do you think TC and Reese didn't have that info? If not, don't you think they addressed that up front and are confident it wont be an issue?
Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Did you read the article? Its not just about partying. There were reports of multiple failed drug tests. They say he has a big personality that typically doesnt go over well in locker rooms. He wasnt welcome back at LSU with two years left to play.
Of course TC and Reese have this info, but punting is very important and it makes me nervous that we traded for a guy like this who doesnt sound like the most reliable.
Im not killing the trade, but the fact that our punting situation is not locked down right now makes me nervous.
Also, coaches bring in guys with character issues that dont work out on almost every team. The fact that they hope it will work out doesnt make me less nervous. They hoped Will Hill would work out and it didn't. I think being nervous about our punting situation is pretty reasonable at this moment.
Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
1) If Wing is any good, what motivates a good team like the Steelers to ditch a promising 24 year old kicker for a rookie free agent with no experience?
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
We know they traded for hm to back up the Man of Many Talents
Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
Sure did. Josh Brown. i hope this kid takes a similar path. brown seems to be well liked by the team.
I didnt say I hate the trade. I said his off the field issues make me nervous and concerned about our punting situation. I hope he is a great guy with a long career, but at this point I am concerned about it.
i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
yeah I get that. but the majority of this thread isn't about having a new punter. its about what we gave up for him and his bad wrap, apparently, off the field.
i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
I dont really think saying Im nervous about an unknown punting situation is really making a fuss. The trade is pretty low risk and doesnt bother me. But I am nervous about the guy we brought in being reliable. Punting is very important and having an unlnown situation concerns me. I think thats pretty reasonable.
have no problem with this trade. The pick is a conditional seventh. My guess is that as others have said, it's like the McManus trade we made with Denver. Wing has to be with us for a certain number of weeks for Pittsburgh to get a seventh. And even if they do, it's only a seventh. We gave up a seventh for Beason. I opposed that trade, and was wrong to do so. Resigning Beason was another matter, but there was nothing wrong with trading a seventh for him. We also had to make the trade because even if cut, with less than four years in the league, Wind would have been subject to waivers. Somebody with a higher wavier claim may have taken him.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
a player who should cost next to nothing both to acquire and in salary. 7th round picks are unlikely to make the team. But this years 7th pick has been promising so far. Bradshaw was a 7th pick too. They spent $10 million in guaranteed money on ST players for roles that should be filled by UDFA or low round picks. Every NFL has limited money/salary cap and limited picks to acquire players. The Giants are using too much of both for the bottom of their roster.
have no problem with this trade. The pick is a conditional seventh. My guess is that as others have said, it's like the McManus trade we made with Denver. Wing has to be with us for a certain number of weeks for Pittsburgh to get a seventh. And even if they do, it's only a seventh. We gave up a seventh for Beason. I opposed that trade, and was wrong to do so. Resigning Beason was another matter, but there was nothing wrong with trading a seventh for him. We also had to make the trade because even if cut, with less than four years in the league, Wind would have been subject to waivers. Somebody with a higher wavier claim may have taken him.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Wing not Wind.
RE: Another case of the Giants using their limited assets to bring in a
a player who should cost next to nothing both to acquire and in salary. 7th round picks are unlikely to make the team. But this years 7th pick has been promising so far. Bradshaw was a 7th pick too. They spent $10 million in guaranteed money on ST players for roles that should be filled by UDFA or low round picks. Every NFL has limited money/salary cap and limited picks to acquire players. The Giants are using too much of both for the bottom of their roster.
This drasticaly underestimates the importance of special teams. You need special teams players. It is not a negative to invest limited resources into the unit, considering how putrid it has been. A 7th round pick for a punter is absolutey worthwhile, especially if the conditions are similar to the Mcmanus trade last year. Go look at what the ST unit did for the Eagles last year.
the giants also saved a decent amount of money against the cap, so what, if anything, will they do with it? I guess they call roll it over to next season, but I have a feeling (wishful thinking perhaps?) they'll try and get an upgrade somewhere.
