a GIFT 2nd prove it year from the team. Rather than see the opportunity in front of him, he decided to nuke his hand off.
So if he wasn't good last year and the Giants brass thought that way, why did they guarantee him $14.4 MM?
Do you really think "he decided to nuke his hand off". I'm not even in the pro-JPP crowd, but this is pretty harsh, right?
Looking for the new one with him doing it with one hand ...
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A ten fingered JPP wasn't even good last year. Believe what you want but internally that's part of the Giants brass' discussion.
So if he wasn't good last year and the Giants brass thought that way, why did they guarantee him $14.4 MM?
That was their error. They stay too loyal to guys that don't deserve it sometimes.
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A ten fingered JPP wasn't even good last year. Believe what you want but internally that's part of the Giants brass' discussion.
So if he wasn't good last year and the Giants brass thought that way, why did they guarantee him $14.4 MM?
Because they were hoping (pre injury) that there was a chance he'd revert back to 2011 JPP. Thinking maybe it was the past two seasons that have been the anomaly. If they thought he was that good last year, based on his past history of success, they'd likely had signed him to a long term deal. I think you have it backwards
WTF are some people talking about!?
Does this defense have one player besides JPP that offensive coordinators really have to account for?
JPP is a VERY good football player and as much as he is an idiot for doing this to himself, the Giants are not a better football team without him no matter how many time Go Terps says so.
But it was his whole demeanor and attitude BEFORE the incident with respect to how the Giants treated him and especially now with the incident that made me sour on the guy.
I still say take that money, base, and pay Eli and Prince big this year so we are totally free for maybe a good haul of much needed blood next year. I'm not big on using free agency to build a team but we'll clearly need at least one safety next off-season (big ticket). :(
The reality is that as a whole, he was TARGETED in the run game and controlled in the passing game unless he was facing an inferior opponent. Over and over they ran right at him while he played undisciplined and out of position football. Against Jacksonville and Washington he could get away with that using his physical superiority over the opponent to make things happen.
This isn't conjecture guys- it's fact- confirmed by a source with inside info on a previous thread.
He just isn't this great game changer that he was supposed to pan out to be, and be paid like.
It's horrible to realize that based on his freakish athletic potential but some guys don't have the maturity and mental game necessary to be great.
The reality is that as a whole, he was TARGETED in the run game and controlled in the passing game unless he was facing an inferior opponent. Over and over they ran right at him while he played undisciplined and out of position football. Against Jacksonville and Washington he could get away with that using his physical superiority over the opponent to make things happen.
This isn't conjecture guys- it's fact- confirmed by a source with inside info on a previous thread.
Which thread was that? Not being snarky, I missed it.
He just isn't this great game changer that he was supposed to pan out to be, and be paid like.
It's horrible to realize that based on his freakish athletic potential but some guys don't have the maturity and mental game necessary to be great.
I agree with this. His lack of development was really disappointing. I think he's better than you're giving him credit for, but agree with your conclusion here.
2011 was excellent.
2012 he PLAYED THROUGH (for those who don't think he's a team guy) a back injury that ultimately needed surgery.
2013 dealt with recovery from back surgery, declared himself healthy again, looked great again before ultimately messing up his shoulder.
2014 another solid season.
I'd take JPP with a bad back and 9 fingers any day. But let's just pretend he is a spare part.
2011 was excellent.
2012 he PLAYED THROUGH (for those who don't think he's a team guy) a back injury that ultimately needed surgery.
2013 dealt with recovery from back surgery, declared himself healthy again, looked great again before ultimately messing up his shoulder.
2014 another solid season.
I'd take JPP with a bad back and 9 fingers any day. But let's just pretend he is a spare part.
Allow me to add to your good point:
8th in sacks in the NFL
Tied for 3rd in passes defensed by a lineman behind Watt and Ngata
2nd in the NFL in tackles by a lineman behind Watt.
Some of you guys aren't looking for an excellent defensive end; you want fucking Superman out there.
So, the Giants have to think that he will contribute this season in a meaningful way because franchising him next year may not be possible if they have to use the tag on Eli. How can they be sure that he can contribute this season when they haven't been able to talk to him? They don't even know what kind of shape he's in at this point.
I'm glad I don't have to be the one to make the decision to either get him up to speed or pull the tender and let him go. It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And?
The 49'ers aren't really that good. I wouldn't use their game plan against us as some indication of how good a particular player on our team is.
Even one of his biggest detractors like myself would love for JPP to sign a long term deal tomorrow, 8 5 fingers and all. How about a 3 year deal worth 2.5 million per year with some incentives on top? Still leaves him a big payday in a few years if he comes back and rehabs his play and his image.
My point is that even before he rambo'd his hand he wasn't worth anywhere close to 14 million dollars a year. Again, Giants were willing to give him a SECOND prove it year...that was a GIFT.
Then he made a mistake....granted....we all make mistakes. But he wants to be hard about it and basically say "fuck you giants I don't owe you shit". Which is true...he isn't under contract.
But don't come now with hat in hand playing the victim. I bet you if he flew up here the week after July 4th and played the good soldier the Giants would have given him at least 1/3 of his franchise money. They did it with Chad Jones.
Basically. JPP acted like an asshole and now the Giants will treat him like one. He either is retarded, got bad advice, or both.
Cant say I agree. Hankins played well I thought.