Of course ST's are a huge part of the game. LT and Harry used to play ST's in the 80's. But the game has changed because of limited assets. The best teams build excellent ST's on the cheap. The Giants are paying way too much.
Of course ST's are a huge part of the game. LT and Harry used to play ST's in the 80's. But the game has changed because of limited assets. The best teams build excellent ST's on the cheap. The Giants are paying way too much.
The best teams build excellent special teams with the best players suited to do their role..........
And furthermore, the Giants from what I am reading are saving cap room with this move.
another organization fail, let's revisit the Matt Dodge/Feagles thing...Kind of late to be figuring out the replacement for Weatherford.....Does this team ever learn from their mistakes? Apparently not.
Don't discount the message that this sent to the team.
By all accounts Weatherford was a good teammate and good community guy.
There might be an element of complacency that the staff sees and making this move 9 days before the season starts does send a clear message about "scholarship" players.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe for a second that the Giants don't internally believe that they just got a better punter for a fraction of the salary allocated to the position yesterday, but there could be that added benefit of throwing the smelling salts under the noses of some comfy vets.
According to Reese this guy will become the JPP of punters.
He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
RE: According to Reese this guy will become the JPP of punters.
He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
our special team is still so bad that we had to dump a meh sidelines punter for a meh sideline punter who can hopefully boom they ball away from being returned?
The mighty Quinn rules.
He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
no team, again, NO TEAM, spent a draft pick on this guy. Yes the Cowboys signed him. Good for them. Every time we make a move, can we not bring up the fact that the Giants didn't do something that EVERY other team didn't do as well?
So he's a holder, can run a little, can throw a little, kicks with the left (not sure if that's really an advantage). Looks like a slight upgrade to Weatherford but he's younger and cheaper. Only worried about the rare shanks I guess. Maybe Feagles can teach him directional punting. I'm good with it.
when Dave Jennings was cut, for.......Sean Landeta?
Jennings was fading, and Landeta gave our specials a HUGE boost.
I'm not saying Wing is Landeta, but this is a clear attempt to improve the team. And our specials need that.
If management thinks this improves the team on the field (and financially), I'll play along. But if we want to make a CLEAR attempt to improve special teams,we get rid of Quinn (and for whatever the reason,that ain't happening)!
Heading into the preseason finale, he averaged 49.1 yards per punt, and landed 4 of his 11 punts inside the 20 yard line. These stats are actually very good. He has shown improvement from last year with the Steelers and I'm sure this is what the Giants were really looking at.
What's not to like: he's young, cheap and has shown great potential.
My concern is his further development under Quinn!!!! I think the Giants should bring in Feags as an advisor for this kid.
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
This appears to be a money move in addition to concern about
1) If Wing is any good, what motivates a good team like the Steelers to ditch a promising 24 year old kicker for a rookie free agent with no experience?
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
I really hate defending Quinn, but it is my understanding that coaching kickers is what he excels at. It durn sure isn't scheming or drawing up coverages/blocking schemes. I am totally anti Quinn, but I acknowledge the improvements he has made to kickers livelihood.
maybe Nassib becomes the holder. Is it better to have a QB as the holder? I know the rationale in using the punter was that the punter is used to catching a long snap.
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
I also wouldnt care if he just partied in the off season. But there are plenty of guys who struggle to keep it just in the off season. See Johnny Manziel, josh Gordon etc. There are other red flags like failed drug tests, suspensions and an arrest for an assault. He was basically told by LSU coaches not to return. These were all in college and i hope he matured, but I maintain that it is perfectly reasonable to be concerned about our punting game.
I like the trade, just nervous about how he performs and how he handles himsef in the NY area. I imagine TC and Reese are as well but feel he has a handle on it and they can keep him in line. For every Gordon there are guys who overcame issues and had successful careers.
1) If Wing is any good, what motivates a good team like the Steelers to ditch a promising 24 year old kicker for a rookie free agent with no experience?
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
Compete with Suisham? Suisham is hurt. Scobee was brought in to fill the void.
Panthers vs Steelers game 4 preseason and he just boomed a 57 yard kick to the sideline. The returners muffed the kick too. Looked good to me. I suppose consistency was his issue.
maybe Nassib becomes the holder. Is it better to have a QB as the holder? I know the rationale in using the punter was that the punter is used to catching a long snap.
It has more to do with practice time. The backup QB is busy running the scout team offense and learning the gameplan in case he needs to step in. The Punter, on the other hand, has plenty of free time to drill the FG process with the LS and PK.
Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Not saying its fullproof but taking a report of him liking to party as gospel is just strange. We don't have more info on him than the Giants do...
Did you read the article? Its not just about partying. There were reports of multiple failed drug tests. They say he has a big personality that typically doesnt go over well in locker rooms. He wasnt welcome back at LSU with two years left to play.
Of course TC and Reese have this info, but punting is very important and it makes me nervous that we traded for a guy like this who doesnt sound like the most reliable.
Im not killing the trade, but the fact that our punting situation is not locked down right now makes me nervous.
Also, coaches bring in guys with character issues that dont work out on almost every team. The fact that they hope it will work out doesnt make me less nervous. They hoped Will Hill would work out and it didn't. I think being nervous about our punting situation is pretty reasonable at this moment.
I hope it is a conditional trade and they at least have 10 days to decide to keep or replace.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
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Not so concerned with the draft pick. Id gladly give up a 7th for a young starting punter. I am more concerned with the player we traded for and his off the field issues. The article posted earlier in this thread said "watch out if he goes to NY, he loves to party." Also claims that he wasnt welcome back at LSU. You know how bad one must be to not be welcome back to LSU? This makes me nervous. Link - ( New Window )
Did you notice who else was listed in that article? Things can be turned around.
Sure did. Josh Brown. i hope this kid takes a similar path. brown seems to be well liked by the team.
I didnt say I hate the trade. I said his off the field issues make me nervous and concerned about our punting situation. I hope he is a great guy with a long career, but at this point I am concerned about it.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
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i have no desire to read the article. Getting our punter in line to not fail a drug test is the least of what "worries" me about this team.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
Probably because they're going into the regular season with almost a complete unknown at Punter.
yeah I get that. but the majority of this thread isn't about having a new punter. its about what we gave up for him and his bad wrap, apparently, off the field.
This can be a good trade with very little risk. Not sure what all the fuss is about.
I dont really think saying Im nervous about an unknown punting situation is really making a fuss. The trade is pretty low risk and doesnt bother me. But I am nervous about the guy we brought in being reliable. Punting is very important and having an unlnown situation concerns me. I think thats pretty reasonable.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Remember when Weatherford first replaced Dodge? It was a breath of fresh air. But Weatherford is not the same player in 2015.
The Giants aren't there yet. Anything that points to improving the team and making it better......i'm all for it.
As far as his troubles are concerned, I'm sure the Giants have done their due diligence. After Will Hill, and the emphasis in the NFL on domestic violence, they want to be sure there won't be any problems. And it does appear as if he has matured. There have apparently been no problems while he was at Pittsburgh.
What's more troubling is the occasional shank, his possible problems with directional punting, and sometimes out kicking his coverage. But the Giants must think he can overcome these problems, and somebody compared him to Janikowski. He is also only 24, so if he works out, we have solved this problem for years.
Wing not Wind.
This drasticaly underestimates the importance of special teams. You need special teams players. It is not a negative to invest limited resources into the unit, considering how putrid it has been. A 7th round pick for a punter is absolutey worthwhile, especially if the conditions are similar to the Mcmanus trade last year. Go look at what the ST unit did for the Eagles last year.
Jennings was fading, and Landeta gave our specials a HUGE boost.
I'm not saying Wing is Landeta, but this is a clear attempt to improve the team. And our specials need that.
The best teams build excellent special teams with the best players suited to do their role..........
And furthermore, the Giants from what I am reading are saving cap room with this move.
What is not to like????
By all accounts Weatherford was a good teammate and good community guy.
There might be an element of complacency that the staff sees and making this move 9 days before the season starts does send a clear message about "scholarship" players.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe for a second that the Giants don't internally believe that they just got a better punter for a fraction of the salary allocated to the position yesterday, but there could be that added benefit of throwing the smelling salts under the noses of some comfy vets.
Just go away.
The mighty Quinn rules.
Yeah because our 7th round draft picks have performed real well for us. Get a clue buddy.
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He has unbelievable measurable, an undaunted upside with a tremendous amount of dog in him. Now of course we could have used the 7th pick for the Next La'el Collins but know here he goes wasting it away again.
Just go away.
When you go I'll go. So there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT_TGuoLdmk
Botched extra point snap that he converted for 2, with a pass. Crappy quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPyJDfq7xKY
So he's a holder, can run a little, can throw a little, kicks with the left (not sure if that's really an advantage). Looks like a slight upgrade to Weatherford but he's younger and cheaper. Only worried about the rare shanks I guess. Maybe Feagles can teach him directional punting. I'm good with it.
Jennings was fading, and Landeta gave our specials a HUGE boost.
I'm not saying Wing is Landeta, but this is a clear attempt to improve the team. And our specials need that.
If management thinks this improves the team on the field (and financially), I'll play along. But if we want to make a CLEAR attempt to improve special teams,we get rid of Quinn (and for whatever the reason,that ain't happening)!
What's not to like: he's young, cheap and has shown great potential.
My concern is his further development under Quinn!!!! I think the Giants should bring in Feags as an advisor for this kid.
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
I really hate defending Quinn, but it is my understanding that coaching kickers is what he excels at. It durn sure isn't scheming or drawing up coverages/blocking schemes. I am totally anti Quinn, but I acknowledge the improvements he has made to kickers livelihood.
http://www.steelers.com/news/transactions/article-1/Steelers-trade-punter-Brad-Wing/a1ed3d23-f820-4038-8410-8e20b22399f6
Assault, rape, kill, steal, vandalize and doesnt become an adict or anything who cares. i think a lot of guys did similar shit that we just don't know about. and hey he has 10 fingers.
I also wouldnt care if he just partied in the off season. But there are plenty of guys who struggle to keep it just in the off season. See Johnny Manziel, josh Gordon etc. There are other red flags like failed drug tests, suspensions and an arrest for an assault. He was basically told by LSU coaches not to return. These were all in college and i hope he matured, but I maintain that it is perfectly reasonable to be concerned about our punting game.
I like the trade, just nervous about how he performs and how he handles himsef in the NY area. I imagine TC and Reese are as well but feel he has a handle on it and they can keep him in line. For every Gordon there are guys who overcame issues and had successful careers.
2) Bringing in a guy who "loves to party" and also hangs out a lot with Beckham doesn't strike me as a good thing...for either Wing or Beckham;
3) In one year, Wing developed a reputation as a shitty holder which may have contributed to Steelers decision to bring in Josh Scobee from Jags to compete with kicker Shaun Suisham;
4) Last year against Bucs, Wing shanked a 29 yarder from deep in Steeler territory in 4th quarter that may have cost Pittsburgh the game.
But I guess with a sharp ST guy like Tom Quinn coaching him up, sky is the limit (yeesh)
Compete with Suisham? Suisham is hurt. Scobee was brought in to fill the void.
It has more to do with practice time. The backup QB is busy running the scout team offense and learning the gameplan in case he needs to step in. The Punter, on the other hand, has plenty of free time to drill the FG process with the LS and PK.